If this is entry level, I would expect a ton of fit and behavioral.

I would also expect one or two technicals related to capital structure, capital markets, WACC - depending on what they expect you to be doing.

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Anglein:
Not entry level. I have a year of somewhat relevant finance experience. Thanks for the response Cries.

"Treasury Analyst" is very vague... Like the other guy said, you need to know what you will be doing. There are many areas in a large company's treasury department, from extremely boring stuff like wiring money and compliance, to more interesting things like trading, managing capital structure, cash flow projection, and risk analysis. Unfortunately, most of the treasury jobs have to do with the back office sort of work like money wiring, compliance, trade support, etc..

Even MORE than what questions you are going to be asked, I'd be thinking about ASKING the right questions. Like "What exactly will be my function in treasury? Give me typical duties I will be tasked with." etc... It may be a good thing to ask those things prior to the interview...

If it has to do with trading or trade support: think ABS, SWAPS, Bonds, Treasuries, and Funds of Funds. Those are the primary instruments of a corporate treasury's investment and liquidity portfolio. Know the general black-sholes model, know how ABS's work (+risks/benefits), know SWAPS, Treasuries, and general analysis of Funds (Jenson's aplha, treynor ratio, etc.). Know general portfolio theory.

If it has to do mainly with wiring money or compliance, politely ask where the exit is unless you are into those sort of things. Easy, decent money (at least at F500), and good hours.

If it has to do with capital management: think WACC, theories of capital management, dividend effects, stock buyback effects, stock issuance effects, effects of M&A, etc.. This is an uncommon role (F20 may have 5-10 people experts on this stuff), but nice role as it works with FP&A, corporate div, strategy, and senior management.

 

I would make sure you know what they do in a treasury role. Thats probably most important.

Will this be an operational role where your job will be to wire money to banks, type up quarterly covenant compliance, etc? or will it be more focused on corporate finance?

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Thanks guys – I guess it would be helpful if I gave you more background about the position:

The company’s market cap is around the $500m mark and it has about $150m in cash and short-term securities. I would say that the role is primarily operational in nature. From the job description, I will handle bank accounts, manage a cash flow model, financial reporting, audit support, record wires, etc.

So the job is not really about capital management and certainly not a trading support function.

 
Anglein:
Thanks guys – I guess it would be helpful if I gave you more background about the position:

The company’s market cap is around the $500m mark and it has about $150m in cash and short-term securities. I would say that the role is primarily operational in nature. From the job description, I will handle bank accounts, manage a cash flow model, financial reporting, audit support, record wires, etc.

So the job is not really about capital management and certainly not a trading support function.

Sounds interesting. I imagine you would have more interesting responsibilities seeing as how it is a smaller company. I would just make sure you like the people in the dept. - I've dealt with a lot of 'treasury analysts' and a lot of them are not very ambitious / punch the clock and get out.

 
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Anglein:
Thanks guys – I guess it would be helpful if I gave you more background about the position:

The company’s market cap is around the $500m mark and it has about $150m in cash and short-term securities. I would say that the role is primarily operational in nature. From the job description, I will handle bank accounts, manage a cash flow model, financial reporting, audit support, record wires, etc.

So the job is not really about capital management and certainly not a trading support function.

Sounds interesting. I imagine you would have more interesting responsibilities seeing as how it is a smaller company. I would just make sure you like the people in the dept. - I've dealt with a lot of 'treasury analysts' and a lot of them are not very ambitious / punch the clock and get out.

I disagree with the "sounds interesting" part though, no offense. Because it is a smaller company, I actually think it will be less interesting. Ya, you'll have more to do (maybe even more hours of work), but from what you are saying the work will be very boring and you will have a limited learning scope. I helped out with cash wires, bank accounts, and cash flow models. It's easy, but it's not fun, rewarding, or educational. And it is likely to be even worse at a small company, where the suppliers are limited, there is no capital structure to think about, no big investment decisions to be made, and a likely very routine work.

Sorry if that sounded pretty negative. I would just seriously think about where you want to be 3 years from now, and if your answer isn't "Entering wire transfers and reconciling bank accounts, now getting paid slightly more than I was paid 3 years ago" then I would look for other positions. Even if you can get into a F500 (even better F50) treasury program, that would probably give you more room for movement, you would learn more, and there is even an exit op as a trader/research analyst if you can get into the right area and finish your CFA.

I actually had stumbled upon a really interesting treasury position from Pepsico at their HQ titled "Treasury Associate". It was a rotational and had a great scope. Just Googled it, it's not up any more. But look for F500 if you're thinking treasury. In my experience, small-time treasury means "the stuff the accounting group didn't want to do, because they're busy making journal entries". Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I doubt it.

 

Bankn - I get what you are saying and you make some very valid points. But I am sure that if I perform well, there will be room to grow within the company or otherwise down the road. I appreciate the heads up, though.

Back to the interview, with respect to the type of questions that I can expect, given the nature of the position / company, what should I focus on to nail the job offer? What Cries said stands in this case ("I would expect a ton of fit and behavioral... I would also expect one or two technicals related to capital structure, capital markets, WACC")?

 
Anglein:
Bankn - I get what you are saying and you make some very valid points. But I am sure that if I perform well, there will be room to grow within the company or otherwise down the road. I appreciate the heads up, though.

Back to the interview, with respect to the type of questions that I can expect, given the nature of the position / company, what should I focus on to nail the job offer? What Cries said stands in this case ("I would expect a ton of fit and behavioral... I would also expect one or two technicals related to capital structure, capital markets, WACC")?

I would agree with at least 90% fit/behavioral. If there are technicals, I would imagine they would be centered on the investment products they probably use. Like I stated above, think Treasuries, ABS, SWAPs, bonds, and possibly fund of funds. Those are the main investment instruments of a treasury department. So do a quick overview of the way interest rates affect Treasuries/bonds, learn a little about types of ABS (risks/rewards), and do a little research on how SWAPs work and what they are used for. If you have time, you might also want to review fund performance ratios and black scholes.

Just for example, for my internship interview in treasury, I was asked "Tell me how the interest rate affects the price of a bond."

Realistically, because their portfolio of 150m is quite small, I would not expect them to have many products in place. I wouldn't worry too much about technicals, just know the fundamentals above.

 
Bankn:
Anglein:
Bankn - I get what you are saying and you make some very valid points. But I am sure that if I perform well, there will be room to grow within the company or otherwise down the road. I appreciate the heads up, though.

Back to the interview, with respect to the type of questions that I can expect, given the nature of the position / company, what should I focus on to nail the job offer? What Cries said stands in this case ("I would expect a ton of fit and behavioral... I would also expect one or two technicals related to capital structure, capital markets, WACC")?

I would agree with at least 90% fit/behavioral. If there are technicals, I would imagine they would be centered on the investment products they probably use. Like I stated above, think Treasuries, ABS, SWAPs, bonds, and possibly fund of funds. Those are the main investment instruments of a treasury department. So do a quick overview of the way interest rates affect Treasuries/bonds, learn a little about types of ABS (risks/rewards), and do a little research on how SWAPs work and what they are used for. If you have time, you might also want to review fund performance ratios and black scholes.

Just for example, for my internship interview in treasury, I was asked "Tell me how the interest rate affects the price of a bond."

Realistically, because their portfolio of 150m is quite small, I would not expect them to have many products in place. I wouldn't worry too much about technicals, just know the fundamentals above.

Thanks again Bankn - great information. I will make sure to study these products. You don't think I will be asked something about the cash flow statement?

 

Hi, I am currently working in treasury for a UK regional bank. It really depends what type of treasury as the definition is very broad. If you are talking about treasury as in cash management, handling payment systems, or treasury sales (selling the treasury services mentioned above), then i'd say the opportunities into PE/HF/IB are limited.

But if the role is offered in the trading side then u could be dealing with front office treasury traders to manage the treasury asset portfolio. This is where you can really experience the buy-side type of activities where u can take some responsibility for a trading book. I am currently working in treasury risk and also hoping that this will lead me to IB/PE/HF in future.

As i am also fairly new to the role, please correct me if i am wrong.

 
chronk:

Hi, I am currently working in treasury for a UK regional bank. It really depends what type of treasury as the definition is very broad. If you are talking about treasury as in cash management, handling payment systems, or treasury sales (selling the treasury services mentioned above), then i'd say the opportunities into PE/HF/IB are limited.

But if the role is offered in the trading side then u could be dealing with front office treasury traders to manage the treasury asset portfolio. This is where you can really experience the buy-side type of activities where u can take some responsibility for a trading book. I am currently working in treasury risk and also hoping that this will lead me to IB/PE/HF in future.

As i am also fairly new to the role, please correct me if i am wrong.

Thanks for the advice. I can actually show you the job description: "...This position will be interacting with a broad range of associates both within and outside of the company. This person will be responsible for preparing the bank covenant package and firm cash flow statements monthly. This person will also be responsible for modeling and presenting analysis on interest rate sensitivity, firm debt and funding obligations, FX hedging, and capital strategies to executive management and external clients." So, that's all I know for now, sounds like good experience but as you said, exit opportunities aren't perfect. Of course, it's better than nothing, I'm sure. Especially if I could transfer to a different area within the firm to get more on track with where I want to go.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."
 

Just wanted to update this thread in case anyone looks at it. Spoke with HR last week, discussed the position, she of course gave a very general description. Sounds like treasury analysts are segregated by group, which makes sense. Also, typically they actually do like to promote to other divisions from within, and they actually do recommend that after 2 or 3 years, you make the jump to IBD. That would be great, and an ideal career path in order to break in for me at least. As always, looking for any other advice anyone might have, and of course if anyone has experience with Baird I'd love to hear about it.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."
 

Hi all in all i think its an excellent opportunity to get your foot in the door if you dont have anything else. I also noticed that Barclays treats treasury as almost on par to sales & trading. So i'd think your exit opportunity would be very similar to traders in that case. But of course treasury is very broad, u can get to work on things like analysing capital structure and helping with funding obligations as you mentioned which i think gives u a very broad set of skills should u wish to get into IBD.

Whilst working in treasury risk, I am also thinking about applying to a tier1 tier2 bank IBD grad program. So we are kinda on the same boat now. I'd like to see how you get on...! if you have any questions about treasury, u can pm me.

 
chronk:

Hi all in all i think its an excellent opportunity to get your foot in the door if you dont have anything else. I also noticed that Barclays treats treasury as almost on par to sales & trading. So i'd think your exit opportunity would be very similar to traders in that case. But of course treasury is very broad, u can get to work on things like analysing capital structure and helping with funding obligations as you mentioned which i think gives u a very broad set of skills should u wish to get into IBD.

Whilst working in treasury risk, I am also thinking about applying to a tier1 tier2 bank IBD grad program. So we are kinda on the same boat now. I'd like to see how you get on...! if you have any questions about treasury, u can pm me.

Yeah I'm hoping so, in fact she even told me that a few of the higher-ups on the IBD side came from treasury. So I'm optimistic. Don't really want to stay in banking for a long time as I want to jump to the buy side eventually but it definitely seems like a good way to get started. I will definitely do that, thanks.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."
 

i interned in treasury at BNY Mellon a while back. I worked on overnight placements, which was basically banks either depositing or borrowing money over night so they would be aligned with fed requirements. Basically, the floor I was on it, it functioned very similar to trading, but with "balancing the books" type of activities instead of making profit the ultimate purpose.

 

I think this depends on the type of firm. I have a classmate who is a treasury analyst at an F500 and he says that depending on the team, they do stuff like hedging, maintaining relations with major creditors and rating agencies, managing working capital, etc. I would imagine that the actual day-to-day activities are somewhat different at a financial institution as per what @"OpsDude" said. As far as I can tell though, it all has to do with managing cash and liquidity in some way.

 

For what it's worth, I'm interning in the treasury department of a F1000 company this summer. I obviously don't have the experience to give you many details, but I'll give it a shot. The treasury team is part of everything that the company does that is money related (which is almost everything). One of the things my team is doing is FX hedging, so we are determining what % of our FX expenses we want to hedge, and then making a plan for when we make these trades and when we want them to vest. We are also managing the share repurchase program and determining what to do with extra cash. After that, it's a bunch of little things, like implementing new pay systems in eCommerce, bringing in cash cards for our retail employees so we can save money on sending checks, being part of meetings where we are fixing bugs in our point of sale credit card transactions that sometimes double-debit or double-credit. We also have to send out releases for our retail locations to be able to pick up cash from a local bank to be able have cash in their registers.

That's a very general overview of the treasury department of a retail company. Working at a bank is different, I'm sure, but in general it's going to be anything related to the inflow and outflow of cash. Sometimes it can be really interesting. We are renegotiating our credit agreement which will save us millions, so it's been interesting working on that. On the other hand, the daily grind, like sending out our daily liquidity report to management, is straight boring and mundane. That's what little info I can give you as a summer intern. Let me know if you have any questions

 

I'm still interning here, so I'm not yet privy to salary information. What I can see from our proxy statement, though, is that our execs get paid similar to most F500 companies. Also, the other people on the treasury team have top MBA's and experience at well-known companies, so I doubt that they are getting paid less than industry average. As far as exit ops, I know one guy moved to the supply FP&A team after working as a treasury analyst here for a few years. He was promoted from analyst to manager. I had lunch with him the other day and he talked about how treasury gives such a wide range of experience and exposure since treasury deals with all cash flows, which means you'll deal with almost all parts of a business. You can make connections everywhere within your own company, and are in on all kinds of discussions with banks and other companies. The networking opportunities are pretty broad, even in my short experience here. I have worked with eCommerce, International Finance, AP, Internal reporting, Internal Audit, FP&A, I have met with bankers a couple of times, I've met treasury professionals from nearby companies.. And I've only been here for a month. Again, this is all coming from my current summer internship in the treasury/IR department of a F1000 company, so not exactly the same as a regional bank like you are talking about. My gut feel, which again is coming from my very limited knowledge, about working in treasury is that it's a good stepping stone job if you aren't quite sure where you want to be. It gives you experience with many many parts of the business and lets you network with a lot of people. I am not yet sure if I want to shoot for Corp Dev or FP&A, so I see treasury as a good experience while I am figuring things out, and I would very seriously consider a FT here if it is offered. Long term, though, I don't want to become a "treasury guy" because I feel like the higher you go, the less analysis you do and the more you just answer for the treasury department and release funds and such.

 

I worked in Treasury for a couple of years so perhaps could give you a bit of insight to what this role entails.

Reading from the spec, it appears to be quite a technical role focusing on building and maintaining financial models that underpins Treasury operations. This could require you to talk to various parties to collect business assumptions for the foreseeable future and build these assumptions to produce a realistic forecast. In order to build a realistic forecast, you need to have a good grasp of how the business plan will impact funding & liquidity and more importantly how interest rate/liquidity/capital concerns will impact how Treasury plans to meet funding needs whilst maintaining good liquidity.

 

@chronk

Wow that was super informative. What would you say is the best way to impress them in the interview? - What would be good questions to ask them? - Regarding the interest risk aspect, Can you please give me a walk through on how that works? - What is the compensation (salary/bonus) (and I have a silly question: Do TA's get a laptop?( The recruiter/HR person seemed really impressed with my experience with excel budgeting experience.

 

ok so i got past the HR interview and now I'm being schedule to talk to 'a few leaders' in treasury. can anyone look at my OP and give me tips on what the interview will bee like? Compensation? hours? etc

thanks

 
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As always, best way to impress them is to be able to identify most topical issues in the field. Easiest place to start is the biggest event happening in the financial world. But most important thing is you need to identify how it impacts us. Our primary goal is to manage the cost of debt, so anything that affects this can be an interesting topic. Good questions to ask would be: - How Treasury currently fund the business - Funding mix = secured & unsecured - Whats their liquidity target These are all examples of questions to ask to define the characteristics of the Treasury function. These are all big topics so can easily turn into an interesting conversation. For Treasury, interest rate risk assess the sensitivity of interest rate rise to cost of debt. This essentially looks at the marginal cost of debt should interest rate rise. To do this, you need to know the characteristics of debt instruments you have got and how its cost will increase with a rise in the benchmark. This should give you an estimate of how steep the cost will increase if interest rate rises and based on that, you can determine the optimal funding mix when the prospect of interest rate rise is low/high. Comps are obviously not as high as IB/HF roles but they are certainly not bad. We get paid higher than other functions due to the technicality of the role involved, so theres a bit of premium factor to work in here. Re: laptop – this really depends on your company culture. We only give laptop to perm staffs. Grads on rotation dnt get one. This should be a Excel heavy role so do emphasize your excel skills and maybe brush up your macros/VBA, etc.

 
chronk:

As always, best way to impress them is to be able to identify most topical issues in the field. Easiest place to start is the biggest event happening in the financial world. But most important thing is you need to identify how it impacts us. Our primary goal is to manage the cost of debt, so anything that affects this can be an interesting topic.
Good questions to ask would be:
- How Treasury currently fund the business
- Funding mix = secured & unsecured
- Whats their liquidity target
These are all examples of questions to ask to define the characteristics of the Treasury function. These are all big topics so can easily turn into an interesting conversation.
For Treasury, interest rate risk assess the sensitivity of interest rate rise to cost of debt. This essentially looks at the marginal cost of debt should interest rate rise. To do this, you need to know the characteristics of debt instruments you have got and how its cost will increase with a rise in the benchmark. This should give you an estimate of how steep the cost will increase if interest rate rises and based on that, you can determine the optimal funding mix when the prospect of interest rate rise is low/high.
Comps are obviously not as high as IB/HF roles but they are certainly not bad. We get paid higher than other functions due to the technicality of the role involved, so theres a bit of premium factor to work in here.
Re: laptop - this really depends on your company culture. We only give laptop to perm staffs. Grads on rotation dnt get one.
This should be a Excel heavy role so do emphasize your excel skills and maybe brush up your macros/VBA, etc.

Thank you so much for the help.

I will be separately meeting with 2 Senior treasury analyst, the Capital planning manager, and the risk/rate manager. any tips on what to ask each one? and what I should be focused on for each?

Regarding the interest risk rate part. the question I currently have prepared is: this role demands alot of work with interest rate risks, how sensitive would you say it is at this point and do you currently have any plans to make it less sensitive? I'm thinking of asking the rate/risk manager this question.

other questions I have planned so far:

Senior Treasury analyst A: I have some experience with VBA using excel, will I be able to use it when working on a cash flow model?

Senior Treasury analyst B: Will the cash flow models have any link to the balance sheet forecasting?

Capital Planning manager: since this role requires a lot of work with cash flows and the balance sheet, what is the liquidity target for the company and is this broken down by monthly liquidity target or is it a much broader time frame?

Any tips would be be really appreciated. also, What would be a basic VBA code that would be relevant to a cash flow model?

thanks in advance

 

hey sorry i havent been checking on this as work got too busy. You are asking the right question to the right person, (apart from the senior analysts as i dnt know what they do). But at the end of the day, for someone at junior level, its more of a personality fit than your technical ability. On the condition that you have the right background and you prove you are willing to learn, they are happy to teach you the stuff.

Once again apology for late reply. I hope it has gone well.

 
chronk:

hey sorry i havent been checking on this as work got too busy. You are asking the right question to the right person, (apart from the senior analysts as i dnt know what they do). But at the end of the day, for someone at junior level, its more of a personality fit than your technical ability. On the condition that you have the right background and you prove you are willing to learn, they are happy to teach you the stuff.

Once again apology for late reply. I hope it has gone well.

no problem. the first interview was with someone I would be working with, She didn't seem overly critical but she did ask for my GPA (which is really low 2.7) and that really destroyed my confidence, but the rest of the interview went well because I was able to show I had alot experience working with excel and cash flows.

The 2nd interview was with a guy that was more concerned with treasury as a whole and he talked alot and He also asked for my GPA.

the 3rd guy was the manager of the part of treausry I would be working in and he did not as for GPA. He asked what I would factor in to predict future cash flows and I answered I would consider the payment history and interest rates. He didn't seem too excited by that answer so during questions time I asked him what he would consider. He said he would also factor in the maturity of the loan. at that point I remembered and said "oh yea and also factor in the risk of them prepaying the loan. he asked about liquidity and the bank's line of business which I was able to answer.

Last interview was with hiring manager and she also didn't ask for GPA. I really thought i did well. I was able to tell her alot about my experiences and she genuinely seemed impressed. The only strange part was the interview was only 35 min. It was scheduled to last 1 hour. It was friday and she made it seem like she wanted to get me out becuase she thought I was tired from interviewing for 4 hours and it was friday evening.

I asked for the next step and she said I was one of the first people to interview; and that I should expect to hear from the HR recruiter in two weeks (they have 2 treasury analyst positions open). The thing is I'm expecting another offer from a different company for a trainee program that will start 8/3/2015 and although I prefer the treasury analyst role, I might have to make a haste decision if i get an offer this week. How should I go about this? The trainee program is 51,000 yearly and I'm not sure what treasury analyst salary will be

 

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