Pro's and Con's of each major city

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Not trying to start a "which city is the best" war, but rather, compile a list of the pros and cons of each major city for banking/investments/partying/girls/sin/etc

New York
Pros:
Center of the financial world, opportunities on every corner, almost every concieveable financial product is traded there

Cons:
Expensive, base Ibanking salary does not go far, gold diggers, cuthroat mentality, strong target school compitetion

Chicago
Pros:
Midwest mentality, laid back, cheaper to live compared to NYC, money goes further, people are generally nicer

Cons:
Less opportunities, fat women, called the second city for a reason
The weather in Chicago is absolutely atrocious, it's always extreme. Extremely cold, rainy, snowy, windy, humid, hot - it's terrible. Even a city where it rains 5 days a week like Portland is more enjoyable for weather.

Detroit
pros:
cheapest real estate in the country for a big city?
royal oaks is a decent area and I was able to find surprisingly a few local good places to eat (vegetarian, etc.)
the people still left are actually nice from the exposure I've had, they were born there, they will die there.
I remember I stayed at a Marriot a few times in Troy, which was right outside Detroit. They had a whole foods and a heavy police presence in the area (didn't seem needed though). Getting into Detroit and around is very easy, traffic is a joke compared to other cities.

cons:
too many to list.... I would not recommend going here unless you have a specific reason. It's future is very speculative and the weather is bad. Reminds me of Oakland, but does not have immediate access to cooler areas (SF, Berkeley) like Oakland.

Atlanta

Pros
- Weather is great 7-9 months out of the year (Basically throughout the whole year except for a couple of summer months and a couple of winter months)
- I'll disagree and say the nightlife is pretty great, with many different options throughout the city. Whether you're looking for massive clubs, hipster bars or anything in between, ATL kinda has all of it and tons of each
- Local talent is not that bad. There are tons of colleges & universities in the metro area (and so many more within a 1-2 hour drive)
- Culinary/Restaurant scene is blowing up
- Great place to start a family
- Overall, a fraction of the cost of other large cities (NYC, LA, SF, CHI)

Cons
- Traffic is terrible and there isn't any viable public transportation. Also, parking is shitty.
- Weather during the peak summer months is simply unbearable (temperature/humidity/etc)
- There are definitely some sketchy parts of town that sometimes bleed into other areas of ATL. As a result, crime can seriously be a problem.
- The metro area is a prime example of urban sprawl.

Houston
Pros:
Hot women, Ballers in energy
Cons:
You're in texas, hard to break in if you aren't from there, very tight knit community (which could be a pro)

Dallas
Pros:
Gorgeous Women
No Traffic
Down to earth and friendly people
Low Taxes
Super cheap cost of living
Reasonably Good Weather
Can have a car
Decent number of HFs PE firms for its size

Cons:
Not a huge finance hub like NYC/SF/Chi/Hou,
Overwhelming Texas culture when going out (could be a pro)
35K millionaire/ SMU trust fund babies
Most people went to either Texas, A&M, TexasTech or SMU which all have very different cultures than typical Wall St. target schools
far from most attractive travel destinations

LA

Pros:
- Great weather. I think only Hawaii and San Diego have better weather.
- Hot women. Cream of the crop. Chicks take care of themselves and many come with Ds.
- Solid nightlife. Something for everyone from dives to super trendy clubs.
- More bang for your buck than NYC / SF
- You can have a car if you want to (apartments usually come with parking spots)
- Access to mountains, beaches, and everything in between.

Cons:
- Finance is definitely backseat to the entertainment industry. Don't expect people to give two shits about which bank you work for.
- Traffic. Lots to do but takes a long time to get there if you don't plan appropriately.
- No real city center. Trying to gentrify downtown but they are kidding themselves as downtown is a piece of shit and far from the westside. Multiple mini-city centers instead.
- Cheaper than NYC and SF but still need a fuckton of money to live comfortably.
- Chicks are hotter but you're going to have to be more aggressive to get them than you might have to be up in SF.
- Professional sporting events are basically gang hangouts. If you want to pass on the thug passion you're going to have to shell out the bucks for field level seats.

San Fran
Pros:
Tech center USA, layed back, smoke weed everyday mentality
Most beautiful city in america, perfect climate (super temperate)
perfect weather, scenery
people are more health conscious
public transportation (for example: in SF, you can live in an adjacent city (Fremont) and still make your way to the financial district via public transportation in reasonable time...in Dallas, this is note the case)
the place to be if you like tech i.e. Houston for energy

Cons:
insane COL
homeless people everywhere
politics can be so left winged that it almost comes full circle
housing is expensive
Taxes are outrageous, you have to pay a 4% health tax on your meal, WTF
night life stops early, 1:30AM
Lack of hot women. The talent out here are slim pickings and even the fugly bitches think they are hot and they all come with attitude
hipster motherfuckers that like to ride their stupid little bicycles as if they own the fucking road. Got into a fist fight once.
overall anti-finance and anti-business
aggressive bums that will follow you into stores
parking is expensive and parking tickets are even worst

London

Pros
- Proper broker culture
- center of the world, best in class for EM
- Really fit birds from all other the world
- Party scene is too much to take
- No one wears oversized suits to works (unless they are FOB from the US)
- Couple hours away to Italy to get custom fit shirts
- One stone throw away to get some slick shoes
- A train ride away to get some proper suits in Paris
- You can vacation anywhere in Europe and jetset for cheap ;)

Cons
- One of the most expensive city to live in
- Weather is shit (which is why you have to travel away every week end)
- Tough banking culture
- One of the most overbroked market in the world, you are running the rat race against the elite of every European schools. Everybody is getting fired at the moment...
- Everybody is pissed on Thursdays and Friday's are a nightmare to survive
- Taxes are WAY over the top

Hong Kong
Pros:
- Winter Weather
- Crazy nightlife
- Crazy Outdoors life
- Cheap
- Great transport
- Excellent basepoint for Asian travel

Cons:
- Summer weather
- Pollution
- Food

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Nov 12, 2011 - 1:03pm
spaceagecowboy:
DC

Pros- Great place to raise a family, clean, one of the best metro systems in the country

Cons:Mostly gub'ment jobs, ugly women, 495 can get nasty during rush hour,

This.

But if you can break into defense company jobs, those can take you pretty far. They got 40 mil. dollar mansions in Northern Virginia where the PE and Defense guys stay at.

Nov 7, 2011 - 4:21pm

New York

Pros: not only center of financial world, but the hub of civilization

Cons: it smells like dog piss on every corner

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Nov 7, 2011 - 4:21pm
porsche959:

Chicago
Pros: Midwest mentality, laid back, cheaper to live compared to NYC, money goes further, people are generally nicer
Cons: Less opportunities, fat women, called the second city for a reason

Chicago actually has a good amount of quality tail. Not as much as NYC, but better than to be expected. When I think of Midwest chicks though, I think of fatties.

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Nov 7, 2011 - 4:27pm
porsche959:
Solidarity:
Nah, the suburban girls from the Chicago / Illinois / Barrington areas have been some of the hottest I've ever seen

Werd. naperville bitties are also fine. Same with some lincoln park abr scene girls..

Money tends to have that effect on girls

Nov 7, 2011 - 4:36pm

LA seems up your alley if partying, coke and bimbos are your thing. And banking wise you have the remnants of UBS to work for. Personally I could not imagine driving 40 minutes to a club.

Nov 11, 2011 - 4:04am
kmzz:
monkeyc:
LA seems up your alley if partying, coke and bimbos are your thing. And banking wise you have the remnants of UBS to work for. Personally I could not imagine driving 40 minutes to a club.

it's all about your positioning. driving 5 miles (aka 40 mins) doesnt sound too bad :)

lived in westside LA 2 yrs. very nice. dating scene beats all (SF, NYC, DC), hands down.

Nov 7, 2011 - 4:45pm
porsche959:

San Fran
Pros: Tech center USA, layed back, smoke weed everyday mentality
Cons: ?

Pros: Tech scene is palpable and there's a lot of people on both the tech and finance sides with really cool stories; Lots of people are health and fitness-minded so you don't really have those monstrously obese people; People outside of work don't give a fuck about how "prestigious" your school was; a shitload of young Millionaires (and Billionaires), especially out in the valley; lack of crazy fundamentalist Christians

Cons: BUMS EVERYWHERE; HIPSTERS EVERYWHERE; More expensive than any other city in this discussion except NYC (both taxes and COL); Collectivist ethos and backwards governance at the city and state level (and the national! lol); People who don't know what the fuck they're talking about will try to hate on you for being in Finance; People that are so open minded their brains are spilling out of their heads

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Nov 9, 2011 - 3:49am
Nouveau Richie:
porsche959:

San Fran
Pros: Tech center USA, layed back, smoke weed everyday mentality
Cons: ?

Pros: Tech scene is palpable and there's a lot of people on both the tech and finance sides with really cool stories; Lots of people are health and fitness-minded so you don't really have those monstrously obese people; People outside of work don't give a fuck about how "prestigious" your school was; a shitload of young Millionaires (and Billionaires), especially out in the valley; lack of crazy fundamentalist Christians

Cons: BUMS EVERYWHERE; HIPSTERS EVERYWHERE; More expensive than any other city in this discussion except NYC (both taxes and COL); Collectivist ethos and backwards governance at the city and state level (and the national! lol); People who don't know what the fuck they're talking about will try to hate on you for being in Finance; People that are so open minded their brains are spilling out of their heads

Pros - Most beautiful city in america, perfect climate (super temperate)
Cons - utter lack of hot girls (too cold for them), possibility of earthquakes, CA taxes

Nov 7, 2011 - 4:56pm

Being from NY I can tell you the one other place I would consider working is in Houston. Pros: Tremendous opportunity/growth in energy industry, hot ass blondes everywhere, COL/taxes (none of that 6% city tax bull shit), Red State, no hipsters/libs, people way friendlier, less general emphasis on the rat race, great/affordable golf courses, offshore fishing. Cons: It is humid/hot as fuck. Excessively fat people bother me.

Nov 8, 2011 - 9:43am
JDawg:
somebody do Tokyo. btw the "bookmark" feature doesn't work.

Doesn't work if you click My Bookmarks, but if you bookmark a thread, click on My Discussions, and then click on the Bookmarks tab it does.
Nov 8, 2011 - 9:55am

Tokyo

pros: you will very rarely encounter fat people, very good-looking chicks for the most part(stylish, etc.), if you cant get laid here, you will not get laid anywhere, awesome transit system.

cons: earthquake-prone, rush hour transit is a mess, polluted but not as much as say Beijing or Shanghai, food prices are ridiculously high, hardly anyone can speak passable English.

Nov 8, 2011 - 2:22pm

Chicago

Pros: relatively cheap, you get a lot for your buck, very clean, great parks and lake, best summer city in the U.S., nice and laid-back people, hot girls, bars/clubs that open late, pretty good restaurants

Cons: brutal weather, not the best place for finance, tough to "fit" in if you're not a midwestern/big 10 person, can feel provincial for a big city.

Nov 8, 2011 - 2:50pm
Brady4MVP:
Chicago

Pros: ....best summer city in the U.S., ..., hot girls,...

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!??!

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Nov 8, 2011 - 3:00pm
Plastic Cup Boys:
Brady4MVP:
Chicago

Pros: ....best summer city in the U.S., ..., hot girls,...

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!??!

truth. theres a beach downtown. hot girls walking around in bikinis is a definite plus in the summer.

Nov 8, 2011 - 7:01pm

The weather in Chicago is absolutely atrocious, it's always extreme. Extremely cold, rainy, snowy, windy, humid, hot - it's terrible. Even a city where it rains 5 days a week like Portland is more enjoyable for weather. Pretty much any city along the coasts have much better summers - San Diego seems to win the best weather in the united states in surveys, LA is basically the same just with more pollution and traffic. Chicago does have the largest options exchange in the world, for whatever that is worth.

Cities that have a big college presence tend to have the the most girls (Chicago does not - DePaul is about it). Also, in the south women seem to care more about their appearance. In Chicago, girls will roll out of bed looking like crap and walk around in sweats all day; that is definitely not the norm in a city like Dallas where a woman will get herself ready to go to the mailbox.

For food, Chicago has really come up in the restaurant scene, although a place like D.C. still has way more trendy New American/World restaurants and Chicago will never have the number of flagships that NYC offers like Danielle. That being said, it's definitely something you will miss if you move from there to say anywhere in the south where the restaurant scene is mediocre at best.

Chicago is incredibly easy to navigate, NYC would be to if you didn't have to occupy your car for 30 minutes to get 2 blocks. D.C. is easily the worst since the roads were laid out to trick invaders. SF has the most character and although it has a high COL, you actually get something for it unlike in Manhattan.

Depending on what your job looks like though, it doesn't really matter where you live if you don't have the time or money to partake in the amenities.

Nov 9, 2011 - 2:35pm
nate1749:

For food, Chicago has really come up in the restaurant scene, although a place like D.C. still has way more trendy New American/World restaurants and Chicago will never have the number of flagships that NYC offers like Danielle. That being said, it's definitely something you will miss if you move from there to say anywhere in the south where the restaurant scene is mediocre at best.

Chicago has a few really good restaurants : alinea, next, ria, spiaggia and black bird

Nov 9, 2011 - 4:33pm
nonfatlatte:
nate1749:

For food, Chicago has really come up in the restaurant scene, although a place like D.C. still has way more trendy New American/World restaurants and Chicago will never have the number of flagships that NYC offers like Danielle. That being said, it's definitely something you will miss if you move from there to say anywhere in the south where the restaurant scene is mediocre at best.

Chicago has a few really good restaurants : alinea, next, ria, spiaggia and black bird

Oh I think the food in Chicago is great especially when compared to most other cities, but in my opinion it lags behind D.C. and NYC in the areas I mentioned above. It's making progress though, the chef at Girl & The Goat won best new chef this year from Food & Wine - I don't think that would have happened 5 years ago.

Overall I think Chicago is a great place to live. It's affordable, it's easy to get around, the public transit system is good (and if you ever go to Dallas/San Diego/Atlanta/L.A. you'll probably think the public transit in Chicago is awesome), the people are nicer than the east coast, but certainly not as nice as the south. The only major negative, and it's a big one, is the weather. In the winter all these cold fronts come down from Canada and for a few years it's tolerable, but after awhile negative 5 and 20mph winds becomes very taxing.

Someone asked about parking in Chicago. For a spot in the loop (downtown area, which is the lamest area to live, but you'll be close to work) it'll run you $200-350, you might pay a little more depending on the specific building, but you probably won't.. and shouldn't. Outside of the loop it'll go down by up to 50% and depending on your specific area you might even be able to do street parking w/o much hassle (which means free, minus your yearly permit that costs $60 or whatever). $600/month, wow, so if you make 200K a year you are spending ~5% of your gross income on a 8x10 piece of pavement.

Nov 14, 2011 - 3:03am
RagnarDanneskjold:
This may sound strange but how much does it cost to park your car in Chicago (average)? I pay $600+/month in Manhattan and feel like I'm being financially raped (I am).

HOLY....WTF?! I pay $220 a month for garage parking in Chicago and I thought that was expensive. But you are talking about NYC...Manhattan specifically. Is that the average there?

Nov 11, 2011 - 12:40am
nonfatlatte:
Aero:
Hong Kong

Cons:
- Summer weather
- Pollution
- Food

HongKong has both great street food and high end cuisine (especially Japanese I think)

Street food is shit...unless you like fishballs? (Taco Truck is great, but out of the way)

I agree fine dining is to be had... but that's expensive to do on the reg. I mean there are good spots like Blue Smoke and some places in Knuttsford Terrace and even Ebeneezers is great drunk food, but on the whole, it's got nothing on any American city really.

I'll admit I don't any sushi/seafood though which hurts matters in HK.

Nov 8, 2011 - 10:50pm

Can anyone do one for Dallas? Are Dallas and Houston very different? I have the opportunity to be relocated to Dallas and am seriously considering it: no state income tax, low COL, I'd get to drive for my commute instead of relying on shitty public transport (I absolutely love driving, btw; huge car enthusiast here), beautiful company campus, etc.

I'm young, single, straight out of college and have been working in Boston for only three months.

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Nov 8, 2011 - 11:44pm
Rana Clamitans:
Can anyone do one for Dallas? Are Dallas and Houston very different? I have the opportunity to be relocated to Dallas and am seriously considering it: no state income tax, low COL, I'd get to drive for my commute instead of relying on shitty public transport (I absolutely love driving, btw; huge car enthusiast here), beautiful company campus, etc.

I'm young, single, straight out of college and have been working in Boston for only three months.

First of all, I pity you. Boston is full of ugly women that won't even say "hello" back to you if you say it to them while passing them on the street. That's not to say everyone in DFW/Htown would say hello, but you're definitely more likely to smile at someone on the street and receive one in return. If you're a driving enthusiast, the only worse place than Boston for driving is probably Baghdad in 2003. You can get out in the country within 45 minutes of Dallas and Houston. Houston is especially great, as you can drive over to the east side of town and Pasadena by the ship channel and see all the glowing lights of the refineries at night. Really cool drive IMO.

People
I've lived in both places, though. Dallas is more white collar as a whole, Houston is more blue collar with all the refineries, ship channel etc. Watch the movie "Urban Cowboy" and you'll see what I'm talking about for Houston. Watch the series "Dallas" (especially the new revamped series coming out next summer) and you'll see what I'm talking about for Dallas. Each has their share of nouveau wealth, old money, etc. but there's a little bit more nouveau wealth in Dallas than Houston. It's not that there are more wealthy people in Dallas versus Houston, it's just that Dallas doesn't have has big of an industrial area like Houston to counterbalance it. The 35K millionaire stereotype started in Dallas, I often wonder just how many people are barely staying afloat financially. Big hair and big tits still rule Dallas, probably one of the few places where guys gawk at their prom dates' moms as much as they do at their prom dates. Dallas is a little snootier from my experience.

Weather
Dallas has better weather IMO. No humidity like Houston and it actually does get cold in the winter, with a few inches of snow definitely possible.

Food/Culture
Houston hands down. Houston has the second most restaurants per capite (NYC is first) in America and the food is off the charts. You get great Cajun food from nearby Louisiana, crawfish season/boils are always big in Htown. Other seafood is also fresh from the nearby Gulf. Barbecue is excellent of course (at least for city BBQ), soul food is great. Tex-Mex is obviously the best. But Houston also has great Vietnamese food, great Nigerian food (biggest concentration of Nigerians in US save for NYC), great "insert-your-country here" food. Houston is definitely not some podunk town when it comes to food or culture. It's so much more of an international city than Dallas could ever be. Both cities have great art, symphonies, etc.

Women
Toss-up, but if I had to chose I'd go with Dallas. Like the wealth thing, it's not like there's more beautiful women in Dallas than Houston, it's just there aren't as many fatasses in Dallas as Houston.

City Layout
Dallas and Fort Worth are surrounded by suburbs (think like a spider web, a lot more like the Boston area with suburbs backing up to each other), Houston just has dots of suburbs that don't necessarily border each other. Houston is incredibly large in land area (almost 600 square miles) and basically has multiple "city centers" with Uptown, Downtown, etc. There's pockets of wealth that live in Dallas itself, but there's a larger amount of wealthy people that live in Houston itself. Downtown Houston sucks, Dallas is a little better, but neither city is like a NYC, Philly, Boston where there is some awesome nightlife centered downtown. The bar/club areas in Dallas/Houston tend to be concentrated away from downtown.

Nov 9, 2011 - 7:15am
westsidewolf1989:
Rana Clamitans:
Can anyone do one for Dallas? Are Dallas and Houston very different? I have the opportunity to be relocated to Dallas and am seriously considering it: no state income tax, low COL, I'd get to drive for my commute instead of relying on shitty public transport (I absolutely love driving, btw; huge car enthusiast here), beautiful company campus, etc.

I'm young, single, straight out of college and have been working in Boston for only three months.

First of all, I pity you. Boston is full of ugly women that won't even say "hello" back to you if you say it to them while passing them on the street. That's not to say everyone in DFW/Htown would say hello, but you're definitely more likely to smile at someone on the street and receive one in return. If you're a driving enthusiast, the only worse place than Boston for driving is probably Baghdad in 2003. You can get out in the country within 45 minutes of Dallas and Houston. Houston is especially great, as you can drive over to the east side of town and Pasadena by the ship channel and see all the glowing lights of the refineries at night. Really cool drive IMO.

People
I've lived in both places, though. Dallas is more white collar as a whole, Houston is more blue collar with all the refineries, ship channel etc. Watch the movie "Urban Cowboy" and you'll see what I'm talking about for Houston. Watch the series "Dallas" (especially the new revamped series coming out next summer) and you'll see what I'm talking about for Dallas. Each has their share of nouveau wealth, old money, etc. but there's a little bit more nouveau wealth in Dallas than Houston. It's not that there are more wealthy people in Dallas versus Houston, it's just that Dallas doesn't have has big of an industrial area like Houston to counterbalance it. The 35K millionaire stereotype started in Dallas, I often wonder just how many people are barely staying afloat financially. Big hair and big tits still rule Dallas, probably one of the few places where guys gawk at their prom dates' moms as much as they do at their prom dates. Dallas is a little snootier from my experience.

Weather
Dallas has better weather IMO. No humidity like Houston and it actually does get cold in the winter, with a few inches of snow definitely possible.

Food/Culture
Houston hands down. Houston has the second most restaurants per capite (NYC is first) in America and the food is off the charts. You get great Cajun food from nearby Louisiana, crawfish season/boils are always big in Htown. Other seafood is also fresh from the nearby Gulf. Barbecue is excellent of course (at least for city BBQ), soul food is great. Tex-Mex is obviously the best. But Houston also has great Vietnamese food, great Nigerian food (biggest concentration of Nigerians in US save for NYC), great "insert-your-country here" food. Houston is definitely not some podunk town when it comes to food or culture. It's so much more of an international city than Dallas could ever be. Both cities have great art, symphonies, etc.

Women
Toss-up, but if I had to chose I'd go with Dallas. Like the wealth thing, it's not like there's more beautiful women in Dallas than Houston, it's just there aren't as many fatasses in Dallas as Houston.

City Layout
Dallas and Fort Worth are surrounded by suburbs (think like a spider web, a lot more like the Boston area with suburbs backing up to each other), Houston just has dots of suburbs that don't necessarily border each other. Houston is incredibly large in land area (almost 600 square miles) and basically has multiple "city centers" with Uptown, Downtown, etc. There's pockets of wealth that live in Dallas itself, but there's a larger amount of wealthy people that live in Houston itself. Downtown Houston sucks, Dallas is a little better, but neither city is like a NYC, Philly, Boston where there is some awesome nightlife centered downtown. The bar/club areas in Dallas/Houston tend to be concentrated away from downtown.

+1 bro, you are obviously a TExan. ON that note, God bless you.

You should also let them know about Texans and their pride for their state so it won't be such a culture shock.

Nov 9, 2011 - 9:59am
westsidewolf1989:

First of all, I pity you. Boston is full of ugly women that won't even say "hello" back to you if you say it to them while passing them on the street. That's not to say everyone in DFW/Htown would say hello, but you're definitely more likely to smile at someone on the street and receive one in return. If you're a driving enthusiast, the only worse place than Boston for driving is probably Baghdad in 2003. You can get out in the country within 45 minutes of Dallas and Houston. Houston is especially great, as you can drive over to the east side of town and Pasadena by the ship channel and see all the glowing lights of the refineries at night. Really cool drive IMO.

This is a pretty shitty description of Boston, if you ask me. The Big Dig ended a few years ago. Traffic can get bad, but compared to LA, NYC, DC, etc. it is pretty manageable (Baghdad? Really?). 93 cuts right through the city (north/south) and, while it does get backed up during peak rush hour, it usually isn't too bad. The Mass Pike (east/west) is even better, with the exception it is a toll road. Also, Boston is a college town. You aren't going to have the southern belles, but there are plenty of good looking women.

Have you ever been to Boston?

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Nov 8, 2011 - 11:19pm

My attempt on Dallas (I was born there and will do my best, have worked in NYC).

Pros: Gorgeous Women
No Traffic
Down to earth and friendly people
Low Taxes
Super cheap cost of living
Reasonably Good Weather
Can have a car
Decent number of HFs PE firms for its size

Cons:
Not a huge finance hub like NYC/SF/Chi/Hou,
Overwhelming Texas culture when going out (could be a pro)
35K millionaire/ SMU trust fund babies
Most people went to either Texas, A&M, TexasTech or SMU which all have very different cultures than typical Wall St. target schools
far from most attractive travel destinations

people who are asking about Dallas feel free to PM me

Nov 9, 2011 - 12:06am
PuppyBackedSecurities:
My attempt on Dallas (I was born there and will do my best, have worked in NYC).

Pros: Gorgeous Women
No Traffic
Down to earth and friendly people
Low Taxes
Super cheap cost of living
Reasonably Good Weather
Can have a car
Decent number of HFs PE firms for its size

Cons:
Not a huge finance hub like NYC/SF/Chi/Hou,
Overwhelming Texas culture when going out (could be a pro)
35K millionaire/ SMU trust fund babies
Most people went to either Texas, A&M, TexasTech or SMU which all have very different cultures than typical Wall St. target schools
far from most attractive travel destinations

people who are asking about Dallas feel free to PM me

In what ways is ut/a&m/smu/tech culture different from ivy culture? Does this mean that an ivy alum will have a tough time fitting in socially in dallas?

Nov 9, 2011 - 1:16am
Brady4MVP:
PuppyBackedSecurities:
My attempt on Dallas (I was born there and will do my best, have worked in NYC).

Pros: Gorgeous Women
No Traffic
Down to earth and friendly people
Low Taxes
Super cheap cost of living
Reasonably Good Weather
Can have a car
Decent number of HFs PE firms for its size

Cons:
Not a huge finance hub like NYC/SF/Chi/Hou,
Overwhelming Texas culture when going out (could be a pro)
35K millionaire/ SMU trust fund babies
Most people went to either Texas, A&M, TexasTech or SMU which all have very different cultures than typical Wall St. target schools
far from most attractive travel destinations

people who are asking about Dallas feel free to PM me

In what ways is ut/a&m/smu/tech culture different from ivy culture? Does this mean that an ivy alum will have a tough time fitting in socially in dallas?

You can easily fit in, it just comes down to a Texas v. Northeast thing. Successful young professionals hang out with successful young professionals in Texas, just like they do in Boston. They just talk about different things and dress differently. In Texas, the wealthy/upper middle class/young professional wears a button down, blue jeans (not True Religion/Guess/insert trendy jean brand here, but rather Levis or Wranglers) and cowboy boots. You'll talk about going fishing or hunting at the ranch/lake house, not sailing at Martha's vineyard. You'll talk about college football, not lacrosse. You'll drink Shiner/St. Arnold's/Real Ale/Lone Star/Jack Daniels, not "insert drink of choice of Northeasterners".

On this note, there is a bigger sense of egalitarianism in Texas, in terms of the activities people do. While the majority of Texans probably don't hunt, you can find a oil executive making 2 million that likes to hunt just as easily as a mechanic making 40,000. You can find them racing four wheelers, camping, sitting around a campfire in the middle of no where, getting completely dirty and drinking Miller Lite. You'll also find kids, whose dads make vastly different amounts of money, playing on the same high school football team. You probably can't say the same for yachting on the Vineyards or spending time in the Hamptons, which I guess are the stereotypical activities for an Ivy league grad. Rich Texans, while embracing the city life and the nice things that come with their money, still like to do things that many people associate with "rednecks".

Sorry for the whole treatise in sociology.

Nov 14, 2011 - 8:18pm
Brady4MVP:
PuppyBackedSecurities:
My attempt on Dallas (I was born there and will do my best, have worked in NYC).

Pros: Gorgeous Women
No Traffic
Down to earth and friendly people
Low Taxes
Super cheap cost of living
Reasonably Good Weather
Can have a car
Decent number of HFs PE firms for its size

Cons:
Not a huge finance hub like NYC/SF/Chi/Hou,
Overwhelming Texas culture when going out (could be a pro)
35K millionaire/ SMU trust fund babies
Most people went to either Texas, A&M, TexasTech or SMU which all have very different cultures than typical Wall St. target schools
far from most attractive travel destinations

people who are asking about Dallas feel free to PM me

In what ways is ut/a&m/smu/tech culture different from ivy culture? Does this mean that an ivy alum will have a tough time fitting in socially in dallas?

It's just that people who are from Texas, like me, have this mindset that there are people from Texas, and everyone else is from "Not Texas".

Nov 9, 2011 - 11:25am

from Dallas, have also spent considerable time in San Fran

Dallas

Pros:
beautiful women
low COL
great place to raise a family

Cons:
you have to drive everywhere unless you live downtown/uptown
poor public transportation in comparison to other cities
summer heat (70+ days in triple digits) aka drenched in sweat as soon as you step outdoors
traffic on 75 and 635 can be really bad
not the greatest place for finance, although wealth mgmt has a very strong presence
country bumpkins (can be pro or con, depending)

as quoted to me: "you don't want to start your career in Dallas, but it is a great place to end up after 10+ years"

San Francisco:

Pros:
perfect weather, scenery
people are more health conscious
public transportation (for example: in SF, you can live in an adjacent city (Fremont) and still make your way to the financial district via public transportation in reasonable time...in Dallas, this is note the case)
the place to be if you like tech i.e. Houston for energy

Cons:
insane COL
homeless people everywhere
politics can be so left winged that it almost comes full circle

Nov 9, 2011 - 4:41pm
Pari Passu:

San Francisco:

Pros:
perfect weather, scenery
people are more health conscious
public transportation (for example: in SF, you can live in an adjacent city (Fremont) and still make your way to the financial district via public transportation in reasonable time...in Dallas, this is note the case)
the place to be if you like tech i.e. Houston for energy

Cons:
insane COL
homeless people everywhere
politics can be so left winged that it almost comes full circle

another Pros for SF: close to Napa...

Nov 9, 2011 - 10:29pm

San Francisco:

Pros:
- diversity & culture
- weather
- beautiful city with a lot of things to do
- food
- good place to start a family

Cons:
- housing is expensive
- Taxes are outrageous, you have to pay a 4% health tax on your meal, WTF
- night life stops early, 1:30AM
- Lack of hot women. The talent out here are slim pickings and even the fugly bitches think they are hot and they all come with attitude
- hipster motherfuckers that like to ride their stupid little bicycles as if they own the fucking road. Got into a fist fight once.
- super left winged politics
- overall anti-finance and anti-business
- aggressive bums that will follow you into stores
- parking is expensive and parking tickets are even worst

Nov 10, 2011 - 1:30am
ST Monkey:
San Francisco:

Pros:
- diversity & culture
- weather
- beautiful city with a lot of things to do
- food
- good place to start a family

Cons:
- housing is expensive
- Taxes are outrageous, you have to pay a 4% health tax on your meal, WTF
- night life stops early, 1:30AM
- Lack of hot women. The talent out here are slim pickings and even the fugly bitches think they are hot and they all come with attitude
- hipster motherfuckers that like to ride their stupid little bicycles as if they own the fucking road. Got into a fist fight once.
- super left winged politics
- overall anti-finance and anti-business
- aggressive bums that will follow you into stores
- parking is expensive and parking tickets are even worst

Agree with most of what you said...but I think that any city with decent public transportation is going to have obnoxious cyclists. SF is very similar to Austin in this regard...although they don't personally bother me, because I used to be one

And you really can't beat the weather and scenery

Nov 10, 2011 - 7:40pm

I'll add a plus for Chicago - I used to work in NYC a lot, and I honestly prefer Chicago. It's super clean, the waterfront is actually used by people (beaches) instead of industrial port activity, the night life is pretty awesome (not NYC awesome, but good enough), and the girls are surprisingly hot. Sure, you've got plenty of midwest fatties, but you've also got a massive contingent of hot blonde Iowa / Indiana / Western Michigan girls, and they love to shack up on those cold winter nights! Also, most professional gigs (Law, Consulting, Banking?) pay the same as NYC, and obviously the money goes a lot further in Chicago. The food in Chicago is heads above any other city in the country, except NYC, and I think the two are on par (I'll catch shit for that, but I stand by it).

Cons: definitely the winters. It is unbelievably brutal once you get to Jan / Feb. Taxes - sales tax is like 12%, and property tax is through the roof. I think taxes in Chicago are higher than anywhere else in the country, although surprisingly there is no city income tax. Parking sucks - $250/mo, as does traffic, but really that's a wash because any major city has shitty traffic. O'hare blows - if you travel a lot for work, dealing with O'hare is like having teeth pulled twice a week. Midway is an option, but not as much traffic out of there, so less convenient flight schedules.

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Nov 10, 2011 - 11:00pm

Los Angeles

Pros:
- Great weather. I think only Hawaii and San Diego have better weather.
- Hot women. Cream of the crop. Chicks take care of themselves and many come with Ds.
- Solid nightlife. Something for everyone from dives to super trendy clubs.
- More bang for your buck than NYC / SF
- You can have a car if you want to (apartments usually come with parking spots)
- Access to mountains, beaches, and everything in between.

Cons:
- Finance is definitely backseat to the entertainment industry. Don't expect people to give two shits about which bank you work for.
- Traffic. Lots to do but takes a long time to get there if you don't plan appropriately.
- No real city center. Trying to gentrify downtown but they are kidding themselves as downtown is a piece of shit and far from the westside. Multiple mini-city centers instead.
- Cheaper than NYC and SF but still need a fuckton of money to live comfortably.
- Chicks are hotter but you're going to have to be more aggressive to get them than you might have to be up in SF.
- Professional sporting events are basically gang hangouts. If you want to pass on the thug passion you're going to have to shell out the bucks for field level seats.

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Nov 10, 2011 - 11:08pm

Atlanta

Pros:
- OK weather.
- Nice people. I think.
- Low cost of living compared to NYC or other bigger cities.
- Nice place to start a family, imo.

Cons:
- Terrible city for finance.
- Terrible nightlife.
- Too many rednecks, too many blacks, too many hispanics.

Can anyone do Detroit?

Nov 11, 2011 - 4:03am

Detroit

Pros:
1. Housing is cheap. $20 buys you the lot and the house.
2. Major growth industries: prisons, hospitals, military. Top employer is OCP.
3. Delta City begins construction in 1 month.
4. More blonde rapists and muggers per capita

Cons:
1. Working for Dick Jones really blows
2. Cops are always striking

Nov 11, 2011 - 4:29pm
Vectors225:
Atlanta

Pros:
- OK weather.
- Nice people. I think.
- Low cost of living compared to NYC or other bigger cities.
- Nice place to start a family, imo.

Cons:
- Terrible city for finance.
- Terrible nightlife.
- Too many rednecks, too many blacks, too many hispanics.

Can anyone do Detroit?

I'll make a slight edit here

PRO
- gorgeous women come out of UGA, and to a lesser extent Emory
- Traffic isn't terrible if you live in the city. Suburb commute is miserable
- Great airport to get anywhere you need to, crappy security waits at peak times

CON
- Nightlife isnt terrible, but since there is no [useful] subway it is a massive pain to get to
- I think you mean, tons of uneducated southerners if you go outside major hubs or deal with anyone being paid by the hour.

Nov 12, 2011 - 11:27am
Vectors225:
Atlanta

Pros:
- OK weather.
- Nice people. I think.
- Low cost of living compared to NYC or other bigger cities.
- Nice place to start a family, imo.

Cons:
- Terrible city for finance.
- Terrible nightlife.
- Too many rednecks, too many blacks, too many hispanics.

Can anyone do Detroit?

I'll tack on some pros/cons for Atlanta

Pros
- Weather is great 7-9 months out of the year (Basically throughout the whole year except for a couple of summer months and a couple of winter months)
- I'll disagree and say the nightlife is pretty great, with many different options throughout the city. Whether you're looking for massive clubs, hipster bars or anything in between, ATL kinda has all of it and tons of each
- Local talent is not that bad. There are tons of colleges & universities in the metro area (and so many more within a 1-2 hour drive)
- Culinary/Restaurant scene is blowing up
- Great place to start a family
- Overall, a fraction of the cost of other large cities (NYC, LA, SF, CHI)

Cons
- Traffic is terrible and there isn't any viable public transportation. Also, parking is shitty.
- Weather during the peak summer months is simply unbearable (temperature/humidity/etc)
- There are definitely some sketchy parts of town that sometimes bleed into other areas of ATL. As a result, crime can seriously be a problem.
- The metro area is a prime example of urban sprawl.

Nov 12, 2011 - 11:08pm
Mike98989:

I'll tack on some pros/cons for Atlanta

Pros
- Weather is great 7-9 months out of the year (Basically throughout the whole year except for a couple of summer months and a couple of winter months)
- I'll disagree and say the nightlife is pretty great, with many different options throughout the city. Whether you're looking for massive clubs, hipster bars or anything in between, ATL kinda has all of it and tons of each
- Local talent is not that bad. There are tons of colleges & universities in the metro area (and so many more within a 1-2 hour drive)
- Culinary/Restaurant scene is blowing up
- Great place to start a family
- Overall, a fraction of the cost of other large cities (NYC, LA, SF, CHI)

Cons
- Traffic is terrible and there isn't any viable public transportation. Also, parking is shitty.
- Weather during the peak summer months is simply unbearable (temperature/humidity/etc)
- There are definitely some sketchy parts of town that sometimes bleed into other areas of ATL. As a result, crime can seriously be a problem.
- The metro area is a prime example of urban sprawl.

I guess I think ATL's nightlife is one of the shittiest because the only venue that brings in big DJs is the Opera and that place sucks big time. I might be wrong tho, and I hear UGA is great for partying.
And I can't believe I didn't list the traffic. Absolutely horrendous.

Nov 11, 2011 - 1:28am

Detroit:
pros:
cheapest real estate in the country for a big city?
royal oaks is a decent area and I was able to find surprisingly a few local good places to eat (vegetarian, etc.)
the people still left are actually nice from the exposure I've had, they were born there, they will die there.
I remember I stayed at a Marriot a few times in Troy, which was right outside Detroit. They had a whole foods and a heavy police presence in the area (didn't seem needed though). Getting into Detroit and around is very easy, traffic is a joke compared to other cities.

cons:
too many to list.... I would not recommend going here unless you have a specific reason. It's future is very speculative and the weather is bad. Reminds me of Oakland, but does not have immediate access to cooler areas (SF, Berkeley) like Oakland.

Nov 11, 2011 - 4:35pm

I'll do St. Louis although no one in his sane mind would want to work in St. Louis long-term.

Pros:
Close to Chicago.
Cardinals.

Cons:
Terrible weather.
Terrible drivers.
Lost its mojo long time ago.

Nov 11, 2011 - 5:03pm
Vectors225:
I'll do St. Louis although no one in his sane mind would want to work in St. Louis long-term.

Pros:
Close to Chicago.
Cardinals.

Cons:
Terrible weather.
Terrible drivers.
Lost its mojo long time ago.

Add to cons:
ugly women
crime
ugly city

Add to pros:
easy access to casinos
reasonably ok night life

Nov 11, 2011 - 10:19pm
PuppyBackedSecurities:
Vectors225:
I'll do St. Louis although no one in his sane mind would want to work in St. Louis long-term.

Pros:
Close to Chicago.
Cardinals.

Cons:
Terrible weather.
Terrible drivers.
Lost its mojo long time ago.

Add to cons:
ugly women
crime
ugly city

Add to pros:
easy access to casinos
reasonably ok night life

Add to pros:
cheap place to live
decent lakes in Missouri if you like that
Anheuser Busch brewery means fresh beer

Add to cons
Ugly women (so ugly it needs to be said twice)
horrible night life imo
Meth heads
General population lacks any class
It's a dying city

Nov 11, 2011 - 7:07pm

SF has been done to death, so I'll ignore SF.

Denver
Pros: Great food (seriously, amazingly good restaurants), great outdoor scene, very livable city. Growing start-up scene, some boutique finance (but not a financial hub, make no mistake). Amazing availability of microbrews, and alcohol is more potent. Reasonable cost of living.

Cons: Gets really cold, 2nd only to SF/Berkeley and Portland in the hippie category. Tim Tebow.

Minneapolis
Pros: Great downtown, very vibrant in terms of culture, restaurants, things to do. Strong economic hub in the corporate sense, some investment banking and commercial banking based in Minneapolis. People are exceedingly friendly. Low hippie / hipster levels due to cold.

Cons. Cold as fuck.

Portland (OR)
Pros: Outdoor activities. Alcoholics dream: most microbrews per capita in the states, Willamette Valley pinot noirs are amazing. Low cost of living. Great public transportation.

Cons: No real industry or economy. Hippies. Lots of fucking hippies.

Dec 5, 2011 - 10:56pm

chi312:

Denver please?

freeloader:
Denver
Pros: Great food (seriously, amazingly good restaurants), great outdoor scene, very livable city. Growing start-up scene, some boutique finance (but not a financial hub, make no mistake). Amazing availability of microbrews, and alcohol is more potent. Reasonable cost of living.

Cons: Gets really cold, 2nd only to SF/Berkeley and Portland in the hippie category. Tim Tebow.

I'll add on to this:

Pros:

-World class skiing within 3.5 hours (~1 hour to Winter Park, ~1.5 hours to Copper, ~2 hours to Vail, tack on 1.5 hours if bad weather conditions/traffic going either way, up to or down from)

-Outdoors scene in general (pretty much any outdoor activity, but you get to do them in the Rockies and at Red Rocks)

-Laid back, most people are pretty friendly (although I'm sure you can find somewhere to fit in if you're a douche)

-COL (you can get a nice 1 bed/1 bath downtown for around $1200 not furnished, and a nice place just outside downtown for around $800-1,000. You'll probably want a car if you're here for any extended amount of time. Oh, and if you're interested in Janus, they're in Cherry Creek which is a very nice area, not sure what rent cost would be here though)

-Nightlife/drinking (pretty big bar scene in LoDo, lots of great microbrews, mediocre club scene, great food in general as freeloader said)

-Startup/finance scenes are getting bigger, but still small compared to the major hubs

-Weather Pt 1 (Denver has 300 days of sunshine, more than San Diego and Miami Beach. We also get snow, which most of us like. See Pt 2 for cons)

-Lightrail (added this after the public transport con. Apparently they're building it out to the airport and also up to Boulder. That won't happen until 2016, but having the lightrail up to Boulder means instant access to more outdoor activities without needing a car)

Cons:

-Public transport is pretty meh, though the 16th street mall ride and lightrail work out pretty well for a lot of people (lots of younger people that dont live downtown will take the lightrail down there, eases 2am traffic/drunk driving a bit Im sure. Also, the 16th st mall ride is a free shuttle service up and down the 16th st mall, which is an easy way to get to restaurants, shops, bars, clubs, etc. The 16th St mall is exactly what it sounds like, its pretty nice, too. Also, apparently they're looking at extending the lightrail up to the mountains, not sure what the word is on that though)

-Weather Pt 2 (I wasn't sure whether to put this as a pro or con, honestly. The weather is weird, it could be 65 and sunny in the morning and drop 6 inches of snow on us in the afternoon. Usually its all melted within the next day or two, though. Everybody here wears layers. Some people like it, some people don't.)

-Tim Tebow

Honestly a lot of stuff revolves around the outdoors scene. If you're into arts/culture, you can find that here, but there's a relatively small niche of people that are into that compared with, say, NY. There is a lot of history, too, if you're interested in that. People are generally pretty laid back and decent. If you're into beer, this is the place you want to be. Can't really think of anything else, if you've got specific questions, feel free to PM (I won't be keeping up on this thread).

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
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Nov 12, 2011 - 10:28pm
Corki:
what about living/working in calgary?

Pros:
Unemployment is at/near all-time lows at 5.9% (Canada around 7.3%)
Close to mountains/skiing
Plenty of outdoor activities
During the Stampede the city basically takes a holiday (even the ibanks but to a lesser extent)

Cons:
Parking is expensive (apparently, second only to NYC in North America)
Massive urban sprawl + crap transit = terrible traffic
Weather can get pretty bad
Outgrowing its infrastructure due to a big inflow of people over the last decade

A pro/con depending on where you live now is that Calgary cost of living is about the same as LA or SF.

Nov 12, 2011 - 5:41pm
Maximus Decimus Meridius:
bbballer:
Zurich
+ Pay 10% in taxes
+ Go skiing every weekend
+ London salaries x 2
+ Work life balance
  • Only 300k ppl
  • Girls are ugly

The fact that there's only PWM there would also be a con to many.

Hmm, Geneva is the hub for PWM actually. Lot's of jobs in PE, HF and IB. That doesn't include Zug where you have the large FFs like PG and LGT and lots and lots of HFs.

Having worked in Chicago, NY and London, ZH has easily the best quality of life.

Nov 12, 2011 - 9:36pm

Detroit
pros:
most finance jobs are outside the city in affluent burbs (exception is GM's finance organization, which is downtown)
awesome place to live if you are a car guy
casinos
cheap real estate

cons:
nightlife is dangerous in Detroit, and sucks in the area around it
will have to hit up ann arbor or east lansing for reasonable girls
your lifestyle will be more CT than NYC, think lake house and golf course not models and bottles
weather is shittier than chicago

Nov 12, 2011 - 11:09pm
monkeyc:
Detroit
pros:
most finance jobs are outside the city in affluent burbs (exception is GM's finance organization, which is downtown)
awesome place to live if you are a car guy
casinos
cheap real estate

cons:
nightlife is dangerous in Detroit, and sucks in the area around it
will have to hit up ann arbor or east lansing for reasonable girls
your lifestyle will be more CT than NYC, think lake house and golf course not models and bottles
weather is shittier than chicago

I'll be in Farmington Hills for 6 months, do you know how far out that place is from casinos/ski spots?

Nov 14, 2011 - 5:17pm
Vectors225:
monkeyc:
Detroit
pros:
most finance jobs are outside the city in affluent burbs (exception is GM's finance organization, which is downtown)
awesome place to live if you are a car guy
casinos
cheap real estate

cons:
nightlife is dangerous in Detroit, and sucks in the area around it
will have to hit up ann arbor or east lansing for reasonable girls
your lifestyle will be more CT than NYC, think lake house and golf course not models and bottles
weather is shittier than chicago

I'll be in Farmington Hills for 6 months, do you know how far out that place is from casinos/ski spots?

Why FH? It's around half an hour from Detroit, where the casinos are. Windsor is right across the river and there are more casinos there, but that's probably another half hour to get across the border. There are some ski spots that aren't too far away. Alpine Valley is 40 minutes away. I don't know how many other spots there are within an hour of there.

Nov 13, 2011 - 7:33am

@ Aero - agreed... I expected more from the food quality in HK (for the non-Chinese cuisine, I mean). A bit disappointing. Particularly steak. You can't seem to find quality steak for a reasonable price there. You have to pay premium for really good steak... where i've been able to find for a decent price in Toronto. (Calgary btw has amazing steak). The sushi is alright so far from a quality per value standpoint, but I think I've had better in New York. Bars and nightlife is tops though.

Would be interested to hear more about non-US cities. No plans to move there, but would be interesting to hear say Korea, where I've never been. Or a major South American city.

Nov 13, 2011 - 9:32am

London

Pros
- Proper broker culture
- center of the world, best in class for EM
- Really fit birds from all other the world
- Party scene is too much to take
- No one wears oversized wso/">suits to works (unless they are FOB from the US)
- Couple hours away to Italy to get custom fit shirts
- One stone throw away to get some slick shoes
- A train ride away to get some proper wso/">suits in Paris
- You can vacation anywhere in Europe and jetset for cheap ;)

Cons
- One of the most expensive city to live in
- Weather is shit (which is why you have to travel away every week end)
- Tough banking culture
- One of the most overbroked market in the world, you are running the rat race against the elite of every European schools. Everybody is getting fired at the moment...
- Everybody is pissed on Thursdays and Friday's are a nightmare to survive
- Taxes are WAY over the top

Nov 14, 2011 - 9:14am
gamenumbers:
Texas is the biggest $hithole of a state in our country. I can't believe I'm reading people legitimately comparing NYC and SF - two world class cities - to Houston. Houston sucks. Dallas sucks. What else is there to understand?

news flash...not everyone thinks alike...
to each his own

Nov 14, 2011 - 9:48am

Re: Chicago parking -

It's not necessary to have a car in Chicago. It's extremely easy to get around on the CTA - and frequently faster, especially during rush hour. When the CTA isn't convenient, there are plenty of cabs - which, even if you cab a lot, is still probably cheaper than having a car.

Nov 14, 2011 - 10:24am
spoonfork:
Re: Chicago parking -

It's not necessary to have a car in Chicago. It's extremely easy to get around on the CTA - and frequently faster, especially during rush hour. When the CTA isn't convenient, there are plenty of cabs - which, even if you cab a lot, is still probably cheaper than having a car.

This. When I first moved to Chicago, I was paying $1100/mo to have a car. ~$650/mo car payment, $250 parking, $150/mo insurance, plus some gas here and there. I used it maybe once every 2-3 weeks, if that. I sold it 6 months after moving here because it was such a waste.

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Nov 14, 2011 - 11:47am
EL Toro:
What about Miami? Pros/Cons? Thoughts please.

Miami:
Pros:
-The weather is really nice year-round (i.e., wear shorts and flip-flops in February)
- Strong LatAm focus
-Firms are focused on lifestyle (i.e., no 100-hour work weeks, and working weekends is unheard of)
-You can rise through the ranks very quickly when you perform well
-Pretty cool scene on South Beach

Cons:
-Hurricane season (although nothing major for the last several years)
-Lots of PWM (can be a con for IB/PE/HF/VC minded folks)
-"Manana culture": if they can wait to do something manana (Spanish for "tomorrow"), they will...can be frustrating when you really want to move forward on something

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Nov 14, 2011 - 11:19pm
sofib09:
EL Toro:
What about Miami? Pros/Cons? Thoughts please.

Miami:
Pros:
-The weather is really nice year-round (i.e., wear shorts and flip-flops in February)
- Strong LatAm focus
-Firms are focused on lifestyle (i.e., no 100-hour work weeks, and working weekends is unheard of)
-You can rise through the ranks very quickly when you perform well
-Pretty cool scene on South Beach

Cons:
-Hurricane season (although nothing major for the last several years)
-Lots of PWM (can be a con for IB/PE/HF/VC minded folks)
-"Manana culture": if they can wait to do something manana (Spanish for "tomorrow"), they will...can be frustrating when you really want to move forward on something

Add some more pros/cons
Pros: You can buy a condo in Miami Beach for cheap i.e. a mortgage down here on a decent 1 bed is less than rent on an NYC studio
Great Food
Great women
Huge club scene if that's your thing
Close to other big cities i.e. Ft. Lauderdale, Palm Beaches
Low COL
Good shopping
Nice Suburbs
Decent IB/PE Presence

Cons:
Miami has some really ghetto parts Overtown, Little Haiti and you can easily wind up there
You need a car
95 and 595 Traffic can suck
Drivers are awful
Spanish is widely spoken even in nice parts of the area, you don't need to know it but it helps

Nov 14, 2011 - 10:06am

Grew up in the LA region and I never liked the city much for finance. But definitely a good place to live for some.

Best weather, obviously. You won't see much of a difference between LA and San Diego/OC because they're only 2 hours away from each other. Winters can get to about 50's in the morning and night, warming up to 60's-70's during the day. If you live near the beach, you can get a marine layer in the mornings, which will burn off by noon.

You do have access to every type of region. Next to the ocean/beach/surfing/etc, 1-1.5 hrs to great skiing, desert and palm springs is near, and many national parks are close too.

Culture is a 180 from NYC. Slower paced, more liberal. Definitely more centered around entertainment. Extremely materialistic and beauty-centered. That being said, girls have no "winter" where they can bundle up and have cultural pressures about body image, so you'll have more girls working out and kept. "LA" is also extremely diverse, with the city being well >50% minority, which can be a good thing, just different. Spanish is as useful as english (hyperbole, but you get my meaning).

I don't know about deals or finance in LA, but I would imagine there's more happening up in Silicon Valley.

But the city itself (to me) isn't ideal because it really isn't a "city" in the traditional sense. Downtown LA sucks, period. LA is more of a collection of small cities, and you really do have to drive EVERYWHERE. It's also massive with a lot of traffic.

Food: In-n-out, seafood, best mexican food, amazing asian food, really cool fusions of all of 'em happening there.

Nov 14, 2011 - 3:14pm

Can anyone do some pros/cons for Boston?

"There are only two opinions in this world: Mine and the wrong one." -Jeremy Clarkson
Nov 14, 2011 - 4:09pm
jon1987:
Can anyone do some pros/cons for Boston?

Interested as well. I've heard the cost of living is pretty expensive, people are aholes, and girls are fugly. I want some insider perspective.

Nov 14, 2011 - 4:46pm
Vectors225:
jon1987:
Can anyone do some pros/cons for Boston?

Interested as well. I've heard the cost of living is pretty expensive, people are aholes, and girls are fugly. I want some insider perspective.

COL is pretty high, depending on where you live. Not even close to Manhattan though (maybe 60%). Great night life but public transport sucks, especially late at night. I don't agree with the ugly chicks thing- Boston is essentially one huge college town. Weather obviously sucks in the winter, but not as bad as Chicago. Cap Cod is 1.5 hrs away, and a couple hours north you can find some very mediocre ski mountains in VT/NH/ME.

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Nov 14, 2011 - 4:31pm

"Detroit
Pros:
1. Housing is cheap. $20 buys you the lot and the house.
2. Major growth industries: prisons, hospitals, military. Top employer is OCP.
3. Delta City begins construction in 1 month.
4. More blonde rapists and muggers per capita
Cons:
1. Working for Dick Jones really blows
2. Cops are always striking
"

this was the funniest thing i've read in a while

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Nov 15, 2011 - 12:37am

Boston:

Pros
- Swarms of folks in their 20s and 30s, as well as college kids. There is a different college every few blocks and a large number of them are good schools.
- Educated population attracts strong employers and therefore the job market is robust. Not just Fortune 500s but also a very strong VC/PE scene.
- There are plenty of very hot girls (though they all seem to go into hibernation in the winter).
- Crime is minimal if you stick to the right areas of the city (Back Bay, Beacon Hill, Downtown).
- Real estate is available for a wide variety of price points -- whether you want to blow $300k or $10 million, there are apartments available.
- Traffic is manageable (once you learn the streets). Commuting in from the suburbs will only take 30-45 minutes during the heart of rush hour.
- If you're a sports fan, look no further. There is tremendous pride for the Red Sox / Bruins / Patriots / Celtics so you pretty much have a team to root for year round. Besides Patriots games, you can buy tickets for a reasonable price and the Ball Park / Rink / B-Ball Court are all within walking distance.
- Public transit isn't the best, but you'll never struggle to get anywhere. Plenty of cabs available and navigating the subway is not too difficult. Unless you're on the wrong line late at night, you don't really fear for your life. Worse case you can literally walk from one side of the city to the other in less than an hour. Boston has a SMALL geographic footprint.
- While the restaurant selection is not out of this world, Boston is known for the "North End" which has a large number of amazing Italian restaurants.
- While Bostonian's are not particularly fashionable, there is plenty of high fashion shopping on Newbury Street and in nearby malls.
- Logan airport gives you easy access to much of Europe. You can fly direct to Paris / Madrid / London and a number of other key European destinations.
- Very cheap buses go back and forth between Boston / New York City. It is very easy to spend a weekend in NYC and only spend $50 or less for transportation.
- History. Lots of it. Walk the freedom trail. See some old buildings. Throw some fake tea off an old fake replica ship. If you're into this kinda stuff, Boston has loads of it.

Cons
- Weather makes Boston pretty miserable from November through March. It's not as bad as Chicago but you'll want to invest in a heavy coat / gloves / scarves / hats / etc.
- There are a few clubs but many Bostonians don't really go to them. The "Irish Pub" scene dominates.
- People can be quite clique-y. If you aren't an outgoing person, it can be very hard to meet new people and make friends.
- Whoever thought to put the airport on an island off the coast was retarded. Luckily massive tunnel digging has made airport access much easier --- but it's still retarded. Logan isn't a hub for any airline, and while the flights are often cheap due to the low cost carriers (JetBlue, Southwest, etc.), there aren't as many flights as Chicago/Newark/Houston etc. Expect to connect if you want to fly to the more distant international destinations.
- Parking is not easy and not cheap. The city wasn't exactly designed to have a ton of places to park your car. If you arrive on a horse, you may find plenty of places to tie up your steed though.
- Bars close at 2:00am. While this isn't a problem for old folks like me, a lot of people I know have found this to be ridiculously early.

CompBanker

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Nov 15, 2011 - 3:12pm
CompBanker:
Boston:
  • There are plenty of very hot girls (though they all seem to go into hibernation in the winter).

Calling BS on this one. (though it is true that the few decent girls that do exist go into hibernation in the winter.)

Nov 15, 2011 - 11:47pm
CompBanker:
Boston:
Cons
- There are a few clubs but many Bostonians don't really go to them. The "Irish Pub" scene dominates.

You spelled "Pros" wrong

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Nov 19, 2011 - 5:33am
CompBanker:
Boston:

Pros
- Swarms of folks in their 20s and 30s, as well as college kids. There is a different college every few blocks and a large number of them are good schools.
- Educated population attracts strong employers and therefore the job market is robust. Not just Fortune 500s but also a very strong VC/PE scene.
- There are plenty of very hot girls (though they all seem to go into hibernation in the winter).
- Crime is minimal if you stick to the right areas of the city (Back Bay, Beacon Hill, Downtown).
- Real estate is available for a wide variety of price points -- whether you want to blow $300k or $10 million, there are apartments available.
- Traffic is manageable (once you learn the streets). Commuting in from the suburbs will only take 30-45 minutes during the heart of rush hour.
- If you're a sports fan, look no further. There is tremendous pride for the Red Sox / Bruins / Patriots / Celtics so you pretty much have a team to root for year round. Besides Patriots games, you can buy tickets for a reasonable price and the Ball Park / Rink / B-Ball Court are all within walking distance.
- Public transit isn't the best, but you'll never struggle to get anywhere. Plenty of cabs available and navigating the subway is not too difficult. Unless you're on the wrong line late at night, you don't really fear for your life. Worse case you can literally walk from one side of the city to the other in less than an hour. Boston has a SMALL geographic footprint.
- While the restaurant selection is not out of this world, Boston is known for the "North End" which has a large number of amazing Italian restaurants.
- While Bostonian's are not particularly fashionable, there is plenty of high fashion shopping on Newbury Street and in nearby malls.
- Logan airport gives you easy access to much of Europe. You can fly direct to Paris / Madrid / London and a number of other key European destinations.
- Very cheap buses go back and forth between Boston / New York City. It is very easy to spend a weekend in NYC and only spend $50 or less for transportation.
- History. Lots of it. Walk the freedom trail. See some old buildings. Throw some fake tea off an old fake replica ship. If you're into this kinda stuff, Boston has loads of it.

Cons
- Weather makes Boston pretty miserable from November through March. It's not as bad as Chicago but you'll want to invest in a heavy coat / gloves / scarves / hats / etc.
- There are a few clubs but many Bostonians don't really go to them. The "Irish Pub" scene dominates.
- People can be quite clique-y. If you aren't an outgoing person, it can be very hard to meet new people and make friends.
- Whoever thought to put the airport on an island off the coast was retarded. Luckily massive tunnel digging has made airport access much easier --- but it's still retarded. Logan isn't a hub for any airline, and while the flights are often cheap due to the low cost carriers (JetBlue, Southwest, etc.), there aren't as many flights as Chicago/Newark/Houston etc. Expect to connect if you want to fly to the more distant international destinations.
- Parking is not easy and not cheap. The city wasn't exactly designed to have a ton of places to park your car. If you arrive on a horse, you may find plenty of places to tie up your steed though.
- Bars close at 2:00am. While this isn't a problem for old folks like me, a lot of people I know have found this to be ridiculously early.

I mostly agree, but...

Pros - There are great restaurants all over the city and surrounding suburbs. Because of the small footprint you can get to any of them in a reasonable time, and there is generally decent transportation to all of the suburbs. Bonus points for Providence being 1hr by train (30 minutes if you can afford Amtrak) or less by car which has a lot of restaurants.

The immediate suburbs are generally more interesting than what you get in NYC.

Suburbs start giving way to rural 12 miles outside the city.

Cons - The subway and train systems in Boston gives it a 3rd world country kind of feel. A lot of the equipment should have gone out of service 20 years ago, and there are frequently breakdowns and major delays. Mass transit and transportation initiatives in general are badly mismanaged and there is no relief in sight.

Nov 15, 2011 - 12:05pm

It's not a major city but I'll do Palm Springs, CA

PROS:
-Great weather 9 months out of the year

-World class golf - you can play any type of course you want and we're one of the few cities to get both a PGA and LPGA event (a Major) every year along with Q-School and various mini-tours.

-City is easy to navigate with I-10 and wide streets

-Central to a lot of places. I can be in Joshua Tree, LA, San Diego, Mexico, Phoenix, Colorado River (Havasu), Glamis dunes or Vegas all within 3 hours of here.

-The people make it feel like a small town because everyone is friendly. You talk to someone, anyone, long enough and you'll find that you have people in common and know each other by one or two degrees at the most.

CONS:
-Snowbirds during season can make the town feel small and add to traffic significantly. Plus they suck at driving - Oregon, I'm looking in your general direction . . .

-Not gonna lie, the summers are brutal. It can be 120 during the day and the overnight low on some nights is 85-90 degrees . . . again, that's the low - let that thought sink in for a bit. Mornings are 100 by 8AM, not fun. The people who like to exercise year round out here go out at 4AM in the summer - if you cant do that then you just dont exercise outdoors all summer long.

-It's a service industry town so there's not much of a job market for people with college degrees. The jobs do exist but you have to look hard to find them. Finance jobs that do exist are in real estate finance, trusts or private wealth management.

Nov 15, 2011 - 1:12pm

Sao Paulo

PROS
*Large banking and trading salaries
*SEXY WOMEN
*Good restaurants and nightlife

CONS
*Being mugged on the way to work
*Being treated as "capitalist pig"
*OBSCENELY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE
*FERRARIS COST OVER 800 GRAND HERE
*HARD TO get a job without local contacts
*

Nov 15, 2011 - 1:39pm

^ before I die (read get married and settle down) I am going to either take an extended vacation or be transferred to Brazil

Get it!
Nov 15, 2011 - 2:02pm

http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/cost-of-living-in-sao-paulo

I just read that article... now granted its a year and a half old... but Sao Paulo doesnt seem THAAAAAT expensive...

a 538 sq ft furnished pad costs $2300 CDN a month ( in the most desirable part of the city)... a movie ticket cost $12 CDN, a Big Mac Combo cost $8.06 CDN, Starbucks costs $3.74 CDN, transit costs $1.55 CDN, some decent internet cost $115 CDN a month... kind of on par with my beloved Toronto...

Get it!
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Nov 15, 2011 - 4:58pm
ConanDBull:
http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/cost-of-living-in-sao-paulo

I just read that article... now granted its a year and a half old... but Sao Paulo doesnt seem THAAAAAT expensive...

a 538 sq ft furnished pad costs $2300 CDN a month ( in the most desirable part of the city)... a movie ticket cost $12 CDN, a Big Mac Combo cost $8.06 CDN, Starbucks costs $3.74 CDN, transit costs $1.55 CDN, some decent internet cost $115 CDN a month... kind of on par with my beloved Toronto...

the problem is that in Sao Paulo any luxury will cost you a lot...A TOYOTA COROLLA COSTS OVER 50 THOUSAND US DOLLARS....

Nov 15, 2011 - 2:47pm

Re: charlotte, I have some friends there. For the young-ins these are the pros and cons

Pros:
You get paid the same as you would in NYC, but you have nice weather and can rent a one bedroom for $800 a month.
Lots of golf courses, weather good enough to play from March to November
Other pro sports
Easy flight hub for USair
Low traffic, low congestion, low crime
Can walk to work if you live in the downtown

Cons:
Sort of boring, everything is decent nothing is great
Southern culture (can be a pro or con, depending on what you like).
Things move slowly.
Level of the finance "game" is lower.
It's also more of a family city, especially if that's a religious protestant family
Lack of culture compared to larger cities
USair prices are very high

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Nov 15, 2011 - 7:04pm
Jimbo:
Re: charlotte, I have some friends there. For the young-ins these are the pros and cons

Pros:
You get paid the same as you would in NYC, but you have nice weather and can rent a one bedroom for $800 a month.
Lots of golf courses, weather good enough to play from March to November
Other pro sports
Easy flight hub for USair
Low traffic, low congestion, low crime
Can walk to work if you live in the downtown

Cons:
Sort of boring, everything is decent nothing is great
Southern culture (can be a pro or con, depending on what you like).
Things move slowly.
Level of the finance "game" is lower.
It's also more of a family city, especially if that's a religious protestant family
Lack of culture compared to larger cities
USair prices are very high

Is all-in pay at the top boutiques in Charlotte (McColl, Edgeview, Black Arch) the same as NYC, or is that just WF and BAML?

Nov 16, 2011 - 9:45am
professionalmonkey:
Jimbo:
Re: charlotte, I have some friends there. For the young-ins these are the pros and cons

Pros:
You get paid the same as you would in NYC, but you have nice weather and can rent a one bedroom for $800 a month.
Lots of golf courses, weather good enough to play from March to November
Other pro sports
Easy flight hub for USair
Low traffic, low congestion, low crime
Can walk to work if you live in the downtown

Cons:
Sort of boring, everything is decent nothing is great
Southern culture (can be a pro or con, depending on what you like).
Things move slowly.
Level of the finance "game" is lower.
It's also more of a family city, especially if that's a religious protestant family
Lack of culture compared to larger cities
USair prices are very high

Is all-in pay at the top boutiques in Charlotte (McColl, Edgeview, Black Arch) the same as NYC, or is that just WF and BAML?

Comp at MM shops in Charlotte is comparable with WF/BAML. They are almost always competing for the same analyst candidates, so any significant difference in comp would hurt recruiting at MMs.

Nov 15, 2011 - 10:46pm

Shanghai

Pros:
- Booming city in a booming country
- Finance/corporate job markets growing and if you speak fluent Mandarin and English and are talented, you can rise through the ranks quickly
- Great nightlife and good high end restaurants
- Easy access to all of Asia
- Pretty affordable COL (although it is rising)
- Transport: good metro system, cheap taxis and wide roads

Cons:
- Quite polluted although not as bad as Beijing
- Food/water sanitation standards are questionable (throughout China) - you can never be totally confident eating or drinking anything
- 12-14 hours to both East Coast US and Western Europe
- Not many hot Western women (although plenty of attractive Asian girls)
- Political/legal system is sub-optimal
- Time zone is not ideal for dealing with NYC/London (or watching sport in US/UK)

Nov 16, 2011 - 1:29am

quick add on SF: the actual public transportation system aka cabs are impossible to find anywhere. this is compounded by the inferior public transportation shutting down early, even earlier than the bars.

and +1 on those who said the girls are ugly/entitled/bitchy and even moreso if you venture down to stanford/palo alto/menlo area.

Nov 17, 2011 - 2:13am

If more people can give their insight on Shanghai/London/Hong Kong, that'd be greatly appreciated.

Array

Nov 17, 2011 - 12:40pm

Charlotte:

Pros:
-Pays almost as well as NYC/Chic (figure -10k if you're under 100k)
-Cost of living is cheaper, but not REAL cheap (figure $1100 for a decent 1 BR in the city)
-CLEAN.. no trash, hard to even find a cigarette in the street
-Laidback attitude (can be a con as well)
-Decent nightlife (Epicentre in the city has 2-3 clubs)
-Hub for BofA & Wells
-Weather .. barely gets below 50s although summers can be HOT

Cons:
-LAIDBACK ATTITUDE .. the reason I left the city. It seems as if everyone is content with what they do and has litttle to no desire to move forward/move up. Everyone is pretty 'settled down'. If you're young and single, do not move to this city.
-Stuck in a bubble.. most of the city has little fashion sense and 'polos' are still the norm. Wear anything that looks semi european and you'll get laughed at. Oh yeah.. when you wear a button down, never unbutton the second button.. it's TABOO.
-If you want to move up don't plan on staying.. most of the upper level jobs at BofA/Wells are in NYC so you'll be transfered
-More corporate middle office/back office jobs than S&T/IB Roles.
-Singles crowd sort of sucks.. as I said before, everyone is content on keeping their same jobs and settling down forever outside of the city.
-Lots of trustfund babies from southern ivy leagues who won't even associate with you if you're from up north.

Mar 2, 2015 - 5:09pm

This is true all over the South and parts in Colorado. Some people like a routine with the same people doing the same stuff. Not my thing. Can't wait to move to the East Coast.

Greed is Good!
Mar 2, 2015 - 5:10pm

L.A., San Fran, Chicago, or New York? (Originally Posted: 03/06/2017)

Hey, everyone.

Of the four cities mentioned, I've read that the west coast cities are more lenient towards media, gaming, and tech. Chicago is an industrial city. New York is the diversified area where everything is based off of (pertaining to when Wall Street opens and such).

Is it better to start in NYC then go west coast or vice versa? My younger self would prefer an IB job on the west coast, but I also understand that I can get pigeon-held in certain areas that I might not want to be in when I turn 30. Is it just safe to go to NYC?

Mar 2, 2015 - 5:11pm

This is a general question and we need more information to provide better advice. What school tier do you go to? Do you attend on west coast or east coast? Would you like to exit to CorpDev/PE/HF on west coast or east coast? Are you very passionate about tech? Do you like industrials work? What banking product or industry groups appeal to you?

Mar 2, 2015 - 5:12pm

I go to a school that has a business that is nationally regarded, but I'm not sure it's as up-there as Ivy schools. It's the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. I'm in the Bryan school of business. It is on the east coast, but I'm aware that having west and east coast experience is nice. I'm not exactly sure what'd I want to exit to. I was thinking hedge funds, but I honestly haven't given it too much though. I'm not extremely passionate about tech, but it's cool. My teenage side is more into the gaming/media that L.A. could offer, but I don't want to be held back later down the line.

Mar 2, 2015 - 5:16pm

Generally speaking, if you enter IB, New York is the safest bet. If you are really passionate about high tech, than I guess SF is the way to go, I'm just not crazy about the city (and I'm in tech now, but based in the East. Live in SF for half a year).

What industries interest you? Saying Chicago is an industrial city is very generic, as the Midwest has a variety of more "blue-collar" industry hubs, but the Northeast has its own set of "industries" as well (pharma, retail, oil and gas to some extent, etc). I agree with previous poster, tell us more about your interests and we can help. I am familiar with all four cities you listed.

Mar 2, 2015 - 5:15pm

I think it depends on a whole host of factors including where you see yourself in the future, what you like, etc. but setting aside all of that, one thing a teacher of mine in college said that really stuck with me is that it's important to get "Street cred." He mentioned it's difficult to go from someplace to NYC, but it's generally easier to go from NYC to anywhere else. I have found this to be true so far - NYC opens up a lot of doors and that is why it is generally safer to start off there if you have no idea where you want to eventually be. That being said, I personally love San Francisco (have not worked there though).

Nov 18, 2011 - 5:46pm

Ft. Lauderdale:
Pros: Decent clubs
Lots of cute girls from the local colleges
If you love boating it isn't called America's Venice for nothing
One of the cheapest airport in the US, half the price of flying AA direct, you have US, UA, Jetblue, SW, Spirit, AA, DL, basically with one stop you can be anywhere in the world and pay a fraction of AA's hub at MIA
Easy access to LAT AM/Caribbean
Florida Panthers at Bank Atlantic Center, good and cheap, easy acess to Sunlife (although won't matter next year)
Cheap housing in the 'burbs i.e. 10,000 sq ft can be had for 1 mm I kid you not
Lots of young people
Good restaurants
Easier commute than MIA
Ok public transit even in suburbs like Davie
Weather
150K equals nice lifestyle
Apartments are very cheap 1k a month for a 2 bed near a college is not that unusual, 1 beds/studios in Las Olas should run 800 to 1200 a month

Cons:
You wind up going to MIA if you want a great dinner, FTL is ok, not excellent
It really is Miami Junior
Fort Lauderdale's only club/restaurant scene is really Las Olas, there is great food, but you have to be a local to know where it is
All the burbs look the same

Dec 5, 2011 - 10:52pm
evilmindbulgaria:
Can somebody do Moscow?

I was only there for a few months so don't take it as gospel.

Pros:
- Better than street comp depending on the shop

Cons:
- Everything else, you name it. Weather is shit 90% of the time, ripping of westerners is a national passtime, every deal requires a brown paper bag, often incredibly racist, even towards westerners but particularly towards non-whites. Police state in all but name and not the benevolent kind. Street violence puts the US to shame.

It should be telling that both Mexico City and Riyadh looked like better options after a while.

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Dec 5, 2011 - 11:07pm

Philadelphia

Pros:

Close to NYC/DC/Boston
City living at a fraction of the cost of NYC
Great Sports town
Good food
Lots of neighborhoods (NoLib, CC, Manayunk, Rittenhouse, Society Hill, Italian Market, etc)
History (if you are into it)
Lots of Universities and amazing suburbs
Simple public transportation

Cons:

Center City is a nice island surrounded by ghetto's
4% city tax for the "privilege" of living here (worth maybe a 1% tax)
Nothing compares to NYC
Lifestyle city (limited finance, always in NYC shadows)
Crime (the reputation is overblown, but it is real and you should be aware of things)
Philly natives can be a bit much sometimes

In summary, Philly is a great city, but you come here for a reason. You won't make NYC cash or have NYC opportunities, but you can live great and do very well here. Place is building and cleaning up daily. The place has some serious bad areas, but if you stay within Center City you don't run into them often. Sometimes the riff raff bleeds into the city, but the Mayor knows not to fuck with the people who actually work and pay taxes.

Oh and Cheese Steaks fucking blow at most places. The best places are little, local shops, none of that Pats/Geno's garbage.

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Jan 19, 2012 - 4:26am

San Francisco does not have good weather. You got to be joking me, it's cold all year round. I go there all the time because I have family there. Obviously it's not freezing like in New England, but that doesn't mean it's good weather.

Jan 19, 2012 - 1:49pm
goldman in da house:
San Francisco does not have good weather. You got to be joking me, it's cold all year round. I go there all the time because I have family there. Obviously it's not freezing like in New England, but that doesn't mean it's good weather.

Agreed. This is a huge misconception about SF. I had a friend who was planning on moving there because he said he wanted 'warm' fall and winters. In actuality, the climate (temperature wise) is similar to that of Maryland/VA.. meaning still COLD during the fall and winter.

Jan 20, 2012 - 5:07pm
rothyman:
goldman in da house:
San Francisco does not have good weather. You got to be joking me, it's cold all year round. I go there all the time because I have family there. Obviously it's not freezing like in New England, but that doesn't mean it's good weather.

Agreed. This is a huge misconception about SF. I had a friend who was planning on moving there because he said he wanted 'warm' fall and winters. In actuality, the climate (temperature wise) is similar to that of Maryland/VA.. meaning still COLD during the fall and winter.

lived for years in both places. you got to be kidding me.

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