Penn state vs OSU vs umich !!!!!! BB IBD plz help!!!

Given the three choices: PSU, OSU, and U-Mich

Go to U-Mich

The fact that I only clicked on this thread because I thought it was going to be about college football should tell you all you need to know about those schools.

That said, the clear choice is UM, by a mile.

As a Senior Penn Stater (in the Nittany Lion Fund), I can attest to the immense experience you gain in the fund, as well as to the level of preparedness it gives its students for careers on Wall Street. There is no question Ross is more highly-regarded than either of your other choices in terms of reputation, faculty, and most likely curriculum, but the PSIA and NLF organizations make up for where Penn State lacks in these regards.

You had a few questions pertaining to the specific percentages of who gets accepted into the fund. While it varies on the amount of positions they need to fill, of about 300-500 students in PSIA per semester, about 30 percent of the students are ambitious enough to apply to per semester (we select students for the Spring and Summer) of the 100+ students, anywhere from 30-50 get first round interviews involving both behavioral and technical information. Of that selection, around 20 get second round interviews. We probably average slightly higher than 10 per semester, depending on the talent and amount of vacant positions.

The Fund does not discriminate against freshmen who have no/little experience. If you pick up the materially quickly and display a hunger to learn, you would have no problem being competitive as a freshmen. Please feel free to shoot me an email if you have any other questions regarding the NLF, Penn State, or anything else..

Seeing as I bleed Blue and White, I am biased against the Maize and Blue (I hate you Lloyd Carr, I hope you rot in hell you worthless fucking douche bag! Fuck you and the 2 seconds you added back onto the clock in order to beat us when we went 11-1. Your replacement is just as bad, but not as evil!) and the Scarlet and Grey (If you thought my comments about Lloyd Carr were bad, don't get me started on Coach Sweater Vest!).

That said, if you get into Ross, go for it hands down. If you get into U-Mich, I would try to transfer into Ross. Hands down, that is your best bet. Between Penn State and Ohio State, I warn you that if you do go to Penn State, you will be hated by every single person you know that goes to Ohio State. I know nothing about the Fisher Futures program, but I know about the Nittany Lion Fund. They are hard to break into at all levels and it's a lot of work. I would recommend joining the PSIA off the get go, as that will definitely help your chances of getting into the fund. It is very hard to get into when I was there and not much has changed since I was at State in terms of the competitive nature of the fund. Plus it's a great networking opportunity, and that goes a long way. Couple the PSIA and Smeal Network with one of the largest networks in the nation, and there is a lot of benefit to be had from it.

And yes, for the record, Joe Paterno is god.

Drex,

I reiterate my point about Paterno. He is god and not even Sweatervest will reach Paterno's mythical 400 win mark.

haha thanks a lot guys your feedback is tons better than the feedback I got before on college confidential I really appreciate it !! Thanks a lot and keep them coming!

I have to completely agree with what the other Penn Staters have said here. As a senior on the Nittany Lion Fund, I can attest to the fact that Penn State definitely has the resources to make you very competitive for the top jobs on Wall Street, provided that you are willing to do the work and network. Fortunately for PSU, having one of the largest alumni bases in the world, really helps you here and you will find that PSU alums are some of the most willing to help and fight for current students at the school in order to arrange office visits, interviews and offer aid during internships and even when working full time. Much of this recent success is due to the Nittany Lion Fund and the reputation it has developed over the past few years, which has led to some increased on campus recruiting, so here is to hoping that momentum continues.

In terms of difficulty in getting into the NLF, it is definitely a competitive process. That being said if you work hard, pick up the material and show a passion and interest in the markets and finance, it is a matter of being able to interview well and getting people to like you in addition to displaying your technical knowledge. While it is a steep learning curve for freshmen, we typically will have 3-4 freshmen come in every year because they put the work in and are clearly bright and humble students. The experiences that you gain in the NLF are unparalleled to many of the experiences I have seen with many of my friends, including the ones at some top targets.

Having decided between PSU and UM myself, I know it is a tough decision to make. Overall, Michigan is definitely a better school, especially if you can get into Ross. However, that is not to say PSU does not provide you everything you need to be successful on Wall Street. I can also say that games in Beaver Stadium blow the Big House out of the water and JoePa >>> RichRod.

In the end, every experience, is what you make of it. I have never regretted my decision to come to PSU and I am extremely appreciative of everything that it has offered me from an educational perspective, while being able to balance it out with having a ton of fun in college. I'll echo the sentiments of my buddy drs5129, so please feel free to reach out to me with any questions about PSU or NLF/PSIA.

I went to PSU, was not involved with the NLF, and I'd say go to Mich if you're serious about getting into banking and that's all you care about.

PSU is great because the education is pretty solid, you're a number in the majority of your classes so you have to be self-motivated, and the atmosphere is unbelievable (Seriously, Halloween is the greatest holiday in State College.)

You have your whole life to work, if you want to get to Wall Street, you're going to figure out a way to make it happen from wherever you go.

THE BIG 10 IS GOOD FOR FOOTBALL NOT ACADEMICS.. how about this 3 way tie? who do yal got? wiscy, osu, sparty?

Umich, Penn State and then OSU. U Mich is a great school and Penn State is closer to Philly and NYC and I feel that it has more alumni on the street. Either way all three schools are well known because of their sports programs and you will be able to bond and network a lot easier.

I went to Syracuse and all I do is talk to people about basketball. I think people on this board discount way too much the value you get when you go to a school with a nationally known sports program.

OSU has a pipeline to P&G, if youre interested in that sorta mediocre midwestern lifestyle

If you are serious about investment banking, you need to go to Penn State. People that are good at PSU get the best jobs on Wall Street and the alumni force is growing faster than at any school in the university. I'd say being in the Lion Fund... you are going to have a very very high probability to get any interview you want. After the Ivy Leagues, PSU is fast becoming the #2 option.

If you get into Ross, this is an easy decision... Ross is almost a target, semi-target at worst.

If you can't get into Ross right away, I'd probably still choose UM and try to transfer in later. Judging by the posts in this thread, it almost seems like it might be easier to transfer into Ross than get into this Nittany fund or whatever. And no matter how good this fund might be, no way can it beat banks coming directly to your school and interviewing kids (which I don't think PSU gets a lot of, but correct me if I'm wrong).

I see guys That is very convincing..Another factor would be that Econ at umich i have heard has a some peps that go to wall street through alumni and clubs............. All in all i love the big 10 horray campus feel but penn state = 7 hours away and umich = 2 hours away which I also have to consider i guess, also my gf is interested in Pre Med and umich is A LOT better than penn state in medicine and so is OSU i am preety sure so I still have to see. By the way if I have said any wrong information then please correct me :D !! Thanks a lot guys and keep them coming!!!

UMich is a great school, but if you don't go to Ross you will not have an easy road when it comes to recruiting. Kind of like going to NYU and not being in Stern.

Whatever you do, do not factor your GF into things. You are 18, looking to go to school, that chick is going to be long gone bro.

Mich Ross >>> OSU/PSU

OSU/PSU >>>> Mich general

As a current Buckeye I can't recommend UM but I can say that IB recruiting at OSU is rough but starting to get better. There is only one BB IBD that recruits on campus and that is for SA only. That being said we are working extremely hard to bring in middle market banks to recruit to try and help make the business school stronger for banking, which has been growing in success recently. PM me if you want some more info.

Ross by 50x.

Yeah, the girlfriend is only going to ruin your freshman year. If you go to PSU, there's a good chance you'll meet a rich sorority girl anyway.

What you kids fail to realize is that nothing changes much over the years. Back in 2001 rutgers was talking about a huge move towards getting BB IBD recruiters. Now look where they are. Still ops and back office.

the choice here is obvious. Go to mich and transfer. If you can't do that, you don't have a shot at BB IBD to begin with so don't even worry about it.

haha thanks idk but I did speak with the president of Michigan's Investment Banking Club and found out that lots of econ majors do get into banking if they network a lot and joining that club might also give me a really nice networking base. I was also thinking about doing the Wall Street Prep progam and becoming certified before college is that possible? I took IB Business and Management and learned some finance and I opened the first investing club in my school district would Ross like that stuff or even Michigan's Investment Banking Club? Another question I have is that should I minor/double major in psycology at umich or minor/double major in financial math if I also major in econ? Again guys thanks for all your comments/recommendations I will consider all of them thanks again!! And keep them coming :D

Anthony is 100% correct.

I see so like a double major in like financial math and economics?

Yeah, Financial Math and Econ sounds good. Engineering, Physics, whatever. Something quant, something challenging. Network hardcore from day 1, try and get a PWM right away to build your resume and when people ask you why you didn't go to Ross tell them you wanted to major in a very quantitative area and felt you could pick up business skills through networking and interning. That will nullify any questions about your non Ross status.

I would probably look into a modeling course after you have an internship or two under your belt. Try and get bloomberg certified from the terminals at Ross. See if you can join Ross clubs, whatever.

This is assuming your can't transfer into Ross. If you can get in I would probably just transfer and get a very high GPA.

Time to address a great deal of stuff....

nycibd, as to academics, clearly you forget that Northwestern is part of the Big Ten and Minnesota, Wisconsin, Penn State and Ohio State are extremely well funded public research schools and have produced a great deal of research in a wide variety of topics. Oh, and Big Ten sports are always discussed from September to March/April on a regular basis between College Football and College Basketball. As Anthony said, he talks 'Cuse basketball all the time, I talk Penn State Football all the time. Sports programs are a huge common denominator (and now that the Big Ten is entering the Division-1 College Hockey arena, it looks like anyone that went to Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth and Yale now has a new bunch of non-targets to talk Hockey with) and makes for a great icebreaker. I remember interviewing with a guy who went to USC and he was complaining to me about the same Michigan game I referenced above, before we even got into the bulk of the interview. It definitely helped break the atmosphere a bit since we found commonality in sports. Plus, you never know who you will be working with that knows about college sports or has a kid who is going to a major sports school. One of the MDs I work with, his daughter goes to Michigan State and he and I regularly talk College Football because of this Big Ten commonality.

Balance, I must humbly disagree. It is much harder to get into finance from Penn State than it is if you are at a place like U-Mich. As great of a recruiting base as Penn State has, it hasn't crosses the threshold into mainstream target/semi-target status yet. While there are a few banks that recruit at Penn State, most of the big names don't recruit from Penn State. This is definitely balanced by the alumni network, but from a pure recruitment standpoint, attending Ross or transferring into Ross from another UMich major/school/undeclared status will help more in that regards.

Botique, it's possible to get into IBD from anywhere. I have a friends who I graduated with that work IBDs at places like Stifel, Goldman, JP Morgan and UBS. I've got friends who work for McKinsey, Bain, BCG and Booz Allen. A Well Known school coupled with great academics and a large alumni network can do just as good as coming out from a top school.

Downtown, Penn State has the largest alumni network in the Big Ten and is Top-3 in US by size if I recall correctly, not UMich. Penn State gets a ton of OCR opportunities, although that question is best suited for the guys that currently attend, not an Alumnus like me.

And to the OP, never base your decision on the Girlfriend. You go where you want to and let the rest fall into place accordingly.

Frieds and anthony thanks for your responses It really helped me understand some things. I hope to do well and I wish you guys all do well too thanks a lot everybody who posted I also understand the Gf portion.I feel like a place like Umich has maybe less alumni base but has a strong quality alumni base. idk. I will work hard regardless to get into Ross or even if not that work on networking and joining those investment banking clubs in UMich or even penn state. Lets just hope some of my amazing activities liek creating business, and the business club in my district helps me get into ross prefered admit that would make life easier lol thanks a lot everybody. and keep them coming !!!!!!!!

UMich just made a new banking club in 2007 here is the website if u want to check it out

http://www.umich.edu/~mibc/whoAreWe.html

Randomly seeing a lot of first years coming from PSU. Rumor that GS has penn state as a target school now?

slowslowquickquick it isn't a rumor GS made us an official target last year i believe... we've placed a bunch of kids at GS both this year and in years prior... all the banks are going to start converting the school to target status in due time... virtually all of our kids who intern get return offers...

Rufio,

You're missing the point. Having read the journal article already and having graduated from Penn State, I speak from firsthand experience when I say that the article looks at the whole picture and not just banking. Penn State has a major presence in many non-banking fields, however when it comes to recruiting for IBD/Asset Management/PWM Penn State doesn't have the recruiting presence of other schools. I know where I work does not recruit at Penn State for any position and the only Penn Staters I know who work there either had a connection or found a job at my shop by themselves. That's why most of the people here stress it's not what you know but who you know and where you went to school.

Penn State is a phenomenal school, a Top-50 university and a Top-15 public university. I wouldn't trade my four years at University Park (back when Mezzanine was known as The Crowbar and had live bands and great acts 6 nights a week before it was converted to The Cell Block or when the 24 hour late night library used to be on the first floor of Pollock Library and there was an arcade called Playland that is now taken up The Family Clothing Store I believe, or the lingere shop that used to be Omega Bank, or my favorite Pizzeria, Corranados Pizza FKA Goppers Pizza aka The Gop at 114 Hetzel Street, used to be ran by an aging hippy stoner named The Gop and is now ran by his mother since he's in jail, and I can go on with this stuff for ages.) for any other experience in the world. We're not saying that isn't a good place to get an education. What we are saying is that banks tend to be selective in where they recruit, so attending a school that they target would be beneficial for your chances to get the job you want.

We're not saying that work ethic doesn't count for anything. Trust me, I don't discount the Big Ten work ethic and get along better with coworker who come from state schools and major sports schools than I do my Ivy League counterparts. It's not the lower level guys who make the hiring decisions, and as long as you have people at the top who want to keep their selection limited, you have to find your own way regardless of school.

Ultimately it does come down to where the firms target their applicant base. Until Penn State becomes a firm target school, other schools would rank above it if you want to do banking. As I said, I'm a few years out of the undergrad, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but this tends to be the case.

Frieds, I agree with some of what you said, but I definitely did not miss the point. A lot has changed with the university (as you mentioned) especially in the vein of recruiting. Almost all of the big firms are recruiting at Smeal for internships (FO and BO) and as a current student who just went through the full time recruiting cycle (successfully) I would argue that I have more perspective on this than most.

I didn't say that PSU was a better school for IB recruiting than Ross, though I guarantee our Fund kids smoke candidates from that school in interviews (at least I did and my friends in the Fund who are gainfully employed did). The bottom line is that many people don't want to give our business program the props it deserves for its ability to place kids onto the street. It's getting to a point where firms have are going to have no choice but to actively recruit for all manner of positions from our school because we are that good at what we do. NLF has 100% placement for kids who want street jobs. If you go to PSU and you want to work on the street badly enough you will get an offer somewhere; that's a fact.

Any current student would agree that this is the goal of our business school and one that will be accomplished in the foreseeable future. A paradigm shift is currently being made.

hmm I see well you both make valid points and I can see both prospectives because this summer I went to Penn state for there stock market madness camp and had fun. Also 3 Nittany lion fund managers where there teaching us things, and they said that the recriuting for the nittany lion fund as a freshman is really interest base and if you communicate that to the recruiters, and also that 3-4 went to goldman and pretty much the rest went to BAC, JPM, and meriil. People tell me that I am ahead but I dont feel like that helps much anywaasy cuz if somebody is even slightly smarter then that takes over interest and passion I feel like. But both are good both have great alumni, great education, great horray big 10 feel, but UMich is 2 hours away and penn state is 7-8 , and penn state costs like 40k a year and umich is 50k, the Investment banking club in UMich is new but still does decently i hear, and I also hear that like 1/2 of the econ students at UMich go into consulting or banking, and JPM likes to recriut some, Citi i hear does and merril and 1 or 2 goldman and some other banks. Guys Please feel free to correct if i am stating my data wrong or agree witht it if i am saying it right. Thanks a lot guys, and keep it coming !!!

I've never met anyone from PSU or OSU since I've been up here. There are some UM kids though. It has nothing to do with the capability of students because trust me I've worked with people from UM who are much better and more enjoyable than people from Harvard and Yale. It's tough to break into if you dont go to a target. Go to UM it's thr best school of the three academically and I'd imagine socially they are all pretty similar. I don't know anyone who went to Penn State, but have known people who went to the others and had a good time. I also don't understand how kids know they want to do banking before college. My advice is go to the best school that you get into that you would gave a fun time attending. Work hard in school, get good grades, do stupid stuff and don't take yourself too seriously and everything will work out from there.

haha I understand that point but I am very mature for my age, I feel like I wanna have fun in college, but I also need a path planned out. I do kinda feel out of place because I read the wall street journal and read books on what investment banking is and private equity and things like that and I feel like that is the career for me. I feel like I would like the work. When I tell my friends this they just look at me like wtf hes crazy..... Some people just are haters I guess so I just brush them off ,but I love the stock market and keeping up with it, I love to talk with people I love math so some adults/teachers told me to look at careers in finance and from there I read books and thats how I came up with liking investment banking then maybe after the analyst years private equity. haha I must seem so weird.......

Just remember one thing; life is about the journey, not just the destination.

I understand you think you've found your calling already but you have no idea how much your life and your perspective on things will change over the next 4 years. College is a completely transformative experience. You wouldn’t believe how many people graduate with a completely different degree or career plan then the one they came expecting to leave with. I’d say that is the norm not the exception.

While it’s generally been said already in above posts, I’ll add my two cents since I am [a proud] Penn State alum. Even as of a few years ago, the business school was getting plenty of the big names coming to recruit for FO banking/trading SA positions (Goldman, Merrill, Bear, Credit Suisse to name a few). So don’t think you’ve shot yourself in the foot for OCR by not attending a target. Besides, we all know OCR isn’t the only way to make it happen. Sure, its nice and helpful having everyone come to you when you’re at a target but there are plenty of ways to make yourself standout and catch peoples’ attention - even when they aren’t constantly throwing themselves in your face with networking and recruiting events. I will say that it was a very gratifying experience having to go down the road less traveled and yet still finding the success I was looking for.

I could easily write you a novel about why to go to Penn State and probably add another layer or two of changes to most of the locations Frieds mentioned but we all know like any good Nittany Lion, I’d just be incredibly biased against Ohio State or Michigan. In all seriousness though, the good thing here is that all of the schools you mentioned will give you a great, well rounded, college experience. If in one, two, four years from now you still want to go into banking, I know it sounds cliché, but you will find a way to make it happen no matter where you end up. Will it be easier doing it at Ross? Most likely. Is that the only thing that matters? I don't think so.

My advice, go visit them all if you haven’t already and make sure you don’t just consider what the school can help you achieve after you leave, but what type of experience you’ll get while there.

well put WxOnWallStreet I like your advice and I will visit all of them and decide. because if i do get in preferd admit i think i will have it nailed down but that is def somethign to look at when deciding between Umich ( not ross) and Penn state smeal and OSU fisher thanks a lot

I concur with WxOnWallStreet, make the best decision for you at the present taking into account what your interests are but don't get too caught up early on with long term career plans. College is an exciting time and you should enjoy it, savor the moments with friends at parties and enjoy the overall environment to its fullest. As a senior set to graduate in a few short weeks I am trying to soak up all the best I have left before moving to the next milestone.

You'll meet awesome people at any school so make the best choice for you (all Big 10 competitiveness aside the schools you got into are solid schools and you should feel privileged to attend any of them) and don't let others provide too much pressure one way or another. The advice my brother gave me before going to school was this... "Treat school as your full time job during the week. You never have to miss a party... but don't be the first one there and don't be the last one to leave. Learn from others and have an open mind and you'll do fine kid."

haha thanks i see

Not that I speak for WX or Rufio, but I assume that they are similar to me in that questions would not be turned away, if you have any questions don't hesitate to PM any of us about Penn State.

I say this repeatedly but ask questions and PM the poster if you have any concerns. WE don't bite and we're all good about responding. If you have a knowledge base, don't be shy about using it.

There is no question that Ross is a target.

This is a ridiculous thread.

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If you want to try hard to get into banking, you'll have your best shot with PSU because you'll have the best alumni network of the three campuses and also the best student org of the three campuses. Need I say more? I'm not arguing that Penn State is a better school academically -- but if you are already gung-ho about banking and couldn't get into an Ivy... I think there's an easy case to make for going to Penn State over the others.

If you are nerd and you just want to get into banking with your high GPA, yeah Ross is your best call. If you are a real person and also want to kill it at a BB... the choice is obviously Penn State

haha i see lol so UMich is a nerd school ? lol cuz i feel they have good quality alumni base

lol how many PSU grads are in IB @ a BB from last year's class? I have so many high school friends that went to PSU, graduated with 3.8+ GPAs while in the honors college, and never heard a peep from any BBs wrt recruiting. Shit look at where the people @ the top of the business school there are working now. The one guy I know who is in IB @ GS from Penn St. slaved away his entire 4 years more than anybody I know at any school. He could have alternatively gone to Ross or a target and not killed his soul doing death/sweatshop internships all 3 summers to get into IB.

Michigan (Ross) is going to be your best bet if you want to get into high finance. Otherwise, do well at any of those schools and you will have good prospects for F500/Accenture/Deloitte/etc. type jobs that pay well and can lead to a more relaxing lifestyle.

At this point I can't even tell if Balance is trolling.

drexelalum11:

Balance:

After the Ivy Leagues, PSU is fast becoming the #2 option.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Dude, I don't dislike Penn State, I have some good friends who went there, but please, try not to fuck up kids' lives with advice like that.

Wow, I'm not one to rag on schools with less prestige, but that is a joke. That being said, you can get into IBD from any school if you are determined enough.

gopadub:

and of course I am interested in investment banking and then prolly private equity after being an analyst. I have also read Rosenbaum's book: Investment banking ( recommended by the president of the MIBC), this sparked my interest for this career as well.

Seriously, you are a senior in high school. You need to learn what investment banking and private equity actually are before you plan the next 10 years of your life. And no, you don't know about them just from reading a book. You are lucky that you've identified this interest early, and now you can network and prepare to get an advantage over other candidates. A lot changes during your 4 years in college. Maybe you decide to be a stay-at-home dad, who knows?

Hey guys thanks for all the advice. I have alos been networking with the president of the Fishers Futures program for OSU to know better so i might be able to join as a freshman.( i think 2 every year are asked to join as sophmore and 10-12 are chosen to join junior year. I think 1 every 2 years or so is selected to join as frosh.

Here is link http://fisher.osu.edu/offices/career-management/student-resources/under…

please tell me what you guys think about this program and if you have heard anyhting about it on the street?

Are you seriously debating this? Go to Michigan. Don't be a pansy freshman year -- get all 4.0s. Then get into Ross sophomore year and you're golden. See you on Wall Street!

Go to UMich and apply to Ross after your freshman year. The vast majority of Ross (~80%) are NOT preferred admits. It is not hard to get into Ross as a freshman, the acceptance rate is around 40%, average GPA is 3.6. As long as you write a good essay, it's not hard to get in with a 3.4. Regardless, if you can't pull a 3.5+ GPA in UMich's liberal arts college (LSA), then no school will help you get into IB.

Once you're a sophomore in Ross, your freshman GPA is wiped clean, which helps if you're like me and had a terrible GPA going in. As for those that say the workload is "insane", or that it's super competitive, I disagree. That might be true for Stern, Wharton, or Haas, but honestly, that isn't the case here. Aside from a couple of core classes when you start (Accounting), classes are curved to an A-, and the required course load is pretty light.

As far as being a "target" goes, Ross (you can easily get in if you put some effort, as many get in without really trying) is in a whole different league than PSU or OSU. There's a TON of kids going to BBs, at least 50-60 per year, and 50-60 internships All the major banks, plus a lot of boutiques, recruit and interview here.

Don't even think twice about this, go to UMich and then go to Ross. It will give you a huge advantage for IB, not to mention its still a Big 10 party school (if you care about that) in an awesome town.

So, I think its clear that OSU is the correct answer to this question. I mean Terrelle Pryor has really grown this year and Boom Herron is a true running threat right up the middle. That being said - why no mention of Wisconsin and Michigan State? Wisconsin has put up like 150 the last two weeks. Bret Bilema is one ugly fucker. that is true. - good pt.

WOW I can't believe some of the comments of these Penn State folk. If the OP is set on investment banking, THE CHOICE IS MICHIGAN HANDS DOWN. You can have fun at any school, but not every school will have most of the top banks interviewing 12-24 students per year for front office positions.

mkballer:

Are you seriously debating this? Go to Michigan. Don't be a pansy freshman year -- get all 4.0s. Then get into Ross sophomore year and you're golden. See you on Wall Street!

Ridiculous comment. The work only BEGINS once you get in.

Hey guys thanks alot. I really mean it. I was wondering is the Wall street prep any good for before undergrad finance because I was hoping to do somethign like that too also give me another edge other than my business club. Thanks alot again since I live in Ohio the Fishers Future guy wants to meet me so ill also ask him but I would really appreciate your comments concerning it because you guys are currently in the field. Thanks a ton again and yea I hope to see you guys on Wall street as well!!

The point is that UMich = Ross. There's no reason he wouldn't be accepted into Ross with his determined mindset; it's certainly easier than getting into IB from PSU or OSU.

Yea I def have to get in Ross i understand that but i was just comparing umich (non ross) vs the other 2 schools thats all but I know that i have to 100% work and get into Ross my soft year.

If I were you, I'd gamble for Ross.

That aside, why haven't you looked at Kelley? That's a better option for IB than PSU and OSU.

Hey yea well kelley is an option and i already got accepted. The only thing is that its gonna cost 42kish and unless its umich ( which i believe will be 50kish) i dont want to pay of 40k penn state is 32kish, and OSU is basically free because my parents work there and i will prolly get academic scholarships to all if i do get my IB diploma ( nebraska called me saying that if i get my IB diploma the will accept me as a mid year junior in college...... thats crazy i mean whats next... its like right when you get accepted they tell u to go straight to the career center lol) But yea and goldman made OSU and Penn state a target recently I heard also merril, BAC, JPM and Barclays recruit students from both schools only diff is that OSU has like 11 people in their Fisher futures club and they all wrok in decent BBs and Penn states NLF has like 30 managers in it which all get BBs for sure penn state is prolly the better option but it is also slightly competitve of course than OSU. And of course UMich (Ross) is a target for all BBs prolly even some private equity firms like Blackstone ( which I heard only recruits like 100 summer interns junior year of the students) but Idk all these colleges have investment banking clubs and trading clubs which place students but I was thinking of making a Private equity club at UMich fi I go there idk I will see. Please keep them coming I appreciate all feed back!!

Kind of ridiculous. Clear choice to go to Michigan. Even if you don't get into Ross, you still have a shot at banking if you put in the time/effort. I know way more non-Ross kids that got into IBD than bschool PSU/OSU kids.

PSU and OSU are targets now? Damn should have gone to them instead of Harvard.