Group Size
How many employees are in your IBD group and how does the group size affect staffings, rankings, work flow ?
Thanks!
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There are 6 analyst in my coverage group. At my bank there are groups with more and less. Some as small as 2 analyst per class. M&A and LevFin are like 12+ analyst per class I think as much as like 15-20. Per the next question not sure, I picked my group because I loved the industry and people, but also because it’s smaller. There is a ton of responsibility on each analyst and you basically will never get staffed with another analyst on a deal team. So there are analyst with a ton of good tangible deal experience in year one which goes a long way concerning recruitment.
Those are good points. Are you an incoming SA or Analayst?
Incoming SA. I’ve spoken with everyone in the group several times and I’m relaying what they said, tho I will say other groups aren’t nessessarily like this. Also 6 analyst per class isn’t really that small for my industry, that’s roughly 12 analyst, several associates, and hand full of VPs and several MDs
What happens to group size when a new MD is hired to a group? (Originally Posted: 02/23/2007)
Does anyone know what type of change large/small/other to the demand for analysts within a group happens when they poach an MD from another bank?
For instance, lets say that Bank A hires away industry group MD from bank B. Bank A hasn't finished placing either new summer or FT analysts, will that industry group therefore have a higher demand for analysts and up the # they place into that group?
Is there a general outcome, does it depend a lot on the situation? Any experience/knowledge on the subject would be appreciated, thank you.
rarely matters unless it is a really small group. I know groups that have lost 2-3 MDs in a short time and didn't adjust size of lower classes b/c
1) they were looking to replace MDs 2) junior people are a relatively cheap option to keep around 3) someone still has to service those clients at the senior level, so the work will still be there
I understand the logic for not making classes smaller and thanks for your post, but does that logic work the same for gaining MD's? If no MD's have been lost and a senior relationship banker comes in, wouldn't that be a generator of new business that needs support at a junior level??? Thanks again for the help.
No , one or two new MDs will not affect needs for junior people, usually only group reorgs/resturcturings will change junior needs.
How many people in a "group" (Originally Posted: 10/19/2007)
Of course there is all the talk about which banks have the best healthcare group, which groups are best at each BB etc. but how many people are generally in a group? I realize asking this question shows how little I know to an extent but I couldn't find the answer anywhere. Say for example the TMT group at MS in NY how many total analysts and associates are in it, I'm sure it varies from group to group but I'm trying to get a general idea.
Also, how many are usually hired with each new analyst class in each group?
come on guys, I know there are tons of people that know the answer to my question if you could just take 30 seconds to answer it
i am also interested in knowing this answer. anyone please?
Guys, it really depends on the group. A typical BB group (think Healthcare, FIG, Tech) will have about 15 analysts and probably about 60 professionals total. It really depends though, as I know smaller BB groups with 15 or so MD's but only 5 analysts. On the product side, BB M&A usually is a sweatshop with 20 or so analysts and close to 100 bankers. Hard to get answers for such broad questions.
And once you move away from IBD (S&T, Cap marklets), it's even more variable. Some groups have 40 people and some have 5...
thanks for the reply guys, that's all I wanted to know
How many on a specific desk (Originally Posted: 06/22/2014)
Hi guys
I was wondering how many traders there are at an FX options desk, at a BB, either in London or NYC. 10-20? Just ballpark.
Thanks
A BB will probably have ~20 traders tops in their whole FX trading group(excluding EM) at one office. Probably around 5 or 6 in options.
And thats including analysts/associates
That's not too many at all.. so it's possible there wouldn't even be an opening there? Or there is no such thing as an opening, they will recruit the right people for a spot anyway?
It depends, that desk may miss out on an analyst on a particular year and recruit the year after.
If you mean opening as in for an analyst spot, then yea, its possible and probable that they do not hire every year. If you mean opening as in a VP or above spot, then they would either promote the associate or find someone from the outside if there is no associate or if they dont think said associate is ready.
I've noticed FX options tends to be small. You could run a desk with two guys for G10 vanilla options, one guy for first generation exotics, and one guy for exotics. Maybe throw in an analyst to help out the other four.
When I was at BNP, there were 20
So I guess finance is really a small world. I'm wondering if this would worth reaching out to these guys at such small groups (FX options at a BB) or should I not bother? This would be for London if it makes any difference.
What a lot of people dont realize about trading desks is that it doesnt work the same way as IBD, where there is a constant conveyor belt of people coming and going ,especially at the junior level. Most desks will not be hiring a grad every year unless a junior person leaves that desk, you tend to get a grad, then have him for 2-3 years as the "junior" and then hire another one. Of course depends how specificly you divide up the desks but in general if a junior just joined that desk is very unlikely to hire another one soon.
How many employees at bulge bracket Ibanking divisions (Originally Posted: 12/01/2010)
pretty self explanatory, anyone have any idea how large / how many employees in the IB divisions of goldman, morgan, etc.? i have heard ~2000 or so in coverage + M&A banking (so excluding capital markets) worldwide for each bulge bracket, how accurate is that number?
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