Net worth of $1mm by 30?
Salary: starting in June (BB coverage IB) 110k base. Bonus pool not sure yet. Question and background. My goal is to get close to $1mil net worth by 30. As of right now I have $3,000 in student loan which is not a lot (scholarships). I do not drink so will not spend money on going out, I sometimes will treat my self/family to nice dinner. Biggest expense I can see are maybe going to nba games/watches/eating healthy(gym). I plan to live with my parents until I get married (context: as per my previous post, my family and I come from low income background therefore by living with them I can help them financially as needed). The rent will be around 2k a month. Going past the background, what do you guys suggest I should do to with money I earn to achieve that goal, assuming that I will stay in high finance. The reason I ask is because no one in my family are financially and economically sound, so pretty much going to have to figure out savings etc through trail and error. Also will reside in NYC.
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What are your thoughts on buying rental property when you’re not sure you’re staying in your city / state long term?
Did banking in NY, but bought rentals in my hometown (in Texas). Worked perfectly fine, but important to note that you need to budget for the cost to have someone manage those properties for you, which is roughly 10% of annual rent.
Does this still work if you're buying real estate at the peak of a housing bubble and with the highest interest rates in 15 years?
I mean timing won't ever be perfect but yea it makes sense to wait for some sort of a major move down. Assumed that went without saying…
If you can ensure that people will rent out the office, buying out office rental space in my suburban county can be super lucrative.
At least in my local area, a lot of these deals are done discretely with HNW / investors and rarely hits the public market for being on sale. The possible returns on these deals can be like 5x if not more.
I remember doing the math on this when I interned because my associate told me that if you invest your entire bonus every year, then you'll never need to worry about budgeting throughout the year. When I did the math I got a number in the $900k ballpark for net worth at 30, but I was also doing that math before the recent comp increases so I'm sure that you're pulling much closer to that million if you were to redo the math.
I recommend that you just go ahead and do the math yourself. Pull up the recent liquidity comp report, get a decent idea for comp/bonuses every year and just put together a quick forecast and see how stuff compounds + how your annual contributions grow.
invest bonus into what? are you just doing the S&P 500?
Yeah any market benchmark, most people do S&P but I know others that prefer throwing the money into a total stock market index.
S&P was almost down 20% last year. I am not quite getting how the math works here lol
He said he did the math before the recent comp increases. Back then, stock prices only went up.
This is like the most basic part of retirement strategy. Forget about the comp increases, it's a well know tenet of finance that over the long term the S&P and the stock market will grow as the economy grows and companies become more/less valuable. In the last 30 years you have an average SPY return of 9% and yes you'll have good years and you'll have bad years but in the long run it all evens out. My personal portfolio that I funded with my bonus check in 2019 is sitting at like a 30% return and that's even with the major drops in 2020 and inflation stuff more recently.
Holy shit cannot believe you had to write this out on a finance forum. Starting to think this website kinda sucks
These things can't be taken for granted. S&P growing in the past doesn't mean it will in the future. For example Japan was viewed as the best market in the world for a time but followed it up with stagnant returns for 40 years. And Japanification is hitting all developed economies.
You try too hard
I give it my all. You can hate on it all you want, but I am leaving my giant gabagool shaped imprint on this earth.
Max out 401k.
Max out Roth IRA.
Max out HSA.
Invest everything you can into vanguard low cost mutual funds.
Occasional nice dinners and nba games is fine, but eschew things like watches.
Live at home for as long as you can, so you can get free room and board.
For dates, so free activities like museum or Central Park vs fancy speak easies or restaurants.
I think all the advice you are getting about buying real estate is terrible and typically people who don’t actually own real estate always give this blanket advice. Nyc prices are high, renters have lots of protections and as a young banker you have zero free time to watch over things and will have to hire a broker. Low cost mutual funds are the way to go for you right now. Beware of heeding advice from people your own age or younger than you.
Appreciate this!
I don't get why everyone suggests invest in mutual funds/index funds. Stonks only go up I guess
How did you get into PE?
have you looked at a chart of any stock market index over the long term?
Over the long run, they do. And it’s very hard to pick the top 10 stocks, so funds help diversify. Short term, the stock market is a voting machine and long term, it’s a weighing machine.
Plus when you passively invest, you don’t have to put any time or effort into it. That’s what I love best. Set it and forget it.
The only drawback is that you won’t get rich quick. But since we all make so much and tend to have successful parents, we tend to care more about capital preservation and growth, as opposed to hitting home runs.
Nothing wrong with real estate, but I’ve had real headaches with renters, and it’s a miserable experience.
Hard to manage properties as a young banker working long hours.
Just need to buy in landlord friendly states only
Yea, but I prefer to buy apartments near me so I can physically visit them if needed.
I’m very wary of buying in other states in case there is some type of renter drama or the guy managing my apartment suddenly flakes.
I feel like even in land lord friendly areas, the whole eviction process is winding, drama filled and mentally taxing.
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I wouldn't buy real estate if you have no clue what you're doing and not even real work experience yet.
An important thing for you in your situation is to set personal boundaries for how helpful you are going to be to you family's financial situation. I think 2k/mo is perfectly reasonable, especially considering that's essentially rent, but don't become too generous where you aren't able to save.
1mil net worth by 30 shouldn't be too hard -- a big chunk of that will be earned just from those 8 years of bonuses.
Yea I’m still trying to figure out the boundaries, as I’m sure my parents will be asking me more money,
Literally just invest your bonus and live below your means with your salary. Budget according to this: (1) Save the same $ amount automatically every month and plop it into something like VTI or VOO; (2) Pay your monthly bills on auto-pay; (3) Put a fixed amount every month automatically into a "cushion" savings account or CD (aka liquid savings); (4) Spend whatever is left
You will not only have around $1mm guaranteed by age 30, you will be living in such a way to be able to save more each year if you can keep your lifestyle relatively in check. You will still have plenty to eat out, go on trips, etc.
In my experience, trying to make 10% returns is a lot harder than just spending 90 cents on the dollar from what you earn. If you can do both, you're golden. Thank me 10 years from now.
This is huge.
My MD is absolutely loaded because he lived on $150K personal spending per year in his 30s when making $1.5-2.5M per year.
He’s in his 40s now and has total control over his working life as money is not a concern
It's crazy but true that little expenses add up. You can be totally free to go ham with a $5k-10k trip spontaneously if you can save an extra $1k a month on your apartment by having a roommate, for example. $5 a day is over $1,500 a year. The idea is just to be mindful about what you spend money on, not to be a complete miser. Just make sure what you buy is truly worth it: your life and your labor.
$150k cash spending including or excluding housing expenses?
Damnnn, 1-5-2.5M in his 30s!?
Great advice that saving 10% is easier than earning 10%. Love it!
Your spending, within a band, won't matter - spending an extra 10k per year won't have a huge impact. What does matter at your stage - investing and growing your income. At 26, you can have a job that pays 225k, 400k, or higher. That's what will have a huge impact in your ability to get to 1m
Actually it isn’t that hard to amass a net worth of 1M in a high paying field (tech/finance). The tough part is wondering if it’s worth it. The truth is, in this day and age 1M is really not that much anymore. It’s more of a “pat on the back” moment when you reach that number, but nothing life changing.
Is it really worth it to not enjoy your 20s to the fullest just to reach this arbitrary number? What’s the difference between reaching 1M net worth at 30 vs 40??
And I say this as someone who’s firmly on track to reach 1M NW by 30, and living well below my means. But it’s always good to reevaluate your goals and think about if the sacrifice is really worth it. And before someone mentions it, yes, I understand that if you play your cards right you can be earning enough in your 20s so that you can hit 1M NW by 30 but also enjoy yourself, but this applies to so few people it’s not really worth considering.
It's a really good point in terms of putting enjoyment and fulfillment first, but I would caution that more spending does not guarantee more fulfillment for people in their 20's. A lot of regret in your 30's comes from not living your life in your 20's purposefully: setting and achieving goals, exercising, eating healthy, going on trips, building strong friendships and relationships, and other things that require planning instead of spontaneity. Most people don't regret not spending more at the club or buying a more expensive car.
There is a humongous difference between $1mm at 30 vs. 40 years old if you're planning to get married and start a family at some point.
OP here and I understand where you are coming and yes I do agree, however I come from nothing, and the reason my goal is 1mm by 30 is so I can ensure that I am able to support my current family somewhat and my future family without the any financial trouble. I don't have any financial backup, in a sense if something goes wrong I can't go to my parents, so I would like to do things to set myself up, and that journey will require trial and error as well. I believe my current actions will determine how my future is atleast financially. I do spend as needed, I always wanted Jordan’s since a child and finally brought myself some pairs after the summer so things like that
I used to think like this but as I got older - your values will change. Life moves fast and before you know it you’ll want that bigger apartment, you’ll need to buy that engagement ring, you’ll want to go on that big trip. And you know what, do it - life is too short to worry about an arbitrary number. If you save majority of your bonus and max out your 401-k you’ll be okay regardless
I understand I guess let’s see where things go
Watches aren’t expenses, they are investments. At least that’s what I tell myself.
True, learned recently that certain watches appreciate in value at rates that match or exceed the typical market return
Do more research, that is a very recent trend (last 5 years phenomenon). Watches ARE NOT investments and tend to drop in value.
This is like calling Chanel handbags investments...
Great if you want to sell it and can sell it for more, but that really isn't the point of it is it
if you like watches go for it bc even if these highly-sought after watches depreciate, they depreciate only a little compared to other luxury assets. Also, always a great gift to leave to your children/grandchildren.
I would check out the Millionaire Next Door. I think it helps put into finance money into perspective.
It's really easy. Spend 75% of base, save 100% of bonus, put it into VOO, and leave it alone
What’s VOO
Vanguard 500 Index Fund ETF
VOOdoo magic
Let’s say if I put 50k in VOO what are the odds that I will lose it all
If VOO ever goes to 0 you'll have bigger worries than just the 50k that you lost.
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So I love this question because not enough people in their 20's are asking this. To me, the TL;DR version is threefold:
With enough discipline and focus, this goal (https://www.financialsamurai.com/top-one-percent-net-worth-amounts-by-age/) is definitely possible. It won't be easy, especially in a field like finance where its more common to be on the "hedonic treadmill" but the fact that you're even asking this question shows you have the right mindset if you're serious about it. Good luck
Really appreciate this, I or no one in my family have prior investing experience besides me buying random stuff on robin hood. Soo will read the articles and do research before pursuing investments in the future
Depends if another Biden takes office when you’re 27. Sets you back a bit, used to be a lock but now looks like I won’t hit it before 30. Fortunate to be in position in any event but was a “fun” goal to think about.
The market is higher than where it was when Biden was elected/took office
Yeah - I’m saying I was expecting more than a ~3% annualized return in the market (well below average over history and below inflation). Not growing well under this admin.
80 hours a week for 8 years post undergrad to save a million. What a joke... fuck asset inflation and the fed.
Yes, it is possible to have a net worth of $1 million by the age of 30. However, it will require a lot of hard work and dedication to reach this goal. You will need to save and invest wisely over the years, as well as take advantage of any money-making opportunities that come your way. Additionally, it is important to live within your means and avoid taking on too much debt. With the right strategies, it is possible to reach this goal in a relatively short period of time.
bro did you use chatgpt
London PE associate checking in. Currently on track to hit US$1m net worth by 65 if I'm lucky. Might take a bit longer if the £ keeps dropping.
Put 100k on BTC, and hope 1 BTC hits $160k within the next 10 years.
It’s possible with the right mindset, strong discipline and fortune of circumstance (full disclosure: I’ve been in the industry for roughly a decade so am a bull market baby along with most of the friends and colleagues I’ve observed do this). The trick is to find the sweet spot on the spectrum between a scarcity mindset and conspicuous consumption. There’s nothing earth shattering in the below, but I’ve seen this formula work.
DO:
— Save a large portion of your bonus (80-90% of the post-tax value), but absolutely reward yourself for your efforts; spending 10-20% won’t make or break your objective but may help it all “make sense” along the journey
— Try and save 20-25% of the post-tax base to pad your savings and instill a mentality in the event that you decide to switch to a more standard role
— Minimize high value, recurring expenditures (e.g., rent / mortgage on a place that’s at or above your budget, car note on a vehicle you’ll only drive a dozen times a year, a summer home “split with the buddies” you won’t have much time to visit early in your career, bottle service when you’re not celebrating anything, etc.)
— Invest for the long-term: slow, steady and vanilla (you’ll be surprised how well this works over 5,7,10 years); ETFs, robos are some simple ways to start; it’ll evolve to fit changing needs but good to get your money working for you early
— Advocate for yourself and jump at opportunities for material comp changes (demonstrate professionalism and reliability in your approach and the dollars will follow); always avoid leaving money on the table, if lateraling try and get the buy out
— Take care of yourself as best you can (physical and mental) even though this can be a constant challenge; money isn’t as useful if you’re a wreck once you get it
DON’T
— Try and keep up with the joneses (big spenders may have different goals / tastes than you or come from a background that affords this); the worst kept secret is that a high percentage of finance professionals come from very upper middle class or wealthy backgrounds — trying to make a million before 30 might not be on their bingo board
— Swing for the fences with investments; most people are not advantaged to play their hand at the markets / real estate / crypto like this; generally high beta and net worth limiting behavior (there are incredible success stories but they’re the outer end of the distribution curve)
— Count other people’s pockets; comparison is the complete thief of joy
— Beat yourself up if you don’t reach your goal at the exact point you envision, life happens! But you’ll be well on your way there in no time so no biggie
Best of luck OP!
Appreacite it!
What do you think the average newly minted MDs net worth is?
How old are you? 30 and $5m is different from 35 and $5mm
35 this year
I would personally engage a wealth management advisor. Even though there are probably a lot of smart people on this site, there likely are an equal amount of those that aren't so much. So I wouldn't go on the internet to get advice on your money. Go to someone who will have a fiduciary responsibility. Good luck, I am sure you will make your parents proud!
Been in banking since AN1 ($85k base in 2015, at the time my bank was paying bonuses low side of street). I made it to $1mm in net worth 6 years in, the summer I was 28. The biggest bonus I had gotten up to that point was only $112k. Lived in NYC. $1m is attainable for anyone starting from undergrad with the pay scale today.
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