Racism on WSO
I log onto WSO every couple of days to read what people are talking about, and I always at least one if not more threads that are incredibly racist, with many comments supporting it. Whenever crime, Black Lives Matter,#stopasianhate, diversity, or systemic racism are mentioned, the post is swarmed by people repeating white supremacist talking points (most commonly the 13/50 stat, which has been labeled "racist propaganda by white supremacists" according to the ADL, when used to say Black ppl are "naturally violent"). Thankfully there are always a few users who are able to defend the common good, but it seems to be getting out of hand in recently. Now maybe I spend to much time on the Off-topic forum, but I have repeatedly seen them on IB as well, recently talking about the "very high" crime rates in NYC. I writing this mainly to say that WSO should focus more on stamping down on this hateful rhetoric and create a more welcoming environment
Edit: I got 2 MS within 3 min of posting this lmao.
Edit 2: I am specifically talking about incredibly racist comments, white supremacist, nazi level comments, not some random fox news watcher saying something politically incorrect.
White Lives Matter
Agreed. Black Lives Matter. Blue lives matter. Yellow lives matter. All lives matter
Bro shut the fuck up. WSO is one of the last places on the internet where one can speak openly and freely about our country. This--not career advice--is one of the biggest reasons I even stay on this forum. Don't you dare try to push censorship onto this site.
Do you think the "White Lives Matter" post should be deleted. Or is that fine?
I am not talking about full censorship of all ideas, I'm completely fine with conservative view points, but I think white supremacist ideas should be investigated by WSO.
"White Lives Matter" is a shitpost to trigger you, I don't care about politics and I'm not saying it seriously, I agree that there are too many political threads I've never made a political thread and the site would be better without them but if they are going to be here I'm going to shitpost in them just like I would shitpost in any other off topic thread
You claim to have good intentions. But in practice, this philosophy of "stamping down on hateful rhetoric" always leads to censorship of anything remotely politically-incorrect. You just advocated for calling the 13/50 stat (a proven fact) a "racist propaganda by white supremacists." So does every comment that mentions that blacks commit a disproportionately high amount of crime have to be deleted? We can't even state facts without being called racist at this point. No, I don't want any censorship of "hateful" content. If you have a problem with a viewpoint, debate it to show the other person (and the rest of the forum) why you are right.
Saying that a post that states "white lives matter" should be deleted directly infers that posts saying "black lives matter" should be deleted too...
Dont MS me, im just showing that free speech needs to be protected and pointing out the irony of that stance
I think white lives matter just as much as black lives matter. What are you saying, that white lives don't matter? Almost twice as many unarmed white people are shot as black people, but black people commit almost 50% of all violent crime. That doesn't seem proportional or fair, does it? Do you have something against white people that supports your reasoning for their lives not mattering? That sounds pretty racist.
Also the 13/50 isn't just a "talking point." It's an FBI crime statistic, so all you've done here is show your own glaring ignorance. It's not racist to state a statistic, because facts cannot be racist as they lack intent. The ADL also labeled the OK hand sign as a symbol of white supremacy because of a meme that started on 4Chan. So if you believe everything the ADL spouts then you also think there's over 70mm white supremacists in this country, amongst which is the largest portion of minority voters to vote Republican since Regan.
Step outside your classroom, take the constant CNN chatter out of your ears, and grow up. Policing statistics are not indicative of racism, despite what the post-Floyd trial news coverage would have you believe.
You really are a stupid cuck, if you don't like WSO then go to reddit to join your soyboy friends
All lives matter!
agreed.
Preach
LOL stfu pussy. Its not racist to disagree with your opinion
I'm not saying it is, I'm saying racist rhetoric that is used to disagree with an opinion is rhetoric. I'm perfectly fine with having a discussion about current race relations in the US, but not if racist dog whistles or talking points are used.
lol you aren't actually perfectly fine if you need to throw the qualifier in there, 'racist dog whistle talking points' are only racist dog whistle talking points to certain people, they might feel like facts and not feel like racist dog whistle talking points from the perspective of the more 'racist' or actually racist person
What if something is racist/offensive to you but not to someone else? I kind of see where your coming from but I’m of the opinion that online discord should be as free as possible. I do think WSO does a decent job at doing that.
Im not talking for any sort of broad censorship. The "slippery slope" argument doesn't really pertain to this, however, I'm literally just talking about Nazi/White supremacist points, which are easily identifiable, open conversations about race I am completely fine with.
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The organization found by a self-proclaimed Marxist who wants to destroy family values?
I respect the movement but despise the organization.
I'm Asian. DOJ reports that biggest perpetrators against Asians when it comes to violent crimes are Black and Hispanic people. But the media only reports it when a white guy killed/beat up some Asian person.
"Stop Asian Hate" but we should be saying it to Black and Hispanic people too, not just white people. White libtards are so racist against themselves.
People who want "diversity" the most forget why diversity is good in the first place. It's good because it brings different perspectives to the table. Unfortunately, the same people who want diversity want diversity without any of the benefits. They want us to be this giant homogenous monolithic culture that permits no different way of thinking. They're either idiots or fucking crooks. Either way, very dangerous.
You mean Affirmative Action and all the nonsense about "Support black - owned businesses" only because they're black ? Look up on what "Racism" actually means.
Thats why no one listens to the organization, out of all of my friends (many of whom are socialists) who have been to protests, marched, spoken out for BLM, 0 of them follow the organization, there are definitely criticisms of it.
StopAsianHate, nearly always stems from the labeling of COVID as the "chinese virus" a racist dog whistle, it should be prevented no matter what race is committing it, I agree.
I want diversity because of why you stated its good, different perspectives on the table are what make this nation the best there is.
The goal of affirmative action is to equally represent each racial group in college (It should be based off class I will give you that) to promote diversity (see above), Black people have been oppresed in this nation for 400 years, which is why they benefit from it. BUT ALSO, white women benefit the most from affirmative action (https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women…), so do with that what you will.
If this statement doesn't feel right, then Idk WTF to say. All the "anti-capitalist Socialists" I've talked to have no idea their version of socialism is just nice capitalism.
Couple of them were Software engineers making 6 figures going to nice restaurants. FUCKING IRONY.
And they achieve that by systemically discriminating against other races & letting in rich Black kids whose dads are lawyers and rich Hispanics kids with a mansion in Miami to fill the quotas. AA does not give a shit about actually underprivileged minorities. Otherwise, you'd see a lot more of them in colleges.
VOX is like the liberal version of FOX. They're fucking wrong on so many things that it's fucking pointless to even bring up examples.
STFU and kindly leave us minorities alone.
We don't need your sympathies asshole. We know it's just another shot at all that "White man's burden" BS you white folks tried 200 years ago to colonize us.
I hate racists but overtly racist assholes (aka idiots who never met a person of color before) are better than racists who pretend not to be racists (aka White Libtards).
You do realize that conservatives can also be racists that pretend not to be racists, right?
Sample size has not been statistically significant so WTF do I care. I see libtard racists everywhere I go in this Blue state of mine.
I spent a good amount of my life in a Red state and majority of the "racist" people are just ignorant of what other races are like because they haven't interacted with much. Once you talk to them and get to know them, they are generally good people. And they are usually pretty honest about, what they thought of you before they got to know me.
please go look at the comment pertaining "St. Fentanyl Floyd"
please go STFU or actually learn about what you're talking about.
I don't disagree
Many, or most, people are racist, regardless of how comfortable or uncomfortable that idea makes you feel. White-knighting or being a social justice warrior hero is not going to change that fact.
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Pound sand, you whiny little snot.
Take our hateful rhetoric up your ass, you overly sensitive little twat.
Shut the fuck up, you ought.
A safe space, this place is not.
Sound penmen, couplets well-thought.
Makes sense but too many words you jot.
Don't bother, just list of words he concocts.
But who knows, this guy might be a bot.
That 3rd line is a bit wonky on you too, but well played.
The very high crime rate in NYC is racist, because why?
The comments on the post are what I'm referring to specifically. i.e. calling Black people the "13%ers" is racist
no it isn't
It really isn't, it's well documented that African Americans disproportionately commit crime
FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime? – Channel 4 News
So 13/50 is not technically wrong - it's the conclusions that white supremacists draw from it that are wrong. Black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of murders. This is because black Americans are disproportionately poor (due to our country's history). Poor whites and poor blacks are equally likely to commit violent crimes like murder. But a larger % of blacks are poor compared to whites, so this skews the data. White supremacists say blacks are naturally more violent, but reality is that poor / uneducated people are more violent.
Anyways, I agree with other posters. You're annoying. There are generally good debates from both sides. WSO is not a meeting place for alt-right folks like certain subreddits. If it were to become a stomping ground for white supremacists like r/TheDonald, that would be different
I already stated basically exactly this in another comment, my point is that I have seen the "naturally violent" argument used. That is what I am talking about.
You haven't spelled out that point clearly enough in your OP. I don't have time to read all your comments. Pls fix, thx
13/50 is an explanation for why of the 1,000 people killed by police each year a disproportionate number (relative to the population) are black (really, black men)--police have more violent interactions with violent criminals. If you could link to where someone asserted that black people are naturally violent I'd LOVE to see it.
Ultimately, facts aren't racist. There are endless explanations for violence in the black community, but asserting facts isn't racist, despite what the ADL claims.
Lol, nice propaganda. When controlling for income, blacks still commit crime at significantly higher rates, but way to spew bullshit.
Feel free to share a link or provide a source brother
Literally the exact link you posted disputed this. Did you read it? Or did you stop reading right before the part where YOUR OWN LINK said that many different studies say different things and the evidence is not clear?
Good point - one study I found said single motherhood rates are a bigger factor than poverty. The point is the same though - the color of your skin doesn’t make you more violent
One final rant about diversity.
A group of white dudes all coming from different socio-economic background &/or different state is DIVERSE to me.
A group of black guy, Asian guy, white girl, and a latina coming from the exact same neighborhood in the Upper East Side is NOT DIVERSE.
I agree, you know you kinda sound familiar to someone you may not like.
"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." - Marx
How's that even close to what I wrote?
Truth being told, Marx made lots of good observations. Biggest issue is that his good observations were extraneous. His main points on how the history has worked and how economics works and should work (particularly on the state of capitalism) was all FLAT OUR WRONG.
thanks for being so fucking woke bro, your wokeness is rubbing off on myself and on all of the other posters, your wokeness is contagious and these posts of yours are so woke you are making OPs head explode
thanks bro, i love you![]()
#STAY ACTUALLY WOKE
#REAL PROGRESSIVES HATE SJWS
Seriously, old school progressives like me (I'm in my 20s though) are fucking ashamed of dumbass SJW MaRxiSt PrOgGrEsSiVeS who wants to defund the police and fight racism with racism. I find them incredibly stupid and dangerous.
That's why I love Bill Maher nowadays. This pot-smoking super left-wing guy sees through the madness of wokeness and makes fun of it. Sooner or later, Twitter is going to label Bill Maher as a radical right-wing pundit and ban him.
please go look at the comment pertaining "St. Fentanyl Floyd"
13/50
based buffalo 66 poster
It’s hilarious to think how delusional conservatives must be to think their ideas are being persecuted across the internet. The Republican party is playing you like a fiddle. Makes sense tho, Dems do the same to stir up their base. Controversy and sensationalism is how you gain power in the 21st century.
Please shut the hell up, if you don't like the forum go join the pussies on reddit where all your libtard friends hang out
I've never once felt this site was racist (coming from a minority), reason I'm on the off topic forums here is reddit is a cesspool of white knight groupthink. Now here we have a dumb cu*nt trying to ruin the site for people who are moderate or even rationally conservative. Piss off
please go look at the comment pertaining "St. Fentanyl Floyd"
He was high out of his mind on fentanyl and meth. FACTS. Go look up a lethal dose of fentanyl and then look up St. Fentanyl Floyd’s blood concentration. More FACTS you won’t like.
But yea, since the insane amount of drugs in his system had nothing to do with his death, everyone should be okay taking the levels he did. You’d have no problem taking that amount, right?
Please shut the hell up and stop trying to ruin honest discussion in this forum. I've very rarely seen racist stuff on this forum, people like you are literally just as bad as Tea party morons
Why don't you create a gigantic list of these comments and who said them?
You make big claims but you provide no evidence.
Fuck you dude. Leave WSO if you don't like it and spare us your all-too-obvious incompetence. Sincerely, a member of the so called diverse community
Amen and awomen brother. We need to be less white to fight against white supremacy.
the banana to monkey shit ratio is indicative of WSOs collective view against the cultural marxism you are trying to foist upon us.
glad that the average IQ on WSO is higher than that of the instagram/social media echo chambers.
Lol @ trying to turn WSO into reddit. It’s not going to happen - most users here are too educated and experienced.
I hate to point this out, but the temples of wokedom are Ivy League unis. It's not the working class pushing for this nonsense, actually, they are the ones opposing it. It's the ''educated'' that are promoting this. I do recall reading a study showing that the higher the title, the more extreme the ideological position was.
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