I've been fired - what do I do?
All,
Require some help/suggestions on my next course of action.
As the topic header indicates, I've been fired from my current firm - I was an Analyst, with around 8 months of experience.
My background: I went to Reading University in the UK (I'm UK based), had a decent B grade marksheet and did internship at ABN in the operations office.
However, when it came to the recruiting phase in November 2004, I knew that my current background wouldn't help me as much, especially when I saw the competition. Therefore, I did the STUPIDEST thing I could have done - alter my grades, to A, and upgrade my internship to a front-office role.
I winged my way through interviews and was lucky to have been offered a place at a top-5 M&A house (globally). I couldn't believe my luck! They only did random spot checks, nothing in detail, for which I was initially relieved.
I promptly started in September, went to NY for training, came back, posted to the FIG team. All went swimmingly, my boss liked me, as did the team. Got to do financial modelling / pitchbooks, all the usual lark.
Got an email from HR around a month back - they've spotted irregularities, could I come in for a discussion? I went in - present were all the top HR personnel, my line manager (with a disgusted look on his face) and the head of i-banking. The HR lady told me that my grades / internship specification doesn't match what I wrote, I tried to bullshit at first 'I don't know what you're talking about' etc... but it wasn't going anywhere.
She said that this was a serious disciplinary event and that I was going to be fired. Needless to say, I was devastated. My boss told me that I made a fool out of him, I did NOTHING of the sort - he said not to count on him for any references.
How do I explain this to future employers? Will I even get interviews? Please be serious - I am totally unsure as to what to do.
Thanks.
i wouldn't want to hire/work with you.
I would say that this blows but honestly, you probably had it coming to you. Hard lesson
In what to do going forward, It's a tossup because anyone can just call the firm where you worked at and find out what happened - especially if you go to the other top 4 banks. Maybe you should look outside banking (ie. trading, sales, research, etc) as they typicaly might not talk to bankers - or look at the buyside.
I guess you can go one of two ways - pretend that you quit (ie. too many hours, wanted your life bank) or admit that you were let go
You could also look at positions in the states.. (or asia) that might erase the problem completely by running away from it.
You can always go get your masters and start over again.
Best of luck..
Even sales & trading will call for previous refs. Most banks now use fairly sophisticated 3rd party providers for vetting new staff... I would have thought that you will find it astonishingly difficult to get hired anywhere worth working.
Go on a long trip
thats just wrong man. not only does this show you have no morals/ethics but it is totally illogical. of course they were going to find out ... they contact references and your school send official transcripts, etc.
Rather than try to use this employer at all for CV and such, just erase them from your past.
Then apply for other banks, with your correct credetials!!! And then make up a good story about what you have been doing for the past year. Maybe you tried to start up your own company or did frilance work, gets friends as references. You have the knowledge of Excel and you can talk a good story about the relevant skills, since you have actually worked at a bank but obviously don't tell them that.
Also 8 months is short, you can just make some date adjustments to cover it. I finished uni in October, after my masters thesis, but officially I graduated in March year after when all the papers had gone through.
Cheers
I have to disagree with this. You're taking a huge gamble that someone may find out about the past month and you'll get fired, again. In my opinion, you got yourself into this situation by lying and lying again is not a solution. If you get fired from two places for the same thing, it then becomes a fool me once shame on me, fool me twice...situation.
You have 8 months of solid experience under your belt from a very respectable bank. You'll definitely be dinged from a few places but you need to be able to stress how your experience makes up for a mistake you made in the past while blowing them away with your knowledge and personality. It might take a bunch of interviews, but once you find a bank willing to take you on, you'll know you have nothing to worry about and the incident is in your past.
Like said above, worst case is you go back and get your MBA.
you're going to have to fight to get another job, and will pay a little bit by most likely having to take a step down(but you might get lucky and get a sweet job). Go in with mentality that you've learned from your mistake and are willing to put in another two years at whatever job you get and that they have nothing to worry about regarding your character (think long-term, might be a little painful to the ego/work experience in the short-term)
I completely disagree with this recommendation. Lies got you into trouble in the first place, if you lie again you're only setting yourself up for another call into the head of HR's office.
I don't think a few GPA points is going to make the difference in getting an offer. Don't forget these past eight months because they're going to be very valuable to you during the interview process. Be honest, explain your mistake and let them know that you understand completely why what you did is wrong. Don't deny it, don't justify it. You messed up earlier.. but don't let it ruin your career forever. You now have 8 months experience in the business. You're experienced, you've put the hours in and another bank will love that about you as a candidate.
Lies only bring on more lies.. the above suggestion telling you to make up a good story is only going to lead to more and more lies. At that rate you will soon struggle to decipher between reality and fantasy.
this is just symptomatic of the vicous competition everyone is in, and the one thing that makes competition awful is when people break the rules and cheat. You lied and someone else didn't get a job, you deserve to get fired...
not sure how it works in england, but in the U.S., GPAs are generally on a scale of 4.0. are you saying that you said you had a 4.0 when u really had a 3.0? because if thats the case, its a blatant lie and you had it coming to you.. but im still surprised this happened 8 months into the job. best of luck moving forward, its a small world though so be careful.
and for the second cheater, as far as GPAs are concerned in general, ive heard of leeways of up to 0.4 in GPAs with people (saying u had a 3.5 when u had a 3.1, etc) if the people seem determined to work hard and show initiative. so a 3.4 to a 3.6 isnt the end of the world, and shouldnt lead to your being fired (but you may have some serious explaining to do).
Sorry Yogesh I will let you comment for yourself but Iwould say B to A is blatant, major difference, I think you agree.
With GPA over a large number of subjects there is some rounding, there is the comment about having had it at the time, if filled online, or being correct at the time, if in CV/resume. Perhaps with GPA it could be argued that courses taken beyond the minimum requirement could be taken out, otherwise you punish your GPA for your desire to learn.
It is not lying, it is a matter of definition, sometimes.
Cheers
how can you argue that some courses can be taken out of your gpa? your gpa is your gpa, and is listed on your transcript. i can understand if you want to also list a higher "major" gpa, which is fine. but the idea that you can customize your gpa to exclude the courses you did worse in is not a matter of definition, it is lying. if the school took it into account for your gpa, then it can't be excluded.
just my opinion (i guess). are there really no other people who condemn this sort of behavior?
I truly, TRULY hope that this thread is making it to the recruiters/HR Departments at banks throughout the country. It certainly just made it to mine. I assure you that in the short-term, now that these 'adjustments' have been made public all firms will hold resumes up to transcripts and fire if there are discrepancies.
It is absolutley deplorable that you would so blatantly lie and then be stunned when you're canned and black-balled in the industry. I can assure you that this thread has guaranteed that I, and any firm I work for in the future, will specifically check for this.
Why not get the job the old fashioned way, bust your ass in college and dominate your interviews? Good luck at McDonald's, and yes, I will have fries with that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Agreed, earn it you losers. It's a dawg eat dawg world.
I bet you are one of those people sits in rush hour traffic with their blinker on like an idiot, too inflexible or courageous to steal a lane.
Like if HR finds out u put a 3.8 instead of 3.6 or 3.6 for 3.4, will they do something JUST for that?
Yogesh, you seemed to have been untruthful about both ur gpa and work experience. How did they check the work experience, btw?
3.0 to 3.6? Dude, that is a significant difference. Anything more than rounding up, is in my opinion dishonest.
i find it amazing that you'e been canned once for lying about your gpa and are somehow rationalizing to yourself that it is ok to do it again since now your just inflating your finance/math grades. ever hear of hard work, networking, and an mba perhaps?? how are you going to provide references?
Some people said it prior but I'll add my voice in saying that going forward your best bet is to be honest about your past.
I would never hire an analyst or associate who I knew had lied about his GPA. This is a big deal and speaks volumes about the candidate's honestly and integrity. If a candidate's GPA doesn't cut it, the candidate should go work for a MM firm and try to eventually move up to a BB firm. So what if you make a little less the first few years? If you do have the necessary intelligence and skills, sill it really make that much of a difference 10 years down the road? At least you'll still have your integrity and won't have the fear in the back of your mind that someone will eventually discover your dishonesty.
Gotta be honest ... thats the only way to go. In the long run it will work out.
If you really want to lie about your past experience, do something that can't be verified. Make a bullet point about a project you never worked on. Tell them you did some spec trading in a market where you've never traded a contract.
But don't make up something that can numerically be verified to be false. This means GPA, places and divisions in which you worked, courses you took, etc. It's mostly the dumb liars who get caught by HR.
This time tell the truth and let that be a lesson learned. And it is a hard lesson because if you want a banking position in the UK, you are taking a big chance you will be found out. Maybe you should go back to the states.......Tell the truth from now on. We are all tempted to embellish. I worked for a company that took about 3 months to complete background checks, and they did not even start until you were hired. Who knows how long it actually took to get all the data.
First off OMG, this tread has caused some serious feelings to be stirred hasn
tough situation, but you brought it on yourself. we just had a huge speech from the cohead of IB about ethics. at my firm they take this very serious, as I am sure all banks do. one dumbshit analyst can ruin a reputation and put a whole bank out of a lot of deals.
Truth is, the people I knew that received the best GPAs gamed the system the best. They took the hardest classes with the easiest instructors, or over the summer when a PhD candidate was teaching. They "networked" with people that took the class already and "studied" the last five tests given. Instuctor hadn't taught the class in awhile? They wouldn't take it.
They would find out teacher's personal biases and play to them. Male teacher's gay? Just talk to him a bit after class every once in awhile. These people would also never take an interesting but difficult class outside of their major; all general education requirements were strictly planned in accordance with how easy the class was. Another trick: try signing up for classes that had two mid-terms (tri-term) after the first test. Especially useful in classes where the material didn't build on itself and the final wasn't cumulative.
Then throw in a couple very difficult (or difficult looking) and quasi-relevent classes such as linear alebra. Take this class along with a couple super easy classes during a quarter, and grunt it out. Hopefully you can use other tricks to help out, typically the harder classes maintain very similar tests from quarter to quarter. At some schools, a class generally recognized as being hard, will be easy. Find this class and take it. For instance, at my school, it was C++. Point to 2 or 4 classes like this during your interviews to show how hard your classes were.
One of the valedictorians at Harvard used this same techinque and wrote about it in his book. Another intersting fact is that his father wrote many of his papers. Today, you could likley outsource paper writing to India, and just edit for grammar. Or, go to an off-line paper archive.
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neway to teh OP, u got pwnd lol, now u loose
overheard some guys at lunch talking about this stuff - not sure which bank they were from, but they had something very similar just happen at their firm, and they were saying they're starting to go through and call registrar's offices to check on all their incoming analysts
Well, I think that when HR initially called you in, you should have immediately admitted to increasing your GPA instead of saying "I don't know what you're talking about." I mean, what? did someone just happen to go through your resume and change that 0 to a 6? Come on, these people aren't stupid.
Perhaps if you had explained to them (or future employers)that while looking at the competition for the spot, the stress you felt caused you to make a poor choice, but that you have learned your lesson, they would've given you a second chance. Tell them that everybody makes mistakes. But the people that learn from their mistakes are to be valued. So all in all, stop lying. Be a new person, starting now.
4.0
When I interviewed for my current job, I had a cumulative 3.97, which is what I put on my resume. No cheating, no lies. I can't even tell you what it cost me in terms of sanity/physical health, especially as I also had to work to support myself during that time. But I knew that the 4.0 was my key to the bulge bracket.
To hear that other people got the same opportunities I did with only a fraction of the effort... well, it certainly isn't a nice feeling. I spent hundreds upon hundreds of nights and days of my life studying and busting my ass rather than having a good time.
I absolutely will forward this thread to my HR department, and during my career in i-banking, I will never hire or protect a person who lied about their GPA. Period. End of statement. The morality of the industry begins in the characters of its junior bankers. And you know what? It's time for a change.
I totally agree, I know the feeling of having to work a lot harder getting in.
i completely agree.. if you want to put down a certain gpa you should have earned it.
people that goofed off all through college and then lie to get a job are just pathetic.
To hear that people gained opportunities that I didn't get because they had the willingness to use performance enhancing drugs... well, it certainly isn't a nice feeling.
This is a true story by the way and I'm not picking on you. A friend in HS who was already very smart and got well above average marks went on Adderall because he wanted to go to UPenn. After doing this his grades improved from the 4.0 level to the mid to upper 4s (GPA being out of 5 in HS). He continued to use Adderall all through college, completing a triple major in econ, sociology and something else.
He always claimed it was "natural" for him to be able to "focus" for so long and that the Adderall just got him back to a normal level. Sure. Honestly don't know what happened to him, but he changed a lot over those intervening years.
Sorry to be harsh, but you got what you deserved.
By lying, you prevented somebody else that analyst spot. Pushing up your 2:1 (B) to a 1:1 (A) was your first mistake. Lying about your internship your second mistake. Lying when questioned by your boss, your final mistake.
Moreover, you come from an average very non-target university and should have been delighted with the fact that someone from your university even managed to land an internship, be it operations! Deep down, I am sure you know this.
The consequences you face from your pinocchio behaviour, are just some of the harsh realities of life you will face.
I'll leave you with the following:
Cheaters never prosper.
But like Sherman McKoy's father said,
"If the Truth won't set you free...then LIE."
LOL
...obviously I'm joking.
And to quote another movie (Caddyshack)..."The world needs ditch diggers too." 8)
I don't have it in me to lie (except on those questions that ask for my race, I always put a minority, fuck liberals).
For the original poster, I would just take a long vacation and tell the next interview that you found God. Better yet put that your Hispanic on your application, they'll cream their pants, and when you walk in for an interview and if they ask about your race you can just say that your grandparents come from Spain. Bingo diversity quota for the win.
go to law school and embark on a new career. ib wasnt meant to be
Geez...3.51 is mine and I don't dare alter it.
Someone told me to since all you submit is an unoffical transcript that is alterable. DAMN...DOESN'T HR have the decency to request for an OFFICIAL copy before they approve an offer?!
i think its simply a matter of character and if you need a job that bad, its your choice. i dont know what postion you were put in so i cant judge you but i think it was a mistake to lie and your obviously paying for it now. all i can say is Good Luck
Thanks for all your comments, much appreciated...
I've now decided that ib isn't the career for me, and have embarked on a finance training programme at a blue-chip firm. I get to do the accounting qualification as well.
It certainly looks like I stirred up feelings, some positive, the majority negative...but although an apology in hindsight is right, at the time, I absolutely thought I was doing the right thing.
I learnt the hard way - to anyone out there who's thinking about doing what I did, albeit in perhaps a less extreme way - DON'T DO IT!!
Thanks again...
Just came across this post and im surprised people have fudged their credentials this much. I know for myself, I would rather play down myself as opposed to making up work experience or GPA. Granted the industry is incredibly hard to get into, but I have definately heard stories of individuals that many times get in trouble for fabricating information. Also, I think it is really wrong to do that when you think about all the honest people out there who are trying to get these jobs that dishonest individuals are getting them by making up credentials. As far as what to do for getting fired for this. There really is only one options, and that is to be honest with anyone who asks. It is a much greater sign of a strong candidate who admits their mistakes, gives reasons for them that seem reasonable, and then makes a firm commitment not to repeat them. While getting fired for lying is definately a problem for any individual, it still gives you the opportunity to discuss how hard the industry is to get into, how determined you were to at least get to chance to work in the industry, and how sorry you are for ever lying on your resume.
Good Luck to you Royal. This is a good post to inform undergrads and others the severity of lying.
Banks can't and won't reveal details of the termination. At least not officially.
Just go talk to your boss. Apologize. And ask HIM for some advice. They're not bad people. You were young and reckless. You did good work, and that should count for something.
That is simply untrue. For terminations for cause, we can and will state that was the case.
I have very little tolerance for this type of behavior. My integrity is not for sale, and I expect the same of my junior bankers. In a situation like this, I'd demand his head on a platter - not only would I expect him to be fired on the spot, but if he had the misfortune to run into me again on a deal team for another bank, I would not hesitate to ensure that he wasn't hired under any misapprehension about the circumstances of his separation from our firm.
In the US at least, once you start in the finance industry, there's a permanent record kept of you. Remember those NASD tests you had to take? You get a permanent record of who you were a registered agent for. Therefore, you definitely should not omit previous employers from your resume since you definitely will be found out.
Find another career. This time be honest. You don't deserve to be in IB. There are plenty of other honest individuals who are more deserving of a career in IB.
Ever think of selling used cars?
I think its hilarious that you think people here will "have no problem lying on their resume" to get into top firms. Most people here DONT NEED TO LIE to get themselves into top firms. That's why they got hired see.
The fact that you did means YOU DON'T BELONG in a top firm. Or even a half decent firm. Or any IB firm at all. I think the used car salesman idea is great - don't they just base their existence on lying about problems with '96 Chevy Impalas ? Pretty close to lying about problems with your shitty resume if you ask me.
I'm just glad I haven't heard of this kind of stuff happening here in New Zealand. The lack of honesty at the OP's analyst year at this supposedly top-tier IB is unbelievable.
I think you made the correct choice in not pursuing IB. I just hope that you got into that other job with your honest credentials.
awful, ur a disgrace to mankind. u don't even deserve "equities in Dallas"
Sounds like you learned a VERY valuable lesson--that we always get what we deserve in life based on the choices we make. Crying is for losers.
Go be a winner.
ur dumb, u should have networked and tried to get an MD to get you an interview, not put ur GPA on your resume, then crush the interview. if they asked for a transcript, no matter how poorly you had done, you would have been safe because nowhere did you represent yourself to be something you arent. i have a crappy gpa but it isnt on my resume and i have an MD who is going to get me an interview and even if we talk about gpa in the interview, im going to be quite alright. but ur also a retard for not making sure you are consistent in the reporting. back office to front office? ballsy as hell bro.
I worked my arse off to get a 3.9 GPA, and did a part-time internship as well. I never once lied about any achievement on my resume. Why should I be working so hard if others can just lie and get in? It's just not fair to the rest of us who got in through the honest hard way.
And yes, I am sending this thread to my HR too, and I will make sure that they verify the backgrounds of the incoming class and the present class. I will also send this thread to my buddies working in other BBs and ask them to forward to their HRs. A couple of people in this thread are already doing this at their banks, which is good. To the prospective monkeys out here - think twice before you lie. This time round, you will get caught.
milkshake,
don't be a tattle-tale... focus on your OWN work product, your OWN future, and don't think twice about what others are doing.
sounds like you're a loser by your above post.
I read what you are writing and think of a nerd screaming , "Oh, it's NOT FAIR"... go cry to your parents.
Milkshake,
Addendum---> See attached
"informant, informer, tattler. Informal rat, tipster, fink, snitch, snitcher, squealer, stoolie, stool pigeon"
Without doubt, I think 'stool pigeon' best describes your antics. Pathetic!
Nah .. you don't know me. maybe you are one of those cheaters who thinks a 2.7 is equal to a 3.7 ("this is just rounding up"). This explains your hysterical reaction. i did the right thing - everyone has a right to stop dishonest and criminal acts. in fact the corporate world needs more people to speak up against such dishonesty.
Your inability to distinguish between legitimate whistle-blowing and informant/backstabbing just speaks to your sneaky and slimy character.
Milkshake,
I have never whistle blown, never lied about my gpa, and am not a sneaky nor slimy character.
I simply don't judge, presume to know/want to know, try to understand people's action. I focus on MYSELF and only would whistle blow if my company or my person was in grave danger.
My reaction was not hysterical, but only indicative of the lack of respect I have for so-called whistleblowers.
And my gpa is 3.72 thank you very much. I never round up or down, I state fact.
To share the fact: I am always true to my own convictions.. FOR NO GOOD reason my offer letter at Wrbs was revoked in the recent past.. All the facts i shared with compaby were justifiable, and the company has no reason to not qualify me.. Was considered as Jr analyst for PE / M&A.. Turned my world upside down, as my parents got revocation letter issued to me stating I did provide wrong information.. Everybody has all lessons learnt.. M into RealEstates now, not by choice but chance.. Equation has changed drastically for me.. M betting high..
I agree with milkshake because at some point, you should say something. It's one thing to be a little biatch and cry about your problems but its another thing to let people step all over you (indirectly in this case).
Net worth or thing: "I focus on MYSELF and only would whistle blow if MY company or MY person was in grave danger."
Geez, the world will be a much "better" place if everyone is like you. Do not raise anything, do not try to improve the team culture, do not try to encourage honesty. Do not speak up for anyone else or against any criminal acts you see happening as long as it doesn't concern YOU. Not even if it's your best friend on the line.
Don't even talk to me about respect.
It's sad that such cheating is all too common in the business world, in schools, in life in general. Ethical people are actually the rare exceptions in this world. The thing is, you generally don't get anything for being ethical (except a feeling of smug satisfaction if you're the type). Where's this going? OF COURSE you should blow the whistle on people who break the rules and act unethically, not just for the benefit of others, but for YOURSELF. BE SELFISH. Think about it as a high-stakes football game. Everyone wants to win and will do everything in their power to do so. Maybe you're Mr. Upstanding who never gets a penalty. Does that mean you should let it go and not try to alert the ref when a penalty is commited against you? If you let it go, then you're an idiot. Clearly the penalty-commiter/ cheater wants to win more than you do, and he deserves to. We're all playing the same game here. You can't blame anyone for trying to screw people who gain an unfair advantage by breaking the rules. It's perfectly logical.
Yes the football metaphor is imperfect, but you should get the point
You are forgetting one thing. If you truly understand my screen name "net worth or nothing", then you realize why allowing the gpa liars in the door is actually a good strategy.
Simply put, those who lie about gpa don't have a "net worth or nothing" attitude in life. They are liars, don't know how to work hard, and ULTIMATELY will fail. Their failure will benefit you in your rising success.
Assuming you get in the door with an honest gpa, having some crap gpa analysts/assoc. in IBD will have a negligible impact on you because they will underperform (if their ability is directly correlated to their TRUE gpa) and you will be seen as superior and therefore top-bucket and likely to be promoted.
Don't worry about other f@#$ckers, focus on yourself, this will leave you with no anxiety, a focus on the person who matters most (yourself), and a bit of credibility with your colleagues.
No ONE LIKES A SNITCH... this isn't just something you hear about in the ghetto, it's a concept that exists in corporate america too.
Happy Thanksgiving .
TSK TSK,
You wrote "Clearly the penalty-commiter/ cheater wants to win more than you do, and he deserves to"
This is a false assumption, someone will to do anything (without any moral/ethical framework) is not indicative of greater desire to win. It's only indicative of someone without a moral/ethical compass, and uncorrelated to a desire for victory.
What I meant was that the cheater wants (and deserves) to win more than the person who doesn't report them. The logic here is that if you really wanted to win the game, then you'd report the cheater. Otherwise, you deserve to have them beat you.
Hey guys, I have a 2.0 GPA but I know I can still get a great job. I love the markets, and if I put 3.5, nobody will ask questions. Everybody does it, right?
One of the interns where I worked had a 2.3 GPA and he was an intern the summer before too. Just goes to show you how far contacts can go.
very true. our group had over 50 potentials for a position (obviously many target schhol applicants with stellar GPAs) and we chose a non-target with subpar marks because of internship experience, work ethic, and a very pleasant personality. so far this individual has done nothing to disappoint and continues to reaffirm that the right hiring decision was made.
never lie on a resume or in an interview -- it will get you immediately blackballed from the firm and can damange future job prospects if you get into a situation like the OP.
sounds like your group is run by a bunch of meathead retards...
Yes we understand you are a liar and that your integrity is only worth .6 of a GPA. Wow thats cheap! If you were sorry you would stop!
What a loser!
You realise most people struggle to get work experience within their desired ("dream") field, let alone for a top 5! you reaped the full benefits for 8 months (prestige, culture, o/s training, etc, etc) because of inflation....
The one I truly feel sorry for is the next "best" candidate that deserved to get the job, but didnt.....because of u.
At the end of the day its not JUST your gpa that was inflated, but also your ego (whats left of it now).
good luck, but dont expect to start at the top again- work your way up and prove to ur next employer (and mostly yourself) that you are worthy.
Is it be okay to round a 3.48 up to a 3.5 when applying to internships?
So anyone hear of what happened to the OP in the end? As in what is he doing nowadays?
You are a moron. I hope you are black listed. But anyway ,GPA shouldn’t matter. It certainly should be looked at. It certainly should help you stand out if it is high enough to worth mention. Other than that I don’t see why any place has a minimum GPA requirement other than to prevent their resume bank to be diluted with a bunch of ra-tards. There are plenty of individuals with low GPA's that are a million times more competent then 4.0 nerds. There a million 4.0 nerds that are more competent than people with 2.0's. GPA is no indicator of competence in any way shape or form. What is more important is honesty, integrity, intelligence, & work ethic...the quickest way of finding out if any of the aforementioned holds true is by verifying douschebags resumes like Royal Oak.
It's not actually cause ... they fcked up in the background check actually
I rounded my .x7 to the next number - no one cared - i submitted full transcripts when i started
my friend rounded his 3.462 to a 3.5 - that was fine as well.
Don't round tyour 3.44 to a 3.5 though
I know lots of epople who got away with lying about GPA - but what they did was similar to league tables haha basically the footnote of "Updated as of"
Basically he claiemd that he updated the resume as of say last term and didn't include latest grades
Also, most people who lie on heir resume work their ass off to get the GPA up to par by the time they graduate and have to submit transcripts OR they just claim the gpa tanked b/c they fcked around after they get the job
HR doesn't have the time to retroactively calculate your GPA tothe time your resume was printed (this is why a few hundredths is okay)
but if you have all B's on your transcript, don't even think of writing down 3.5+ lol -
its just like in banking man - think a bit about HOW you're lying
I hope you guys realize that this thread is 4 years old.
What this guy said.
Royal Oak: What you did was totally unacceptable. AND what you might do is totally unacceptable. You have got to tell prospective employers your real stats and SHUT UP (sell yourself). As far as explaining your first mistake - I don't know. Believe me, we all understand the desire to bump the grade point average. But, you don't do it because you should strive to tell the truth (except to your wife) AND there are consequences when you don't. The only real chance you have is not including the work experience in question AND DON'T MAKE THE SAME STUPID MISTAKE AGAIN.
Play Poker: The Only thing well said.
Be honest to yourself and admit:
You really made fool out of yourself than your boss: how the hell u couldnt be smart to not strategise..
Well, everybody makes mistakes; and such mitsakes only make you learn committing KOOL mistakes..
Good bet for Short term, BUT LONG RUN, ONE WILL BE F*CKED UP..
Know the payoff; while putting short put to long call..
Gotta become Career activist..
GoodLuck n Cheers..............Mia
Apparently you do not need to be as detailed oriented for IBD as people think.
I think if you put a GPA 4.0, graduated from an Ivy League in 1 semester with a major in mathematics, computer science, finance, you know what why not add all the majors in it, and put down you intern in Goldman Sachs, I think you wouldve been fine. Hell, why not say you were from the Navy Seals.
I find this all funny. The people criticizing the OP all look very silly. You work at banks that literally have been found to been defrauding old ladies out of their homes, retirement savings and nest eggs. You promise people how safe their money is and lost it all. You look people in the eye and lie, you produced fraudulent documents to sell to pension fund investors literally ruining entire countries and none of you are crying about that.
You are just as big as crooks as he is, it is basically an honor amongst thieves attitude here, its ok for you to scam pension fund, asset manager firms and soverign wealth funds, but an analyst scam the bank and you all of a suddenly become holier than thou. PUHLEEZ.
Op was an idiot, lied about things that were easily verifiable. Worst of all he was so stupid he chose to go to a MAJOR bank with a MAJOR HR centre with lots of resources to run background checks. He isn't even a good liar and therefore should not have lied in the first place. That being said he will have a bright future in business because liars and crooks tend to do very very well in business in general and finance in particular. Why, because they figure out ways to cut corners and do things more effectively. Sure sometimes they get caught. If the op was smart he could have easily gotten back in the industry but I don't want to give him any clues on how because he was dumb enough to get caught in the first place.
Frankly I have no clue why he would not just pretend the experience never happened and went into a MM bank. Probably could have got hired with his B grade at an MM when he displayed all his knowledge and either gotten promoted into an associate at a BB on transfer where they don't even care about your grades after the ENTRY analyst level. Or alternatively he could have just worked there for 1 year and transfer into a BB as an analyst and not been far behind. But this goes back to the op not being very smart at all, not even a smart liar.
As for ratting out such an individual. No one likes a tattle tale. I would actually prefer to be in an organization with unethical people like him and a cheater because when anything goes wrong it leaves someone to blame who is known to be unethical and can be the fall guy. More importantly it allows someone who is actually qualified to be closer to achieving their goals. If he couldn't lie right and couldn't pull off the right gpa and was too dumb to get in with his low grades and network (many people with bad grades get in through small firms) it probably means he won't figure out how to do anything else right either.
Which means its easier for me to get to the next level over him. I would prefer to work beside an incompetent cheat like him than a competent honest person, because it makes it that much more easier for me to get to the next level. And my goal is to advance with as little effort as possible.
The OP from this thread really read like a child and I'm surprised he even made it thru interviews. It brings a smile to my face imagining him climbing the corporate ladder through dubious means, maybe getting caught cheating on his wife and falling back to his old "all the guys at the office do it too, babe" defense.
Good read, either times or people were simpler back then. Round your gpa up .1 get the fuck out of here.
edit: upon glancing the OPs posts it seems his dishonesty in the real world carrier well into the cyber world
ur daughters. i'll pray for them. k?
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