Thoughts on Evercore?

Hey monkeys,

Got an offer from Evercore for Full Time.
I was wondering if anyone had insight into what their PE placement looks like at the analyst level, and what their MBA placement looks like further down the line.
Haven't really decided what I want to do in the next 2-3 years, but Im curious as to how Evercore places.

Thanks!

 

EVR is an amazing firm and has been doing well lately. Only BB's I would consider taking over EVR would be GS/MS/JPM. For PE, I have seen a bunch of their analysts go to MF, and its also possible to get into H/S/W from EVR if you finish the 3-year analyst stint.

Hope that helps.

 
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NYC places really well on the buyside. From what I have seen, I personally believe EVR / GHL / BX are the top jobs you can get on the street coming out of undergrad gasp. Generally, they have the same rep as MS / GS for placement on the buyside and BX and GHL typically don't crush you with 100 hour work-weeks. Work life balance is pretty good. I've heard mixed at Evercore but can't complain about placement.

Sure GS / MS will place more kids on the buyside but they have larger classes. If you look at it on a % basis, which is more relevant, then these "elite boutiques" are best.

Fwiw, I didnt work at any of these shops.

 

Weak shop... Look elsewhere

[quote=Dirk Dirkenson]Shut up already. Your mindless, reflexive responses to any critical thought on this are tedious. You're also probably a woman, given the name and "xoxo" signoff, so maybe the lack of judgment is to be expected.[/quote]
 

What do you mean you want "new" info? This site receives questions like this every day. Use the search function, look at the company database, look at the company website, and read NYT Dealbook to see recent transactions...

People aren't going to do the work for you... Research should be your responsibility. People are happy to answer questions but not dumb questions... and make no mistake... there are dumb questions. This happens to be an example. Unless you have been living under a rock, if you have any modicum of interest in working in banking, the answer to this question would be very simple. Take a bit of time to do some research and read up on the firm.

[quote=Dirk Dirkenson]Shut up already. Your mindless, reflexive responses to any critical thought on this are tedious. You're also probably a woman, given the name and "xoxo" signoff, so maybe the lack of judgment is to be expected.[/quote]
 
Louboutins and Leverage:
What do you mean you want "new" info? This site receives questions like this every day. Use the search function, look at the company database, look at the company website, and read NYT Dealbook to see recent transactions...

People aren't going to do the work for you... Research should be your responsibility. People are happy to answer questions but not dumb questions... and make no mistake... there are dumb questions. This happens to be an example. Unless you have been living under a rock, if you have any modicum of interest in working in banking, the answer to this question would be very simple. Take a bit of time to do some research and read up on the firm.

stfu please... he just wants opinions from people in the industry

 
09wranger:
I know there's threads about this already but I want new info. What is the overall opinion about Evercore Partners and what are the strongest desks?

Beyond anything else, it's really strange to ask what "desks" are the strongest at a boutique advisory firm. Unless you're looking in their small S&T or capital markets teams.

"For all the tribulations in our lives, for all the troubles that remain in the world, the decline of violence is an accomplishment we can savor, and an impetus to cherish the forces of civilization and enlightenment that made it possible."
 
NorthSider:
09wranger:
I know there's threads about this already but I want new info. What is the overall opinion about Evercore Partners and what are the strongest desks?

Beyond anything else, it's really strange to ask what "desks" are the strongest at a boutique advisory firm. Unless you're looking in their small S&T or capital markets teams.

I may have used the wrong word. I know there m&a is strong but I was wondering about there Restructuring and Institutional Equities. I did do a lot of research but I was looking for people's personal opinions on them who are in the industry as I am just going by there site and what articles I find.

 

They came to campus and everyone seemed to think they were pretty fucking sharp. Had some huge deals. Not sure what L&L is hating on. Elaborate L&L...

Rarely will any of my posts have enough forethought/structure to be taken seriously.
 
RepThyBananas:
They came to campus and everyone seemed to think they were pretty fucking sharp. Had some huge deals. Not sure what L&L is hating on. Elaborate L&L...

99.99% sure that he was being facetious. Obviously EVR is a top shop.

"For all the tribulations in our lives, for all the troubles that remain in the world, the decline of violence is an accomplishment we can savor, and an impetus to cherish the forces of civilization and enlightenment that made it possible."
 
RepThyBananas:
They came to campus and everyone seemed to think they were pretty fucking sharp. Had some huge deals. Not sure what L&L is hating on. Elaborate L&L...

For clarification, Evercore is an incredible firm and I am not hating on anything other than the absurdity of the question. All the people over there are sharp and it's an excellent firm to work for. They pay well and you will get great exposure.

I was trolling the OP because he asked an extremely obtuse question which has been answered ad nauseum on this forum. Sorry for that...

xoxo

[quote=Dirk Dirkenson]Shut up already. Your mindless, reflexive responses to any critical thought on this are tedious. You're also probably a woman, given the name and "xoxo" signoff, so maybe the lack of judgment is to be expected.[/quote]
 

OP, I would check out league tables if you have access to them. You can see overall M&A advisory and also breakdowns by industry groups. These forums prob are not going to be that helpful unless you want info on firm culture but even then it's usually not reliable data. Alot of people without industry experience will tell you everything they "know" about EVR (parroting other WSO posters without firsthand knowledge). The raw league table data speaks for itself.

 
adapt or die:
OP, I would check out league tables if you have access to them. You can see overall M&A advisory and also breakdowns by industry groups. These forums prob are not going to be that helpful unless you want info on firm culture but even then it's usually not reliable data. Alot of people without industry experience will tell you everything they "know" about EVR (parroting other WSO posters without firsthand knowledge). The raw league table data speaks for itself.

Disagree. League tables aren't going to tell you anything about what analysts care about: placement, deal experience, best groups, etc. That said, as the broadest barometer, I guess they could be useful.

"For all the tribulations in our lives, for all the troubles that remain in the world, the decline of violence is an accomplishment we can savor, and an impetus to cherish the forces of civilization and enlightenment that made it possible."
 
Nouveau Richie:
All you non-industry folks please keep criticizing L&L! It's just too much fun to watch her own you.
[quote=Dirk Dirkenson]Shut up already. Your mindless, reflexive responses to any critical thought on this are tedious. You're also probably a woman, given the name and "xoxo" signoff, so maybe the lack of judgment is to be expected.[/quote]
 

Yes.

There was a lot of talk over the summer of strife among upper management at Greenhill... doesn't seem like they're headed in the right direction.

I feel like the verdict is still out on Moelis; they've done some pretty impressive M&A deals and still have a ton of heavy hitters at the MD level. However, the mandates they win still pale in comparison to what Lazard and Evercore are getting. Not sure why Rothschild is up there though tbh.

 
xyz12345:
Not sure why Rothschild is up there though tbh.
History: lots of Europeans still do business with them and even if this is a bad year, they will continue to have credbility. Notice that they are not frequently mentioned in articles discussing causes of the financial panic. They also have lots of other interests outside of straight laced Ibanking.

Of all of the new boutiques, Evercore is best positioned to survive and prosper long term when the general economy settles and BB's regain their footing. It's one of the few places that people choose over BBs like GS/JPM because they're getting a real career advantage in the big picture, and most of the others are a function of laziness, trendiness, overspecialization, incorrectly percieved opportunity, or a general inability to compete in the A league.

I'm heavily biased against boutiques and think it's just a fad, so I'll be uprfont about it: I see the 'boutique boom' as a short lived trend. Most of the smaller places (Moellis, etc...) simply do not have the desire, resources, and leadership to compete against the bigger banks across multiple channels, and many also also suffer from amateurish management with succession issues. Only a few (LAZ, EVRCR, etc...) are really well positioned to grow long term, and the rest will stay small, go under, or be bought out within a few years. I compare them to punk bands: a few are really blowing up, and a few have a solid long term presence, but the rest have a cult following with no mainstream appeal.

Get busy living
 
ERGOHOC:
According to Thomson data Lazard's deal flow was pretty bad this year. that makes Evercore top this year. Evercore Partners $194,983.96 MM Lazard $93,094.90 MM

I think your numbers might be off, I'm seeing Thomson YTD U.S. as of last week of: Evercore $197mm Lazard $146mm

In addition, I'm pretty sure that the Evercore number includes the AT&T/T-Mobile deal, which is looking like it's facing a lot of steep hurdles lately. Could by why Bloomberg and Dealogic are showing Evercore closer to $137mm (vs. $141mm Laz) and $140mm (vs. $160mm Laz), respectively.

Definitely agree that Evercore has been on an incredible run this year and has surpassed Greenhill, which appears to be splintering at the top, and Moelis, which has yet to break out.

EDIT: Looks like the AT&T/T-Mobile deal has been dropped...

 

I also feel like the reputation of the BBs has been hit and that boutiques might be a better place to begin one's career in banking. Seems like everyone hears about the failed scandals and IPOs from Goldman, Morgan Stanley, etc. Anyone think that in the long-run, at least on the advisory side, boutiques will really take over? Or will the well-connected MDs at BBs keep the business with their shops.

 

You can certainly make a case for a return to pure advisory relationship banking (e.g. Lazard), but you have to consider the role financing plays in these deals. The JPM's of the world are always going to win deals because they've got the balance sheet to throw in the $30bn in bridge financing it takes to get them done. There will continue to be a place for everyone in the investment banking ecosystem. Most of the government regulations relate to Sales & Trading too.

 
JWR34:
You can certainly make a case for a return to pure advisory relationship banking (e.g. Lazard), but you have to consider the role financing plays in these deals. The JPM's of the world are always going to win deals because they've got the balance sheet to throw in the $30bn in bridge financing it takes to get them done. There will continue to be a place for everyone in the investment banking ecosystem. Most of the government regulations relate to Sales & Trading too.

I agree that financing will continue to give BB practices an advantage for certain deals (lower Mega-deals, upper MM deals, and certainly any sort of offering as the boutique model doesn't even provide those services most of the time), but at the truly mega level ($10B+) the firm is going to hire whoever the fuck it wants. This is why you see guys like JPM still getting the financing role for AT&T, despite the actually advisory going out to Evercore and Greenhill.

“Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do”
 

Tier 1 - LAZ Tier 2 - EVCR & PWP Tier 3 - GH & MOEL

That is all.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.
 

impossible to get into from undergrad unless you go to Wharton.

exit ops on par w/ top BBs.

con is no training program. and no China exposure.

pro in current credit environment is they are better positioned than Lazard/Greenhill b/c more of their M&A comes from F500 companies than LBO shops.

 

I'm fairly sure they recruit at more than 4 undergrad schools. I interviewed with them at NYU, really impressive guys. Overall great place to work, you really can't go wrong choosing to work there. And honestly, training is something that while good to have, you can probably get by with as long as you have some basic knowledge of finance and accounting (and the will to learn on the job). No better way to learn than to do. I think it's definitely a place worth taking over the BBs.

 

First of all, TTS, DealMaven, etc. are not only done at BBs. They are a great way to learn excel shortcuts so you're not spending half of your day formatting charts and graphs. The model they help you build though is limited at best.

Evercore is a great place. I had an interview with them recently for an analyst position. Very cool associate and analyst, and very, very technical modelling questions (my interview with the analyst lasted for 1 hr, 15 mins, and I didn't get invited back).

They focus on larger deals (their M&A so far this year isn't top 15 in terms of total $, but as far as average deal size goes, they are top 5). All very smart people, and yeah, it's real hard to get a job with them straight out of undergrad, but they will hire 2nd year analysts from less than BB.

 

exit ops are no where near as good as GS TMT, MS M&A or other boutiques like Lazard/Greenhill/Gleacher. they haven't had a good track record in recent years with regards to analyst placement. that said, they are probably going to start placing well because they've been blowing up recently, but it remains to be seen.

do agree though that they are one of the more prestigious boutiques and are doing a ton of good M&A deals.

 

While a great shop, I think its reputation on the street is probably a bit lower than it is on this board. It's no Centerview.

Also, if it is true they represent sponsors less (I am not sure here, someone above said so) it follows that they probably place less people in PE.

Overall though, its a still a very strong offer and definitely can be leveraged into PE if you are good and aggressive in your PE search.

 
altfp:
While a great shop, I think its reputation on the street is probably a bit lower than it is on this board. It's no Centerview.

Really? Let me know if you were being sarcastic...Centerview is a good shop with some good senior talent, but I think people on this board tend to view Blair Effron as a much better banker than he actually was/is. Blair handled a sellside for one of our portfolio companies and did not deliver on a lot of promises. In addition, Centerview is handling alot of lower middle market type stuff, a far cry from what was going on at UBS. I think it's fair to say UBS hasn't skipped a beat in their consumer practice since he left.

Evercore, on the other hand, for the better part of 2006 was kicking ass and taking names. Alot of what they do goes head to head with the bulges. I'd put them in the top 1 or 2 boutiques out there, although they've been somewhat quiet lately. I don't know about their placement, but I'd imagine you aren't hard-pressed to score interviews wherever you want (considering in an analyst class of 6-7 you're bound to get your hands on a big deal within your first year).

 

I am kinda in the same boat with this one. But, right now I figure MS and GS have better exit opps, a better brand name, and a better training program. There is a reason why the M&A boutiques recruit at undergrad bus schools mostly, they don't have as thorough of a training program than the other BB firms. That could be ideal if you have a very strong technical background, but if you go to a non-bus target, you might want to think of going to a larger bank. Congrats though, Evercore is still a very great opportunity, and we should be happy that we have jobs at this point.

Personally, I think JP Morgan is the best situated right now, and I'm not moving until I hear from them. Does anyone else agree with this? Right now I have Evercore, MS, GS. Or should I continue to hold out for JPM.

 

As a bank, JPM may be in the best shape with JD running show, but when talking investment banking, GS/MS still carry with them the brand name. They're still elite when it comes to BB and I don't think that's going to change much. They're not going anywhere.

Which groups at those banks?

And is Evercore a generalist position? I was always curious as to how the analyst class works at Evercore. Do they do both M&A advisory and restructuring advisory, or are there two separate groups?

 

Not to mention Evercore is going to have a monster 1Q even if they do no other deals, as the $65 billion from the Wyeth deal is pretty beastly. They'd rank 11th on the '08 1Q Worldwide Announced tables with that deal alone.

Not that these rankings matter a whole hell of a lot, but they may have just had a slow 2008. As someone mentioned above, they have a pretty small group over there so though their total dealflow may not compare to others, there's a good chance that, as an analyst, you'll have an absolute monster or two on your resume.

 

Slightly off topic, and I know there have been some thoughts on this in the past, but how much weight does this board put on Vault's banking "prestige" rankings when shaping your own decision on a firm's reputation?

They supposedly poll banking professionals, so you would think it's representative of the street's view. However, the list is largely dominated by BBs and (gasp), commercial banks.

http://www.vault.com/nr/finance_rankings/finance_rankings.jsp?finance20…

 

[quote=Classic]Slightly off topic, and I know there have been some thoughts on this in the past, but how much weight does this board put on Vault's banking "prestige" rankings when shaping your own decision on a firm's reputation?

They supposedly poll banking professionals, so you would think it's representative of the street's view. However, the list is largely dominated by BBs and (gasp), commercial banks.

http://www.vault.com/nr/finance_rankings/finance_rankings.jsp?finance20…]

Vault should have no weight. For one it is bullshit.

Not to mention that the relative standing of each bank has changed and will continue to change until this crisis ends.

 

Yeah, definitely do not go by Vault. It is a way too elementary look at investment banking for it to be useful. Generally, it depends on what your looking for, your long term career goals, and specific coverage/product group you may want to work in. But, from what i've heard, the bulge brackets are generally a notch above the M&A boutiques.

 

Go to Evercore's website and look at the bios of their bankers.

For those of you that have read the book 'Accidental Investment Banker' by Jonathan Knee he has his JD from Yale and MBA at Standford. The book is about his days as a banker at GS and then MS. He is now an adjunct professor at Columbia and is just one of 33 senior MD's at Evercore. With talent like that, it shouldn't be a suprise to anyone.

 

Not to get completely off topic, but some other good books you may be itnerested in:

Barbarians at the Gate - awesome book about the attempted LBO of RJR Nabisco and KKR's eventual buyout The Partnership - everythign you could want to know about the history of GS Predators Ball - about Drexhal Burnham and the junk bonds of the 1980's Lords of Finance - great read on the WW1 and the great depression told through the story of 4 powerful men

 

The Accidental Investment Banker is a great read, insightful into the industry (well, as a first year I found it useful) and not overly technical but it does go into details sometimes; which I liked and it spurred me onto some relevant research.

Really enjoyed the book and surprised it's not up there often.

In the UK there isn't much hype about them at all, but if they continue the year like they've begun it, they'd be sure to get their fare share of graduate talent.

 
marcellus_wallace:
Why would you need analyst training, when most of the kids you hire either interned in banking, have a finance/accounting background and your interviews are very technical heavy?

MIght be that many graduates technically don't need the training, but it's just a huge minus to start slaving away at your desk right from the beginning. I would rather spend 6 fully-paid weeks refreshing knowledge, attending netwoking events and having a great time with a hundred fellow analysts. It's by far the best time of your analyst stint.

 

I actually used to play squash with an Evercore analyst. As many of you know, I am not a banker...but he was always trying to hit me up for networking opportunities...i was consta tly trying to awkwardly turn the conversation back to squash. I think he never got a job after his analyst stint, and i think he ended up blowing out of the industry. He definitely left town and went on a tour of asia for at least 6 months after he was done working at Evercore. So based on this highly unscientific study of 1 person I'd say the analysts there dont necessarily have opportunities that match their big deal flow...to be honest he was a really good dude though...and very smart.

 

1 boutique...pure advisory (also an asset mgmt/mm buyout business)

Founded in 96 by Roger Altman and Austin Beutner went public in August at $21, now around $37 focus on marquee deals growing aggressively

see the website for recent deals, there's also a powerpoint presentation on the Events tab that should be helpful

 

Keep in mind that Evercore is only providing fairness opinions on many of these transactions... (that's a big part of the reason Evercore's revenue isn't in line with its league table position)

From an analyst's perspective, it's arguable whether working on a fairness opinion is valuable experience compared to real financial advisory

 

Hard to tell if this is sustainable. First generation partners all shaved their skins at top groups at bulge brackets. Once these "old" 50/60 year old geezers leave, what happens to the juniors? Can they keep harvesting top talent? If not, can they keep/raise a rockstar internal crop?

All clear so far, but the future isn't necessarily secure. Look at Wasserstein Perella. S.G. Warburg. DLJ.

If the current-day boutiques can create sustainable human capital advantages (haha I sound like a sappy HR rep) a la Rothschild or Lazard, then they could really become lasting players in the industry.

 
Solidarity:
Hard to tell if this is sustainable. First generation partners all shaved their skins at top groups at bulge brackets. Once these "old" 50/60 year old geezers leave, what happens to the juniors? Can they keep harvesting top talent? If not, can they keep/raise a rockstar internal crop?

All clear so far, but the future isn't necessarily secure. Look at Wasserstein Perella. S.G. Warburg. DLJ.

If the current-day boutiques can create sustainable human capital advantages (haha I sound like a sappy HR rep) a la Rothschild or Lazard, then they could really become lasting players in the industry.

Or they can get bought out, like the three firms you mentioned. Not saying it will happen, but its possible that the founders of these firms, and the top partners, which hold a significant equity share in these businesses, could possibly sell these firms to BB's once it comes time for them all to retire.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 
Solidarity:
Hard to tell if this is sustainable. First generation partners all shaved their skins at top groups at bulge brackets. Once these "old" 50/60 year old geezers leave, what happens to the juniors? Can they keep harvesting top talent? If not, can they keep/raise a rockstar internal crop?

All clear so far, but the future isn't necessarily secure. Look at Wasserstein Perella. S.G. Warburg. DLJ.

If the current-day boutiques can create sustainable human capital advantages (haha I sound like a sappy HR rep) a la Rothschild or Lazard, then they could really become lasting players in the industry.

You are certainly right. The model is likely not sustainable forever. Maybe that is the true reason for shifting the focus to AM instead of advisory work.

As far as becoming a baller banker, its all about contacts and proving yourself. Assuming you were able to work closely with the top brass at Evercore, you could essentially learn from them and meet people and build a reliable network...the problem is working closely with them isn't likely going to happen, lol.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

elite boutiques sound like a very enticing option to me. but a concern that i have is that pretty much all the baller-senior bankers (at BBs or elite boutiques) all have BB background. starting out at elite and ending up as a baller banker is kinda an untreaded path thus far. the last thing u want is to be pigeon hole and relegated to boutiques/MMs only.

anyone agrees?

 

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