Investor Prestige Rankings
S-Tier: Warren Buffett, Jim Simons, Ben Graham, George Soros
A-Tier: Seth Klarman, Howard Marks, Julian Robertson, Steve Mandel, Cliff Asness, David Swensen, Joel Greenblatt, Bill Gross, Mario Gabelli, Walter Schloss, Charlie Munger, Paul Tudor Jones, Michael Steinhardt, Stanley Druckenmiller, Ray Dalio, Peter Lynch, Ken Griffin, Steve Cohen, Carl Icahn, DE Shaw, Bill Nygren, Sam Zell
B-Tier: Chase Coleman, Phillipe Lafont, Antti Ilmanen, Glenn Greenberg, Bill Ackman, Steve Schwarzman, Jesse Livermore, Michael Burry, Dan Loeb, Alfred W Jones, Mitch Julius, David Abrams, Phil Fisher
C-Tier: Gabe Plotkin, Wes Gray, Tobias Carlisle, DeepFuckingValue, John Paulson
D-Tier: Fred Liu, David Einhorn
F-Tier: Cathie Wood, Bill Hwang, Robert Merton and Myron Scholes (as part of LTCM)
Please make your own if anyone feels like it, for fun comparisons
SS Tier- Nancy Pelosi, RBC insider trading kid
Can't neglect Jim Cramer in that power tier too
The mytical Bill Tsai AKA “the Tsaize”
Would out Michael Platt somewhere on this list.
For what it’s worth, this is a good list. Would switch Bill Ackman and Ichan though after the Hindenburg report lol. Ackman’s Twitter account is too funny.
Alright Bill, you shit spewing dog
Okay Bill, you crap spewing dog
How is Stanley Druckenmiller not S-Tier after 30 years of 30% average annual returns? Also surprising Steve Schwarzman is not A-Tier as he created a $100B+ market cap PE firm that revolutionized the alternative asset industry. The list is missing a lot of people associated with the Bass family wealth, original GS prop trading desk, VC investors, International investors, other people within Buffett’s circle, etc.
His family office is down like 60%….
Duquesne’s down 60% this year? No way
Haha so please do make your own.
Stanley isn't S tier for me because I feel like he doesnt rlly have an impact outside of his returns, like the other S tier guys do.
Steve isn't A tier because (controversial) I feel like privates is just less process-based than publics. Plus he only ran the buyout team for a relatively short while - most of his career was spent as an executive and CEO
Yea, idk too many international investors other than Li Lu who I forgot to include. Not too familiar with VC
Agreed on Steve. I feel like he's more of an extraordinary leader and visionary rather than an extraordinary investor
delusional. Stan sees the future of economies better than Bernanke, Yellen, etc. He's the greatest. I don't think anyone can see the future as well as him.
Ole Andreas Halvorsen should be on here
I'm not very familiar on him so I didn't wanna make assumptions about him
He r runs shop that pillages
All of these people are infinitely wealthier than I am in an industry that only cares about money so they're all S-tier to me
What determines placement? Returns over a 10, 20, 30 year period? Absolute returns or alpha? Or is it more about whether or not they built a large investment firm that made them billionaires? Or is it about their media skills in becoming a public persona? More about innovation in the field? More about them being a teacher who influenced a lot of investors?
90% of what we know about these people comes from the same handful of books and interviews we all read. There are a ton more of "legendary" investors who are just not public personas.
There is also a distinction between those who are great business people (raising assets, creating and selling the right investment product at the right times) and those who are great investors (innovated to develop a somewhat differentiated process to uncover dislocations and generate strong absolute returns).
Also I agree with the guy who said that anyone who has made $100mn for themselves from investing work is S tier in my book.
I'm only talking about L/S. 95% of the guys on ur list are just marketing geniuses / asset gatherers / right place right time / rich parents type
The best IRR HOF / alpha generators are ppl you've never heard of. The list SHOULD look like:
The greatest SM funds are the ones you've never heard of in like Malibu or Atlanta or Monaco. The amount of PMs quietly minting hundreds of $m / even billions is shocking. Work for the above guys, not d1 or tiger
Just curious because I want/wanted to move to Atlanta so I researched every single fund that exists there today- there are not many so what SMs are you referring to? Blue Grotto? GMT Capital?
Precisely
Hi. Any particular names in Monaco that you know of?
Putting Fred Liu and David Einhorn in the same tier is disgusting lmfao
They're both pretty incompetent
Cramer?
F. But then he's more of a sell side guy and spent most of his career just as a 'pundit', although he managed a book for a short while. It's why I didnt include A-tier people like Maubossin because they're just sell-side folks
David Tepper and Izzy Englander are both A tier
Yes I would agree. I forgot about them at the time
You’re gonna put Iggy in tier above Cohen? His wife left him for a woman
Bernard Madoff managed to get really good returns for many of his investors over a pretty long time. He was pretty influential for the NASDAQ too. He also showed that the SEC is a joke
Left out macro legends Louis Bacon, Bruce Kovner, Michael Marcus, Ed Seykota
Kovner S tier. Spoke to a pM who was at commodities Corp with him, the legends are crazy
PIMCO's Bill Gross should be S tier imo..
I rlly wonder why he left PIMCO. And I wonder if PIMCO still retains any of his influence and process. Feels kinda poignant to leave the legacy that you built, whether thru internal politics or whatever
He was pushed out by Ivascyn and other senior people at the firm and subsequently had shit performance at Janus. He lost his edge a long time ago but is the reason PIMCO is what it is today.
No way David Abrams is B-Tier, All time performance solely based on 13Fs is 18.5x since inception, not to mention only half of the AUM is even in public equities, it used to be a well known fact around 2014-15 times that Abrams returned at least 15% annualized for over 15 years, with no use of leverage. Plus the fact that he is low profile and doesn't market himself and let's the numbers speak should easily give him an 'A' imo.
Tepper in upper A tier
Paul Singer?
Oh shit forgot about him. Defo a solid A
Ron Baron
Bill Miller
You people need to get out more
Paul Singer???
You forgot Marc Lasry
S-Tier: Warren Buffett
F-Tier: Me
Surprised you missed Christopher Hohn. This guys has generated phenomenal returns over the last decades. Would put him in high A or even S
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