Reality of UBS Tech
I have been shown the UBS Tech threads by others and wanted to hop in here to share my thoughts. I am not currently in the group, and don't want to give too much info but left recent enough to know a lot of people still there.
Before anything, I think people on this forum should understand the history of the tech group. Before 2021 or so, it was a top group at UBS. However, all the rainmakers left and the group became a group with no flow but great culture/WLB. Then in 2023, the merger happened and subsequently a ton of Barclays MDs came in. The groups culture became worse, although nowhere near as bad as some other UBS teams like LevFin. The other issue became that the Barclays seniors brought in Barclays juniors and mid-level who got staffed on anything live, and UBS folks only got staffed on things with the former UBS seniors (who again have no flow). Furthermore, from my understanding a lot of the ex-UBS/CS people got laid off and/or low bonus comparatively to their Barclays peers. With that being said, I think it's pretty clear why we are seeing the level of backlash against the tech group.
With all that being, overall UBS tech has relatively chill hours to UBS standards. Deal flow remains lacking, and even the Barclays people aren't exactly working on that much live things. Afaik, some verticals like internet have zero flow and others in the software have some. To be very clear by flow, I do mean mostly LevFin things, and afaik UBS really isn't winning any leads on deals except Sponsors/LevFin things. Afaik Ik the assertion that UBS is a pitching machine in sell-side M&A with no wins is also true with the caveat that they do sometimes get buyside M&A creds/mandates.
Ultimately: are there better tech seats? Yes. Are there are better seats within the bank? Yes. Is tech a group with a lot of flow relative to other UBS coverage groups? No. Is the tech culture hell on earth? No. Are there exit opportunities? Yes. Are you going to end up leaving to MF/UMM PE? No. Is your deal experience ideal for PE recruiting? No. Can you get a PE job out of the group? Yes. Ultimately you get outreach and interviews UMM/MM firms and it's up to you convert it. You have to speak about whatever experience you have and frame it as best ad you can. People have and will continue to exit from the UBS TMT groups, where to and if you have success in doing so is going to depend on your actual interview ability and other factors like school, GPA, and connections.
Edit: the downvotes is really not helping the WSO allegations of an anti UBS death cult.
Edit 2: Seems like UMM exits are possible as per commenters here, some non-diversity person from NYC exited to FP this year. Other mentioned exits for last year include FTV and AKKR. Still will maintain that that was an outlier and that the expected outcome is MM exits. I will once again note that UBS Tech pre-2021 or so, exited much stronger, but acknowledge exits are perhaps better than I previously thought.
I cannot comment to the rest of this as not at UBS, but have seen UBS on some software things especially in LevFin with even some as the lead. Don't think I have seen them on any internet things.
This post reads like someone who's had a positive experience (relatively) with UBS Tech given they were able to exit. I feel like truth is probably somewhere in the middle of this and whatever the anti-UBS people who got fired are saying given that it seems like it's both possible for people to exit from UBS tech successfully and also to get fired without being able to find something else.
Good evening
Sounds like barely banking and very questionable exits nowadays. Putting yourself in a tough spot joining the team
Banking is banking. What exactly does a prospect think banking is? Fundamental work is the same everywhere, difference is just how much live deal flow you get vs. not. I think juniors who haven't left to PE overstate differences in banking experience at the junior level. You really are just an excel monkey as an IB analyst and to a large extent as a PE associate (at least at UMM+ or larger firms), think Senior Associate is the first rank you get to do slightly more than just contributing PowerPoint and excel skills.
“Fundamental work is the same everywhere“
No way some places you close deals and learn the deal process some places you just viciously pitch ideas that never turn into anything
There were a couple people that used to be on the team that probably worked 10-20 hours a week while traveling the world. Great WLB and no accountability from 2021 to 2023.
Then CS failed, and that screwed everything up once the teams were integrated. Group’s deal flow is no better than before but culture is now at best below average. Will say the low point in culture has at least past as the most toxic people (MDs and VPs) are now gone.
Correct me if I am wrong: but isn't the one internet MD that's really terrible still there? I disagree on the overall flow point; it's gone up technically simply because UBS LevFin has gotten better. I see UBS lead more leads on the PE side now. Agree that M&A flow seems dead though outside of sponsors buy-side stuff (not tech sourced; solely because UBS has become stronger in sponsors coverage since merger).
On the culture front, idk man, I still don't think it's that bad compared to stories I have heard from other banks. UBS Tech hours still seem relatively chill to other banks from what I heard and the hours for my friends in UBS Tech certainly seem way better than those of people I know still in the product groups like LevFin or M&A.
Lastly just want to say: what's the point of all these downvotes? Listen I understand that UBS tech has gotten worse and I agree with you guys for the most part, but also trying to be unbiased here. It sucks tor the ex-UBS people to have an absolutely elite culture group become an average culture group, but UBS Tech is not hell on earth. I have friends and colleagues who were at groups that would make UBS Tech in 2025 feel like paradise.
Nope, left a couple years ago
How do you stay motivated working a lot of hours knowing nothing you are working on will close?
I think this is a question like 90% of people in tech buyside and sell-side is asking tbh. Am on the buyside and feel like everything we bid on isn't going to close, even after "winning" bids there's always something that comes up. UBS tech only having buyside M&A and LevFin stuff, from what I've heard, certainly isn't going to help your case because sell-sides have way higher close rates. Also heard UBS hired bunch of ECM Tech people and I am sure that also isn't helping close rates given tech firms are staying private for longer and longer.
I will say man, buyside isn't that much better, especially in the tech universe. Hindsight is 20/20 though. There's still some great culture people at UBS Tech. It's not the end of the world working there, and I have confidence you can frame your story to get a PE job. I know it's super discouraging to get turned down especially after multiple interviews, but you just need 1 acceptance. There are so many MM/UMM firms that will give you an interview, just gotta nail your story and be able to talk intelligently about whatever deals you have had (little tip: you can talk about dead deals or ongoing deals as long as you know the detail; what they are looking for is how you think about businesses fundamentally). Good luck!
This thread and all the downvotes on the views of another person in UBS Tech being downvoted is just further proving that this forum is an anti-UBS circlejerk by obsessed people who very likely got fired. Yall should go look for a job, the severance doesn't last forever.
The posts here making the Tech group seem decent to good are a joke - there is a reason they are getting down voted. Yes there is more levfin flow than in 2022 but the loan book was 3x’d. And the group on a headcount basis is 2-3x what it used to be, so on a per capita basis deal flow / revenue is probably actually worse than ever.
At the same time, I do not think UBS Tech is the worst culture group at UBS anymore. Other groups like RELL and M&T have similarly bad deal flow, much worse hours, and higher concentrations a-hole VP, ED and MDs.
TLDR: Only live experience 80-90% of juniors in Tech, M&T, RELL groups will get is levfin (refis mostly) and buy side sponsor m&a (with very little chance of closing)
It didn't read like the OP was making UBS Tech sound decent-good, think the OP was just making it sound like its bad flow wise but not horrible culturally. That's how I read it at least. Honestly was shocked all the anti UBS people downvoted this one because it read like one of yall wrote it.
Not saying it's decent to good, did you fully read my post? I said it has no deal flow except LevFin and buyside sponsor M&A. Also, will note UBS HC is equally flow-wise bad and heard their hours are terrible, and M&A team only does buyside M&A stuff for Sponsor and pitches.
Ultimately, most groups at UBS are not great banking experiences relative to other banks in 2025... there's a reason UBS has fallen out of the top 20 in fees. As you said, culture in tech isn't that bad. Ending up in UBS Tech isn't the end of the world, and still a better spot to be in than having no IB job. It's not equal to hell on Earth as some posters on this forum would have you believe. You are still compensated very well for someone your age out of undergrad, and yes, there are still PE opportunities (and people exiting to PE roles).
Edit: After thinking through things, UBS Tech might be overall a top-half group at UBS. UBS RELL, M&T, FIG, M&A (one of the largest groups in the firm, despite UBS not doing basically any M&A), HC, all are also no flow and also much worse culture and hours. Other groups like ECM, DCM, and PFG just don't exit due to the nature of the industry. Leaves only 4 groups (Sponsors, LevFin, CR, and Industrials) better than UBS Tech for sure, since they all have some flow, even if 2 are mostly credit work.
Edit 2: for class exiting in 2025 from NYC, 3/8 analysts went to UMM's (FP, PSG, and HIG as per one of the many UBS Tech threads); exits are very clearly fine and strong relative to UBS as a whole.
Starts your banking career with a massive handicap
All these threads prove to me is that UBS Tech must have great hours. People are somehow able to respond within minutes of each other throughout the day. I wish I were able to coast by working at UBS Tech. Though I suppose the downside would be worse PE offer, but damn does it suck to have to work long-ass hours for deals that go nowhere.
TMT analysts can’t get good PE offers. Exits are really nonexistent.
People have exited just fine the past few years, know a few analysts who have gone to solid shops as recently as last year. It's gone down from peak days where you can exit into UMM shops, think it's mostly MM PE and some GE shops these days. For what it's worth, UBS Tech is still on my teams list of firms we would interview from/consider. Headhunters and PE firms generally understands people get screwed over in placement and/or might have gotten mislead. In general, PE much more forgiving of bank group compared to bank and school tbh.
As have mentioned a few times one literally just left to FP. Not sure if you are same poster across forums but your post is inaccurate and misinformed. If you have integrity you will update it.
SB this post if you dislike UBS
This chain that OP started seems very similar to what SVP Corp Dev (or one of his accounts) does. Lets start up a chain that is not hate posting but kind of is and highlight that I am balanced and factual which he is some times across other things but seems wrong here. This group just had an analyst leave to a great fund - are you going to update your post so it is factually accurate on this point? Why keep starting with these threads, why do you feel it’s your cross to carry to make the point if you don’t even seem to be in the group? We are all tired in the forum of seeing this be a thread week after week, month after month, why you can’t you let this die especially if you are not current on the group or in the group?
Not a SVP in Corp Dev, for one I don't hate tech and actually don't think it's hell on Earth as that commenter seems to imply. I think people on this forum are making a lot of assumptions on my words and perhaps that is due to my own fault. So let me clarify with even more clarity:
Solid exits means average people exits assuming good school and bank is that of an solid MM firm which represents firms in the 1-4Bn range. This naturally means that outlier outcomes are also common, meaning that UMM outcomes are still within range and so are LMM or even people failing to exit. I will again note that solid is also in reference to current exits still being below historic levels, where UBS Tech had a strong history of UMM/MF exits and was in fact the strongest group in the bank. Maybe I have high expectations, but wouldn't consider the current exits good comparatively.
Like I said in a previous comment, UBS Tech is NOT a terrible place to start your career contrary to popular WSO opinion (peddled by that same SVP in Corp Dev who continuously shat on tech and a few others clearly disgruntled employees). UBS Tech is a great culture place relative to some other UBS groups. However, that is not to say UBS Tech (just like UBS as a whole) isn't struggling on the deal flow front. Exits will remain fine due to aforementioned historic reputation and goodwill.
This is pretty spot on based on what I've heard from a close friend
Have seen solid exits from the group despite the sub-par deal flow.
AKKR, FP, FTV, just to name a few in the past 2 years.
Culture is not that bad tbh. If you are in a pod with the sweaty bootlickers P+T then you're going to get a good bucket but worked to the bone for no exits (though, those people are weirdly happy with that)
If you're in Internet the deal flow is not great especially as one of the two internet MDs left, but your WLB seems much higher.
Then there's some non-aligned analysts that work for some of the more junior people that are really screwed by 0 deal flow, brutal hours, 3 VPs, and a Narc Fintech MD
From what I've heard group has made new hires, and they're not barc.
Seems like not the best, but definitely cultural wise not the worst
Am an incoming SA who really likes tech as an industry, so would love to learn more about the group. Have a few questions:
How's UBS SF?
Just as bad, many looking to leave as soon as bonus hits or they get a lateral offer
Either drop press releases of the largest deals this team has led or shut up
Nobody has said anything about this team having good flow. Are you okay? Everyone here has said the deal flow is subpar, that doesn't mean exits are, nor does that mean culture is. All these things can be true at once. Of note for recent deals, Bain Cap buying Healthedge with UBS representing the seller. Am not affiliated with UBS, but this takes 2 seconds to find this as it's a pretty large sponsor's deal in the HC Software space.
“Evercore and UBS Investment Bank are acting as financial advisors.”
Two guesses on who led 🤔
Dude, stop being salty. This is the OG account of the An 1 SN, it's super obvious by the way you write. Please seek help for this obsession with your former employer. UBS Tech is not that bad; there are way worse groups within UBS itself to be in. Nowhere in UBS really has strong flow in the M&A product. Industrials had a fine 2024, but even that has no real flow in 2025. LevFin has flow sure, but it's LevFin, and shocker, not everyone wants/likes to work in the credit markets! UBS Tech at least has a historic reputation and relatively chill hours. UBS coverage groups like HC, RELL, M&T, etc., all have similar, if not worse flow with worse exits (check LinkedIn exits for those groups vs Tech, Tech exited way better even in the past 2-3 years post the Tech decline starting) and those groups have allegedly even worse culture (as per people at those groups).
Edit: just realized I replied to the wrong guy, meant to reply to Associate 2 in IB - Co O, my bad.
I’m at UBS just in a better group
historic reputation? I’d say prehistoric reputation
While a decline in overall wallet size is understandable given broader market conditions, a contraction in our share of that wallet is more concerning and warrants closer examination.
I appreciate your thorough analysis; it's a great resource for anyone assessing UBS Tech. The group appears to have advantages (WLB, culture), but there are undoubtedly trade-offs in terms of deal flow and exits.
Thanks. Figured I'd finally comment after seeing all the fake news on my former group. I think it's important that fair perspectives are given, since frankly, initial group choice for an IB career plays a huge role in your longer-term development. If you are trying to optimize for a pure live deal experience from UBS, maybe don't go to tech. If looking for relatively chill hours but still solid exits, consider tech. Also btw, even only considering flow + hours, UBS Tech is still better than all UBS groups bar LevFin, Sponsors, CR, and Industrial's (not saying those 4 groups have good WLB, but they at least have some deal flow) because other groups also all have no flow, except the hours are way worse. Heard really negative things about hours (all with similar levels of deal flow) for HC, RELL, FIG, M&A, and M&T.
HC, RELL, FIG, M&A, M&T are all varying degrees of sweatshops for juniors despite not having good deal flow. All of the abuse with none of the upside from deal experience. Bad cultures, bad exits, late nights and weekends wasted working on meaningless pitches.
Fake news, I end up having to work every weekend. I wish I choose differently tbh
WLB: 7/10 (New York only, ex FinTech)
Culture: 4/10
Exits: 3/10 (1/10 if stripping out DEI PE hires)
Deal Flow: 0/10
Overall: 3.5/10 (3.0/10 DEI adjusted)
I looked this up to check if what your seeing is true: turns out the FP dude that just exited is a white male in the NYC office. Exits clearly aren't that skewed to diversity. Your just bad, which probably explains why you got fired.
I think the culture expectation that people have for the group is insane. People expect 30 hour work weeks like it was in 2022-23, that was not sustainable as a business model. The group still works relatively fewer hours (have heard 50-55 on average) than other groups at UBS and other banks of similar level. Strongly disagree about culture as well, some of the most helpful people in banking still works there and from what I've heard from current juniors camaraderie is strong.
Ultimately: UBS Tech is a group with great WLB, solid exits, and not great deal flow.
White males can still be diversity
Thank you, this is super helpful. I am a incoming summer analyst trying to get a better view of the groups. I am just wondering: what is up with the constant mention of the Fintech team being particularly bad? How is the staffing model / can you avoid the fintech MD? Also wondering how the new MD's are from a culture and flow perspective? Would generally like updates on the rankings as well if possible.
what is this thread...."UBS Tech is a group with great WLB, solid exits, and not great deal flow."
not great deal flow?
This group has some of the worst deal flow of any BB group on wall street. Im talking like 12million in total M&A fees from 2022 to present.
Sr VP brining the receipts
The lucky analyst when they get staffed on the only live deal on the team
Cannot confirm those numbers, but seems to imply no M&A, which is what I've stated in various comments on this thread. Not great flow is the nice way of saying it has no flow, similar to how solid means decent, and great is relative to other banking hours. Also, will note that there are other products than M&A, like LevFin, which UBS does a lot of/is good at, and ECM. I remember seeing that UBS is one of the leads of the recently announced upcoming NIQ Global IPO, unsure if that's reflective of overall strength since not in ECM but certainly seems much better of a product than M&A.
We have deals, third seat on an upcoming IPO. We got to watch as JPM worked the S1…
It would be impressive if the number were true, but it isn't. Just because the same alts of one dude circlejerking hating on UBS upvote it doesn't mean this is true. This is not to say that UBS Tech has a lot of M&A flow - it very clearly doesn't, but that number is lower than the amount UBS gets off M&A tips in Tech since 2022.
SVP Corp Dev that’s a very specific number. What group were you / are you in there as this seems current. Did you or someone close to you get fired from this firm or group?
$12 million has to be Fake News.
$12.5 million + is likely more like it.
Why would the below title even start this thread in the first place?
Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
-PE associates will know a lot about each group
-PE associates would not spend their time on this thread
Are we reading the same post? There are things in the post that seem questionable, particularly how the person seems to be at the very least 1-2 years removed from UBS Tech. However, the reasoning was pretty directly stated in the first sentence of the post:
"I have been shown the UBS Tech threads by others and wanted to hop in here to share my thoughts. I am not currently in the group, and don't want to give too much info, but left recent enough to know a lot of people still there." - copy pasting from the top of the post. The reasoning seems pretty believable given how much discourse there is about this group on the forum from people who disagree with this poster's view on at the very least the exit front.
You all collectively sound very toxic and pathetic
UBS Tech is the group that makes me feel like the lack of deal flow at my BB in tech currently is not that bad. We all need things to make you feel yourself feel better. Also, the hatred of UBS by some people on this forum is pretty funny to read tbh. They have some Kendrick level of dedication to hating.
The hatred is justified, it’s really that bad
So much gaslighting in this thread. UBS Tech isnt bad
It’s horrible!
Try calling any other BB group bad and you’ll get a laundry list of closed deals in response. Here? Just angry rants about how “actually good” the group is. 🙄
The group has no flow, that's been repeated ad naseum and I agree, so what's the point of this comment. I would rather have no flow and average exits of MM PE with average of 50-60 hours for vast majority of juniors than no flow and no exits with 70-80 hour work week averages like majority of UBS. This is more of a reflection on UBS not being very good right now, but think that's something that people on this forum seem to not acknowledge.
The point is that the overly positive spin is extremely misleading. Just because one person, who could be diversity, got a solid exit. You don’t know the circumstances surrounding the hiring, and that is the biggest outlier for exits.
Commenting on this here as well for visibility. Ended up looking more into this because of curiosity.
In the last year, there have been solid exits from the group. From a very simple LinkedIn class and knowledge of past recent analyst classes, there are current PE associates who exited last year (when all the complaining about tech NYC started) from Tech/TMT at Clearlake, AKKR, and FTV. If you think these exits are on the weaker side of UBS, you simply aren't aware of how UBS is for exits. I am sure exits this year are similar, as the UBS decline in TMT started many many years ago (to be accurate in 2021); exits haven't reflected worsening quality, and that is super abundant any way you slice things.
The idea of bad exits, especially relative to UBS, is simply false. Just these 3 firms would be elite quartile exits into PE from any of UBS's top groups. Even Industrials, the supposed best group, sends 1-2 kids a year to UMM PE. This is a pretty similar placement with way fewer hours. While looking at UBS exits, I was also shocked that M&A is fine for exits too and that groups like HC, RELL, FIG, and CR basically don't have any exits.
Thanks for making my point: the median exit is a solid MM. Clearly outliers exist like Clearlake, but tbf I know people across the years who failed to exit from TMT even when it was stronger (albiet, usually bottom bucket juniors)
the reason this group exited semi decently is up until a few months ago PE RECRUITING OCCURED BEFORE FULL TIME STARTED
now with most PE firms shifting to recruiting after 1.5 years (by next year all will follow this model mark my words), UBS Tech analysts will be now be judged on their deal flow and expected to talk about their LIVE DEAL EXPERIENCE
gone are the day of securing a PE offer from an LBO test and showing an undergrad resume only. its gonna be ugly for exits if these underperforming groups don't get it together
I appreciate your thorough analysis; it provides useful background on UBS Tech's development and reasonable expectations regarding deal flow and exits.
The people continuously commenting that UBS Tech is the worst thing on earth all type the same way and have way too much time on their hands. This group has to be the single chillest WLB group on the street or these people just got fired and are salty. Something tells me it's the later not the former.
The people continuously commenting that UBS Tech is the best thing on earth all type the same way and have way too much time on their hands. This group has to be the single worst BB group on the street or these people have massive guarantees and are hyping up the group. Something tells me it's the later and the former.
What are the chances they could turn it around in 2-3 yrs? From reading this it seems like no real flow puts long term exits at risk and it’s a risk to join
Exits: UBS Tech has fallen off hard since the 2021 exodus of seniors to SVP/Moelis. Pre-2021, this was the group to be at UBS, cranking out LBOs and sponsor deals, and definitely one if not the top groups at UBS (it was between Tech and LevFin). That reputation created a feedback loop where headhunters and PE firms still viewed the group as a safe bet, and to be fair, exits last year (and from what I’ve heard, this year) are still decent, mostly MM PE, with an occasional UMM/MF outlier (the AKKR and FP exits mentioned on this forum). That’s still better than most UBS groups, many of which have virtually no exits.
But the reality is, the group now has deal flow more comparable to something like HC (read: none), even if exits for now remain seemingly okay. That historic effect will fade; if you’re joining as an analyst now or next summer, you’re fine. Would think differently if FT 2027/2028. Headhunters are slow to adapt, but I doubt it will take more than 5-6 years (so those starting next year, for example, should be relatively fine IMO).
Future: Expect more turnover. UBS has shown they’re willing to torch and rebuild. 2023 was a bloodbath, and based on 2025 hires, they’re doubling down again. The pivot away from ex-Barclays hires signals another reset, likely followed by cuts for anyone aligned with old leadership (read: mid-levels and juniors will feel this in bonuses and staffing, just like last time).
Will the rebuild work? Who knows. The new hires haven’t even started, so anyone claiming to have an answer is lying. But if history repeats, we’ll see another messy reshuffle before UBS Tech stabilizes, if it ever does.
Genuine question for UBS people: is there anything UBS is decent at in America? It can't be LevFin because a bunch of seniors left, can't be Industrials because no M&A in 2025, and their previous global head left, can't be ECM because their only bookrunner roles are usually passive bookrunner on Tech IPO's. Is the entire bank just like tech/dead?
UBS is still a top 5 levfin shop, driven by the same sponsor-backed forte they / CS have always had (this is pretty easily checked on dealogic). ECM is also up and they have had a slate of active bookrunner IPOs (including leading one highly controversial / publicized deal you can easily google). Agree they still don't do M&A, but that isn't anything new
I don’t think they are top 5 lev fin unless you make up a stat like size of deal, type of leverage
Am an incoming SA who really likes tech as an industry, so would love to learn more about the group. Have a few questions:
Generally awful, high stress no mentorship and deals pretty much non existent. I believe a couple years ago there were good exits but not really good exits anymore. I’d stay away from the group until they show they can actually do deals
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