12/23/12

I'm out of state for the top public schools and have only semi target level stats. Which colleges would you say are most underrated for breaking into wall street? (for someone in my circumstance to succeed in, given the school has lower admissions standards than the top 10)

I read through past threads voraciously and the common names seem to be uiuc, indiana, fordham, uva econ or commerce, boston university, usc and ucla.

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12/22/12

I wouldn't say that BU even has a slight presence on the Street. I have friends at a few Patriot league schools (Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh), and from what I hear there are a good number of alums in IB/PE. I also know Hopkins placed at least two kids at Goldman S&T last year, and would suspect a few more in other roles.

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12/22/12

MrDiCaprio:
I also know Hopkins placed at least two kids at Goldman S&T last year, and would suspect a few more in other roles.

Given the list OP provided, I'm pretty sure Hopkins has been off the table for a while for him
12/22/12

MrDiCaprio:
I wouldn't say that BU even has a slight presence on the Street. I have friends at a few Patriot league schools (Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh), and from what I hear there are a good number of alums in IB/PE. I also know Hopkins placed at least two kids at Goldman S&T last year, and would suspect a few more in other roles.

An LAC might be a good option for me (preference wise), but I've heard that colgate and bucknell are total non targets from another thread so I'm confused lol. I'd prefer Carleton, Vassar, bowdoin, hamilton, kenyon types of schools that are D3 though.

What's your opinion on Tufts, Univ of Rochester, Brandeis for NYC? Also how do they compare with Rice/Univ of Southern California if I have my heart set on Boston/NYC only?

12/22/12

LAC wise the better NESCACs might be out of your range, but depending on your grades I would throw Tufts and Hamilton a serious look. Tufts is getting significantly harder to get into -- its no slouch. I know kids who didn't get into Tufts but got into NYU/BC.

Rochester is a good value school but the name doesn't carry IMO. The one kid I know there transferred to Georgetown. Brandeis I would never go to, it not only is overshadowed by the other NE schools, but isn't as alum heavy as you'd think. Rice and USC I don't know much about, but if you went there and killed it I am sure some alum would be willing to support you.

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12/22/12

MrDiCaprio:
LAC wise the better NESCACs might be out of your range, but depending on your grades I would throw Tufts and Hamilton a serious look. Tufts is getting significantly harder to get into -- its no slouch. I know kids who didn't get into Tufts but got into NYU/BC.

Tufts has always been a bit tougher academically than NYU/BC. I highly doubt they are as much of a semi-target as those too however, Tufts isn't much of a finance school.
12/22/12

GoodBread:
MrDiCaprio:
LAC wise the better NESCACs might be out of your range, but depending on your grades I would throw Tufts and Hamilton a serious look. Tufts is getting significantly harder to get into -- its no slouch. I know kids who didn't get into Tufts but got into NYU/BC.

Tufts has always been a bit tougher academically than NYU/BC. I highly doubt they are as much of a semi-target as those too however, Tufts isn't much of a finance school.

My point is at a school like Tufts, if you want to get into banking and have the grades, you will be able to do so. Most kids at Tufts are pretty liberal and don't find an appeal for finance, so I doubt the competition rivals academically comparable schools.

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12/22/12

Indiana forsho. UIUC just for comp sci.

12/22/12

TGICapitalism:
Indiana forsho. UIUC just for comp sci.

Glad I made a good decision to go to IU this year. Do you know anything about its S&T placement?
12/22/12

Richard Ivey. Maybe its cause its Canadian, but I feel that alot of people dont realize it pumps kids into US Banking

Ooops skimmed the post, yeah probably IU or USC

12/22/12

of the schools you listed, I have only met/heard of people from UVA and Indiana at BBs, with UVA placing significantly better

12/22/12

I think they have a "workshop" program for investment management or S&T, similar to the IB workshop. Not sure if it boasts the same placement rate as the IB program, but it has to be close. They definitely have a Trading club of some sort. I would encourage you to join that. There are some smart kids over at Kelley.

12/22/12

TGICapitalism:
I think they have a "workshop" program for investment management or S&T, similar to the IB workshop. Not sure if it boasts the same placement rate as the IB program, but it has to be close. They definitely have a Trading club of some sort. I would encourage you to join that. Smart kids at Kelley.

Yeah I am really not sure if it has the same klout as the IB workshop does. Not sure though, Definitely going to try and join either of them after doing some research.

Thanks buddy

12/22/12

Deep Springs College

12/22/12

If you are AA, Howard

12/30/12

futurectdoc:
If you are AA, Howard

Not really, SEO program gets kids in from any school. at targets it almost guarantees that you get a look during recruiting season

12/22/12

Yeah, the semi-target Indiana University kills it every year.

12/22/12

Rutgers is strongly represented on the street, and it isn't even a semi-target imo

12/22/12

Baruch.

"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer." - Albert Einstein

12/22/12

aicccia:
Baruch.

+1. The entire CUNY system is vastly underrated
12/22/12

No idea why, but I have met several people from U Wisconsin's business program. Could just be my own experience, but they seem to do pretty well considering their rank and location. That said, you would still have better odds at almost any semi-target.

Rice does well. While UT might place more students, Rice will have far fewer people competing for OCR, and you don't have to compete to get into the honors business program.

12/22/12

Double

12/22/12

Georgetown. Wisky also has ridiculous RE placement if you're into that. I'd go there over a couple of ivies.

12/22/12

Fordham isn't a bad option, lots of alumni in the city (or at least in my office)

12/22/12

+1 for Colgate. I know a decent amount of people from GWU also

12/22/12

Maybe they more frequently stay in the South, but I've seen a fair share of Washington & Lee, Wake Forest and Davidson grads in NYC.

12/22/12

NestoGrande:
Maybe they more frequently stay in the South, but I've seen a fair share of Washington & Lee, Wake Forest and Davidson grads in NYC.

Washington & Lee would be on the top of that list
12/22/12

Fordham, baruch. Its all about location. If you can take advantage of being in a school which has less finance competition in a perfect location for networking, you can cause some havoc.

12/22/12

This isn't necessarily the school as a whole but Virginia Tech has student-run equity and fixed income funds with AUM +4M. Both routinely place 3-5 each on the street per year. I think between the two they put nine in Citi's S&T program last year.

12/22/12

LAC's are probably underrated. Coming from one one of the top NESCACs, the competition isn't as fierce and the alumni are very eager to recruit.

12/22/12

athcasi:
LAC's are probably underrated. Coming from one one of the top NESCACs, the competition isn't as fierce and the alumni are very eager to recruit.

I've been doing research after reading this thread and so far I'm deciding between a batch of universities and LACs.

The LAC's that I have left on my list are Hamilton, Bucknell, Colgate, Bowdoin

The Universities that I have on my list are Rice, USC, Tufts Vanderbilt

^ Also by Top Nescac, I'm assuming you only mean Williams, Amherst and Wesleyan?

12/22/12

I'd say the top nescacs are Williams Amherst middlebury Wesleyan and bowdoin. Of those, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury probably get the strongest recruiting though I know kids from each school that have gone on to BBs.

12/22/12

Also how is Carleton in MN perceived? Do banks put it in the kenyon/oberlin/grinnel/cornell college bucket of places they don't know much about?

12/22/12

NESCAC schools i believe are the most underrated...hardly ever hear of them on this forum. they send a shit ton of grads into wallstreet firms each year and their alums have unbelievable loyalty

12/22/12

mashed potatoes:
NESCAC schools i believe are the most underrated...hardly ever hear of them on this forum. they send a shit ton of grads into wallstreet firms each year and their alums have unbelievable loyalty

true, but it can be a poor cultural fit for a lot of people. feels more like high school take 2 than anything else.
12/22/12

turtles:
mashed potatoes:
NESCAC schools i believe are the most underrated...hardly ever hear of them on this forum. they send a shit ton of grads into wallstreet firms each year and their alums have unbelievable loyalty

true, but it can be a poor cultural fit for a lot of people. feels more like high school take 2 than anything else.

How do Bucknell/Colgate - top two schools from the patriot league compare to the various nescacs? Also I'm assuming by nescac you aren't talking about trinity, conn college, bates and colby as they are on the lower end of the league and are ranked poorly in usnews and world report.

12/22/12

tkid3400:
turtles:
mashed potatoes:
NESCAC schools i believe are the most underrated...hardly ever hear of them on this forum. they send a shit ton of grads into wallstreet firms each year and their alums have unbelievable loyalty

true, but it can be a poor cultural fit for a lot of people. feels more like high school take 2 than anything else.

How do Bucknell/Colgate - top two schools from the patriot league compare to the various nescacs? Also I'm assuming by nescac you aren't talking about trinity, conn college, bates and colby as they are on the lower end of the league and are ranked poorly in usnews and world report.

patriot league schools like bucknell, colgate and lafayette are pretty good, at lease from my observations. ive seen their grads all over the wallstreet firms, especially bucknell and lafayette grads.

but i am talking about all nescac schools as a whole. you need to ignore us news cause its all bullshit and financial/consulting firms do not build their recruiting structures around some illegitimate magazine ranking. as for the "lower" ranked nescac schools, you would be surprised how many trinity alum (for example) can be found in BB/MM firms, maybe not to the same length as williams, but ive seen many of them at citi, credit suisse, wells fargo and various MM banks.

many nescac schools also have alums in very senior positions within wallstreet firms. and another note, you dont see many of them leaving the industry, even with very low retention rates amongst all firms for various reasons (layoffs, change of careers, etc.) so when you have alum who stay in these places a long time, it only boosts their networks

i am not advocating that nescac are the best schools to attend, im just saying they are pretty damn good at putting students into the right firms and give their students the tools to do it...hence why they seem to be underrated here

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12/22/12

If you're in the Midwest (specifically Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Chicago), you see a lot of IU and UIUC in MM banks and MM PE. If by "Wall Street" you literally mean NYC finance, then I'm not so sure about underrepresentation of these schools. But atleast among the BMOs, Bairds, Blairs, Jaffrays of the world, those 2 state school business colleges are well sought after.

Have a couple buddies at NESCACs who say the alumni are very, very loyal. They don't expect the kids they interview to have strong finance knowledge and OCR tends to be very fit-based with mostly market/news questions being as hard as it gets.

12/22/12

What about Brown ? This forum never gives much love to it but call it what you may Brown grads are all over in MBB, BB, PE. I thing Brown gets a lot of love from MBB and beats out Columbia, Cornell, and Upenn non W in terms of the sheer numbers of offers given out each year.

12/22/12

The co-head of GS IBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

12/22/12

turtles:
The co-head of GS IBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

What type of personality do you need to have in order to "fit in" at a nescac? I went to a diverse, public school in an urban area and have no idea what a boarding school is like. Are they frat/athlete heavy or is everyone just really smart and friendly?

12/22/12

tkid3400:
turtles:
The co-head of GS IBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

What type of personality do you need to have in order to "fit in" at a nescac? I went to a diverse, public school in an urban area and have no idea what a boarding school is like. Are they frat/athlete heavy or is everyone just really smart and friendly?

I also went to a diverse public school in an urban area and I am currently a soph at a Nescac. There are a lot of athletes and most of the parties thrown are by greek societies but are usually open to the whole campus. While there is a frat/athlete presence on campus I wouldn't call it heavy and this is coming from an athlete who is in a frat. The majority of kids are smart and friendly so there are several different personalities that exist on campus. I hope this helps with your question.

12/22/12

tkid3400:
turtles:
The co-head of GS IBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

What type of personality do you need to have in order to "fit in" at a nescac? I went to a diverse, public school in an urban area and have no idea what a boarding school is like. Are they frat/athlete heavy or is everyone just really smart and friendly?


I went to an "urban," diverse public school but not in the U.S and did my undergrad at a NESCAC. It was a bit of a culture shock but I grew up in France so it would have been the same anywhere. Athletics aren't nearly as big as at major D-I schools but frats are nearly the only game in town as far as major parties until you turn 21.

It's worth mentioning not all NESCACs are equal however. Williams/Amherst are in another tier as far as the academics and network goes while I'm guessing some of the "lesser" ones (Colby/Bates... I don't really know) are the frothiest. Tufts is its own animal as it is significantly larger than the others, has a pretty sizable grad school and is in a suburban setting.

12/22/12

Everyone seems to be saying they know one person from Middlebury, or have heard of a person from some CUNY, or found someone who was hired 30 years ago when the industry was easier to get into in an important position. None of this is helpful. OP is asking what maximizes his chances, not what's possible at any infinitesimal statistical level. If you went help, OP, go to IU or UVA, and never even consider going to Rochester or the CUNY schools. And who the fuck goes to Middlebury for banking?? It's a super liberal arts school, known for foreign language programs!

12/22/12

gammaovertheta:
Everyone seems to be saying they know one person from Middlebury, or have heard of a person from some CUNY, or found someone who was hired 30 years ago when the industry was easier to get into in an important position. None of this is helpful. OP is asking what maximizes his chances, not what's possible at any infinitesimal statistical level. If you went help, OP, go to IU or UVA, and never even consider going to Rochester or the CUNY schools. And who the fuck goes to Middlebury for banking?? It's a super liberal arts school, known for foreign language programs!

this lol, I was asking about schools that place decently, that a semi target stats kid could get into. I prefer liberal arts colleges and am not too keen about the frat/athlete scene at IU and UVA and so a school like Midd or Hamilton might be a good fit.

12/22/12

I have seriously been surprised at the presence UNC has had, especially in Charlotte and Atlanta but NY as well. Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

12/22/12

thepman:
Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BB FO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC
12/22/12

gammaovertheta:
thepman:
Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BB FO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC

Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of of target? I could very well be wrong calling UNC a target for those banks, but I do know they place a fair number in some NYC offices.

12/22/12

thepman:
Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of of target? I could very well be wrong calling UNC a target for those banks, but I do know they place a fair number in some NYC offices.

Targets get special recruitment attention, including campus visits/informational sessions, school-restricted events at the bank's headquarters, resume drops (which get preferential treatment over online apps), and on campus first round interviews (and sometimes second round, depending on the bank).
12/23/12

gammaovertheta:
thepman:
Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BB FO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC

UNC is a target for NYC offices of MS, BAML and Wells

12/23/12

gammaovertheta:
thepman:
Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BB FO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC

UNC is most definitely a target for NYC offices. Every single bulge recruits on campus to the NYC offices with the exception of JPM, and even they have a ton of Carolina guys high up. MDs and higher. There is a huge Carolina presence at MS, GS, BAML, JPM, and Wells in NYC.

12/24/12

Chinouk35:
gammaovertheta:
thepman:
Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BB FO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC

UNC is most definitely a target for NYC offices. Every single bulge recruits on campus to the NYC offices with the exception of JPM, and even they have a ton of Carolina guys high up. MDs and higher. There is a huge Carolina presence at MS, GS, BAML, JPM, and Wells in NYC.

Good to know I wasn't going crazy, I was pretty sure on it

12/22/12

BYU is a mormon school, but it places a ton in BBs

12/22/12

UNC

12/22/12

Baruch is underrated for sure.

12/22/12

school of hard knocks?

"...the art of good business, is being a good middle man, putting people togeather. It's all about honor and respect."

12/22/12

I was in the Investment Management Workshop at Kelley so feel free to ask or DM me with any questions. The placement has been pretty strong. Given the students have interest in S&T, private wealth and research it is a little bit tougher to streamline the recruiting process catering to multiple interests unlike the IB workshop. I was in the private wealth side where we placed a lot of ppl at JPM. On the S&T side many of the placement ended up in Chicago at places like Group One and CTC.

12/23/12

+1 for Baruch, I know of a few kids that have FO spots for FT at BBs, not to mention they do come here for info sessions as well. And as someone else mentioned, the location is very advantageous (i.e. networking)

12/23/12

Penn State is extremely underrated on this site and has sent a lot of kids to Wall Street for the past five years or so. It has a multi-million dollar fund that is completely student run. Most of the kids that go to wallstreet are from that fund.

12/23/12

Myron Gainz:
Penn State is extremely underrated on this site and has sent a lot of kids to Wall Street for the past five years or so. It has a multi-million dollar fund that is completely student run. Most of the kids that go to wallstreet are from that fund.

eh, i wouldnt say penn state is underrated. it doesnt mean you wont find psu grads in wallstreet firms, but saying "a lot of kids" is more than a stretch.

on the other hand, one school that ive seen lately putting a regular amount of students into asset management firms is university of dayton. they have made some national spotlight with their student management fund....however im not going to say they are underrated....yet
http://www.udayton.edu/business/daviscenter/flyer_...

http://www.gps100.com/membership/index.php

12/23/12

mashed potatoes:
Myron Gainz:
Penn State is extremely underrated on this site and has sent a lot of kids to Wall Street for the past five years or so. It has a multi-million dollar fund that is completely student run. Most of the kids that go to wallstreet are from that fund.

eh, i wouldnt say penn state is underrated. it doesnt mean you wont find psu grads in wallstreet firms, but saying "a lot of kids" is more than a stretch.

on the other hand, one school that ive seen lately putting a regular amount of students into asset management firms is university of dayton. they have made some national spotlight with their student management fund....however im not going to say they are underrated....yet
http://www.udayton.edu/business/daviscenter/flyer_...

http://www.gps100.com/membership/index.php[/quote]

Alot of kids from my High school ended up going to Udayton. Lots of smart kids but they weren't geniuses

12/23/12

no one has mentioned NYU. judging by the schools you're looking at, Stern might be a bit of a reach to get into BUT you could potentially get into the college of arts and science as an econ major. you set yourself up real well since you're in NYC, and you enjoy 99.9% of the OCR that finance students do as well.
i have no idea what your gpa or SATs are or anything, but just given the sheer size of each class at NYU (~5000), they admit on average like 28% of applicants or something

Remember, once you're inside you're on your own.
Oh, you mean I can't count on you?
No.
Good!

12/23/12

except i guess NYU isn't one of the most underrated school on the street... at all.
my bad. i didn't even look at the title of the post.
(nod")

Remember, once you're inside you're on your own.
Oh, you mean I can't count on you?
No.
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12/23/12

Lehigh is getting decent recruitment esp. in S&T (Citi, Barclays, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, BOAML, Wells Fargo from the top of my head). Definitely gets equal or more attention than other Patriot League schools mentioned here like Bucknell or Colgate. Social life is also great if you're looking for a Greek life. You most likely get a job at Big 4 if you have decent grades, but exceptional students consistently make it to Wall Street firms. Alum loyalty is also strong, esp. fraternity alums.

Ugh the FBI still quotes the Dow...
-Matt Levine

12/23/12

if you can afford it, NYU Stern is a joke to get into as long as you crushed your SAT's (2200+). I got early notification of acceptance (they send out acceptances early for their 'top' candidates) with a 3.3 UW HS GPA.

12/23/12

Penn State has a significant presence on the Street. So far Goldman, BAML, BlackRock, and Morgan Stanley actively recruit on-campus

12/23/12

Went to IU undergrad, so I know plenty of former Kelley guys on the street.

What about Michigan/Ross? Nobody has mentioned them, but U of M always seems to have a few guys at any firm or in any division.

12/24/12

peinvestor2012:
Went to IU undergrad, so I know plenty of former Kelley guys on the street.

What about Michigan/Ross? Nobody has mentioned them, but U of M always seems to have a few guys at any firm or in any division.

According to a friend, Ross gets great on-campus recruiting including really exclusive places like Centerview, Allen & Company, Blackstone along with GS/MS/etc

12/24/12

peinvestor2012:
Went to IU undergrad, so I know plenty of former Kelley guys on the street.

What about Michigan/Ross? Nobody has mentioned them, but U of M always seems to have a few guys at any firm or in any division.

Ross is pretty well known as a strong semi-target. Lots of BB/MM IBD placement and a lot of top prop shops come as well.

12/23/12

+1 for Patriot league schools... I know quite a few people from Bucknell, Colgate, and Lehigh that are on Wallstreet (and at some of the top firms in force).

12/23/12

Stop it. Everyone, stop it. We have data. Anecdotal bullshit can go away forever now. And the answer is clearly Georgetown.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/blog/what-banker-ca...

and,
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/blog/what-banker-ca...

"There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first, be smarter, or cheat."

12/25/12

Sandhurst:
Stop it. Everyone, stop it. We have data. Anecdotal bullshit can go away forever now. And the answer is clearly Georgetown.

YEAHHHH Georgetown MSB FTW. Plus georgetown is a pretty awesome place to go to school (DC an all)

(Slight bias because I do go to Gtown..)

12/23/12

how is baruch underrated? banks recruit for BO work at baruch. the only way to land FO from baruch is to network, which is what you do if you're at any non-target.

12/27/12

Febreeze:
how is baruch underrated? banks recruit for BO work at baruch. the only way to land FO from baruch is to network, which is what you do if you're at any non-target.

Baruch isn't really a target, but we have a very strong alumni network on the street. Just type in investment banking on linkedin and you can bother your fellow alumni with cold emails for hours on end.

Competition is a sin.

-John D. Rockefeller

12/24/12

ITT: People post their schools

MM IB -> TMT Corporate Development

12/24/12

can only talk about the UK: Bath, Bristol and Durham. It's a real misconception to think that Finance in London is dominated by LSE, Warwick and Oxbridge.

12/24/12

OP, if I understand correctly, you are asking which college should you go to given that 1) you want to go into banking/finance 2) you don't have top target school stats

I'm just not sure if the right question for you is "which one is most underrated for getting onto the street." Rather, your question appears to be "where should I go to maximize my chance to break into XYZ wall street job." I think you list a bunch of schools that you would enjoy attending, can probably get into, can afford, etc. Then, narrow the list down to only the schools where your future (hopeful) employers actively recruit.

In my opinion, students who belong at top BB's, Big 3 consulting firms, etc. will get there whether they go to Penn or IU. As long as you go to a school where those firms recruit, you hypothetically have a shot, but the rest is up to you to make the most out of your college experience, extra-curriculars, network, etc.

I'm sure plenty of people disagree, but this is just one data point for you to consider. Best of luck!

TCB... you know taking care of business

12/24/12

I don't know why no one has said it, but Notre Dame is definitely underrated. No one seems to talk about it but its a target for every BB in NY except CS and UBS. For SA this summer, 3 are going into GS IBD, 7 into JPM IBD, and 2 into MS IBD NY, and that's all I know of so far.

12/25/12

UCLA sends 20+ a year, rarely mentioned.

12/27/12

McGill has quite a lot of alums on the street and in corporate law down there in NYC

12/27/12

fordham can help if you want to be in nyc -- i think we usually have at least one or two from fordham in the internship program and i've heard HR ask before, "if he wanted to be in nyc in finance why didn't he go to a school in nyc?"... when comparing candidates... note, there are plenty of reasons why you'd make your college choice -- just adding some reinforcement re fordham.

i also see a solid amt of uva, some lehigh, some tufts, notre dame, umichigan, some vtech... less on the cali school side but that's prob bc most of that crew is heading to san fran... i think bu kids may be getting their jobs in boston.

choose the best school for you with a good program... try to locate yourself where you want to work if possible... crush it in school, take the right econ courses, belong to the investment club (aka cross your t's and dot your i's), and use your career services to find any contacts of fellow grads on wall street -- reach out to them and take it from there... hopefully they can help you get your foot in the door (and you can help the next college kid from your school get his foot in the door to keep the good times going).

if for whatever reason there is no good school-related contact, then branch out to your broader network and cast a wide net of applications... find your best opportunity and make the most of it.

the great thing about wall street is that once you get in, all that matters is that you work hard and do well... where you went to school will be a conversation topic, not a judgment.

best of luck

who is john galt?

12/27/12

Dartmouth? Not too many mentions here and not on top with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford but damn do we rock at recruiting.

12/28/12

Powa23:
Dartmouth? Not too many mentions here and not on top with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford but damn do we rock at recruiting.

Fellow ivy grad and I can tell I would love to switch to Dartmouth. People seem to love their experience there unlike many other ivies and you would probably have the most loyal alumni I have ever met.

12/28/12

McGill University in Canada. Especially, the business school: Desautels Faculty of Management.

12/28/12

McGill University in Canada. Especially, the business school: Desautels Faculty of Management.

12/28/12

Baruch has actually become a target school for several banks, and it is by FAR the least expensive school on any of these lists. Their alums tend to be raving fanatics for this very reason. Students from there have natural street smarts because they work their way through school and not one of them has ever had anything handed to him/her for free due to family connections. They earn they jobs the hard way. Plus it's extremely diverse so banks go there for diversity recruiting. It's the one I would recommend.

12/28/12

Wisconsin's Undergraduate Investment Banking Club (application only) places a huge percentage of it's members at top IB firms each year. Also, perennially a choice for the top party school in the US.

12/28/12

Wisconsin's Undergraduate Investment Banking Club (application only) places a huge percentage of it's members at top IB firms each year. Also, perennially a choice for the top party school in the US.

12/28/12

Just my two cents here... I've seen a # of Franklin and Marshall grads working in IB. School is about 2k students and change.

Would also say that Georgetown is somewhat underrated and that--for some reason unknown to man--CUNY is underrated. But I see a lot of CUNY Series 7 joker-brokers not real finance pros.

12/28/12

What about the University of Richmond or the university of Wisconsin?

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.

12/28/12

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/blog/what-banker-ca...

Just by going off this data set and juxtaposing it with the comparatively smaller amounts of coverage these top 20-30 US News ranked mid-sized privates get: Georgetown, Boston College, Vanderbilt, Emory seem to be very underrated on here. Wouldn't look too far into the likes if Illionis and A&M since they are ridiculously huge schools.

12/28/12

I was accepted at Hamilton, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colgate, Fordham, and Richmond and chose Richmond because of the small class sizes and the resources of a $2 B endowment. Comparing to the other schools I got into I feel Richmond offers one of the best educations and turns out qualified students

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.

12/29/12

nl4ct:
I was accepted at Hamilton, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colgate, Fordham, and Richmond and chose Richmond because of the small class sizes and the resources of a $2 B endowment. Comparing to the other schools I got into I feel Richmond offers one of the best educations and turns out qualified students

LOL... yea fvcking right dude. Nobody would turn down UMich, Colgate or even UW for Richmond.

12/29/12

peinvestor2012:
nl4ct:
I was accepted at Hamilton, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colgate, Fordham, and Richmond and chose Richmond because of the small class sizes and the resources of a $2 B endowment. Comparing to the other schools I got into I feel Richmond offers one of the best educations and turns out qualified students

LOL... yea fvcking right dude. Nobody would turn down UMich, Colgate or even UW for Richmond.

I know kids who turned down Mich since they offer crap fin aid to out of state applicants. This is true of all of the state school systems except for UVA which has a full ride scholarship (I know a person who turned down Cornell CAS for UVA Mcintire full ride).

12/28/12

I'm a Senior at Indiana University and can say first-hand it's a great place to go for Wall Street, especially if you're interested in IB. I was in the Investment Workshop on the Investment Management side and President of the Undergraduate Investment Club. There's people from the workshop going into BB IB, PE, prop firms, private wealth, BB S&T, etc.

There's a great alumni network (esp in NYC/Chicago for IB). When I was considering BB banks for S&T, getting interviews was very manageable because the alumni are very helpful. Also, the Finance classes are very informative and most of my instructors have been amazing.

That said, networking is key. Talk to everyone, bounce back from rejection, keep hustling. I'm doing strategy/acquisitions work for a PE firm in the midwest after graduation, which was something that came from word-of-mouth. Try everything, too- I've interned at a global macro hedge fund in FL, a commercial bank in NY, a Hong Kong sell-side trading firm, and a large commodities trading firm in CT all from just reaching out. You learn a lot from seeing different sides of the industry. Don't be afraid to experiment and keep in touch with the people you connect with.

12/28/12

I hate to admit it but Fordham is a pretty good choice. I know a lot of people there and they all have internships at BB IBs, boutiques and just about everything in between. All of the BBs recruit there.

I go to Boston U. and the options are terrible. The school is moving well in undergrad business rankings but the IB/PE/(insert banking acronym here) options are still non-existent.

12/28/12

I hate to admit it but Fordham is a pretty good choice. I know a lot of people there and they all have internships at BB IBs, boutiques and just about everything in between. All of the BBs recruit there.

I go to Boston U. and the options are terrible. The school is moving well in undergrad business rankings but the IB/PE/(insert banking acronym here) options are still non-existent.

12/28/12

Harvard.

if you like it then you shoulda put a banana on it

12/28/12

I don't know about underrated or if it is semi target, but I think U Michigan sometimes surprises people. It's a top 25 feeder school to HBS though UVA is slightly higher. Illinois and BYU were higher than I thought they'd be as well: http://poetsandquants.com/2011/08/15/top-feeder-co...

if you like it then you shoulda put a banana on it

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12/28/12

Don't go to school a) over school b) because you think that it will give you a better shot at landing a job on Wall Street. Don't choose a school by going on to Linkedin and finding out how many associates there are at each bank from a particular school and making your choice. Go to the school that you think you will enjoy the most, get good grades, be happy and this will show through in your application.

Don't go to IU or Michigan just because you think it will provide you with a better opportunity to get a job in FO of a BB if you really want to go to a LAC but didn't get into Williams or Amherst, go to Bowdoin or Hamilton if you like small schools and be happy. Similarly, if you didn't get into Michigan (and wanted to go to a big state school with athletics etc), don't go to Fordham because you think that it will provide you with better Wall Street Ops. Go to the University of Wisconsin. If you want to go to a traditional Southern school but didn't get into Duke or Vanderbilt, go to Davidson or Wake Forest.

My point being that outside of the true targets (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Duke), there are probably 50 schools that will place you on Wall Street, just get good grades, pad your resume and have a good time. There's absolutely no point in going to a school, being miserable, having your grades suffer and not getting interviews. Out of the HUGE number of schools that feed to Wall Street many of them are vastly different and not suitable for everyone.

Some anecdotal evidence. I went to Brown and was accepted to every Ivy that I applied to and chose it over Yale, Dartmouth, Penn and Cornell. I chose Brown because I liked the campus, location, curriculum, atmosphere etc. I knew that by going to Brown I had a shot at getting a good job and it provided me with the opportunities I needed. Do I regret my decision to choose Brown over Yale? Not one bit. I had the time of my life, got a decent GPA, did a SA stint in BB S&T, got interviews at DE Shaw, Blackstone and ended up at GS and have worked at HF's. Would I have had better opportunities if I'd attended Yale or Penn? Probably. But having visited Yale (and especially Cornell), I would have been miserable and probably gotten a low GPA and really regretted my college decision. There are about 15 schools that will give you as good a shot as you can get at landing a gig on Wall Street and once at these schools it's up to you.

I always wonder about these guys like 'seedyunderbelly' who come on here and say don't choose 'x' school it's the bottom Ivy and that HYP>Dartmouth>Cornell>Brown or whatever and that go to Cornell as they placed 7 at BAML and 5 at GS and Dartmouth placed 3 or whatever. I mean who really cares? To HS seniors, my advice is don't listen to these people. Most of these people haven't finished college or even still high school. They're also going to realize when they're 35 that they don't like their job and have spent the last 15 years of their lives pursuing some absolutely false notion of what is going to make them happy.

Rant over, but having been through the process of Wall Street jobs I have a good perspective on recruiting for Wall Street, especially at the Ivies and especially Brown so if anyone has any questions, please post them.

12/28/12

I don't know that many people from Madison that are on Wall St. (maybe a lot more in the bairds, PJ's and HW of the mid-west) BUT there definitely are some. Has to be b/c the school is so big.

I would also add in Northwestern, Emory, and USC/UCLA

12/28/12

vanderbilt>emory>ucla>usc

12/28/12

villanova

12/29/12

seen lots of kids from UW Madison, but most of them have also been huge toolbags.

12/29/12

Rutgers is underrated for sure. They have a similar deal to IU's workshop with LIBOR which places decently. Colgate/Bucknell do decently as well but aren't known or talked about. I've heard of several claremont mckenna/macalester type of LAC grads as well doing well for themselves.

12/29/12

I am surprised that no one mentioned Purdue University at all. It is definitely one of the most underrated school on the list. I personally know five people from Purdue working in CS/BC/JM and few are working in MM . I heard that 2 of Purdue alumnis are now working in GS right now. All of them are working in IB.

12/29/12

Do well and you can easily get to a BB in NYC from any of UVA, UNC, Michigan, UIUC, IU, Wisconsin, UTex, T A&M. They are all great options if you want a big school experience.

12/29/12

It was my favorite school I got into so I decided to go there.

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