Help! Choosing 3 FT BB NYC IBD Offers!

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I got general offers recently from Barclays Capital, UBS, and Citigroup, all in NYC.

Group placement won't happen until next year. UBS may be able to give me a group earlier.

Which BB would you pick? I liked the people I met at all these banks...I don't have much time to decide...

I want to exit to PE 2-3 years down the road.

Comments (83)

Sep 29, 2010

They're all big firms ... I don't think you have to worry about exit opps. My Analyst buddy from UBS tells me that they may be laying off some people though ... fyi.

On a fringe note ... Barcaps overlooks time square ... should be interesting on New Years ...

Oct 2, 2010
bbc:

Barcaps overlooks time square ... should be interesting on New Years ...

+1. BYO Moet.

Sep 29, 2010

I'd go with Citi.

Sep 29, 2010

BarCap hands down... UBS last

Sep 29, 2010

fuck citi

bar . ubs. citi. in that order.

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Sep 29, 2010

Did you like all the people at all 3 equally? I'd go with whichever people you like better... you're going to be spending 18+ hours a day with these people..

Sep 29, 2010

Citi->Barclays->UBS

UBS is just so unstable right now that it's kinda scary... I know a lot people jumping ship from UBS

Sep 29, 2010

anything but UBS.

Sep 29, 2010

barcap --> Citi --> UBS

Sep 29, 2010

Barclay Capital is essentially Lehman's division which Barclays bought with a song after everything fell through. They have been doing very very well and it actually may require some restructuring in the bank because more than 1/3 of the assets of BC are coming from this new IB arm. The are probably the best growth potential imo of any bank on the street right now (in terms of bb). So yeah, BarCap all the way.

Sep 29, 2010

UBS is falling apart. Their rainmakers in Houston ditched them for Citi, and their rainmaker in Hong Kong left for Deutsche Bank. The franchise is definitely bleeding right now (it never really recovered)

Sep 29, 2010

barclays?

Sep 29, 2010

how would top middle markets like william blair compare with citi and ubs right now?

Sep 29, 2010

Citi's m&a is (at least was) murdering it for a while. Plus the co-global head is alum from my school, super nice guy. I'd say if you could land that group, put it to #1. If not, agree with all the Barcap statements, especially their DCM group.

Sep 29, 2010

see PM.

Sep 29, 2010

guys..it's a general offer so there's no way I could assess my "chances" of landing top groups.

and yes I liked the people equally from all firms.

also, how good is barclay's financial sponsors or leveraged finance groups??

Sep 29, 2010

I'd be interested in hearing thoughts on the groups at Barclays as well.

Sep 29, 2010

Citi's top groups are better than Barclay's top groups. Though overall Barclay's is safer because they do M&A in all groups.

Sep 29, 2010

more insights please - i have very little time to decide :(

Sep 29, 2010

not knowing what group means C is the safe choice since they have their CMO as a separate entity.

Sep 29, 2010

Citigroup > Barclays > UBS

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Sep 29, 2010

care to elaborate?

Sep 29, 2010

Just PM'ed

Sep 29, 2010

There is no bad decision here. Citi is still under the control of the government. That being said they have been willing to get aggressive with their hires recently. Decide what group you would like to join, then decide your bank and work your but off to get into that group (networking, etc.) Good luck.

Sep 29, 2010

didn't get ay PM from you Penn88

Sep 29, 2010

Go Barclays if you're unsure.

Sep 29, 2010

How is this even a question? Honestly, who would choose Citi over Barcap? (but if you are even considering UBS then maybe that explains why you are even contemplating the decision) Barclays is the obvious choice, I have yet to meet one person who would choose citi over barcap given an option.

Sep 29, 2010

BarCap for sure...... How is this a question....

Sep 30, 2010

I would probably go with Citi if you think yo ucan get into a top group...

Sep 30, 2010

keep the comments coming guys

i think its clear its just going to be a call between citi and barcap but i still don't know which one to accept.

once again - i have 0 control as to which group i can join (i have no alumni at each bank that can pull for me).

Sep 30, 2010

Barcap > UBS > Citi

Sep 30, 2010
bimboteb:

Barcap > UBS > Citi

I would almost agree with you. That is how bad Citi is... even though it really is not as bad as UBS. Again, this should not even be a question...Chose Barclays-Lehman

Sep 30, 2010

If you want to do Sponsors/LevFin stuff, UBS is actually the best place to be. Sponsors was top 5 last year, group combines the LevFin product and continues to place into top PE.

If you want to do M&A, then Citi. UBS is meh at M&A and BarCap has no M&A group.

If you want to do Energy, BarCap. They murder at that and the group does its own M&A.

In terms of globality, UBS is best, followed by Citi and BarCap. Losing an HK banker to Deutsche is not cause to go crazy. I know several people at the firm who were hired in the past year from places like GS, CS, Citi and DB.

These are all great options to have. If you think you'll land in coverage, go BarCap because the groups do their own M&A. As far as the other two options go, work with HR and the UBS FSLF/Citi M&A groups to assess which you'd have a good shot at.

Sep 30, 2010

Citi M&A is very selective with their analysts, and the majority of incoming analysts tend to rank it 1 or 2 in terms of group preference. If you're confident in your technical skills and likability, go for it and network hard.

To be quite frank though, Citi has great top groups (namely M&A, communications, and consumer), but there are a few coverage groups that are rather lackluster. If you really have no connections whatsoever that can help you network with a group early, BarCap might be the safer choice for you.

Sep 30, 2010

Referring to it as Barclays-Lehman is rather misleading, since Lehman's Global Head of M&A has been the Global Head of M&A at Citi for the last 2 years. Lehman's best industry bankers were also scattered across the street, many of whom ended up at Citi together with the aforementioned M&A head. Rainmakers don't usually stick around in times of uncertainty or to undergo an ugly merger.

Sep 30, 2010
cmonkey711:

Referring to it as Barclays-Lehman is rather misleading, since Lehman's Global Head of M&A has been the Global Head of M&A at Citi for the last 2 years. Lehman's best industry bankers were also scattered across the street, many of whom ended up at Citi together with the aforementioned M&A head. Rainmakers don't usually stick around in times of uncertainty or to undergo an ugly merger.

Regardless, the majority of bankers currently within Barclays Capital are legacy Lehman, and for the most part, all of the internal structures remain the same. As a matter of fact, Barclays is adopting the Lehman business model for its global operations, not just NYC, and is aggressively expanding the business in Asia Pacific and EMEA. So yeah - I will still call it Barclays-Lehman.

And who is calling this an ugly merger? Since Barclays acquired Lehman, the united investment bank has outperformed both of its previous two, component businesses on a standalone basis - can someone say synergies? If you intend to label a merger "ugly" then look at Bank of America vs. Merrill Lynch.

Sep 30, 2010

I heard Citi's M&A group only has like 1 spot left. Out of 100+ incoming Analysts, I would say my chances would be pretty slim.

Sep 30, 2010
ShawnFire:

I heard Citi's M&A group only has like 1 spot left. Out of 100+ incoming Analysts, I would say my chances would be pretty slim.

Who told you that?

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Sep 30, 2010

Yeah there's like 2, maybe 3 spots left. But that's a lot more than 1 lol.

Sep 30, 2010

I was told by a Citi Analyst that all 9 M&A SA got return offers and all of them are signing back.

Sep 30, 2010

cmonkey, please check pm...

Sep 30, 2010

Whoever said anything but UBS was correct.

Sep 30, 2010

is Barcap's Financial Sponsors grop any good?

Oct 1, 2010
ShawnFire:

is Barcap's Financial Sponsors grop any good?

Not really. It's good in that it's a Sponsors group at a BB, but it's not really close to CS, JPM, GS, MS or UBS.

Again, if you go BarCap, the far and away best group to be at is Energy. The problem is that sets you more on the First Reserve track than anywhere else. Media Telecom is a good place to be at there too, because they're decent at what they do, have incredible work/life and do their own M&A. People with the TMT backgrounds (even though BarCap is more a separate T and MT) still do well as far as PE opps. go.

Oct 1, 2010
ShawnFire:

is Barcap's Financial Sponsors grop any good?

Not really. It's good in that it's a Sponsors group at a BB, but it's not really close to CS, JPM, GS, MS or UBS.

Again, if you go BarCap, the far and away best group to be at is Energy. The problem is that sets you more on the First Reserve track than anywhere else. Media Telecom is a good place to be at there too, because they're decent at what they do, have incredible work/life and do their own M&A. People with the TMT backgrounds (even though BarCap is more a separate T and MT) still do well as far as PE opps. go.

Oct 1, 2010

UBS FSLF & Citi M&A. i hear both are very competitive to get into, but if you can, you'll have great experiences.

the HY market is blowing up right now too... so you'll def get a good exp at FSLF.

Oct 1, 2010

Diamonds, sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Your post history confirms what I first suspected, that you probably recently signed for barcap and a feeling a little insecure. I mean ... "Barclays-Lehman"? Get real dude ...

Oct 1, 2010
Brown_Bateman:

Diamonds, sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder. Your post history confirms what I first suspected, that you probably recently signed for barcap and a feeling a little insecure. I mean ... "Barclays-Lehman"? Get real dude ...

Haha I think the "Barclays-Lehman" may be a bit of a stretch but Diamonds has valid points. The majority of remaining bankers at Barcap are legacy Lehman. You can verify that by seeing tons of Lehman gear as people come in and out of the building. That being said, Lehman and now Barcap did lose a lot of bankers to other banks (notably Shafir, Woody Young, etc) but who didn't? There was a tremendous reshuffling amongst the bulge brackets during and after the crisis.

In terms of advice to the OP, I'd say you really cannot go wrong with either of these banks. Citi M&A is very good, as a lot of posters on here have alluded to. They also have some other excellent coverage teams and their FEG team (similar to sponsors at other banks) does good work and you get good modeling skills there, from what I hear. UBS has a reputation for very good people though its reputation has been a bit tarnished of late, though I find that to be a bit unfair considering a lot of their issues came from the PWM side not IBD. With regards to Barcap, they have a great Natural Resources franchise (I'd venture to say best on the street but I can't verify). They also do very well in Comm. and Media and FIG (their insurance team just work on the AIG sale of two units to Prudential). Good luck in your choice!

Oct 1, 2010

How is the exit of Barcap's power group?

Also, what happens if you don't get selected to be the designated M&a Analyst in your coverage group? Is it a big disadvatange?

Oct 1, 2010

Also, are there any notable exits from Barcap's communications group? To megafunds that is...

Oct 1, 2010

Can't speak for the Power group.

If you don't get selected to be the designated M&A analyst, then the result is that you don't get the same overall experience. That's the kicker with BarCap. The bank may be doing well on league tables compared to a UBS or Citi, but you don't know what your role is going to look like.

All that said, a good amount of people from BarCap Energy/Media Telecom/Industrials get solid positions coming out of the two year program (whether they were the M&A analyst or not), and after you get interviews for those things, it's all on you.

Oct 1, 2010

please check pm nohomo

Oct 1, 2010

I really think you all are playing WAY too much into prestige. All three banks will give you more or less equivalent exit opps. What it really boils down to is 1) people, and 2) what group you get placed in.

Are all generalist ofers?

My understanding is that the best groups at each bank are :

Citi: M&A
Barclays: Nat Res
UBS : FSLF

Oct 1, 2010

Yes all group offers.

Assuming I'm 99.9% sure I won't get Citi M&A, would Citi still be the clear choice?

Oct 1, 2010
ShawnFire:

Yes all group offers.

Assuming I'm 99.9% sure I won't get Citi M&A, would Citi still be the clear choice?

I would say so yes. Citi is in a pretty strong position right now and if you look at their performance, they never really slipped. They've always done very well in IB.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 1, 2010

However, M&A is done within Barclay's industry groups, whereas Citi M&A does all the M&A.

Wouldn't it mean working in coverage at Barcap would be better than Citi coverage?

Oct 1, 2010
ShawnFire:

However, M&A is done within Barclay's industry groups, whereas Citi M&A does all the M&A.

Wouldn't it mean working in coverage at Barcap would be better than Citi coverage?

Pretty sure there are a few groups at Citi that do their own M&A, FIG perhaps?

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 1, 2010

FIG and Real Estate are the only ones that do their own M&A.

But that's like every bank.

I'm talking about the traditional ones (industrials, tech, comms, etc)

Oct 1, 2010
ShawnFire:

FIG and Real Estate are the only ones that do their own M&A.

But that's like every bank.

I'm talking about the traditional ones (industrials, tech, comms, etc)

Citi's TMT and Industrials group are among the best on the street. Take a look at deal flow and you'll see what I'm talking about. Both very well respected groups.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 1, 2010
bulge4lyf:
ShawnFire:

FIG and Real Estate are the only ones that do their own M&A.

But that's like every bank.

I'm talking about the traditional ones (industrials, tech, comms, etc)

Citi's TMT and Industrials group are among the best on the street. Take a look at deal flow and you'll see what I'm talking about. Both very well respected groups.

Every bulge bracket says this retarded statement about each and every one of their groups.

Anyway, as someone who works in this business...believe me, at the bulge bracket level, we all do the same damn thing and interview with the same damn PE and HF shops come recruitment; make your decision based on fit/culture/people.

Oct 2, 2010

So what is the best group out of all of these three banks if you had your pick?

Oct 2, 2010

2 more days!

Oct 2, 2010
ShawnFire:

2 more days!

So what have you decided?

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 2, 2010

bulge4lyf, do you work for citi or something?

Oct 3, 2010
ShawnFire:

bulge4lyf, do you work for citi or something?

No, but having just read some of my posts I can see why you'd think that :p

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 2, 2010

UBS is falling in the ranks, but still a good place btw

Oct 3, 2010

I am choosing barcap tomorrow i think..

Oct 3, 2010

look at diamond being a fag who works at ubs.

ubs sucks the most and every1 knows this. the bank is dead and on par with middle market.

citi > barcap >>>>>>>>>>>raymond james = ubs = jefferies

Oct 4, 2010

barcap>jt marlin>citi>equities in dallas>ubs

Oct 4, 2010

wtf is equities in dallas

Oct 4, 2010

Its from Liars Poker...a book you should have read

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Oct 4, 2010

How soon do these expire? Any chance you can leverage these for GS, MS or JPM (or LAZ if you feel like going to a smaller place)?

Oct 4, 2010

Hope you didn't go with UBS.

Oct 4, 2010

These expire tomorrow morning

Oct 4, 2010

Depends on what group you're interested in... I'd say Barcap > UBS > Citi

Found that UBS had a slightly more "European" culture... maybe just me.

Oct 4, 2010

Dickens, aren't you just a college student still looking for a SA gig?

Oct 4, 2010

I would go Citi>Barcap>UBS.

But seriously who cares, if its not JPM, MS, GS its the same anyway. And even then, you'll be doing similar work unless your group gets no dealflow.

It also depends on what group. Citi M&A is very strong, Industrials/Metals and Mining in Chicago is extremely strong as well, they fully execute out of there.

Barcap has a very strong TMT group. UBS has a very good Lev Fin group.

Oct 4, 2010

Dickens ur in college and know shit.

Everyone here worth their salt (like above poster) will say Citi > Barcap > UBS.

UBS lost entire healthcare team, plus TMT, plus energy bankers (to citi), plus just about every other top producing senior banker. Do not go and ANYONE will tell you this. I personally know 10 ubs 2nd and 1st years trying to jump ship to any other BB that will take them (some taking middle markets).

Even ubs levfin is top 10 and at end of the bulge bracket tier. The rest of their groups are top 15 to top 20.

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