Forex_trading
I am a beginner forex trader and having already lost a small fortune, and then some, within this week, I decided to stop and reflect before I blow out again. If any of you would be so kind, I need some answers and/or validations.
As far as forex trading is concerned, I am still a novice and I concluded that I lost all that money due to my own incapability, but in the wake of some recent events( following US jobs data), I think that may not be all there is to it. Volatility is really really high during such time and that is understandable, but I saw this presentation the other day by an ex banker in UCL, london of uk regarding trading in investment banks, the lifestyle that came with it, etc etc and one of the things that was really important, but it slipped my mind was, that "short term trading is totally dominated by quants", Anything from within a day, or even within a week is totally out of our reach of us retail traders.
1.Is Short term trading is so fucked by quants and leverage for us retail investers? that we dont even stand a chance? Now I'm not trying to hate on quants, I am just saying that it s a very big disadvantage for us 2. Having already lost so much, has anyone actually recovered? 90% of forex readers lose money but are there any retail speculators in that remaining 10%? 3.Are there any successful short term (non totally quant) traders? Because my confidence is totally fucked right now, Is there any hope at all? Or all you need is luck, because I dont seem to have it
Here's the link:
Sounds like you need to get drunk bro.
I would but I dont have any money left.
I am also a beginner Trader. I wanna start Binary Trade
call it liver insurance
Every product is different so a blanket statement like "short term trading is totally dominated by quants" doesn't say a whole lot. Also, luck is only part of it. You said yourself you're a novice; at least now you aren't disillusioned by making 300% returns in the first week from beginner's luck and thinking you're the shit and have a perfect strategy. You've learned early. Everyone loses money, it happens. Another big thing, don't let your emotions influence trades--sometimes you have to learn to cut your losses.
Thank you, but my aim was not to make crazy returns, Though I do believe that is possible, because if 60-90% of people lose money in forex and someone's loss is someone else's profit, those who do make money should make a lot. My aim was 30% return on equity in a month. Is that too much? Actually returns on forex is really a grey area for me, I have no idea about it, so if you could throw in a ballpark figure, that would be great.
30% on anything in a month is a fuck ton. I couldn't tell you what returns you should be aiming for though. FX might be a little harder since that is one product in particular that will likely be the first to go to full automation (in my opinion).
So you thought you could just waltz in and start making a 30% return? How do you mange to lose 92%, why would you let a trade go that far in the red? It sounds like you really didn't do any research before you started. Start by Reading investopdiea articles, it looks like you need to learn the basics.
Yes
Watch your leverage too. Its important to size your positions appropriately, especially with FX. Be attentive to what variables will affect the underlying currency pairs.
You mentioned the jobs report so I am assuming you were trading the dollar. Be aware of any reports coming out while you have a position so you aren't caught off guard either.
One last thing I'd say is that for very short term trading, the odds are against you, including the spreads you have to pay for commission. The market moving +- 25 bps is probably noise, but if the trend is that one currency has devalued for months (or years) against the other, theres a decent chance that trend will continue if the central bank's monetary policy remains the same.
Think big picture, watch your leverage (risk), and know whats happening in the economies of the currencies.
My 2 cents, hope some of it was helpful.
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Well at least you're honest with yourself, that's a solid first start.
To address the rest of your post though: stop trying to "trade" and focus more on attempting to catch large trends in whatever product it is that you are focusing on. I'm not saying no one can be successful in the shortest term market activity but the problem with short term activity is it plays so much more on your emotions and thought process. You may see opportunity xyz to go long EUR/USD at say 1.1010 and an hour later it has dipped down to 1.0980, you're losing your mind, and you exit. The next day it's at 1.1090 and you were right all along.
Focus on one or two pairs max, drafting and completing your own research, and attempting to catch longer and larger trends. Best of luck to you, it's not an easy task.
i agree with you, that happened to me. i ended up closing my position. when i was really down. a day later, everything was back to normal eurusd is the only pair i am focusing on and it is extremely volatile. i have lost my mind in the past few days.
my question is, how do you explain these movements?
That's the nature of the FX markets. I won't say that all movements are due to a particular thing but EUR/USD especially has a tendency to make some rather sharp moves on data or news that may not be directly related meaning that even if you're keeping a spotless macroeconomic framework and outlook on your product, you may still be caught be surprise from time to time.
It's a information game; you want to make sure you're getting all of the relevant and useful information at all times quickly and efficiently, otherwise you're just playing a game in the dark.
Why are you in the market? Are you a college student trying to learn the business to have something to talk about during recruiting/interviews? Individual looking for income/cash flow? Individual looking for long term growth?
Forex isn't my thing, but if you felt so compelled to exit a position due to a very short-term loss, your position was probably too large for you to afford. Don't put more money in a single position than you can afford to take a big loss on. That goes for any strategy.
I like short term trading . I had not much amount as capital to use in long term trading .With small amount it is easy to gain small profits in short term trading . I do trading to get some pips in a trade .
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OK, I'll bite. I'm not trying to kick you while you're down, please don't take it that way, but it looks like you haven't learned where you fucked up.
Walk me through price absorption at a given price, how do you choose trade location or how you manage risk? How do you determine position sizing? How long did you practice your plan and executions in a simulated environment before taking the plunge with your own cash? If you did why aren't you executing the same? What process do you use for feedback on your performance?
Trading even in your personal accounts is a business that needs to be built on a solid foundation or you will fail. So far the equivalent to your story is me buying a pair of Jordan's and calling myself a baller.
Try again after you've graduated and are gainfully employed, unless you have a 4.0, an offer locked up and more cash to burn your priorities are out of line.
Also, it sounds like you didn't use stop losses? Take this with a grain of salt as you're seeing me ask someone on here for advice, but the site I used to learn about trading basically said that you should never manually close your position for a loss. You need to plan out each trade so that you know what's being risked and what might be gained. You have to understand technicals and patterns and other stuff though before you can get an accurate stop loss. Otherwise you're just jumping into the market hoping it goes one way with a backup plan that if it doesn't you have the stop loss to save money. If you understand the other stuff though, the market should only go against you when you've either misread it due to your own error, or there has been an actual shift in market sentiment. Finally, the consensus on that site, babypips.com, was that you needed to do a demo account and trade profitably on it for about 2-3 months before you started live trading.
All that can be said is that sometimes it happens, all you can do is learn from it. Try again this time with a rule about cutting your losses after a certain percentage fall.
I don't want to be rude because I am no expert, but that type of strategy is just guessing, and is the kind of strategy that will lose you money.
I obviously am not persuade this poster to flat out guess and cut out when he's lost enough. He should refine his strategy at the same time. But there's a reason forex desks and other desks alike try to instill cutting losses as much as possible
I have many years experienced in Forex market as a trader and coach. I trade over 20 Curriencies and CFD. I teach myown great system in Technic Analyze to make very good profit anyway in the market. İf you want to be serious and succesful investor/ trader then dont hesistate for contact to me.
One of my friends Cynthia, making good profits on her investments, have subscribed SignalSkyline and asking me make investments in forex trading too.
Haven't read through the comments but here are my thoughts:
1) Tone down your leverage, and make sure you have an account size where you're getting stopped out at 1-2% where you can still move on without pulling your hair. The fact is, if you're using a very small account, you have to take wayyyyy more risk.
2) If you're trading the volatility, and scalping pips then tone out all the music and just stick to price action (i.e look up "Trading Supply & Demand by Keyser Soze).
3) That video you linked has nothing to do with retail trading, Anton talks about the consolidation in the institutional trading industry which is dying off due to quants & algorithms/
4) Understand that Forex is a negative sum game, the broker will always make money off the bid-ask which is constantly trading depending on liquidity.
5) Do NOT trade exotic pairs, stick to GBP/USD, EUR/USD, GBP/EUR. Please do not trade JPY also, you will hate yourself ;)
6) Also get some kind of news feed, and keep an eye out for events. The last thing you want to wake up to is being down 100-300 pips on a negative report.
My answer is just basic and simple. Investing gradually and safely could be the key, don't be eager enough to try different strategies to earn more, instead earn it slow and in a speculative way.
but who was facts and tips?
Tips for someone just starting to trade FX? (Originally Posted: 06/30/2017)
What is your best advice for someone who wants to start trading forex? How long did it take you to learn how to trade? How much time did you spend on a demo account?
https://www.babypips.com/learn/forex To learn all the basics, terminology, and most commonly known strats. It's hard to estimate how long it will take to "get it down". It's a forever learning process. I would say though the best way to learn is by actually trading yourself. You'll find paper trading =/= real trading, especially in terms of psychology. Obviously, making a profit would be ideal, but I would focus on just learning and not so much trying to crush it.
For what it's worth, I tried trading FX on my own during school, did well at first, but ultimately ended up as a loser. Still was a great story though during future trading interviews and showed my initiative.
Save up $500 and open an account.
dont trade FX
If you don't have something like 10-20k to trade on, don't trade on a margin greater than 50:1. You won't be able to survive swings of even 10-20 bps. Study up on your macro econ, and always watch the economic calendar. Bloomberg has one, I'd tailor your positions around the calendar as they're the biggest trading opportunities imo. Try trading on low margins at first, and once you're doing decently you can start upping the ante. Make sure you know basic chart reading as well, it helps a lot when trying to indentify potential trading ideas/opportunities.
Forex Trading- Usable As A Hook For College? (Originally Posted: 04/28/2012)
I am currently a sophomore in high school and interested in trading, particularly forex. I am only learning as of now, and planning on opening a practice account soon. If I am successful, I may even open a live account and put my pro skills to the test and try to make some real $$$. The more I have thought about actually doing this has made me wonder.... Do colleges (specifically top colleges) consider trading forex as an extracurricular activity, and would it be worth it to put it on a college application? And if it can be put on a college application, could it be considered a hook or at least something that helps me stand out from all of the other applicants? I have read numerous "Chance me for Harvard, Wharton, Princeton, U of Phoenix, etc." threads on College Confidential and am yet to find someone that trades forex, or even stocksSo what do you guys think?
Thanks.
What do you have to lose?
...lol a shit ton of money. The kid is in highschool... do you even know basic macroecnomics? Do you even know where to get the Fed's minutes?
There is better ways to spend time as a high school student than coming on WSO and CC to find self-validation. Trade if you are interested, not for an ulterior motive. Btw, shouldn't you start studying for your SATs?
Jesus... This isn't CC. The majority here know dipshit about UG admission except what we did. There are better ways to stand out and getting tail feels better in HS than a .45% gain in your EURUSD position.
Powa23 - hell, this place is full of twentysomethings looking for self-validation, give the kid a break. But yeah, do the SATs first, OP.
no
Anything you do outside of school is considered an EC. I'm a sophomore too and have been learning to trade forex too as that's the only thing I could really trade after school. Wharton looks for business/finance EC's so this would definitely help you there. In my opinion, running your own business, getting a 2200+, finishing top 10% in your class, and having outstanding rec's are more important than trading. If you're interested in running an online business, PM me. I have one and currently make about $100 a day.
I am also looking for ways to get involved with finance as a high school student.
Best Forex Trading Signals - When to Trade? (Originally Posted: 12/27/2011)
Let’s review some of the reasons to avoid trading this Holiday Season:.
Markets are Lacking Liquidity
Inactivity produces Weak Forex Signals
Forex Signals producing Unexpected Behavior
Take a Step Back - Do not Trade
Take the Holiday season to rest and read. Write your goals for the New Year and examine some things you would like to improve upon. I find when I take Holiday time to spend with my family it reminds me of what is most important in life.. This time needs to be cherished since Holiday breaks are not too common in Forex. The Forex trading markets are busy most of the time. Holidays are a perfect time to rest, reflect and realize what you are working for.
Have a great Holiday Season and we look forward to a great 2012!
Yeah, my group does equity stat arb, and we're not trading at all this week. Terrible time for intraday trading based on signals.
It's ALWAYS a good day to trade support/resistance. I don't know about intraday, but doing this on a daily chart is rarely a bad idea. Supply & demand don't care what day it is on the calendar. This is particularly true for Forex. It's kind of silly to call yourself a forex trader and then worry about local holidays - kinda misses the global perspective and impact of FX, dontchaknow.
Help with FX options trading (Originally Posted: 08/12/2011)
Hi everyone, I have a semi-formal interview (more of a chat) with the head of FX options at my bank in a few days, however I'll be on holiday in the interim (unable to study). I did an options subject while at uni and scored in the top 4 of several hundred people, however a lot of the knowledge has since left me.
If anyone could post things to be aware of - greeks, nuances to FX options etc, I would be much obliged. Thank you!
My S&T guide focuses quite a bit on options (although nothing specific to FX, it should do the trick for what you need). If you want a discount I have 3 unused from my last offer so just PM me.
Other than that, theres a book called FX Options and SMile Risk. You should be able to find a free PDF copy online if you look hard enough. Its fairly in depth maths wise from what ive seen of it but does do a good job of focusing specifically on FX.
Theres also tons of free resources online. Try googling for PDFs or Powerpoints and you are bound to come up with some inhouse research articles or university materials.
Dynamic Hedging by Taleb is pretty good, and you can find it online. Otherwise, I am a FX Options trader so ask away.
Thanks derive.
Rev I am actually reading that now and have it with me on holiday. The maths is a bit over my head though as I don't have a math degree, just vanilla finance. Do u think this will be an issue? Do u know of any quirks about fx options that I should know and could help me impress the head trader? Cheers
High frequency trading in FX (Originally Posted: 07/30/2011)
Hi all, I'm currently interning at a BB and I've been asked by the head of the FX options trading desk to consider working for him next year in high-frequency FX options trading. This was a bit of a surprise since both of my rotations are in sales though I have always viewed myself as more of a trader.
I'm a bit wary of accepting the offer since it will mean jumping into something that I haven't had the chance to experience (apparently the desk isn't taking interns). What is everyone's view on high-frequency FX trading? Does it have a big future? How do the bonuses tend to compare relative to say standard FX options trading?
Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
The future of trading lies in fast technology...
Take the offer, its better to work in FX than in other areas
interested too
Take it. It's golden, a lot of banks are expanding their FX operations right now, and the derivative space is really the last frontier of the wild wild west where regulation hasn't fully penetrated and gunslingers can still make shit happen.
Book Recommendation - FX trading books? (Originally Posted: 06/19/2012)
WSO Monkeys:
Can you recommend some FX trading books to read? No dummies type of books. I have experience trading FX spot, but would love to learn more about it and strategies.
Thanks.
Currency Trading and Intermarket Analysis: How to Profit from the Shifting Currents in Global Markets
global macro trading- profiting in a new world economy (or something like that) by greg gilner i believe
Personal Trading FX/Options (Originally Posted: 09/04/2008)
If I were to trade just for fun, more of a gamble and excitement past time, should I trade options or Forex? Which platform would you suggest? Obviously, I dont wanna just throw it away, more just try for high risk high reward.
If you're in it for the sheer gamble and like the excitement of high risk high reward, you're better off going to the roulette table and betting everything you have on red.
well yeah i was being facetious when i said gambling
FX Trading account question (Originally Posted: 01/13/2011)
I received a free $100 with a promotion to UWCFX and selected to leverage my account 500x.
I made a play on the EURUSD last night and the trade moved against me .003 before being sold off. However, today it soared to 1.33 and would have made a nice penny with this trade if the account was not sold off.
I did not put any stop loss on my account, would brokerages usually sell off my positions like this?
If you had a margin call they would.
With 500 x leverage the slightest hiccups are going to knock you around. If you want to stay in the market for more fluctuations, use less leverage.
Right kind of forex trading strategy (Originally Posted: 01/23/2011)
An integral part of forex trading is employing the right kind of forex trading strategy. It is only through developing your very own trading strategy would you be very comfortable with every decision that you make because these decisions are based on your own experience and developed through your very own trading familiarity.
Of course, this is not say that each forex trader should develop his own trading strategy from scratch. Adapting a trading strategy where one feels very comfortable at is a good way to start developing one’s own style. While adapting another traders trading strategy, you can start inserting your own strategies to fine-tune the system where you would feel more and more comfortable. Examples of these fine-tuning techniques would be the application of stoploss points and how you specifically pinpoint those levels according your own research. The addition of your favorite technical indicator that you have learned to trust in your trading may also be applied. And you may even have your own style of exiting a trade – like maybe you prefer graduated exit for one particular position. Forex signal
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Forex Trading Strategies and trading styles (Originally Posted: 02/27/2011)
Typically Forex Trading Strategies line up with the individual trading styles of traders. For example, an individual who wants to spend little time dallying in the market will have a strategy that involves Spot Trading or trading within seconds or minutes. Certain long term strategies, therefore would not fit their trading style and would not be pertinent Forex Trading Strategies.
Is there anyway to ban this website from posting on WSO? Seems like this post is becoming more and more frequent.
Forex analysis is a kind of homework done by forex traders to get idea and assume opportunities about changes in forex market. In a forex market, traders buy and sell on several currency pairs.
Forex Traders want to utilize forex market moves and need to decide if to purchase or offer a money pair at any given time. Some forex examination is led physically, by a broker. Some forex investigation is directed by means of PCs that have been programed to dissect recorded information and signs from forex markets.
FX and Commodities Trading (Originally Posted: 03/28/2012)
Hey,
I was wondering if anyone had any good reading sources or book suggestions for someone starting out full time in a foreign exchange and commodities trading role?
I am also interested in eventually trading derivatives and futures, so it would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction for some good literature on this?
Any other suggestions for things I should do / read up on / educate myself on before I start full time in July?
Sorry for vague description, but I don't know all the details.
Thanks again for all the help - much appreciated.
Cheers,
BabyPips.com
Did you even check this out? It is the best Forex resource for neophytes.
Anybody else have any advice for specific books?
readings don't really help. trust me
what can I do?
http://www.amazon.com/Options-Structured-Products-Finance-Series/dp/047…
FX Options and Structured Products
Check out Commodities and Commodity Derivatives.
Tim Weithers Practical Guide to FX and the term commodities is so vague that you should just read through the cme website and go from there.
www.WonderfulForex.com Software and Strategies, Prosper with Foreign Currency Exchange - Shop our large inventory of items. Find affordable prices, no credit card needed to open a free account, forex software system and high speed internet connection - can help you make good trading decisions to maximize your profits.
You should check books also that would be helpful for you as well as you should check the risk merchant account commodities and commodity derivatives.
To learn options trading or forex? (Originally Posted: 02/28/2014)
I'm a high school senior and got quite a bit of free time to pursue interests outside of school, and I figure I could try to learn trading while my schedule is lax. Currently I've done a little bit of day trading with cryptocurrencies, and ROI is approximately 22% over the course of 3 months. I've been using mostly very basic technical analysis, indicators, etc and would like to move on to something more advanced (I captured some volatility in the BTC/LTC markets but most of my returns were due to the extremely bullish rallies - basically luck).
I have about $2000 to use for trading, and while capital preservation is certainly up there in my priorities if it can be used towards a good learning experience that's fine. Do you think I should pick up options trading or forex? Also what would I be doing as a first year analyst at an investment bank?
Why not just paper trade?
Haha at the randomness of that last questions.
As @guyfromct already mentioned, try paper trading FX and Options. Thinkorswim has an excellent platform for papertrading and the mobile capabilities are great. FX is a whole different game (traded for 1.5+ years) and the pairs are extremely difficult to trade when compared to equities. Options are a bit safer and offer endless possibilities on trade setups, but you can get burned easily when you don't know what your doing (time decay, imp vol, etc.). I'd say if you can paper trade these for 3+ months, keep a log like you would do for real trades, figure out what you're best at, cut the crap that sucks your energy/$, then it's ok to slowly start throwing real money around. Remember, your in HS so you have plenty of time to build up experience all throughout college. No reason to rush, though you'll be tempted to.
Search.
Forget FX and options---by the time you are hitting the workforce the industry will look and feel completely different. I'd focus in two areas--corporate finance and computer programming. An expertise in either of these two fields will best prepare for a career in investment banking, trading, or anything else you want to do.
People are leaving the trading industry in hurds--don't put all your eggs in that basket.
I know this isn't what you want to hear and others may disagree but this is my opinion.
Also, your 18 so go convince your older brother to buy you a twelver of busch light, grab a buddy, and try and go make out with chicks.
options are safer and typ will provide better opps
Hey danydebrown, I swear if I had a silver banana for every lonely thread I posted too I'd be richer than @compbanker ...
Or maybe the following pros can chime in... @CF123" karismarawat drivedelta
Hope that helps.
To get it straight: You don't need luck you start by making your own luck and starting to make your own luck. Seems to me that you focus to much on the "bad side" of the problem, how did i figure it out? All of your questions are about loses not one of them are about winnings :)
I'm really curious to look at you'r trades and see what went wrong in there
Now i have some questions: I see that you watch Anton's Kreil courses on YouTube Are you impressed by his lifestyle? Do you want to trade just to own a Ferrari and bang 5 chicks a night? If not what made you decide to take this path? How much capital you started with? What leverage do you use? What pairs do you trade? What broker do you use? What background do you have? Do you trade based on news? What do you focus at when you trade?
I'm not trying to troll you, i just want to better understand what's wrong so i can give a hand
Study material: If you trade stocks, can you trade Forex? (Originally Posted: 08/24/2014)
Does stocks and forex have similar set-ups? I'm reading Al Brooks' Trading Price Range and I'm worried since he mostly mentions stocks that I wouldn't really be able to use it.
He says that the markets are made of human behavior so essentially they're all the same, but I don't know if that's just his pitch for him to sell the book to a larger audience. Windows, for example, is something I don't see in forex, but in his book it shows price gaps all the time.
Thoughts?
Thanks and happy studying/trading!
Edit: I think I should have been more specific. When I said set up I meant it in technical analysis. If you can find set ups in stocks, can you find it in forex?
Again, thanks!
99% of all trading books/education are pretty much bullshit. With that said, supply/demand is king in any market, though each market has its own idiosyncrasies and move with varying degrees of volatility. Not all stocks move the same, not all times of the day move the same, so you need to focus on consistency.
You'll see dumb asses move from Facebook to Soybeans in the same week, from morning session to after hours. One day they've got a 20tick target and 5tick stop the next it's a 80tick target 20tick stop but they scratch the trade for +3ticks.They are all over the fucking place which means they can never actually figure out what is and is not working. Study whichever market you want to trade and devise a way to profit from it on whatever time frame is available to you. I still think you guys should just learn some classic investing, be patient with your timing and then bust your ass at work to get those raises.
Disagree with 99% of trading books being worthless. While books detailing systems that work for 1 and won't for others are pointless, books about the psychology of trading and approach ate very useful.
Agree with the sense of certain traders throwing something at the wall and hoping it sticks. Systems are very important and discipline to stick with them in the moment make or break traders.
Some say to specialize in a market but a great trader can trade any market. Takes a while to get to that level of discipline, intuition and precision.
Do you even know who he is though? And what the book is about?
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