In all seriousness, I've been browsing these forums for a little bit and it seems that a lot of people here are some backward thinking scumbags(the how to cheat on your wife for ex.). Now, does that attitude translate into the work environment at the firms? I've heard of the alpha male presence, but is it worse than that? Also, does it vary by industry?
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I was at a recruiting event and this is what a director said to me: "In banking people are gonna push you down, and when you try to get up they'll step on your neck and then jump up and down. You have to be ready."
I don't know what that means careerwise, but it sounds like a lovely work environment
Well, most of the people in banking were bullied a lot in school, so that's what we're used to. We also learned a bunch of tips and tricks from the kids who savagely beat us every day, so we do it to everyone else just because we are mean hypocritical psychotic capitalists.
Damn they'd really say that at a recruiting event regardless of whether or not it's true?
Let's talk about the toxic cattiness of HR.
was that meant to be ironic or are you serious?
Now boys if you want to play with fire you get burnt.
Typical day at my IB starts off at 8am: the sun slowly rising over a green pasture. Rabbits grazing. Birds chirping.
Off in the distance you hear a faint song... Quiet Riot "Cum on Feel the Noise." The Quiet Riot gradually deafens the sounds of nature.
All of the sudden the senior associates drift into the parking lot in their T-top Pontiac Firebird, each sporting letterman jackets. They burst through the office doors; one packing a lip full of chaw, and the others dragging cigarettes... Camel reds. The interns scatter. Pussy is wet.
The Seniors (keen to leave a legacy before graduating to highly coveted PE roles) corner an intern and take his lunch money. One Associate strays from the pack to dunk an analyst's head in the toilet. The managing director bursts out of his office to see what the ruckus is all about... The MD spots his rich white son. They all fist bump. The hallways smell of cigar smoke and sex. Stock Markets are at an all time high. Everyone gets laid, and the analyst drowns in self despair.
Toxic... Please.
For the sake of anonymity I won't name the firm, but I am pretty sure that we work together. This is literally my day, every day, word for word.
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I guess instead of the word toxic maybe just generally being an asshole is what I was asking. It was clearly answered by everyone here.
Intoxicating* would have been a better choice.
You had the correct root word, just the wrong connotation.
Edit: I'm being facetious. Your post bucketed financiers into an almost "high school musical"ly bad stereotype, which is why I posted. I've met a fair amount of bankers in the industry; some were perfect, most were awesome, and the other majority just shy of being so.
There are a few colorful personalities sprinkled throughout, but they don't sour the milk by any means. To the contrary they make the industry hilarious to work in. If not for the sole fact, you get to hear / share stories about an MD crushing an analyst's sandwich in a fit of rage, or some poor intern getting a pitch book thrown at them for misplacing an Oxford Comma. I come from a very vanilla science background, and find this industry so amusing haha.
I guess I should garage my Firebird until I hit that associate level then.
I feel like a poser after reading that
Hahaha epic, LFG!
In my experience, there are lots of firms that don't have super egomaniacs running around poisoning you with their "toxic" masculinity. You have to be able to fit in to do it. It's really not that bad. But then again, I haven't worked at a BB. You won't know until you actually work there.
If it's too much for you snowflake, then go to Malaysia and save the gay dolphins
Is Malaysia known for it's homosexual dolphins?
Absolutely haram.
In OP's fantasy world, everyone is homosexual, female, and diverse because anything otherwise would make his head explode with too much privilege. So yes, this must include Malaysia
I’m not gay but it’s called a BLOW HOLE for a reason
it isn't that it's too much; just wanna know if I'm going to be working with dicks who think its ok to be dicks because they are smart and making good money
I hate this generation.
why, because being a good person matters more to them?
You're 20. Go have a few beers and get laid instead of inventing problems to make your life more miserable.
See the problem is that “good” in this day and age is extremely subjective.
If you are a straight asian/white male proud of all the shit you put up with (getting into a good school, finding any hole to squeeze yourself into IB, eating a lot of shit to stay there...) then you are “bad”. We are expected to hate ourselves or something because it so happens that everything came free. It doesn’t matter what your background is, race gender and sexual orientation somehow mean you had it extremely easy.
Then there is this expectation that because you are any different than that you have to be treated better or more kindly. And I think that is where the issue arises: some people have been praised for doing stuff that the average w/a male is expected to do, and as such when they are in a high stress environment such as IB they struggle to understand that everybody around them worked just as hard or even harder than them to be there. No diversity pipelines, no networking events handed to them, no easier interviews bc “they are underrepresented” . Just a bunch of people trying to make it. And all of a sudden they realize that the small cushion they had is no longer there and thus, their answer to it, is to conclude that its “toxic masculinity”.
No one cares about who you are once you are in the office. The only thing that matters is if I’ll have to put in more work to cover your ass or if you’ll make my life easier. And based off that, and that alone, I’ll like you or not.
I would say it's more widespread fragile masculinity rather than toxic masculinity. Everyone is deluded into thinking they're Don Draper or that they need to be Don Draper.
This is pretty much it. For those interesting in getting into banking, think about how hard it is to get into banking. Now think about to path required to get into banking. You excel in academics most of your life in order to get into the right school, grind hard at school to put you into a position to get an internship, and then hating yourself enough to convert that internship into a full-time position by pushing yourself to the point of near delirium during your summer. Now you're a full-time first year analyst, who gets shit on by anyone and everyone. Your associate asks your admin to bind a PIB and she in turn asks you to handle it. For the vast majority of people you've been a nerd your whole life and now you have just a whiff of some small financial success and might even get to talk to a few girls so you project nothing but intoxicating success, because boy you think you've made it, and the world is now finally yours.
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I think it would be better if you left to be honest.
Not sure why everyone thinks that working in finance makes them an alpha male...I have quite a few banking friends who are A) fat and out of shape as they work 12+ hours a day an eat seamless all the time B) Not really that great with girls and therefore try and use their money, which normally doesn't work C) Haven't been in a fight in their lives. Let me tell you having a great career and a high paying job doesn't make you alpha, it makes most people entitled and they act "alpha" because their money covers up their flaws. Not saying all bankers are like this - I have definitely met some very alpha male bankers but this isnt the norm.
Also, not hating just stating facts.
You're telling me.
good to know, thanks
Yes! Truth. 100. Thank you.
Getting in fights is so alpha
OP, either learn to be aggressive and successful or go get my coffee.
Lmao he sounds like the bottom b*tch who keeps wondering why the girls are never interested in him
no, I just don't want to be working with people I hate, but I guess that's too much to ask for.
oh, so the only way to be successful is to be a dick? There's a difference between being an asshole and getting your voice heard. From this thread, it seems like most people think being a dick is the only way to do that
How old are you?
I think your perception of the real world may limited right now.
i feel like "toxic masculinity" is just a term that stupid liberals use to describe any straight white guy who doesn't act like justin trudeau
This. Unfortunately it's something that's prevalent at all kinds of universities these days. So lo and behold, kids like OP get brainwashed in to being too soft and fail to grasp reality.
In other words, a cuck
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