Man that sounds rough I feel for you. Worst thing that could happen at ANY job is having bad coworkers. Don't take it personally. Bankers are bitter sleep deprived people. They're expecting a fresh faced college student to be as efficient as someone who's done the job for years - totally unrealistic.
Frankly, it sounds like you might have a timid personality. As Rumsfeld said, "weakness is provocative". Remember to assert yourself without sounding rude; be confident and articulate; don't slouch. Try to get that offer and leverage it to other places. No amount of money is worth being abused.
People tend to think life is a race with other people. They don't realize that every moment they spend sprinting towards the finish line is a moment they lose permanently, and a moment closer to their death.
rickyrossMan that sounds rough I feel for you. Worst thing that could happen at ANY job is having bad coworkers. Don't take it personally. Bankers are bitter sleep deprived people. They're expecting a fresh faced college student to be as efficient as someone who's done the job for years - totally unrealistic.
Frankly, it sounds like you might have a timid personality. As Rumsfeld said, "weakness is provocative". Remember to assert yourself without sounding rude; be confident and articulate; don't slouch. Try to get that offer and leverage it to other places. No amount of money is worth being abused.
Is it worth sticking up for yourself if you're wrongly accused of screwing up?
Or does it tend to bring more trouble than anything else?
Thought so. Very typical of a small boutique with no real training infrastructure. The junior bankers are stretched thin enough as it is without a dedicated production and computer graphics staff. They have to do a lot of administrative bitch work on top of the typical analyst grunt work and thus do not feel like spending even more time teaching interns.
I had a very similar experience for my internship. Just try to learn new skills that will make you do your work faster (e.g. organizational habits, keyboard shortcuts, etc.). Get more familiar with certain processes and try to remember every step the first time. It's a shitty way of being trained, but you'll have to take it on yourself to learn and improve.
^^ "Do not feel like spending even more time teaching interns". This.
I remember now the collective eye-roll on my first day like "ughhh.... who is gonna get stuck with the new guy..." I'm trying really hard not to take it personally, but I really feel like they hate me because I cause them more work (and perhaps rightfully so). Will suffering thru this internship even benefit me in today's economy?
Bro, you need to pull through. There is nothing good that can come out of quiting. You will suffer, but you will learn and grow as a professional. Difficult co-workers always suck but if you can finish this summer off, you won't have to see them again. Just be selfish and try to learn as much as possible from them, even if they are reluctant to teach you.
don't quit man. toughen it up and ppl will hopefully see the improvements. its tough being an intern, even more so at a smaller firm but you hv to remember that there is light at the end of the tunnel. 8/9 more weeks?
just do it with a smile and ppl will start noticing that u hv a strong work ethic and willing to do the grunt work.
and then if you dont want to come back, you can try to leverage the experience for FT at BBs. but quitting would take that out of the picture. even if u get a FT position, you dont want them to say crap about u when they do background checks and what not. think long term and you'll do fine.
I think someone mentioned it in some other thread, but try and reframe your internship. Instead of asking things like "what can/should I do now?" which will force them to stop what they are doing and hold your hand through something, try saying things like "What can I do to make your life easier?" You may got a lot of extra grunt work, but it may change your co-workers impression of you from a liability to an asset.
thatsracistI think someone mentioned it in some other thread, but try and reframe your internship. Instead of asking things like "what can/should I do now?" which will force them to stop what they are doing and hold your hand through something, try saying things like "What can I do to make your life easier?" You may got a lot of extra grunt work, but it may change your co-workers impression of you from a liability to an asset.
Thanks guys. Good advice. That's what I did today and it seems to have worked somewhat. So even tho I got bitched out for a formatting issue that was not my fault, I ended up helping solve a calculation that no one knew how to do and redeemed myself.
tupsi22Thanks guys. Good advice. That's what I did today and it seems to have worked somewhat. So even tho I got bitched out for a formatting issue that was not my fault, I ended up helping solve a calculation that no one knew how to do and redeemed myself.
One other thing, don't complain about it not being your fault. Everyone is expected to be a quality check for everyone else. So if you worked on that project in any amount it is your fault as well as everyone elses who worked on it. Man up and take some responsibility for it and you will gain much respect from your co-workers.
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Like the others said, just hang in there and learn as much as you can, even if it is by yourself. Worst case scenario, you get to put IB SA down on your resume, and even though those people sound awful you only have to stand them for another 8 weeks or so. It's not like you're stuck there FT. Just keep thinking that it will eventually finish.
I might be alone in my view on this, but I know I do this and I am sure people at bigger banks would feel the same way. Personally I would rather have someone working with me who went through a shitty stint at a place that had little formal traning and came out of it with good to great work reviews. It shows strong work ethic and a desire to succeed. Maybe that is just me but that is what I always look for in investment partners.
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Be a man and stick up for yourself. If you let people push you around now, they'll always be someone else in the future doing it. Now Im not saying go batshit crazy.
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Sounds like an awful summer bro, ask for specific behaviors you can improve on.
Are you at a boutique?
^^ Yep. Small firm.
Man that sounds rough I feel for you. Worst thing that could happen at ANY job is having bad coworkers. Don't take it personally. Bankers are bitter sleep deprived people. They're expecting a fresh faced college student to be as efficient as someone who's done the job for years - totally unrealistic.
Frankly, it sounds like you might have a timid personality. As Rumsfeld said, "weakness is provocative". Remember to assert yourself without sounding rude; be confident and articulate; don't slouch. Try to get that offer and leverage it to other places. No amount of money is worth being abused.
Is it worth sticking up for yourself if you're wrongly accused of screwing up? Or does it tend to bring more trouble than anything else?
I just can't understand not getting feedback to improve. It's like they want me to fail. I don't get it.
That sounds like BS to me. We don't treat our SAs like that and any decent firm shouldn't. Stand up for yourself, it sounds like these guys are dicks.
Thought so. Very typical of a small boutique with no real training infrastructure. The junior bankers are stretched thin enough as it is without a dedicated production and computer graphics staff. They have to do a lot of administrative bitch work on top of the typical analyst grunt work and thus do not feel like spending even more time teaching interns.
I had a very similar experience for my internship. Just try to learn new skills that will make you do your work faster (e.g. organizational habits, keyboard shortcuts, etc.). Get more familiar with certain processes and try to remember every step the first time. It's a shitty way of being trained, but you'll have to take it on yourself to learn and improve.
^^ "Do not feel like spending even more time teaching interns". This.
I remember now the collective eye-roll on my first day like "ughhh.... who is gonna get stuck with the new guy..." I'm trying really hard not to take it personally, but I really feel like they hate me because I cause them more work (and perhaps rightfully so). Will suffering thru this internship even benefit me in today's economy?
Bro, you need to pull through. There is nothing good that can come out of quiting. You will suffer, but you will learn and grow as a professional. Difficult co-workers always suck but if you can finish this summer off, you won't have to see them again. Just be selfish and try to learn as much as possible from them, even if they are reluctant to teach you.
don't quit man. toughen it up and ppl will hopefully see the improvements. its tough being an intern, even more so at a smaller firm but you hv to remember that there is light at the end of the tunnel. 8/9 more weeks?
just do it with a smile and ppl will start noticing that u hv a strong work ethic and willing to do the grunt work. and then if you dont want to come back, you can try to leverage the experience for FT at BBs. but quitting would take that out of the picture. even if u get a FT position, you dont want them to say crap about u when they do background checks and what not. think long term and you'll do fine.
I think someone mentioned it in some other thread, but try and reframe your internship. Instead of asking things like "what can/should I do now?" which will force them to stop what they are doing and hold your hand through something, try saying things like "What can I do to make your life easier?" You may got a lot of extra grunt work, but it may change your co-workers impression of you from a liability to an asset.
Or even just, "What can I do for you?"
Thanks guys. Good advice. That's what I did today and it seems to have worked somewhat. So even tho I got bitched out for a formatting issue that was not my fault, I ended up helping solve a calculation that no one knew how to do and redeemed myself.
One other thing, don't complain about it not being your fault. Everyone is expected to be a quality check for everyone else. So if you worked on that project in any amount it is your fault as well as everyone elses who worked on it. Man up and take some responsibility for it and you will gain much respect from your co-workers.
Like the others said, just hang in there and learn as much as you can, even if it is by yourself. Worst case scenario, you get to put IB SA down on your resume, and even though those people sound awful you only have to stand them for another 8 weeks or so. It's not like you're stuck there FT. Just keep thinking that it will eventually finish.
I might be alone in my view on this, but I know I do this and I am sure people at bigger banks would feel the same way. Personally I would rather have someone working with me who went through a shitty stint at a place that had little formal traning and came out of it with good to great work reviews. It shows strong work ethic and a desire to succeed. Maybe that is just me but that is what I always look for in investment partners.
Sounds like a pretty crappy group culture. I'd hate to be in your shoes. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do besides 'dealing with it.'
Be a man and stick up for yourself. If you let people push you around now, they'll always be someone else in the future doing it. Now Im not saying go batshit crazy.
Reminds me of the semester I spent pledging my fraternity.
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