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1. Biden
I'd throw Abraham Lincoln in the top 10 for establishing the first version of the federal income tax (he admittedly outshines that negative by ending slavery at the federal level) and Woodrow Wilson top 3 for dragging us into the 1st World War thereby setting up our involvement in the second and developing the powerbase of the modern progressive movement.
I can't believe I'm going to say this but you guys are giving Biden too much shit for this thing.
There are few positions that are more popular within the American public than ending the endless occupations in the Middle East. For once that Biden actually does something that's not a project of the global elites, you are upset because....the mainstream media hate it. God it's like you never learned anything about the media in the past 5 years.
Sure the optics of the collapse of the Afghani forces look terrible, I agree. The image of American foreign policy is massively damaged... among the elites. Who cares? They are the ones to blame to begin with. They are the ones who thought you could occupy Muslim countries for a few decades, build infrastructure, schools, stadiums etc and somehow that would turn Iraq into Sweden, because culture doesn't matter and lolberal democracy is the final chapter of political development.
That plan has failed everywhere: Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Then I get called ''far right'' for pointing out what reality says: lolberal democracy is not compatible with Islam. Muslims don't want it. They'll fight to death against it. Reality doesn't have a liberal bias, it has a ''far right'' bias. Finding a Muslim gay rights activist in Amsterdam doesn't change anything. He's not representative at all of the values of Muslim societies.
If you want to look for culprits of the debacle of Afghani forces, look no further than that woke imbecille Milley. The guy has no fucking clue what's the situation on the ground over there and he's the one supposed to inform Biden. The leadership of the US military forces is a joke and has been for quite some time. You are actually lucky enough that you get away with a humiliation in a country far away and not with enemies at your doors, because China is coming. They are singing about annexing Taiwan.
The difference is that now to the very least you have a clear evidence that your chain of command is rotten. Fire the generals, Pentagon leaders, CIA, all guilty. Worst of all, ''foreign policy experts''. That fucking imbecille Ian Bremmer saying on tv ''well, we wasted time fighting radical Islam when it turns out the real terror threat for America is white supremacy''. Lolz, 9/11 alone has more death combined than all ''white supremacists'' terrorist attacks ever done, including those done by Asians or African-Americans that are somehow classified as such.
Kick out all foreign policy think-thanks of Washington DC. De-fund them. Taleb is right, anyone advocating wars needs to be obligated to have their immediate relatives in them. Want to get your mojo back? De-bureaucratize your foreign policy.
Until that happens, you don't get to whine about Joe Biden. He's just one of the many. You have thousands to fire before him.
(And he sucks as a President anyway, state sanctioned CRT is actually far worse than this debacle and it's the kind of thing that will result in further situations like this in the future. That without even touching the laughable economic policy, insane immigration policy etc).
edit: you might as well notice, one of the primary reasons the Pentagon/CIA so vehemently opposed Trump, to the point of lying to him, was to avoid foreign policy decisions like this. Now they got it from their darling Biden. Just to further evidence these people have no idea what they are doing.
edit 2: the Pentagon is up to date with the latest queer theory but they have no clue how many Americans are in Afghanistan. Now, Biden is a shit president because he's not firing everyone with immense dishonour, but again he's just the tip of the iceberg.
I agree with a withdrawal from Afghanistan, but come on... the lack of planning and the impression of just throwing people to the wolves for lack of thinking about the aftermath; well, it's exactly what got us into the messes in Iraq (which we should have been in and still should be) and Afghanistan. I'm a fan of Biden's in general, but you have to criticize where it's due, and this is a disgrace, and that's entirely on him as both POTUS and Commander in Chief.
Worked in Germany and Japan! Another set of countries with no history of democracy, who could have reasonably and accurately have been called a people looking for a boot to lick, and yet here they are, a stalwart of the international community and staunch and successful democracies.
This idea that one has to fight in order to support a war is insulting and absurd. I can believe that Saddam Hussein was a genocidal maniac who posed a massive threat to world peace and a suborning influence on international politics without wanting to go shoot a gun at his Republican Guard.
1. Biden
2. Carter, although his humanitarianism is something to be lauded.
Lol at the first one.
I would argue that Carter may have had a successful post-Presidency, but his actual term in office was an unmitigated nightmare. That being said, it's hard to compare that to utter incompetents who pillaged the government for private gain, or folks like Buchanan who gladly watched the world burn to avoid doing anything (or because of a tendency to sympathize with traitors).
1. Trump
2. Biden
How original
Realistically...
James K. Polk and Andrew Jackson
I left out the last two presidents as to keep my political leanings silent, but I have opinions about both as well.
Curious why you hate on Jackson. He was fiscally responsible, largely focused on USA's interests, felt for the commoners, lead successful international trade negotiations, and helped pave the way for more land acquisition via negotiations with the native population. Sure, by today's standards, he was rough around the edges, but in general, he embodied being an American. Also, the assassination attempt is a pretty cool story.
ToT was my main reasoning. Pretty horrific even for the time.
Wait... "negotiations with native populations"? That's a joke, right?
His Presidency was in many ways a failure. He was pro-slavery, his economic policies were awful and he couldn't understand the (then) modern world of banking and finance and so tried to scotch it, and his attempts at Civil Service Reform arguably did more harm than good. He uncovered corruption, but also instituted the spoils system, which would lead to far worse.
His only real success was his handling of the Nullification Crisis. But mostly, his beliefs about government, about economics, about everything, were relics of a previous era and didn't really recognize the United States of the time, or anticipate the increasingly obvious direction which the nation was going.
The worst presidents are Buchanan, who let the whole country disintegrate, and (Andrew) Johnson, who set civil rights back a hundred years.
Harding, Hoover and Buchanan have a pretty strong claim to the top three spots in some order. Andrew Johnson up there. Gonna be hard not to put Trump in the very bottom tier of the list, but I think it's tough to judge a legacy this close to a term in office. George W Bush isn't going to be looked on favorably (though I don't think he deserves mention in the same "absolutely dreadful" list that the 3 or 4 others mentioned occupy).
Lol Trump and Bush as the worst presidents of all time is laughable - maybe they weren't "good" or were slightly below average looking at them through the lense of a modern liberal, but the worst ever? Talk about recency bias. Go watch some more CNN chief
Wow... did you even read my comment? I very clearly stated that I didn't think Bush deserved to be counted among the worst of all time. It's hard to argue that his tenure in office was anything but a failure, given the parlous state of the economy when he left office and the two failed wars he brought us into without any strategy or vision to get us out (and to be perfectly clear, I'm an ardent supporter of the intervention in Iraq in particular). His reputation is bolstered by the enormous surge of patriotism that engulfed almost his entire first term.
As for Trump... well, the man who used his time in government and his bully pulpit to do all he could to erode faith in American institutions, to accrue as much profit to himself as possible, and who bears a goodly portion of the moral blame for COVID, who shut down the entire federal government in a fit of pique; I doubt history will be kind to him. And yes, I stand by that - while he could not have stopped COVID-19, his initial attempt to blame it (as with every other piece of bad news) on his political opponents meant that the people who supported him would never take it seriously. The fact that he and his campaign actively colluded with foreign powers to influence elections... I mean, the list of negatives goes on forever. What good did he do? What did he even attempt that was laudable? His foreign policy was a mess, his domestic policy more or less stopped at "blame Democrats" and that is about it.
I realize this OP is a trolling effort, but obviously trump is the worst president in history, and probably the only one more motivated to serve himself over the country. trump is the worst and it's not even close. It would take volumes of books to document his incompetence and corruption, but it's all driven by his narcissism.
In the last 100 years, W. Bush is the second worst, mostly for his invasion of Iraq and his disastrous strategy on Afghanistan.
The second part of this is either trolling on your part or just a lack of knowledge of history before 2000. Harding and Hoover are without question worse than Bush, and I'd argue strongly for Carter's inclusion as well.
Besides, it's too vague of a question. I think most of what is wrong with the United States today can be traced back to Ronald Reagan's tenure, though most people would think of his term in office as wildly successful. Especially given Iran Contra, and what that says about his involvement in the October Surprise in the 1980 election.
You yourself outlined W's ills. I'm fine with putting Harding and Hoover up there with Bush. No one will ever say that Carter was a great president, but there are many others that were worse including the aforementioned three.
What's so bad about Reagan? He did something like eight tax increases which were almost as much as the famous tax cuts. First and foremost he was a pragmatist, not at all like the Koch bros ideologues nor like Trump.
So basically, you voted for Obama.
What?
This has to be trolling, or else you have no grasp on American history whatsoever. Below average ? for sure there's an argument to be made against Trump, but worst in history just shows your ignorance.
What is it that you think trump did well?
It's natural to list the President's in one's own life as being either the best or worst, we all have opinions on them because they dominate our lives. The issue that makes this ranking futile is we don't quite know how or when decisions made in a 4 or 8 year period can or will turn out. Besides, Historic opinion is fairly fluid for 50-100 years for US Presidents anyway.
Take Grant for example, he dies as one of the most well respected Presidents in US History (His Tomb in NYC is brilliant), but he is quickly thought of as a corrupt and ineffective President for the vast majority of the 20th century, but new perspectives are rapidly improving his legacy to slightly above average ranking in this century.
I think a good cut off is World War 2. I don't like to rate beyond that as things get shaky, Buchanan for me.
As with most things, this is in large part because of racist Southerners perpetrating their "Lost Cause" mythology.
He was out of his depth as a politician and was too trusting from all accounts, especially when it came to being bamboozled by big business, but was one of the few US Presidents to ever do a damn thing to protect black people beyond the bare minimum, or for reasons other than pure expediency. Frankly, the accelerating pace of industrialization in the postwar period pretty much guaranteed that the government would be overshadowed by big business; in many ways Grant was a victim of circumstance rather than any personal failings. He just didn't have the resources in the federal government to regulate the excesses of a rapidly changing society.
FDR and LBJ have to be up there
wild take lmao
FDR, Bush
Jackson, Andrew Johnson, Buchanan, Cooldridge, Hoover, Reagan
Cooldridge? You mean Coolidge ?
I think he meant Cool Ranch, the far superior flavor to Nacho
Barack Obama
Quality of life has dropped on almost every indicator since 2012(look it up)
Depression rates up
Happiness down
Worse race relations
Brought in the sjw movement, cancel culture, CRT, ridiculous things like females in special forces and infantry etc.
Escalted Afghanistan
Oversaw out of control fed spending and printing of money through quantitative easing
Did nothing to counter china
Only good thing is he was the deporter in chief, but mainstream media likes to pretend that didn't happen
This guy gets it
To add. I have never met someone older than 30 that thinks post 2010 to 2012 time-frame has been an improvement in our way of life. Much of this is blamed on technology in my opinion, which coincidentally was Obama best ally(all the technocrat liberals in sf like sheryl Sandberg, hell half his cabinet went to work for big tech after he left office). Life is less fun now on almost every account. Teens more depressed. More social anxiety. More contention.
All started under Obamas watch.
Imagine being such a failure and disruptive to American society you enable a reality star with zero experience who completely didnt take anything serious while campaigning to be elected as a pushback to your destructive rot you brought about on many Americans.
This is what I’ve been thinking about. This cancer came in full swing shortly after Obama’s presidency. Was he partly responsible, or was it just the direction our country was heading?
He isn't fully to blame, but he did nothing to stop it. At least trump tried to do something about it.
Bill Clinton used to talk about deporting illegal aliens in the state of the union.
Now saying the word illegal alien is a near crime instead of "undocumented" thanks to Obama and his party's viewpoints.
Its just a damn word.
Someone like Bush made some critical foreign policy blunders and oversaw an economic crash(which he wasn't fully to blame in my opinion) but he didn't change the American culture and way of life in destructive way like Obama did.
Obama oversaw a start in the collective rot of our society, happiness, social groupings, and even the way we are allowed to speak to each other.
Far more damaging than a failed war that l affected Americans that personally signed up for service ontheir own volition (ironically Bush was very popular with the troops despite being a foreign policy "failure")
Wow... a black man becomes President, we see a rise of white nationalist movements, and then a growing awareness by minorities that despite gains in race relations, they're still second class citizens, and you think the cause is Black Lives Matter? When Eric Garner is killed for selling singleton cigarettes on the street, and Dylann Roof is given Burger King after mass murdering a church full of black folks, it's not difficult to ascertain why "SJWs" think that there is still room for improvement.
LOL. I love when Obama gets blamed for this, as if it's fault that he was born a successful, articulate half-black man and all the racists decided to come out of their 1960s hiding spots.
Race Relations | Gallup Historical Trends
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Huge drop around 2012/2013
It's almost like when you espouse a theory that puts everyone into racial and sex dominance hierarchies, there will be more contention amongst the groups
Obama and the liberals are 100% to blame for the increased focus on RACE RACE RACE
Most conservatives don't care about race whatsoever.
Sunisa Lee wins gold medal:
Liberals: Wow, the first Asian-Hmong winner
Conservatives: Wow, an American winner!
too many examples of this, and the whole ideology started around the time obama took office
There have been a lot of worst Presidents. Here are my three but not in any particular order
Trump - One can't possibly be more a traitor than DJT. He encouraged people to attack the US Capitol and praised them as they did it.
Hoover - Was in office during the great depression
Carter - Economy was a mess
when did trump encourage people to 'attack' the us capitol? he encouraged them to protest, and it obviously escalated but in no way did he encourage an attack. if you have proof otherwise, would love to see
Yes, he encouraged people to protest a stolen election and he ratcheted up the crazy talk just before the Capitol was attacked. People who stormed the Capitol claimed that DJT told them to do it and they were only following his orders. DJT went on to praise his people and told that he loved them. It has to be among the most embarrassing and shameful events in the history of the US. And we did it to ourselves.
I wish the capitol storming was the bloody uprising liberals imagine it to be. It's good for the country for the bloodsucking parasites known as US congressmen to fear for their lives every now and again.
Instead we got boomers taking selfies and taking shits in Nancy Pelosi's office. Worst revolution ever. After excusing one of the bloodiest summers of civil unrest in 2020, the left can STFU about civil disobedience for awhile. Ya'll escalated this.
I don't think congressmen should have to fear for their lives when inaugurating a new president at all. For the past 200 years that's been basic fucking democracy. Please relocate to Somalia or South Sudan, if you want to storm the government to let your oligarch of choice stay in power forever you're welcome to do it over there.
FDR.....had us stuck in the longest depression ever.
Narrative in most high school history books is that he rescued us from depression....but think about it this way, if we went into a recession tomorrow and Biden didn't get us out for the next 16 years, would you consider that a success?
Imagine if we had a president who colluded with Russia.
Imagine if this president colluded with Russia so much, that his administration was openly full of Russian intelligence agents.
Imagine if this president colluded with Russia so much, he coerced the media into downplaying Russian war crimes and to portray the Russians as freedom fighters
Imagine if this president colluded with Russia so much, he betrayed our allies to further Russia's territorial ambitions in Eastern Europe
Imagine if this president colluded with Russia so much, he openly supported Russian foreign policy aims and supplied them with arms and armaments at the expense of the American taxpayer and the freedoms of many people in Ukraine and Poland
Of course, I am talking about Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Lend lease was the only thing that stopped Hitler from taking Russia, Stalin, Khrushchev, Zhukov all admitted it. Are there this many bitter Nazis on this board?
Lend lease was literal collaboration with a tyrannical communist power. Stop simping for Stalin and assuming everyone who questions the Schoolhouse Rock-tier history you believe in is either a "Southerner" or "Nazi".
It's funny because when you go to university they tell you Carter was a great president and Reagan a shithead.
William Henry Harrison - dude died after 31 days in office from pneumonia that was caused by either: 1) being too stupidly stubborn and refusing to give a shorter speech in the freezing rain at his inauguration, or 2) drinking contaminated water because DC’s sewage at the time was dumped upstream from the White House. Either way, pretty much the worst Presidency imaginable
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A lot of great points here about Buchanan, Polk, Biden, Trump.
Would also add Clinton — deregulated Wall St in all the worst ways, policies leading directly to Great Recession. Also had the gal to market himself as caring about race issues but passed police policies that reduced accountability for extortion and violence and incentivized petty drug arrests. Not to mention fucking an intern.
Clinton bitched about being broke when he and Hillary left the white house (not even true) to market himself as an everyman. In the same breath he caused the worst financial crisis since Depression, millions starving. Wtf
Definitely a shithead, but not the same Hoover who was President.
You’re right, mixed them up
1. Go get laid and/or read a book.
2. Why do you care what a bunch of finance professionals (i.e., prospects and interns pretending to be PE VPs) think about American presidential history? Working in finance doesn’t make you any more knowledgeable about other fields (arguably the opposite bc we work so much), and anyone's answer to this question is ~85% the political affiliation they were raised with.
3. Finance is a hard industry and many of its professionals are very sharp, but look up Nobel Disease to learn about why people far smarter than you or me have the impulse to offer ridiculous takes on other fields they know nothing about.
4. The more this forum becomes known for insane trolling and (joking or sincere) political extremism the less useful it will be for the average prospect hoping to break in.
Pls re-evaluate how you allocate your limited time on Earth
You’re new to forums aren’t you, bud. This is off topic - get used to it. There are plenty of other forums on here that are job or industry related. Maybe you should look around the site a little bit. Also, I’ve been an analyst of life for quite a while now and love to analyze everything. Maybe you don’t.
Furthermore, the only ‘off topic’ person on this thread is you - try to go with the flow. I didn’t ask you about your life so why do you inquire randomly about mine? I have a good life, visit family often and have a girlfriend. Maybe you’re the one who should get out a little more as I stay quite active and trained 30hrs last week.
What exactly are you doing with your life that is better than me or anyone else?
Also, I sincerely doubt that the topics on off-topic are going to ‘hinder’ candidates from breaking into finance. Get real bro - you sound ridiculous.
I was originally a banking prospect but I spent too much time on the WSO Off-Topic forum so now I am a lowly power plant owner
Lmao, is this a joke? He’s just asking a question.
Recency effect is difficult to overcome. I feel like Biden, Trump, Obama, and Bush were/are awful presidents (either on policy, leadership, or both). I think you have to go back to Clinton to find a decent president. Clinton, Bush, Reagan were all pretty good on various things. Carter and Ford were crappy, Nixon was a real mixed bag. One's opinion of Johnson is totally colored by ideology so impossible to say. JFK (IMHO) was quite good. Eisenhower was ok. Truman (IMHO) was terrific on foreign policy, blah on domestic policy (again, totally colored by ideology). FDR is totally colored by ideology, so impossible to say. Hoover was awful. Coolidge was terrific and Harding was ok on policy. Wilson was awful. Taft was good. Teddy Roosevelt was good. McKinley was good.
I don't think it's fair to judge 20th and 21st century presidents in the same category as 19th century presidents. Totally different office.
My own personal opinion, colored entirely by my ideology, is that Wilson, FDR, and Johnson were so bad that their presidencies will ultimately result in the collapse of our nation. The history books, however, laud them as some of the best presidents. I think in reality Trump will go down in the history books as the worst modern president (since the turn of the 20th century).
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