Lied about my GPA to get a summer analyst position but came to my senses.
Basically how the title says I lied about my GPA.
Not going to be a bitch about it and I know I’ll get hate I don’t care. I made a mistake.
My GPA was 3.5 but got tanked to a 3.2 just before application season. I decided not to update my CV and lied. I have no doubts in my ability to do the job, I literally got 3 yes’s on two super days for two different positions within the firm even being told by HR I was the strongest candidate. ( They got my graduation date wrong so screwed me out of one group but offered me the chance to interview in another)
I was on top of the world. Dude I just fucking aced two different interviews like a boss from a semi target these Ivy Nerds can’t mess with me. Then I got my contract, it says one of the conditions is that they check if everything matches my CV. I accept anyway because who cares if I get caught? Wrong.
The guilt builds up inside me and literally begins to eat me up on the inside. I literally start to have dreams about what would happen if I get caught. So I think out scenarios
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I wing it and I don’t get caught. I get the experience and don’t come back FT.
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I wing it and get caught. I get blacklisted from this bank and anytime I try apply and they get a reference they say the reasoning. Basically making it impossible for me to work in IB.
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I come clean and they let me work anyway, highly doubt lol.
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I come clean and get blacklisted anyway.
These were not ideal to me at all so I came up with the great idea to withdraw lol but I had already signed the contract. I lied about unforeseen circumstances that prevented me coming to fulfill my work. Lucky me they liked me so much that they are willing to shortlist me next year as long as I do a masters.
So I’m going to be another 50k in debt for a post grad course but I do believe I’ll pass the interview. Guess the moral of the story is don’t lie about your GPA. Anyone thinking about it don’t even if you get away with it like me the guilt will eat you alive and imposter syndrome is already bad enough in IB.
I’m left with no experience this summer which sucks but I deserve it. I’m going to bust my ass in college next year so I don’t have to go through this again.
Now off to remove “income summer analyst…” off my LinkedIn lol
Hey bud, everyone makes mistakes. Great self awareness. Good luck next year.
Thanks man
Question for those who know more — what happens if an applicant genuinely just forgot to update their resume? Would they get their offer rescinded if there was a discrepancy, even if say the resume was sent in either before grades were formalized in the system or pretty early on into the semester (didn’t update)?
Not updating a resume would not be a particularly compelling excuse. IB SAs are expected to have some level of attention to detail and not checking your GPA is a pretty fucking big deal. Would be an instant ding or rescind.
If there is a true overlap in terms of application deadline and grade submission deadline (e.g., application due 4/30 and grades due 5/31), it's a grey area. There are several ways that this breaks against the candidate, but there is at least a rationale that it was true at the time (and could be substantiated on background check). If firms ask for a GPA update and candidate lies on that, then instant rescind/blacklist.
This is such an HR answer lmfao. Very few people in the industry actually care about your GPA or SAT score (unless it is abysmally low or stunningly high). If someone crushes the interviews and looks like they are going to be good at the job, finding out you didnt update your resume isnt going to change my mind.
Guilt is for pussies. Own your lies and live up to them.
Tbh if it tanked *right before* applications, you could have just said that your grades weren’t updated into the system until after you submitted.
You clearly have never seen Suits
dont think its very likely they ask transcripts for SA, depends on the bank though.
Do you know which banks ask for transcripts? Like specifically EBs
They will not ask for a transcript. I have had one job ever ask for a transcript. I sent my grad school transcript.
Know a kid at my bank who fudged his GPA for an SA stint. Helped him go from a future in audit to a full time offer in banking. Don’t do audit.
Well you've made your bed, now to weasel out of it
I would call their bluffs on the transcript verification.
Regardless, good luck
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Fake it until you make it with one small caveat. I believe in honesty, but if you come forward and tell me the truth, my team likes you and I’m confident that you can do the job, I don’t care what your GPA looks like. Regardless, self-awareness is a lost quality and I’m glad that you can be introspective about your situation. You’ll be just fine, keep pushing.
pov: your hr and know you can’t check so you make this thread to scare other applicants
HR?
Companies restate their earnings all the time and nobody bats an eye...
I would have reached out to the firm and explained that your listed cumulative included final grades which hadn't been finalized yet and your official cumulative was skewed lower by the time your official grades were declared.
Horrible decision on the OP's part. My first job out of college was at a BB and the HR asked for my resume and didn't even care about grades. Just speaking from my experience, the OP should've just moved forward with it. Not saying you should lie, but honestly, most people don't give a crap about small stuff like 0.3 difference in gpa.
Not point risking it. Dude if anyone knows a way to cheat and games systems it’s me. The contract had a waiver allowing them to contact my university. The third party background check group also has this right that I needed to sign. They would check for any changes between my CV and actual grade. As a VP above said most likely this is a auto ding.
The guilt was annoying I felt like it could be over any second. Can’t work like that.
You’re an idiot. You created problems out of thin air. Realistically if they would have seen your GPA drop you just explain you got bad grades. Boom, done. You went out of you way to screw yourself.
Did you try just telling them that you "made a mistake" and that your GPA was actually x instead of y before withdrawing? Not saying at all btw that this would be a viable option or an easy out by any means but just trying to understand the dynamics of how you approached your withdrawal.
Assuming the worst could've happened, good for you for coming clean and yes it's better to do this than to have the bank find out that you lied as demonstrated by their second chance for next year. Had they found out, you may have been blacklisted and denied any opportunity to get into the industry but now you've cleared the path to hit the reset button and start with a clean slate as if none of this ever took place. I probably wouldn't bank on going back to this firm though despite what they've told you, but you're clearly of the caliber to land offers so focus on recruiting into other places.
Withdrawal to them had nothing to do with my grades. Family issues so mortal illness of a parent something along those lines. They seemed very empathetic so I don’t know. HR especially seemed to be pulling for me but I guess what you say is true also.
i don’t doubt my ability to work at other shops. Even if they’ve lied.
Yeah but even those excuses don't explain what they'd perceive to be a lie. Since you brought up family and stuff they probably wanted to come across as nice and not wanting to rock the boat... but I don't think that you'll be high up on the list for recruiting there if everything you're saying is true.
Don't worry though - you did the right thing and you can recruit again to any other firm.
This honestly sounds weird. No one would ask for your transcript and most banks would be fine by this GPA drop imo. Why tf would you withdraw without even trying?!
Did you read my post? Because I still have a shot next year. Best case v worst case. Best case I try again next year worst case I never work in IB again.
I don’t think this is true. Why tf a bank would take revenge on you for a 0.3 GPA difference?
There are plenty of banks l don’t think HR is going to talk to each of them for 0.3 GPA difference lol.
Also at my uni we have actually 2 different GPAs one calculated for each single course (micro, macro) and another one calculated within entire courses (economy=micro+macro) and because they have different credits the two are different.
You could have explained it like this
This is dumb. Op all you had to do if asked is say your resume was correct, but was outdated with new grades that came in (this is true). Its like .3 different.....
Theres a chance they rescind sure, but also a strong strong chance they don't care(and strong chance they don't even ask....)
Instead you gave yourself a 0% chance by withdrawing (and lying about why you withdrew) and you have a 100% chance of paying 50k for grad school.
Youre stupid
Yes, I lied about my GPA for the majority of my internship interviews.The post have no arguments against the that they are scoring their best success ..
Wall Street is filled with liars. Take the internship, update your resume if you have to (I doubt it will be flagged), and own up to it if it gets flagged. And don’t lie. Learn to spot the lies around you. You will witness a vast number of shameless lies of great significance and of no significance. Keep track of the ones that affect you and steer clear of the worst lying liars — if you can.
If you can't run with a lie, IB might not be for you to begin with. I can't imagine what a CIM would look like if lying wasn't a thing.
Nobody gives a shit about fuck when it comes to your GPA and I feel bad you even put yourself through that mental blender. I hope you have a few beers to commemorate your work of god though.
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Never realised GPA is such a big deal in the US!
In London IBs all they care about is a 2.1 minimum (which equates to 60% or appox. 3.2 GPA). An applicant having a 1st or a distinction hardly makes a difference. I personally know of several candidates who recruited for SA positions with a low 2.2 - with a standard line on CV "expected 2.1". (Well they did have to work their a** off in the final year to meet the 2.1 conditional offer).
3.2 vs 3.5 is not that big a gap tbh and I personally feel you would have been okay with it. Worst instance, it would have been labelled as an oversight and not a blatant lie IMO.
In London, they use third parties like HireRight? How can they get a SA stint with a 2.2 when it would flag on a background check.
Because universities in general do not comment on grades - all they confirm is XYZ is a student at the university on xxx degree program, that's all
Plus several UK unis have a higher weighting towards the final year (c 60%/70% of the whole degree is not uncommon) - so students manage to pull up grades by grinding in the final year.
Also, in recent years some BB banks have even dropped the 2.1 requirement (GS, Barclays come to mind) - so all you need is literally a pass.
This guy didn't hear about the community adjusted EBITDA.
Clearly not an MD material...
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