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gs coverage if in one of the top 5 groups, full stop. wins in every relevant category except pay, which means nothing at analyst level
The only reason to pick GS here would be the brand name outside of Finance, even that is a stretch. Top groups at EBs are still pretty well respected outside the industry fwiw. Would 100% go pick any of the EBs for the training/development + insane exits especially at rssg and evr rx/m&a. Kind of insane that you have shots at all these places, congrats and good luck on the processes
all the reasons you mentioned are selection bias. Top kids at gs get the best quality reps and high levels of senior exposure. The average EB kid is just more talented and hardworking than the average bb kid, which causes what you’re talking about
Not sure why you think EB kids dont get high quality rep or senior exposure. Senior exposure especially pretty wild to say that GS analysts get better senior exposure than EB analysts
People who tell you take EB over Goldman are the same copium addicts at Wharton who say they have a better finance learning experience than Harvard kids. People only said EVR>GS cause EBs recruited earlier so it helped them sleep better at night. Now that timelines are the same, everyone in their right mind is going to GS
Interesting because you will never see ppl go to GS from these EBs SA to FT, whereas its quite common the other way around.....
As someone heading to one of the EBs, there is literally 0 benefit of lateraling to top BBs other than getting brand recognition. Hours are equally as fucked but pay is lower. Generally, students heading to EBs in my experience have been very set on working in finance and are more knowledgeable of what they are getting themselves into than students heading to BBs, so I think there is lower chance of them changing their decision (not that students heading to BBs are inferior). Also, from my observation, students with EB offers generally had one or a few more BB offers, whereas students with BB offers generally only had BB offers, so the latter maybe wanted to experience an EB if offered the opportunity.
for what its worth my MF usually hires EVR/MOE/LAZ for mandates now. better advisory capabilities and all of the great bankers from GS have been poached. Would only go GS if TMT/FIG or if you want to maximize chances of the white shoe firms like H&F
The “issue” with this comment as a data point for anyone reading is that you don’t go to a BB for large-cap lbo reps. If you want tons of good UMM LBO reps, you’re obviously going to choose to be a moelis nyc analyst above anywhere else, but you’ll get that experience in PE anyways, and it’s extremely commodified despite still getting you paid well for quite a while. You go to a BB because they get the more complex mandates that are cross-border and/or require global expertise/reach. Yes, paul taubman is an amazing M&C banker with deep expertise across his own sector and others, but pjt doesn’t have the global reach and scale of a JPM or GS despite having more rainmakers and less bloat. And general pros of EBs (minus pay and maybe exits outside top 3 BBs) can also be attained on an individual basis at any BB. The reality is there’s a reason small banks exist and don’t take all the m&a mandates from the big banks, and there’s a reason big banks exist and don’t cannibalize the small ones.
Would you elaborate on what you mean by more complex mandates limited to BBs that cannot be experienced at EBs?
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