A girl on tumblr wrote a guide on targetting different types of bankers for money....
I follow the investment banking and economics tag on tumblr for study notes and stumbled upon this post. I thought it I'd post it on here for reference for people of all levels. I can't post links but if you search said tags those on tumblr the post is still up and it led me to a whole community dedicated to targeting different bankers (from analyst to M.D level) for money. I'm very shocked at this.
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The SD Wealth Scale Example: Investment Banking
So I had a good ask about what I mean when I said the wealth scale. The wealth scale is how you can determine how much someone SHOULD be able to AFFORD and where they fit in your hustle.As you know we have two hustles:
a) Sugar Dating
b) Spoiled Girlfriend Dating
Now you meet a sugar daddy who claims he can’t do allowances; and can only take you to nice hotels and dinners and buy you gifts . hmmmmm.
My key focus has always been bankers, traders, venture capitalists, hedge fund managers and all things finance so let review the payscale that someone successful in a front office revenue generating division at an investment bank or hedge fund SHOULD earn. I’m more shit with medical but finance is me. Fucking bankers is my ‘thing’, you know.Level 1 - Analyst : When a person first graduates from their Ivy league and walks into Goldman Sachs they are called analysts;. Whether they are mergers and acquisitions analysts, equity capital market analysts, sales and trading anaysts they are analysts.
Salary: At firms such as Goldman Sachs Analysts at age 22 fresh out of college earn about $60,000/£40,000 BASE. Bonuses vary but usually $40,000ish (my friends got that). Let that sink in.. There are 22-26 year olds on Wall Street making $60,000-$100,000 a year. Let that sink in because it will let you realise that requiring a lot from a man in his 40′s is nothing. There are 24 year olds on Wall Street earning 6 figures okay ?!
These men will eventually become V.P&’s and M.D's if your goal is to live in Chappaqua and have a Hampton home and be a house wife TARGET THESE MEN. DATE THEM SERIOUSLY AND AIM TO BECOME A WIFE. You have no reason to even sugar if this is your goal. FOCUS ON MEETING THESE MEN YOUNG. These men will get you nice presents and gifts, dinners etc but no cash.
Level 2: Associates & V.Ps: This is the stage after business school. Most men in IB will work for a few years, go to business school them come back and work as associates and eventually V.P’s. Most of these men are between 27-37.
These men earn a good 6 figure income, the best of them are usually married at this point to their hunnie they met at business school or whatever. But many are still single.
These men are only 27-37 which means you can find a 32 year old to give you a pampered girlfriend lifestyle. I always say if my goal was hotels and dinner I could find a banker in his 30′s; and THESE are the men I am talking about. I meet so many.
If you aren’t focused on the cash side of things but more want to be SPOILED. THESE. ARE. YOUR. MEN. They are young, hot and RICH. They’ll show you the luxury life, treat you well but they are usually at the stage where they don’t give big allowances. If you are single you also have the chance of MARRYING one. These men are the GOAT. THE top. The best. Because unlike daddies the chances of it leading to marriage (i.e more $$$$ is far higher). They are more attractive also…
The downside is these men are usually not online so you will meet them via freestyling or via a matchmaker. Many men at this stage want to settle down so often seek help of high end matchmakers….
If you want more info on matchmakers…tell Me. I could write a post…
Level 3: MD.s & Partners: If you meet a man who claims to or as an investment banker , is in his 40’s and says he earns $150,000 RUN. RUN. RUN.
Any investment banker worth his weight earns between $3000,000-$500.000 atleast a year by his 40’s! This is where you can catch out A LOT of these frauds.
Being named partner at a top firm means a $900000 salary, before bonuses. LET THAT SINK IN.
I am a lot more strict with men in their 40’s and 50’s because I KNOW that by 40 a man who claims to be a sugar daddy/successful SHOULD be earning a certain amount. NO if’s not buts. If they are not successful then they have no place trying to be sugar daddies.
These men have the most disposable income so aim for as much as you can get but just always remind yourself that you could date a 30 year old for treats and & nice hotels. These men if they can be bothered CAN afford to fund your tuition (the whole reason SA was created!), your plastic surgery and rent. Be TOUGH on these men.
While you can be soft with the younger ones BE TOUGHER with these men because unless they are FRAUDS. THEY. HAVE. MONEY. And unless you have a genuine silver fox fetish and really just like the guy try and get as much you can from these older men.
If you meet a man who earns $500,000 a year expects you as a 22 year old college student to fuck him for free and prove yourself to him all for dinner and a few hotels trips and drops the ‘not an ATM’ line remind yourself that you can date someone YOUNGER IN HIS TEAM if all you want is some shoes, mmkay ?!
They are grown enough to act accordingly.
I personally do not have a silver fox fetish, my favorite men are men in their 20′s and 30′s. So if I am having sex with a 50 year old banker he MUST give me something a 30 year old banker can’t give me.
This should be a legit hustle.
If your goal is never to work a day in your life, get married and pampered but not get cash aim for analysts and associates. If your aim to to save for that business, school, get ya rent pain blah blah partners and M’Ds and don’t let them even try and play the analyst role. They can afford otherwise.
Warmest,
Thotianna
Stay awake WO'ers. This seems to have become a 'thing'
Mod Note (Andy): I believe this is the original link: http://thotianaxoxo.tumblr.com/post/120646835778/the-sd-wealth-scale-ex…
You all about her, and she all about hers~ Lil Wayne
It's all about the $$$.
I am almost positive this post was made by somebody in IB (or likely somebody in college) pretending to be a girl. This "girl" is way, way too specific on different groups, levels, salaries, culture, etc. - Girls (especially gold diggers) don't listen to any of these details even if you do discuss all of these things with them (Pro Tip: Bad Idea). If you ask girls that are dating bankers what their boyfriend does, the response would probably range from "ummm, some finance stuff" to "hes a banker" with nowhere near this level of knowledge anywhere in between.
They're an army of professional gold diggers and the response you just gave is probably their goal and how they're able to get away with tricking bankers into they're a lot more intelligent than people expect. This is specifically why I posted this as the 'bimbo' dumb gold digger stereotype I once thought has now advanced. The gold diggers to look out for are the smart ones now. The dumb ones are actually harmless compared to these girls. If you google 'tumblr sugar baby' they are a whole community dedicated to how to pretend they are genuine to target men of all levels (particularly banking). for different purposes.
As I'm a woman I don't think 'male gold diggers' exist to this degree.
This is so disgusting. I understand if you are successful or are working towards your goal and want a man on your level but trading sexuality for sheer money and nothing else to me just isn't virtuous.
I don't know how smart men fall for this when there are so many smart women out there. You can tell as these girls will be willing to offer or pay for your expenses and dates or her share of expenses. Relationships are not a take-take-take or give-give-give but a mixture of it
I don't see anything redeemable about marrying a rich man. I see something redeemable about these girls becoming or ascertaining to work hard and be rich women themselves through their own effort but seriously dating is a hobby. Dating is supposed to be fun and enjoyable to learn about the other person.
It is not meant to be a "hustle".
What I call hard work is presentation-making, opening and deal closing, vociferating market terms and what will be in store through analyzing concepts. Getting yelled at, and constantly reading for leads which pretty much generally summarizes every professional on wall street. The true hustle.
Exactly what I was going to say. This line alone has a lot of terms that I would never expect a finance gf to know: "front office revenue generating division at an investment bank or hedge fund SHOULD earn"
I basically stopped reading there. I know finance majors at my undergrad that do not understand these terms (yes I realize how bad that makes my UG). No way a gold digger, no matter how good, picks up this knowledge in passing. Even if she did, theres no way she would phrase it this way - reads exactly like a "How do I break in from a Non-Target" thread on WSO, would be shocked if it wasn't the same demographic behind both.
Bloomberg wrote an article on them if you want more information. Google 'bloomberg sugar babies'. Yes, although it might seem outlandish golddiggers are now online, women are smart, and yes they write detailed guides for themselves on various social media sites. Knowing the in's and out's of an industry isn't hard for 'girls' by the way (tad sexist). My boyfriend is a law student and I have in-depth knowledge of things legal because I have a boyfriend I live with tells me about his life and picks up on things. Unless you are in a relationship where your girlfriend stays in the kitchen all day chances are you will discuss your work with her so a woman isn't a dumb plank who can't know information about an industry she isn't in. If I were to date a banker this information could be picked up easily if he liked to engage in that sort of 'pillow talk'.
I found your comments very sexist js909. You seem more concerned that a 'woman isn't capable of writing that' than the content and topic of the thread itself. Shocking.
Pros exists in any field
I know of girls who ask which groups guys at specific banks are in, and won't date the guys if they aren't in top groups. This could be a troll, but this stuff happens in real life all the time.
How does this make any sense? That's like if I knew a dime piece who could suck a golf ball through a hose but chose the 6/10 at GS TMT instead.
Do the girls not care about looks/sex? Lets be serious here, girls aren't out stalking premature ejaculators at "top groups" over other good looking guys with game
.
I disagree. Many of these escorts are smart enough to do their market research and know their stuff. After all, its their career. I wouldn't be surprised if even some have even read WSO.
agree
I think you underestimate gold diggers. Anyone who makes money in "sales" or similar activities such as gold digging learns the ins and outs of the target industry.
Also keep in mind that high grade gold diggers are VERY good at what they do. Particularly in places like LA or NYC a lot of them will be capable of estimating how much your outfit costs in the blink of an eye. Believe me when I say they know how much different suits, watches and shoes go for in stores and they've figured out how much income you have to be earning to afford your outfit before they even talk to you. If you aren't above their preferred threshold then you probably won't even notice them evaluating you.
Folks: Like I've said before don't expect money or "prestige" to make you successful with women. You either grow some balls and grow your game or you're going to find a gold digger sucking your wallet dry.
I was a tad bit skeptical of this post but that went away when you put that in the "sales" perspective. They really do pull out all the stops to win a deal. Good point! I suppose there really are very sophisticated gold diggers out there..
Has anyone found a girlfriend that would listen to these kinds of things?
@very.chipper: Are you serious? Knowing basic terms like "front office revenue-generating division" isn't rocket science. Any layperson would know of such simple concepts after reading more than 2 finance-related articles in their lifetimes.
Also, just thought I should add that it comes across as pretty insulting to suggest a blanket sentiment such as "girls are incapable of such 'complex' concepts and jargon". You are aware that there are many women working in finance, right? This isn't 1930.
WSO virgins discussing girls? I'm gonna start the popcorn.
Please do!
Check your privilege, that's an empowered, courageous woman.
Never mind, she "dates" UBS guys...
Waiting for the comment "Dude I don't know where this girl gets her estimates but they're WAY TO LOW, let me tell you what true comp was last year in the BB..."
holla we want prenup; WE WANT PRENUP! Yea -Mr. Kanye West
I don't even know what equity capital markets is
The blog in question also has selfies (neck down) of the girl in question so can we stop the 'that can't be a woman' sexist B.S. Women are capable of being intelligent, multifaceted and have a wealth of information. Mind you.
face palm it's a viral post face palm it has hundreds of notes (like comments/replies/retweets) on tumblr as it has gone viral and has sparked alot of comments under the 'IB' tag on tumblr, you know, the way people share things they find on twitter/tumblr/facebook that go viral on Reddit, not because they wrote it but because it has gained attention ? 0_o Does it make sense to you why I would share an ib viral post from tumblr on a website which is meant to be full of people who are in ib ?
We have our own student iB community on tumblr too and the comments have been a mix of guys saying their experiences and girls replying so I posted it here to get the WSO view. I am now allowed to post on here and will be posting interesting articles and things relating to student IB life and because I post something which has thousands or hundreds of comments in the IB twitter/tumblr/reddit/instagram or facebook doesn't mean I wrote it myself 0_o I'm just sharing it. Does this make sense to you ?
reallyraw
interesting... I have absolutely no idea what tumblr is.. can't I go on without an account? Also, not sure if this has come up but is this all she does? If so, doesn't seem to be a big problem - just go for gainfully productive/employed people..
Damn it, I was half hoping it was some Tumblr chick who reposted that awesome bankerella thread...
You think with this kind of analysis and insight she could have a career of her own.
Where did you get that idea? She clearly has a career - f**king for money - literally. It is probably an older career than banking. By the look of things, she only deals with AAA rated clients - as any sensible business person would :)
Hah, touché
I, for one, appreciate her hustle. She is doing her research, profiling her targets, and executing a plan.
Numbers are way too low. Also:
where can i find myself a sugar momma
If you have to ask...
Guys fall for this shit, all the time. If they simply said no this house of cards would collapse quick, fast and in a hurry. Like seriously, if you are going to be an ATM to a woman why not just get high end hookers? At lease you won't have to listen to their inane conversations or deal with their equally retarded 22 year old friends.
But props to the flake that wrote the article. If you're a 40 year old guy creeping on 22 year olds and you think the game is about true love you're an idiot.
Too bad guys don't ask out the smart girls often though. Like I said in another thread, stop going for basic B*tches and go for the lawyer types/Amal Clooney. Date a girl that has and is use to money. We won't have this problem.
I actually agree with you. Unfortunately the girls who fit this critieria and are also attractive, fun, and single are few and far between
There are mercenary women and there are mercenary men.
I don't think is particularly shocking to anyone who hasn't had their head buried in the sand.
For an example of mercenary men, check out the various threads on this site where wannabe bankers ask which teams in banks pay the highest, have the most prestige etc.
Sounds like these bishes are putting their own poosies on pedestals...just lol, too hilarious
But yea, props to them for their initiative. Only a dude that is a complete idiot for fall for this kind of stuff. Do a lot of bros not realize the sheer number of girls out there? What with dating apps, bars, clubs, etc etc. And new ones coming onto the scene every. single. day.
Nah, I don't buy it.
i honestly don't see a problem with this for bankers, so as long as they don't plan on getting into a serious relationship anytime soon. hit it nd quit it b4 very much $ is involved
a female tumblr speaking about those satanic wall street bankers? TRIGGERED
SA = Seeking Arrangements? So both parties know what they're signing up for? Like older dudes who pay young chicks to hang out with them/bang them?
I see nothing wrong with her objectification/gold digger analysis. Its a transaction. The dudes know these chicks are only hanging out with them because they're showering them with money/gifts. The chicks know that the dudes (with any common sense) are never going to respect them enough to make it serious. The ideal scenario for the dude would be if he could transition into banging this girl for free. And the ideal situation for the chick is if she could get secure this lifestyle without being a prostitute (that's what these chicks are after all).
If you're a dude using these web sites and end up marrying one of these chicks, you deserve everything you get. You might as well marry a stripper/hooker. Hookers/strippers generally come from lower socio-economic demographics, I imagine that the Seeking Arrangement chick is what your run of the mill stripper/hooker would be doing if she grew up in the suburbs.
tothiana as a unit of labor seem very informed
it'd be pretty funny if there was a site similar to WSO where girls write stuff like: "How I went from 10 rejections to one dream sugar daddy", "Acing the first date with an Investment Banker", "Life after sugar dating - the suburban roads", and "15 things I wish I knew in my first sugar relationship"
This is fantastic
I enjoyed reading this article, haha. I honestly do believe this is an actual occurrence. As many previous posters have stated, women aren't oblivious. Although, many may act like it, the information written above isn't exactly confidential. If a woman were to browse WSO and do some google searches I am sure she could approximate different career demographics and their respective salaries.
Do you people really think that women are incapable of knowing what "front office BB" means? Anyone who spends anytime with an investment banker, especially one that works for a BB, will know what that term means (they make sure you know how prestigious their job is).
I mean, you really have to be an idiot to think that only investment bankers can understand this term. This is probably why these parasites latch onto you fools. Wake up.
Anyone else find it excrutiating trying to read through this? The least she could do is know how to write in a educated manner if she did this she may be able to increase her odds of finding that "Suga Daddy" that she so desires. All I am saying is I find it attractive when woman can read and write.
Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
this was a little TOO obvious. lol
but... in the end...
FDB
She's probably a feminist too. To those of you with, uh, less experience, all I can say is, don't let yourself be a slave to this type of useless human being...I can already see the summer analyst's threads now: "Guise, I met this super hot girl at the bar one night, I bought her a bunch of really expensive drinks, but she won't even let me fuck, what did I do wrong? Should I buy her a new iPhone as well?"
Seems a lot of people are convinced this isn't real...I can tell you that these people absolutely exist. Stay far the fuck away from them.
You must have missed a vikram something's post about having bought a girl a MacBook and seeking relationship advice...we are way past an iPhone on this site already
facepalm
Actually this is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that...I still can't believe that shit was real. Still laugh my ass off when I think of that thread, one of the most epic shitshow threads on this site.
I hate to say this, because it makes one sound like such a Cretan...but some people really need to learn how to man up and handle themselves around women.
Yeah, I dont buy it.
To all the people saying that bankers partners/gfs arent as oblivious as we think, maybe so, but definitely not to the extent to produce something as specific as this. This thotianna is clearly an exception who's crazy knowledgeable, but I highly doubt the vast majority of gold diggers know even half as much specific information as in thotianna's post.
Echo what some of the guy's above have said. If you ask the average banker's gf what he does for a living, the best answer you would probably get is "stocks and bonds". Assuming he hasnt told them how much he makes, I think most bankers gfs/partners just know they make a lot of money and could probably give a rough ballpark figures on salaries, but not to this level of specificity.
Y'all act like you can't google "investment banking salaries" and get the info. And kudos to this site, because it will usually pop up within the first 2 or 3 sites returned.
Older dude at work told me once, "man look, you'll pay for some pussy, dude." I'm like, man you crazy. I don't ever see myself tricking off my money like that for some ass. But some older dudes, who either know their wife only married them for their money, only married their wife because she was fine back in the day, or simply don't give a shit, ain't got no problem dropping money to get some new, new. Plus as Lil Wayne said it ain't tricking if you got it. Lol.
Neither party is confused about the situation.
Her logic is pretty bad.
Pricing is determined by supply and demand, not ability to pay.
Typical chicken head rather bob head than work
Parents must be proud
Great stories for future generations as well
Unless that name is not real, I'm not surprised she's Russian.
and this is actually my first post in the forum, geez lol
Why do I fear there is an online community somewhere, where girls like ask questions like: 'Exit ops after top M&A associate sugar daddy?' or 'is his GPA and GMAT good enough for HWS?'
The name THOTiana says its all.
Listen to a fella called Chief Keef and you will know what i am talking about
Saint Sosa spreading wisdom
Yeah this is a real thing:
I was on a date my first year out of school and I was asked what my title was at the time. Threw me for a loop. However, not the brightest considering she knew I had just graduated and what company I worked for; could have avoided creating tension by being patient and doing some research after the date.
She is now married to a finance guy.
RIP
Hoes gon' be hoes.
On my uni's facebook page there was something similar to this with girls trying to pick up future doctors from our med science faculty. Looks like they're catching on with future IB'ers.
Augh. Why would anyone want to date a doctor? They're horrendously in debt, aren't as rich as they make it out to be, and are cranky from working with difficult patients all day.
So are bankers. The only difference is that they deal with impossible clients instead of patients.
lol ...just lol
Enjoyable thread. To anyone who thinks OP is fake and gold-digging women are not that smart...Uhmm clearly you have never seeked out these type of women or hanged out with them. A thread a while back myself and wallstreetplayboys started to discuss these types of women. They are smart and workoholics. You may laugh when I say workoholics, but trust me as much as a finance guy always wants a bigger bonus or more success, these ladies always want the next thing in life they cannot get.
Anyways, for those who know how the game is played it goes both ways. The expectations on these women in and out of the bedroom are high, so they should be doing their due dili as should you. Trust me these ladies sponge up details, always keep the conversation at the surface.
Pretty sure she's for real and wants to go to a target school as her exit... http://thotianaxoxo.tumblr.com/post/120903728968/vanilla-career-finally…
Disgusted by that list of schools. Never even heard of "Columbia". Really only familiar with Harvard and Oxford.
this is idiotic, who would list all the top schools in the world and say that is "their list" lol
She didn't, she left out Berkeley.
this isn't just a gold digger... this is a RUSSIAN gold digger, so watch out, they are smart, hungry and do their homework
Fuck someone once said I looked like an escort. ..seems I have chosen the wrong profession and lost tons of $$$
I love how you tag this post 'gold diggers'
Hahaha always did think that golddiggers were a lot smarter than people thought. I'm sure some trophy wives are dime-piece bricks, but have you noticed how many banker wives are average-looking? They probably have Ivy credentials and extensive finance knowledge ... but they were too smart to work that many hours themselves.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this post and scrolling through the comments....lol...bunch of close minded cavemen!! I have a degree in finance yet I never worked a day in the field because I was blessed with a sugar daddy right out of university. Pay was better, hours were better and lifestyle was better. Maybe if you stop picturing some down on her luck hoodrat standing on the street corner trying to earn her next hit, the reality of this girl would be easier to accept!!
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