Class of '07 Analyst pay
What is being considered "street" for '07 class?
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It's
60 + 10 for me
60 + 10 CDN for the Canadian banks
75-90 + 10-15 CDN for the canadian BB offices
Where do you guys go to school and what banks?
That seems high - i m moving up north!
New York and Newport Beach, CA are traditionally higher.
It's in canadian currency which is worth less than usds.
nevertheless that still sounds pretty high, considering the cost of living in Toronto is much lower than say New York.
That 75-90 is the base salary and the 10-15 is the sign on bonus...correct? What can you expect as a year end bonus for a CD BB?
IT'S NOVEMBER and you are just signing on!!!!
Err I think most ppl are discussing what levels will be...not demanding for one now...don't get your panties in a bunch... =P
What banks are you at in cad?
wow i need to kill myself right now.
60/10 for my new york bb
MS, ML, CS, UBS, Citi all pay 80+ CDN base in toronto as far as I know. I think BofA. HSBC and others pay closer to the CDN firms like RBC, CIBC, TD, etc(60-65 base). GS and Lazard are shell offices with only 2-3 analysts. Lehman is supposed to be setting up an office but no real presence yet. Not sure about DB's presence but I don't think its substantial. Not sure about pay at JPM toronto but they have decent presence.
bonuses are similarly converted, so all in this past year (best year in a long time, obviously) was in the 140-180 range for first years, plus signing bonus. They don't hire many people though - each office might have an incoming analyst class of 3-7 people, so they pay high to attract the top candidates from Ivey, queen's, mcgill, etc.
40 - 45k starting.....
That's right
CIBC DCM is 60K Base, 10k Sign on (All in CDN$) RBC IB is 65K Base, 5K Sign on
Bulge Bracket in Canada is doing 75-90K CDN with 10-15K signon.
So as usual the Bulge pays better but for Canada, starting off in the bulge sometimes backfires depending on the bank since some groups are for support rather than execution.
USD: 60K + 10k bonus
Rumor is that UBS and Lehman are paying 65K. Is this true?
no!
I'm in London
Lehman is 60 + 10
heard 60/10 from folks in my group. ny bb
65 + 5 at Canadian Big 6
Hey is it hard to get a job at a BB in Toronto if you went to college in the US?
$80k+ CAD...that's still more than $60k USD considering the fact that the USD is much weaker and it's about 1.1 CAD to 1 USD now.
by the way, $95k CAD is equal to $84k USD.
Yeah I'm uber bullish on the canadian dollar especially given recent tax legislation regarding certain investment vehicles
After crunching the numbers, I made the following conclusion:
F*ck New York/Chicago, I'm going to Toronto. I can always go to New York as an associate.
You should come to London...we make more over here.
If you go to Toronto...you'd have to live in Toronto! Not the most exciting city for a young person with money to spend.
Did you check the income tax rate?
Are you aware this thread is 2 years old?
No seriously, you should probably make sure you check the income tax rate before paying your 2007 taxes. ...that must be what Tim Geithner was waiting on
what is they typical pay bonus range for an operations first year analyst?
$60K for first year?
holymonkey:
yes, it is hard to land a BB spot in Toronto. The total number of analyst spots available per year at all the non-canadian banks would add up to less than 1 incoming class at the NY office of a BB.
I highly doubt u'll get a huge ye bonus if you're working in operations. But I've heard that ops entry-level analysts in NYC get similar starting salaries to those in IBD (ie. 55k + 10k).
Apparently their bonuses rarely exceed 20%. Usually stay at the 5-10% level.
I hear bonuses are taxed at 40%, meaning you only get 60%
So that means if you are in operations, and you get 10% bonus ( approx. $5000) you will end up pocketing $3000 per year. That is quite paltry a figure for a bonus compared to what other divisions make.
but from what i understand OPS pays overtime... Does financial control or like BofA likes to refer to it "Middle office" get overtime? Also, what are the bonuses for them?
I also heard that OPS get paid overtime - so in reality it comes out to be like 55 base + 10 signing bonus + about 40 OT $s = pretty much equals to what a first year front office will make.
Anyone knows?
Got a couple of friends working in Lehman London and paying rents of up to
Where do they live?! I've looked at rents in Central London near the City and Canary Wharf at
Why would it be worth it to work 80-100 hours a week to get 60+10, when I know plenty of guys getting offers at midlevel tech firms for various engineering jobs, as well as MIS and DBAs, all getting around 55+5 and working only 35-40 hrs a week... it just doesnt make any sense!
you're forgetting the yearly bonus - 75%-125% of your base salary for first years this year. The 10 is signing bonus.
You sure 75% would be the lower range? I would've always thought the better range would be 50%-100% in your first year.
Yeah we're talking about base pay here. Also there isn't as much long term earning potential in tech without advanced degrees. They will plateau way before bankers do.
true, we engineers plateau so fast, after just 2 years of climbing the corporate ladder i am making 65k but no signing bonus nor fat bonus; one reason why i am doing my mba :)
As noted- 60 base, 10 relocation is "street".
Hearsay is Citi and Goldman were offering 65 base and 15 sign-on.
Few friends from school (non-target) received offers in ops, with 55 base 10 relocation. No mention of eligibility to participate in y/e bonus.
As noted- 60 base, 10 relocation is "street".
Hearsay is Citi and Goldman were offering 65 base and 15 sign-on.
Few friends from school (non-target) received offers in ops, with 55 base 10 relocation. No mention of eligibility to participate in y/e bonus.
Citi paid 15 K signing bonus to my friends. 60/10 is what I got. What do you guys expect bonuses to be like for the class of '07
Pretty sure GS was 60/10. I do now know if they pay different analysts differently.
I can confirm that. I know multiple individuals from my school who were offered 60/10 from GS.
I haven't heard of any BB's paying differently.
w/ bonus, total comp should be over 100K in the first year...not bad for someone just coming out of college! (That is, if you haven't started the next billion dollar YouTube)
In this morning's WSJ first year analysts out of undergrad this year will make 130-150
No shit it's hard, but is the fact that I went to college in the US going to hurt me if I apply to BBs in Toronto?
Everyone is getting 60-10. I am and I have confirmed this with my friends at these places in both IB and S&T
Goldman Morgan Stanley UBS Deutsche Bank BofA and Wachovia, both Charlotte and NYC Citi Lehman Barclay's
60k is a lot in charlotte
Is also paying 60/10
Does anyone know what CIBC's bonus was for the 2005 class this past july?
But you have to be proactive if you want to work in BB in Canada. Ivey / Queens pretty much dominate canadian BB.
some are getting 15K sign on bonus if they are retained from the summer
I've got a college mate in Lehman (07' class) getting offered:
60k (base) + 10k (sign-on) + 10k (relocation payment)
Anyone else got such a package? Seems like most 07' analyst are getting 60+10.
James,
Did your "college mate" spend the summer with Lehman? Is it in NY?
Also, I thought Deutsche's pay scheme was such that employees are paid overtime. Or atleast that was the word around June, before summers began. Any truth to that?
I heard the same from someone in OPS in Deutsche, so first year base +OT comes out to be like $100G's + any bonuses + relocation $10G's
I am surprised that the relocation package is separate. I was told the signing bonus is in lieu of the relocation costs involved.
Yeah James I believe you are mistaken. The relocation is the signing, firms do not offer both.
I'm getting a signing bonus and a relocation bonus, listed separately in the contract.
who are you working for? and in what city/country?
He is indeed getting 60+10+10. However, he will be relocating to HK. Hence the additional 10k I guess.
fp175: How much are you getting for your sign-on and relocation bonus respectively?
Cheers.
He is indeed getting 60+10+10. However, he will be relocating to HK. Hence the additional 10k I guess.
fp175: How much are you getting for your sign-on and relocation bonus respectively?
Cheers.
I'm getting
USD 60+10 for me (BB), relocating to Singapore though
I heard the same
60k base 8k sign on unsure of bonus, but from what I hear >30k
The bonus should be 30K+ since 30K represents 50% of the base. Usually the bottom tier for a bonus.
Regardless the first year analyst should crack the 100K mark. Any less and he/she should begin to wonder.
Mine is with TDS
55/5
just got offer- 60 & 10
$10k/$60K (1st year- BB)
BMO Nesbitt Burns is paying the 60K-10k like CIBC.
Scotia Capital is paying 65K-5K like RBC.
National Bank Financial is slightly higher at 65K-10K
TD Securities is lower at 55K and 3-5K sign on.
Genuity Capital Markets is a starting salary of 75-80K
All figures quoted in CDN$ and all for 1st year analyst in IBD in Toronto and that about rounds up all I know from my fellow McGill undergrad class.
Oh and UBS is paying 60K-15K USD to a returning summer analyst in NYC.
seriously - you will pay about 15% more in taxes. If you dont' believe me - look it up on bloomberg - they have income tax levels for different countries. So 15% of your paycheck is a lot!
seriously - you will pay about 15% more in taxes. If you dont' believe me - look it up on bloomberg - they have income tax levels for different countries. So 15% of your paycheck is a lot!
but cost of living is at least 15% cheaper in TO vs. NYC
Not to mention the cleanliness and safety of Toronto which is 100 times better than NYC
NYC is actually the safest large city in America... if you're scared of NYC, that's just pitiful. It is 100% safe unless you're one of those people afraid to walk down the street.
As for cleanliness, whoop-de-freakin-do! If you want to be a mover and a shaker in the industry, you want to be in the Big Apple. Everywhere else is pretty worthless in comparison, at least everywhere else in North America. (San Francisco or Chicago are okay but only for short stretches.)
in nyc you are getting hosed, not only are products more expensive, but you have more taxes to go along with it. It would be interesting to see the dollar/hr pay for most investment banks. you might be getting 70-80k, but if youre working 90 hr weeks...:(
In NYC, you are getting taxed a total 5-10% less than in Ontario. But obviously NYC is more than 5-10% more expensive to live in than in TO and your salary is 20-30% higher if you're earning US$ but at the end of the day...hours...expenses...I don't think you're that much better off in NYC for sure.
Except for the intangibles such as NYC experience and prestige.
Everyone's 60+10.
Toronto is definitely like a lot cheaper than NYC...the only thing that's more expensive is...cars and possibly gasoline. But who needs gasoline if one doesn't have a car, and who needs a car when one works 100hours per week?
Toronto is around 15-25% lower in terms of cost of living when compared to New York which makes the global pay scheme that BB banks have so attractive when working on Bay street rather than Wall street.
60+10 at boa
60-10 was my package too
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How do the bonuses differ for 1st year analysts in 1. FICM 2. ECM 3. IBD 4. Sales and Trading?
Btw, now that I secured myself a fulltime job. 2nd year base is 70k USD in Global Markets Equity? Is this correct?
How is the bonus structure for PWM? Compared to IB?
10/60 USD
How are all of the ppl moving to NYC in 07 finding places to live? I am coming from Texas, and have no idea where to start looking?
Barclay's pays about 60K(base)+10k(bonus)...and that's just the start. You'll make your way up in no time.
and relocation here
"Street" is 60 base + 10 relocation.
Don't know what the averages are for first year analysts for year-end bonus.
Thoughts about y/e? ... for first years.
What should be the range for a bonus for 1st year DCM Analyst in a second tier bank?
ok calm down there marketsbabe
my friend at lehman got 60 + 10 I dont know about 60+10+10.
for 2006, mine was 52+4+6
Let's take a look at how much you take home after bonuses....$85k in New York?....maybe if you're lucky.
yeah ofcourse its the bonus that matters most. the base pay is about 55-75
Barcap in London, 38k + 5k GBP.
basically everyone gets 60 + 10k signing, but if you factor in that first year bonuses are rummored at 100-110k (for top tier) this year, you will be the richest 21 year old you know.
100k bonus?!?!? Whattt I thought the first tier gets up to 100% of your base salary, so like 70k. I did not know you can make 180k all in for first year
60 + 10 (relocation) + 5(summer analyst signing) at Citi
Has anyone heard of a bank offering a sign-on bonus that is deducted from your year-end bonus?
ex: Sign-on = 10k, year-end comes out to be 60k. Thus, the bank pays you 60k - 10k = 50k at the end of the year (or July, rather).
60+10 here
Don't blame me if the numbers aren't correct, but this is what I've heard from my fellow peers working at BB's:
1st year 10K sign on + 60K base + 50-80K bonus 2nd year 70K base + 70-100k bonus 3rd year 80K base + 90-120k bonus
That was mostly right - while there's not much variability between firms at the analyst level, these ranges reflect how it came out for the lower half of the Street. Upper half was around +10 on the bonus.
Someone said richest 21 yr old? How do you get such a job at 21, you must've started college young and got your MBA by 21.
these salaries are for 1st year analysts are out of Bachelors so most of these ballers are 21 or 22.
for kids out of MBA schools, they are called associates and their salary + bonus is a LOT LOT higher(try 95 K salary+ 150K in bonuses)
any of those dick wads saying people will pull in 200k first year are out of their mind.
First year is the hardest anyway, I don't get my bonus until august!
What are the bonuses for AM, S&T, and Research?
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