Lazard Middle Market vs. UBS
Could someone please weigh in on this.....
UBS is an NYC offer Lazard MIddle Market is a non NYC location
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lazard for sure
Ubs
UBS. This is not Lazard Lazard, it's lazard middle market.
UBS and agree with above. Lazard MM is not Lazard. Particularly since your location is not NYC, this decisions should be fairly easy.
Absolutely absolutely absolutely UBS, this should not even be a question. Lazard MM is a solid firm but they are true middle-market players, and they are quite separate from the main Lazard. Even if it was LMM NY vs. UBS NY it would be a complete, absolute, hands-down no-brainer: UBS by a million miles.
Yes but 90% of Lazard MM is sell side M&A and about half of that is PE portfolio divestitures. Wouldn't this result in better exit ops into PE?
If you want to work for a $1 billion fund (which many people do) I can possibly see a case for Lazard MM, and even then it is pretty much a toss up. If you want to go to a megafund, top 50 PE fund, or even top 100 PE fund, UBS is FAR ahead. Check out the top 50 websites - you'll see a decent amount of UBS (and Lazard) guys, but almost never, if ever, a Lazard MM guy
Thats because Lazard MM was formed in 2007 you ignoramous. Yes Lazard is better but Lazard MM is a strong brand too. That said, I'd take UBS in this situation.
Are these SA or FT offers?
What are your personal thoughts on the non-NY region?
Unless there are other reasons (family, finances, etc.) keeping you from working in NY, that could be dealt with easier in the other geographic location, definitely UBS.
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IBQuestion I understand where you are coming from, but what he's looking for as an analyst is very different from what you are looking for as an associate. If he wants to go into PE, it's UBS no question without a doubt. You'll see tons of UBS kids at top PE firms, but never a Lazard middle market. If he wants to stay in banking (which he doesn't seem to), it's more culture/group dependent. It has nothing to do with bulge bracket or not - if he had an offer at the main Lazard/Evercore/Blackstone we would tell him to take that
UBS why are we even discussing this, totally different from Lazard MM, if you can work for a BB hell take it.
UBS. you'd have a better lifestyle at lazard mm for sure. but UBS is the clear choice here
What are the FT conversion rates for UBS vs. LMM? That might be one thing to consider but even then...
Its times like this I think the forum screwed up some moneky's decision.
UBS is still a BB. Lazard MM is not even a top tier MM.
UBS.
UBS>LAZMM
I'm guessing the Lazard MM position is in DC. Not that it matters, though. Take UBS for sure. UBS has a shit rep around here and it's completely unwarranted...
they lost all their groups such as entire region LA, lost tech guys, lost healthcare, lost energy, lost consumer guys.
Agreed, but I still would choose UBS solely based on prestige and exit ops. LAZMM has a weaker name and much smaller network. Disclaimer: I do not work at UBS.
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