Modeling is overrated, technical prep matters a lot too for PE Associate Recruiting
As incoming analysts / current first years are preparing for PE Associate recruiting, there’s one particular phenomenon that I’ve noticed (and fallen guilty to myself) that leads to some candidates spending 100s of hours on PE prep but never walking away with an offer.
And it’s a trap that you never fully consider, given the echo chamber and popular online courses that focus primarily on one skill over everything else – LBO modeling.
People spend far too much prep time on LBO modeling and not nearly enough on technical questions, case studies, deal walkthroughs and behaviorals. It’s easy to worry the most about LBO modeling given that everything else “can be thought of on the spot”, but I’d argue that you are doing yourself a disservice if you spend 80% of your prep time on cranking out LBOs.
Consider this – model tests are always given at the very beginning of the interview process for every firm. They are used as a “check the box” exercise, and are never something that is brought up again when actually deciding between the 10-20 final candidates in later rounds of the process.
After you pass the model round, there’s still at least 3 - 8+ rounds of interviews waiting for you, all of which matter so much more than creating a passable model. It’s easy to chalk these rounds up to being as easy as investment banking technicals, but from experience, this couldn’t be further from the truth.
There’s such a large quantum of things to master – industry knowledge, strategic case studies, deal walkthroughs, firm interest, macro knowledge, technicals…the list goes on and on. You need to spend extensive time getting these down cold – for most big name funds there are 2 - 4 seats per group, and hundreds of qualified IB analysts gunning for these spots.
With regards to technicals alone – you need to be certain on revenue builds, topline vs. margin vs. FCF, valuation, accounting, mental LBO math, brainteasers, etc. – so many things that I would need to create a second post for.
So what’s the solution? Spend more time practicing all of the above and less time on modeling once you can create an LBO from scratch (level 3-4 of PF).
Sure, you still need to be able to handle a few of the LBO complexities, but there’s far too much focus spent on LBOs compared to everything else that truly is the differentiating factor between applicants.
When you are competing with 10 other candidates in the latter rounds of the process, you need to be perfect in every other aspect beyond modeling. Really wish someone told me this straight when I was preparing for PE roles and was ultimately the difference between me getting an offer in the later processes I participated in vs. the first ones.
This is excellent advice all candidates should take note of (coming from someone actively involved in recruiting at a MM PE firm). Modeling is a check-the-box, not a differentiator.
What would you say are the most important things your firm is looking for?
in no particular order:
1. strong command of past experiences and proving that you've learned/retained skills and takeaways
2. history / indicators of being driven, well-rounded, and intellectually curious
3. ability to analyze new info, structure your thinking on the fly, and focus on what matters - this gets at all the points above, modeling is an output that requires inputs derived from much more than just knowing how a debt waterfall works
4. coming off like a normal person, being additive to culture, etc. Strong no-assholes policy.
Extremely helpful, thank you very much!
Spoiler: firm comprised 100% of assholes
agree with all of this. Would also throw in having a genuine and differentiated interest in the fund / investments they make. That goes a long way in my opinion
While this is true, I think there's a cap to how "difficult" technicals can get--there's only so much post-IB math to do on what juices returns, what operating leverage is, etc. I think case study skills and especially deal walkthroughs are massively underrated. You should be able to paper LBO a deal you've done (or a theoretical deal you would have done) in your sleep and speak quite eloquently about the pros and cons of an investment at length for an hour if you want to come across "like an investor."
I agree, but the hardest part in my opinion is that these types of technicals are now weaved into every possible type of interview you will have. Case studies, one off questions, bringing up random businesses, etc. all have technicals about valuation, cash flow, etc etc in my opinion
How do you prep for PE technicals
Could you post some examples of more advanced technical questions that you've seen candidates struggle with? I think most people practice paper LBOs, but there's other stuff like purchase price allocation accounting that I've struggled with
I'm compiling a list of advanced questions actually (that go far beyond the BIWS guide for example). Not 100% ready to go, but feel free to DM me and I can share
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Yeah this is true and in my experience it’s smaller funds that ask the craziest shit. MFs that I interviewed at or have primary source knowledge of were much more formulaic and relied much more on the model test as the technical test.
great post - bump. If anyone's got any other advice on how to prep for tough technicals would be much appreciated.
Modeling and technical go hand in hand pal. The real question is do you have soft skills and charm.
It’s a lot of like income statement math that makes the interviewer feel really smart tbh
Could you expand on this? - Something I’ve not seen much off across the various interview guides. Tia.
Agree lol.
The following topics are a start:
Yup. They love the rev increases by 10%, how much does GM/EBITDA increase by etc. so dumb lol
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