For some reason see a ton of Oxbridge grads from the UK working at no-name boutiques with tons of legit experience.
Feels like any target student who is motivated enough to get freshman internships/good sophomore internships is motivated enough of getting an SA at a traditional IB
not trying to knock the boutiques here, im sure they have great cultures - just curious as it's an outcome that I don't really see in the U.S.
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Oxbridge no longer has the clout it used to. Kinda mirrors the downfall of London too funnily enough
Ah yes the typical Analyst 1 having an opinion that (1) makes no sense and (2) does not matter.
this is just an oxbridge thing I think. Not as career focused and they supposedly focus a lot on academics and have time for little else (from what I have heard from friends)
The Euro arguement is overblown as you can still see people from LSE/Imperial/UCL/Warwick cleaning up
Oxford MFE for instance is 9 months, and quite quantitative. When do you have time to recruit/network lol? Imagine you come across someone from hec escp or bocconi with off cycles in paris/milan at BB, graduating same year as you. You're cooked.
EU targets just have much better programs. You graduate when you think you have a good enough exit which is typically 2-3 internships later and a grad role secured. You get supported throughout the years and after.
went to oxford.
this is because there is no culture of getting a job in the way there is at other unis.
mainly because students are a) busier in much more rigourous academic work b) often nerdier and do not care about prestige (more interested in startups or academia) c) do not have a large friend group who cares about corporate jobs d) think that getting a job will be trivial because they have a 'good' degree from oxbridge
thus many get to the end of the degree with no good experience and hence are too old to start at a good shop
still defo think all the best graduates in the UK are at these universities. they just don't have a great job culture there
+1
Went to Oxford and this is insanely true
pretty interesting.
people often knock US universities for not putting enough of an emphasis on """ROI"", always assumed the rest of the world was a pre-professional boot camp
doe this hold true for LSE/St. Andrews as well?
if you focus on career stuff whilst being an oxford student, you will have by far the best access to top tier jobs
you can make the roi extremely high
most students don't because they don't know that they have to prepare early - its that simple
With all due respect, St Andrews is not in the same conversation with LSE. It's only famous because the Royals go there and rich East Coast Americans started flocking there in the last 5 years.
oxbridge fell off hard after COVID
LSE Imperial and UCL have improved year on year in recruiting
Culture at those unis are much stronger as reflected in the assessment centres I've been to
Even Durham and Warwick frequently show up but Oxbridge not so much
Lol prospect is noise making. A good Oxbridge Mathsci doesnt drag IB w/ you. They all flock to Quant- How many can do that from LSE, UCL Durham and Warwick? We can’t test inteligence by your ability to memorize BIWS. How about I ask you simple gamified problem set about expected pay off, watch how you shit your pant on basic conditional probability.
Lol. It’s fascinating How people still measure capabilities by going into IB. My friend the best go to Quant or HFs
wtf
I never mentioned anything about IB or quant specific lol
Seeing a lot of hate on Oxbridge recently - chill, it is by far and away the absolute top dog without a shadow of a doubt in the UK and Europe. As the above posts mention, they are very academic places (both of them) so they attract a certain type of student, more nerdy. That said, if you have even a modicum of career / vocational ambition the world is yours. Academically, oxbridge competes extremely well globally in top 3-7 depending on the field of study (Harvard, MIT, Stanford perhaps being slightly higher), and obviously the oxbridge brand commands respect in meetings and boardrooms globally.
Agree with how oxbridge in how they don't have as career focused culture as LSE / Warwick
would anyone dispute the fact that there are many more quant roles available these days than there were 5-10 years ago? that gives the route for smart gifted students to pursue a high-paying career, be intellectually simulated, and have an OK work-life balance. so, obviously, oxbridge grads have an advantage here for the most part and per capita are more likely to pursue that path. bottom line is that IB is past its prime for oxbridge grads so you generally see fewer of them. i am sure by default an oxbridge grad will get more looks from university name than ucl/warwick/lse grads and nobody would dispute this - it is self selection IMO
this is all coming from a ucl grad - i know first-hand there are way less people gunning for quant roles at non-oxbridge/imperial unis whereas most of my oxbridge network are pursuing that field
Amusing how you lot think quant is intellectually stimulating. The only thing stimulating about it is the money, otherwise it’s boring af. And yes, I’d hire an Oxford PPE or Classics over anyone given the choice.
said every retarded, privately-educated banking MD
It’s not nothing to do with Oxbridge “falling off” and especially not that they’re “flocking to quant” lol. The internship/grad role culture isn’t as prominent as at other universities so many of them reach graduation before they realise they can’t just walk into IB. There’s no fall off however since if you equate for experience then it’s still the best place to be, no doubt. The quant comments are even more ridiculous since this is an extremely small number of people, most of whom would never have been interested in IB in the first place.
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