Is it Okay to Have Facial Hair on Wall Street?

So - after reading all these discussions on style/dress code...i figured i would throw this out there...for men, if facial hair frowned upon in the IB world? I have been wearing a goatee for years...do i need to shave to be taken seriously? Is it really that shallow?

Is Having Facial Hair Acceptable In Investment Banking?

While there is no specific rule in dress codes regarding facial hair, there are some "secret" dress codes that investment bankers follow.

Take Goldman Sachs for example, their dress code is to just "fit in" with the rest of the firm, even if it means wearing suits while taking a smoke break. As for beards, typically bankers have their beards shaved and only a select few senior staff have beards.

As a junior member of the team, you should assume that you should be clean shaven. If you are curious about what the informal code of conduct is, ask another junior team member that has been at the firm longer than you have been.

If you have any other comments or experience in having a beard in investment banking please comment below!

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Jan 22, 2007 - 10:26am
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Absolutely without a doubt, at least in my group.

Here are some selections from Wikipedia:

"In the course of history, men with facial hair have been ascribed various attributes such as wisdom, sexual virility, or high status, but also a lack of cleanliness and refinement, or an eccentric disposition."

"Full beards nonetheless remain a fringe phenomenon."

"... no President has worn a full beard since Benjamin Harrison, and no President has worn any facial hair at all since William H. Taft."

"... there is a close and consistent association of long standing in American film between facial hair and role â€"- if one lead male character has more facial hair than another, he is far more likely to be the antagonist, and the man with less (or no) facial hair the protagonist."

"Even today there is some degree of prejudice against beards and against men who wear beards, although it is much less serious than it once was."

The fact is that wearing a beard is not 100% the most conservative option... so to wear one is to publicly refuse to conform to the blandest possible personal appearance. This is dangerous. This is also why the only people around here who wear beards are Sikhs. They, of course, get a buy due to their faith. (I have not seen any Jews or Muslims wearing beards in IB, but I'm sure they would receive a similar buy.)

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Jun 8, 2016 - 11:36am
falcon00, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Facial hair is gross. Even after I left the military I still keep myself clean shaven. Just my 2 wampum. :)

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Jun 8, 2016 - 11:39am
Charming Chimp, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Whoa, trying to look like Kimbo himself there huh? I'd say beards look cool and make you stand out.

Jun 8, 2016 - 11:42am
WACC_attack, what's your opinion? Comment below:

it 100% depends on your position, whether it's i-banking or anything else in the business world. so i guess in short, no--facial hair probably would not be acceptable for either an analyst or an associate. if you're higher up, it's a different story. i mean, look at steve jobs. he's rockin' the full beard, crying about how unprofessional he looks in his turtlenecks and 1982 jeans all the way to the bank.

Jan 22, 2007 - 11:54am
unztopable, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I'm a sikh and I wear a beard, though I do trim it a little, and manage it to look proper. If I get frowned upon for putting up a beard, then it shows non-equal opportunity employment which I will blatantly refuse.

Jun 8, 2016 - 11:44am
joefish, what's your opinion? Comment below:

A beard worthy of Joe Perella / Facial hair in M&A (Originally Posted: 03/26/2008)

I hate shaving, I hate it with a passion and wish I could get away with shaving once a week instead of every freakin', goddamn day

Unfortunately, I'll be working at an M&A advisory firm this summer where presentation seems to be prized above almost everything else and everyone looks like a model

So guys, how many $multi-trillion deals do I need to close before I can say "F*ck this, I'm going to display Perella-esque facial hair" !!?

Jan 22, 2007 - 1:12pm
fraser24gt, what's your opinion? Comment below:
unztopable:
I'm a sikh and I wear a beard, though I do trim it a little, and manage it to look proper. If I get frowned upon for putting up a beard, then it shows non-equal opportunity employment which I will blatantly refuse.
To play devil's advocate here: Really, isn't it reverse discrimination in a way to not allow some white guy to have a goatee? I understand it is for different reasons(religious vs. personal preference), but is it really fair to disqualify a white guy from a job if he has facial hair?
Jan 22, 2007 - 3:57pm
unztopable, what's your opinion? Comment below:
fraser24gt:
unztopable:
I'm a sikh and I wear a beard, though I do trim it a little, and manage it to look proper. If I get frowned upon for putting up a beard, then it shows non-equal opportunity employment which I will blatantly refuse.
To play devil's advocate here: Really, isn't it reverse discrimination in a way to not allow some white guy to have a goatee? I understand it is for different reasons(religious vs. personal preference), but is it really fair to disqualify a white guy from a job if he has facial hair?

I don't really have a problem against anybody having facial hair. In fact, I think facial hair is pretty cool. However, it's not about personal preference anymore when you come into iBanking. You get paid a ton to be their corporate slave, and it's all about the requirements of professionalism they would like their company to project facing their clients. When it comes to religion, it is proper etiquette, even in the business world, to be respectful of everyones faith and that's why it has nothing to do with reverse discrimination.

Jun 8, 2016 - 11:47am
fandango, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Agreed, but I still wish we lived in the good old days when a banker without a beard (and potentially a wonderfully huge mustache!) would have been out of place. I hate shaving, and I doubly hate shaving and buttoning up my collar and wearing a tie right afterwards. Hence the move to S&T where I can live without a tie and avoid the neck-burn (ok, so that wasn't the real reason, but it is a positive factor in the move).


"It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879)

"Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel

-------------------- "It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879) "Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel
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Jun 8, 2016 - 11:48am
chilloutman, what's your opinion? Comment below:

by then, you would have already made a name for yourself and a track record of success. So wouldnt matter if you ugly with a beard, as long as you can execute, its all the clients care about. You can walk into a meeting with a robe (Evan Almighty) and still win a deal! ;)

Jun 8, 2016 - 11:49am
fandango, what's your opinion? Comment below:

By the way, is this rule of not having facial hair as valid for Sales and/or Trading as it is for IBD? And for London as well as NYC in all groups?


"It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879)

"Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel

-------------------- "It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879) "Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel
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Jun 8, 2016 - 11:50am
chilloutman, what's your opinion? Comment below:
fandango:
By the way, is this rule of not having facial hair as valid for Sales and/or Trading as it is for IBD? And for London as well as NYC in all groups?

"It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879)

"Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel

Probably more important in Sales, as you meet clients all day. Not so much for trading as you bummed on your chair all the time. You can probably get away with having facial hair as a trader...

Jun 8, 2016 - 11:51am
Frank Slaughtery, what's your opinion? Comment below:

story on the trading floor. some analyst used to come in with a clean goatee. md came up to him and said "if i ever see you with that f**king facial hair every again i will go insane". needless to say he has been clean shaven ever since

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Jun 8, 2016 - 11:53am
TheKing, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Eh, I shave probably 3 times a week. I like a little weekend stubble. People in my group don't give a shit unless you need to face a client / prospect.

Jun 8, 2016 - 11:54am
pongo, what's your opinion? Comment below:

beards? (Originally Posted: 03/27/2008)

Does anyone here sport a beard as an analyst/associate or have coworkers who do? I have yet to see a single person at my office who does...acceptable? yay? nay?

Jan 22, 2007 - 12:13pm
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yes... Sikhs have that ability due to their faith, but some guy who wants to wear a goatee because he thinks it looks cool will be frowned upon, at least in my group. All the Sikhs in this building wear the dastaar as well, which (FYI for non-sikhs) is a mandatory article of faith and underlines the fact that they wear beards for religious purposes.

Unztopable, if you don't want to trim, you shouldn't have to... I know that many devout Sikhs don't agree with that practice either.

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Jan 22, 2007 - 12:58pm
relinquo, what's your opinion? Comment below:

it is acceptable if you're in ib in saudi arabia, perhaps.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:05pm
monkeyjunkie, what's your opinion? Comment below:
whateverittakes:
Keep it clean and smooth. Joe Perella is one of the few who can get away with a beard.

That's only cuz he can do whatever the fuck he wants now. Joe Perella back in the day:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=joe+perella&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djoe%2Bperella%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&imgurl=36abe1378642ca31

Smooth is definitely the way to go...although shaving everyday destroys my baby-sensitive skin. The real question is: blade or electric? How the hell do you get a close shave with electric?!

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:03pm
Mayor Quimby, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Fingertips:
So, a well-kept beard? Baby-smooth? A manly mustache?

How do you keep your facial hair, how is facial hair looked upon in finance?

A clean shave every morning, and a full beard by the time I leave at 2 am. Gotta love banking.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:10pm
useless, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I'm black, so I have to shave, or else things can become entangled in my facial hair.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:12pm
jgc2122, what's your opinion? Comment below:

No facial hair on wall street

"If Henry Ford had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." -Steve Jobs
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:13pm
Frieds, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I rock a Goatee. My general rule is I shave 1-2 to keep my face pretty clean. Then again, I have an amazing shaving kit which helps, and yes, how you shave is just as important as shaving. A good shave with the right shaving products keeps the hair from growing back a little longer. I trim my Goatee once a week.

If and when I have kids, I'll probably move onto sporting a beard. There is nothing wrong with having facial hair. What matters is how you neat you keep it.

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Jun 8, 2016 - 12:14pm
SirTradesaLot, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Tasteful Thickness:
So, a well-kept beard? Baby-smooth? A manly mustache?

How do you keep your facial hair, how is facial hair looked upon in finance?

I have done clean shaven, goatee, and beard at one point or another. Although, while I was at a big firm, it was always clean shaven. One time I shaved my beard so that only a '70's style mustache remained, Unfortunately, that didn't last more than an hour because my wife basically threw up in her mouth when she saw it.
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:15pm
BlackHat, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Perpetual scruff.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:17pm
Wanderer-in-Time, what's your opinion? Comment below:

If you are in the finance business, a well kept beard is not out of question only if you have been working for quite long and now your links matter a lot more than your physical appearance. Otherwise you should truly stick to the baby smooth thing or go with some trendy but elegant moustache style. Hope it helps...

In Time I wander
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:18pm
BlackHat, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Mad scruff right now.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:19pm
Bondarb, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I shave once a week on Sunday night and by that time i have a full beard. By Wednesday I would say I am not appropriate for a normal job in finance but people tolerate it where i work because i have made them money. In the hedge fund world one can pull off the "mad genius" look...i'd stay away from it in investment banking or in any of the other more corporate parts of the financial world.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:21pm
amx1992, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Well, I use a double edge safety razor, it gives a very close shave, good for sensitive skin, and using a nice badger hair shaving brush (Edwin Jagger, Vulfix, Kent), with some good quality shaving creams (Truefitt & Hill, Taylor of Old Bond Street, Geo. F Trumpers) it's not a problem to achieve a nice baby smooth face. The creams might be expensive but they last long, about 4~6 months.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:27pm
Art.Vandelay, what's your opinion? Comment below:
amx1992:
Well, I use a double edge safety razor, it gives a very close shave, good for sensitive skin, and using a nice badger hair shaving brush (Edwin Jagger, Vulfix, Kent), with some good quality shaving creams (Truefitt & Hill, Taylor of Old Bond Street, Geo. F Trumpers) it's not a problem to achieve a nice baby smooth face. The creams might be expensive but they last long, about 4~6 months.

Glad I'm not the only one using safety razors and quality shaving equipment. Yeah, the initial investment might be a little high, but you save that within a couple of months of buying cheap blades instead of cartridges.

100 double sided Shark blades for $10 or 8 regular cartridges for $20? No brainer...

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:28pm
BlackHat, what's your opinion? Comment below:
amx1992:
Well, I use a double edge safety razor, it gives a very close shave, good for sensitive skin, and using a nice badger hair shaving brush (Edwin Jagger, Vulfix, Kent), with some good quality shaving creams (Truefitt & Hill, Taylor of Old Bond Street, Geo. F Trumpers) it's not a problem to achieve a nice baby smooth face. The creams might be expensive but they last long, about 4~6 months.

This has a very American Psycho-esque feel to it.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
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Jun 8, 2016 - 12:26pm
konig, what's your opinion? Comment below:

If I was working in the US/Europe, thin mustache.

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Greed is Good.
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:30pm
Nebular, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Facial hair. (Originally Posted: 08/30/2011)

I love my beard (well groomed and low), and I think I look too childish if I don't sport atleast sideburns. I know it is looked down to have facial hair in the industry, but if I keep it clean will the positive outweigh the negative if I do indeed look too childish without it?

Jan 22, 2007 - 1:01pm
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

But this guy's asking about his goatee, which (at least to me) seemed like a personal choice and not a religious necessity.

Jan 22, 2007 - 1:28pm
relinquo, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Mis Ind:
But this guy's asking about his goatee, which (at least to me) seemed like a personal choice and not a religious necessity.

same as in saudi arabia. you can go clean shaven there as well. i know a director who has grown a goatee since moving to the middle east. he covers saudi as well.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:32pm
Flake, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I would shave it for interviews, just to be safe (it doesn't sound like a big deal but there are some weird people out there). Once you get the job, grow it back and keep it nicely groomed.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:43pm
Reality, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Flake:
I would shave it for interviews, just to be safe (it doesn't sound like a big deal but there are some weird people out there). Once you get the job, grow it back and keep it nicely groomed.

This is the optimal strategy - being conservative never hurts in interviews. A lot of people judge 'fit' by look.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:33pm
makeyourownluck, what's your opinion? Comment below:

No one around me has facial hair.....i'd go without it.

its one way or the other: hate me or admire.
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:34pm
FinancialNoviceII, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Definitely shave for interviews - had an issue when I had a full beard. Nothing too major but I would have liked to avoid it. That said, I fucking hate shaving. Such a chore.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:36pm
UFOinsider, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Shave your head like a bhuddist monk

Get busy living
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Jun 8, 2016 - 12:40pm
LIBOR, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Paul McCulley grew some AFTER he left PIMCO

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/73591226/

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:41pm
WalMartShopper, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Are you fucking retarded?

Nebular:
I love my beard (well groomed and low), and I think I look too childish if I don't sport atleast sideburns. I know it is looked down to have facial hair in the industry, but if I keep it clean will the positive outweigh the negative if I do indeed look too childish without it?
If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:42pm
Nebular, what's your opinion? Comment below:
WalMartShopper:
Are you fucking retarded?
Nebular:
I love my beard (well groomed and low), and I think I look too childish if I don't sport atleast sideburns. I know it is looked down to have facial hair in the industry, but if I keep it clean will the positive outweigh the negative if I do indeed look too childish without it?

Since 10 other people gave a coherent response besides you, I'm going to go with no.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:44pm
Nebular, what's your opinion? Comment below:

True. I could grow it back in about a week and a half anyhow, however can I shave it and keep sideburns? Or just do away with it all? The beard is also a confidence factor for me T.T.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:49pm
knivek, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Clean shaven in the vast majority of all "professional" industries... finance included.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:50pm
TheBig, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I've noticed that in IM a lot of senior guys (MD+) have beards.

Jan 22, 2007 - 1:39pm
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Fraser, there's a girl here who can't work from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown due to the Jewish requirements. However, I (who have no such requirements) cannot simply say, "As a matter of personal choice, I choose not to work on Saturdays." See the difference? Now, I could try to BS it and pretend to be orthodox Jewish, but it would still smell of BS and nobody would buy it.

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Jun 8, 2016 - 12:53pm
goingbustbanking, what's your opinion? Comment below:

My thoughts, lose it. You can grow into "billy-badass-facial-hair-guy", but don't come in that way. As mentioned above, way more to lose, what's the benefit?

"We're not lawyers, we're investment bankers. We call you for the paperwork. We didn't go to Harvard, we went to Wharton, and we saw you coming a mile away."
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:54pm
Teddy Roosevelt, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Wait until you hit MD, then you grow a sweet beard.

Please don't quote Patrick Bateman.

Jun 8, 2016 - 12:56pm
BlackHat, what's your opinion? Comment below:

A ton.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:57pm
SirTradesaLot, what's your opinion? Comment below:
BlackHat:

A ton.

My guess: you're talking about different kinds of analysts.
Jun 8, 2016 - 12:58pm
Going Concern, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I have met banker / sell-side type people that are completely psycho about having even the tiniest strand of facial hair. I mean, if you have thick stubble and shave too much your face is going to get a little bloodied up, but that's just a risk you'll have to take if you are aiming to work for those kinds of folks.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:01pm
NYCbandar, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Nobody cares about your linkedin picture in terms of the bank you're working at as an analyst, but that is the first thing that many headhunters are going to see, and they may or may not care, so if you want to get contacted about exit ops, clean shaven is better than not. Clean shaven is like, the baseline so to speak. Visible facial hair makes you "different." Some people will care, some won't, in my mind it doesn't make sense to throw away that whole set of job offers that care just because you can't be bothered to spend 5 mins shaving for a LinkedIn pic, but to each their own.

Aside from the LinkedIn pic, you should really stay clean shaven if you work in banking. You're sell side, your whole career advancement in that industry is a function of your client relationships. You develop client relationships by convincing your boss to take you to meetings/dinners/events with clients. Nobody is going to put you in front of a client if you don't look professional, and for better or worse, facial hair looks less professional.

Also facial hair is a bit of a statement. Like... If you rock a big beard, you're kinda saying "I make enough rain that the rules don't apply to me." Guess what, if you're asking this question, you didn't earn a beard. It's like flashing gang signs in a bad neighborhood. If you didn't earn that shit, you're better off not claiming it.

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Jun 8, 2016 - 1:02pm
Wanderer-in-Time, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I dont think you should make it a concern. No body really cares if there is a stubble. I think you should focus on the performance aspect of the job rather than worry about minute details in presentation.

In Time I wander
Jun 8, 2016 - 1:03pm
APAE, what's your opinion? Comment below:

With questions like these, I've always taken the approach where if I know it might be a problem for some people, I opt for the safer choice. Why risk anything? If you know it has even the slightest chance of posing an issue for someone who may make a decision that affects you, why take that chance?

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:04pm
Teddy Roosevelt, what's your opinion? Comment below:

This keeps getting bumped. TL;DR: If your on the sell-side...shave until you hit MD. Buy-side there may be more latitude based on firm culture. /thread

Please don't quote Patrick Bateman.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:07pm
SaltySpitoon, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What if your face gets wicked cut up by a razor? I've used the art of shaving and I still get razor burn. Lately I've been using a trimmer that cuts it down to pretty much a five o'clock shadow or less. You guys think that is okay, say for an interview or just everyday work?

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln
Jun 8, 2016 - 1:08pm
BlackHat, what's your opinion? Comment below:
SaltySpitoon:

What if your face gets wicked cut up by a razor? I've used the art of shaving and I still get razor burn. Lately I've been using a trimmer that cuts it down to pretty much a five o'clock shadow or less. You guys think that is okay, say for an interview or just everyday work?

Or just learn to shave properly

I hate victims who respect their executioners
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Jun 8, 2016 - 1:12pm
JonDoe297, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Why are there so many more people with beards since the beginning of the Great Recession? (Originally Posted: 06/26/2013)

I hope they are not trying to emulate Bernanke.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
Jan 22, 2007 - 1:42pm
Seanc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Just for the record, goatees may be lame , but chicks love french beards, in fact since I grew my french beard the ladies say I look like Leo Di Caprio in The Departed...a far more manly version though.

Feb 15, 2007 - 10:48am
ssd82, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Seanc:
Just for the record, goatees may be lame , but chicks love french beards, in fact since I grew my french beard the ladies say I look like Leo Di Caprio in The Departed...a far more manly version though.

No doubt, you're probably a filthy animal! How you like them apples?

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:15pm
JonDoe297, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Bobb:

Pay is down, can't afford to cut it

That does not explain why Icahn growing a beard.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
Jun 8, 2016 - 1:16pm
TraderDaily, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I think I saw an article a while back in Details Mag that touched on this. Since the recession started in '08, some men developed a new attitude - kind of like "no time for putting up a successful front. We're in a touch time phase look."

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:17pm
JonDoe297, what's your opinion? Comment below:

In what area of finance are beards most appropriate? (Originally Posted: 08/10/2013)

Icahn look cool with a beard.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
Jan 22, 2007 - 2:41pm
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I don't love beards of any sort. Just my opinion.

Also, have never heard of a "french beard". As far as I've seen, Gallic males seem to prefer a small moustache with no beard. Is this what you're talking about?

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:20pm
Texas Tea, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Shave your beard or you wont receive a full time offer, that's a a fact.

Jan 22, 2007 - 3:35pm
Seanc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

No it's a light moustache connected to a light goatee, I trim it regularly to make sure I don't end up looking like I converted to Islam.

I guess French Beard isn't the right term for it, someone told me that's what it's called.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:24pm
Dsneidz, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Beards On Wall St. (Originally Posted: 11/04/2014)

I'm not talking about a vagabond neck beard you get from playing to much world of war craft in your moms basement. I'm talking...

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:26pm
TraderDaily, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Do NOT wear a fucking beard if you're seriously trying to start in Finance...Some older guys might do it, but they're already cemented in the field. You're young and trying to figure out how to fuck yourself by wearing a beard? Are you kidding me?

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:27pm
abacab, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Ok for Movember.

Array
Jun 8, 2016 - 1:29pm
companion, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What is your office policy for beards? (Originally Posted: 05/02/2015)

Other than Conor McGregor, I haven't seen a man going to his lucrative job with a beard and a suit.

Jan 22, 2007 - 3:51pm
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Oh yeah, like a modern Van Dyck, the light half-centimeter length that you can see skin tone through. That's a very young and tuned-in look, though. You may not want to project such a youthful image. That would place you as being very much an outsider to Wall Street.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:31pm
JohnnyD91, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Groomed Beard for Analysts? (Originally Posted: 06/30/2015)

Can you have a short neat groomed beard as an IB analyst. Whats the big deal if it still looks good and professional. Don't understand the hate. Any thoughts and explanation on why it makes a bad impression.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:32pm
jorn_umpo, what's your opinion? Comment below:

For some reason, a lot of the more senior guys are just against facial hair. It makes no sense to me either, but I'm interested to see what others have to say.

Hey, how's your art career going?
Jun 8, 2016 - 1:33pm
networkyournetworth, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I personally feel that having a consistently groomed neat beard can be seen as just another facial feature, such as high cheek bones, nose structure, etc. The second you let it get sloppy is when it becomes looked upon as "unprofessional".

I personally go into all interviews with a cleanly shaven face. It's only after getting hired that I keep the neatly groomed beard.

(I'm of middle eastern decent and shaving everyday is ridiculous)

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:34pm
Sil, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Investment banking is a very conservative, buttoned-up industry. When you come into a bank with facial hair, you are telling the bank that your facial hair is more important to you than the job. Maybe that is an incorrect assumption on the part of the bank, but that is how it comes across. Just shave.

Jun 8, 2016 - 1:35pm
Red3, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I have kept a mustache since I could grow one. The only times I shaved was for my SA IB stint and now my FT IB stint. I hate shaving everyday but the fact that the Directors, MDs and VPs were clean shaven convinced me to conform.

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Jun 8, 2016 - 1:36pm
BankingBananas, what's your opinion? Comment below:

It's the culture of IB. Senior bankers feel that should do your best to look your best. I've heard of a group head paying for razors for people to go shave in the bathroom.

Jan 23, 2007 - 12:00am
Fjbfj, what's your opinion? Comment below:

IB doesnt like facial hair. I had a goat earlier just before I started recruiting and I had bankers tell me that wall street doesnt wear facial hair. I know one person that has a goatie in the business but it is already hard enough to get a job besides adding something else that could ding you.

I would lose the facial hair if I was you.

Jan 23, 2007 - 12:22am
Seanc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Why all the hate for the goat ? Trust me, I don't need a goatee to make me look older, it's something I grew out on a whim and the chicks seem to like it.

With that being said, let's see what my employers have to say. I just sent them a pic of myself which was taken recently for the analyst facebook .

Jan 23, 2007 - 7:01am
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

because I am muslim....

The day anyone tells me to shave my beard off is the day I walk out....(and sue)

From the ghetto....
Jan 23, 2007 - 7:52am
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Right, Muslims should be free to practice the religion. Ditto Sikhs and Jews. But not some kid who decides he likes his goatee. That's not a religion. And your co-workers will know the difference.

Jan 23, 2007 - 11:47am
maatherchod, what's your opinion? Comment below:

people should learn to respect the code of the industry. if facial hair is frowned upon, shave it off. why bring all the religious crap into it? i hate special treatment seeking maatherchods. muslims, sikhs, jews should decide whats more important: religion or job. everyone today wants to have their cake and eat it, too. and this coming from a brown guy who'll never see an executive position in north america. but that's the way the white cookie has crumbled. if i live here, i should respect the customs.

i mean, how likely is a jew to get a job in pakistan?

i'm getting laser hair removal for my face. i recommend that to the brown folks. it won't remove the hair if you get only a couple of treatments. it'll thin it out so when you shave, you don't have that shadow.

Jan 23, 2007 - 6:18pm
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

....his 'maather' brought him up like a good little naryal.....

Dude - if you have so little respect for your culture or religious heritage that you will throw it away in an instant then I am afraid you are shallow....

A society that is just, true and fair should judge people on their merits. I am not going to give up my religious beliefs so that I can work in IBD - religion is not a 'game', it is not a passtime. You may not have any belief system (apart from teh one where you believe you must always conform to fit in and be accepted) but some of us believe in a bigger picture.

If I am a good banker then I have as much right to be here as you or any other hair lasering freak.

Soon they will be able to take the melanin out of your skin - bet you are saving your bonus for that.......

From the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
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Jan 23, 2007 - 8:59pm
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Bondarb, that's why we have our lovely Islamic finance people in Dubai who figure out how to "give" slices of a company (in return for investments in the company) that don't give voting rights and still pay fixed amounts of money at fixed times. It may look a lot like a bond, but it's totally different. The imams take care of everything, so you know it's okay with God.

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Jan 24, 2007 - 1:44am
relinquo, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Mis Ind:
Bondarb, that's why we have our lovely Islamic finance people in Dubai who figure out how to "give" slices of a company (in return for investments in the company) that don't give voting rights and still pay fixed amounts of money at fixed times. It may look a lot like a bond, but it's totally different. The imams take care of everything, so you know it's okay with God.

the islamic finance people in dubai didn't make up sukuk, ijara or any of those products.

Jan 23, 2007 - 9:18pm
maatherchod, what's your opinion? Comment below:

tier2sta...

you're an idiot. i am very shallow; but why are you afraid? such pedestrian use of the language. and why is it that whenever someone from the indian subcontinent criticizes his/her own culture/religion, he/she is automatically considered whitewashed? I love my culture, even though it is far from perfect.

"A society that is just, true, and fair...". Are you, like, 11? When you find that society, let me know. I'll apply for a Visa. I know you'll reject my application because even in a society that is just, true and fair, the best you'll do is become an immigration officer. but now you've rejected my applicaiton based on subjective criteria. is that really fair? So a society that is just, true and fair does not exist.

and what is so wrong about fitting in? there are times and situations you fit in and times and situations you stand out. if i have to have no facial hair to get a good job in North America, i'll do it. it won't change who i am. you're the shallow one. brrrappppp

Jan 24, 2007 - 4:37am
Monkey1, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I work over in London so maybe this is a different perspective but I really dont see the problem with facial hair but and this is a big BUT - it shud look smart, neat etc...

Saying that I've seen a bunch of big (read huge waisted) MDs who seem to pull in a decent lot of business so as long as you look you can work your clients, no big deal.

Bottom line - facial hair with a quality personality and you have my vote! Facial hair and a bit dull - well you're really not getting it, are u?

Jan 24, 2007 - 6:02am
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Maather - you did not counter my point in any way bar criticising my concept of a just society.

Admittedly there is no suct utopic ideal in existence, but if you are willing to disregard the ideal then not only are you a whitewashed and shallow individual, you are also lacking in any humanity.

Don't tell me my use of language is pedestrian when you end a post with a 'braaap' - are you sure your banker friends would approve of that?

In fact, reading your post all you do is talk about visas and immigration. How is society intrinsically linked to national border control? In your mind the two go hand in hand clearly - did you have a personal experience that haunts you?

If I am an idiot because I think I should not have to compromise my personal beliefs then so be it. I do however hold down a job in the City, in IBD, and wear a beard.

You may carry on bleaching your face.... remember though - you are not of European descent and never will be. Why waste your life trying desperately to become something you are not?

From the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
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Jan 24, 2007 - 6:35am
Monkey1, what's your opinion? Comment below:

You grew up in Amsterdam???? Damn!!! I dont care what kind of childhood you had.... I'd trade places with you any day!

Jan 24, 2007 - 9:30am
DiscoZ, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Lose the hair. It's unwritten. I'm a Muslim and shave (when I have to). Anyway, I see no issue with my faith as I've read the Qur'an and have yet to find the part that tells me to keep a beard.

As for maatherchuod... on the right track to an extent; but gandu, lose the gora-wannabe attitude. You're desi and mela like the rest of us! =D

Islamic finance is a great way to squeeze liquidity from those who believe in the articles of the Sharia, which was, of course derived from Islamic teachings a couple hundred years after the death of the prophet and is in itself not necessarily the Qur'an. Didn't NBK come up with some sort of great Islamic finance product recently? I don't mean the Sukuk, etc.

Metals & Mining I-Banker

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Jan 24, 2007 - 12:27pm
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I wear a trimmed and well kept beard, much like a lot of guys in the Middle East.

I am afraid that not all obligations come from the Qur'an - you will be struggling to work out how many prayers there are in a day if you use just the Qur'an. The beard is a fiqh issue.

From the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
Jan 24, 2007 - 9:13pm
DiscoZ, what's your opinion? Comment below:

In that case, your beard should be kept till the length of your fist. There is no obligation to keep a beard, it is kept on sunnath and the validity of hadith then comes to light. But then again, why loosely follow it, might as well not. And then, why just follow this, do you follow all sunnath?

Anyway, this is off topic. I think that beards are off.

Metals & Mining I-Banker

Jan 24, 2007 - 1:30pm
maatherchod, what's your opinion? Comment below:

lets not start a religious debate. the worst thing a muslim can do is seek help from "scholars" and imams to gain a better understanding of islam.

in any case, i have to now and chak some phatte!

Jan 24, 2007 - 1:30pm
maatherchod, what's your opinion? Comment below:

i meant to say i have to GO now and chak some phatte.

completely ruined my own sentiment.

Jan 24, 2007 - 2:26pm
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I am not wishing to start a religious debtate.... close the book on that.....

As for the beard thing, agree to disagree.....

I won't get rid of my beard and if that puts me at a disadvantage then so be it........

From the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
Jan 24, 2007 - 11:14pm
NoTears, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What is this horseshit about beards in IBD? This is neither 90210 nor Riyadh. Shave and don't look like a faggot. If I was wandering around in, God forbid, Berkeley, I'd be sure to have not showered in weeks, wear Converse shoes and hold signs up denouncing the government. If I was in Riyadh, I'd wear a beach towel for the very sake that I don't get decapitated on Al-Jazzy.

It's called adapting, people. And you must adapt in order to make it, in any business.

Jan 25, 2007 - 7:18am
Mis Ind, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Now there's a true banker reflex.

Jan 25, 2007 - 2:51pm
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

NoTears - your fellow Americans (and Europeans) adapt far less in other countries than someone like me has adapted to the UK.

In fact - screw you - I am not even an immigrant. I was born in the UK. I do what I want. I got a job. I wore a beard to the interviews. I graduated from Oxford, I wore a beard to my graduation.

Before that (and the time that I could grow a beard) I went to a private school, even though I was and am totally ghetto. Don't lecture me about adapting. You'd not last a second in the back streets of Detroit, let alone Riyadh (unless you were in a Westerner compund, cut off from the real society)

Let's get it on biatch (but I fear you may actually enjoy getting it on with other guys)

From the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
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Jan 25, 2007 - 4:31pm
PBrad, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I've lost track of what day it is sometimes, and find myself with a 5 or 6 day beard. Its times like that where its good to have a spare(disposable) razor at my desk.

Jan 26, 2007 - 1:07am
NoTears, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I supposed I touched a nerve to get that lame response. "but I fear you may actually enjoy blah blah blah." Good one!

Not like you have any right to know, but I was born in the U.S. and have lived in the [now] DR Congo, Zambia and Italy before coming back to the States. So NO NEED TO LECTURE ME about ADAPTING. Those who need to adapt are those f-ups who run around blowing themselves up (Arab world), who think they are immune from bullets (Uganda, etc), hippies in general, AND PEOPLE WITH FACIAL HAIR IN IBD.

"Adapting in the U.K." - half of London barely speaks English anymore; what do you mean "adapting"???

Either way, good for you with your employment, education and so forth. Oh and FYI - I went to private school too. I can guarantee you are not as ghetto as you think.

Jan 26, 2007 - 4:53am
relinquo, what's your opinion? Comment below:

bro. nice one lumping the whole "arab world" into the "blowing themselves up" bucket. what is it again, 100MM+ people blowing themselves up? i somehow don't think that that is possible. get a clue. you have no idea.

for someone who has travelled as extensively as you have (3 countries, please), you do seem quite narrow minded, from your comment above. it seems that you have just picked up different kinds of bigotry. its a shame that you have missed out on broadening you perspectives a little.

background: i've grown up over 3 continents and speak 3 languages and have travelled extensively. have a great job and am successful professionally (not that that matters much).

Jan 26, 2007 - 8:27am
NoTears, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Sorry if I wasn't clear - those WERE the places I grew up in (I believe my usage of the word "lived" as opposed to "travelled" should have made it blatantly obvious, but I'll give you benefit of the doubt). There are dozens places I've travelled to, but I have neither the time, nor the inclination to discuss that.

Didn't intend to offend people either. Just angered with people (mainly the original poster and the guy who said he'd sue if he was told to shave) thinking that just people he grew some pubes on his chin that his girlfriend called cute that he can come into this business with his shit hanging out.

Jan 26, 2007 - 8:48am
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I am afraid you have not retorted in any meaningful way to Relinquo's comments - your clear and obvious bigotry is laughable.

London may not speak English, but I was not born in London nor brought up there.

And how is it that I am not allowed any choice in the matter of wearing a beard? Note that Sikhs too are religiously obliged to wear a beard, and most orthodox Jews would wear one too. Are we all not allowed to work in IBD?

I would sue because I am not a facist or a bigot, and I know the law. Society, at a high level, has a sense of decency and humanity and therefore legislates in my favour. Given I live in a democracy legislation reflects the views of the majority so by that logic your opinion is fringe.

I'm sorry if this angers you. That is sad. You cannot accept why not everyone can conform to what you have enshrined in your mind as the rule and law of IBD.

From the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
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Jan 28, 2007 - 12:04am
wicki, what's your opinion? Comment below:

"Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You'll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob."

Jan 28, 2007 - 7:43pm
crazybrianus, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Most bankers are pretty much styless-money-seeking-brains.

If you think that you have some style and have the brass to back the facial...rock it.

Jan 31, 2007 - 1:49pm
Tier2Sta, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I went to Oxford - from the ghetto....

From the ghetto....
Feb 11, 2007 - 6:20pm
AlphaGirl, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I met a few service providers at a conference a few weeks ago with these big ole' meatchops. Needless to say, I was having a very difficult time taking either of them seriously. Guys, if you have them, shave shave shave.
Also keep in mind, it doesn't make any guy "less manly" if he waxes a unibrow.

May 22, 2009 - 8:06pm
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