Tier 3 Cities are Paradise
You wake up in your single bedroom apartment ($1500 rent including utilities), walk into your closet (mostly Peter Millar shirts, Lulu pants, and Allbirds shoes) and put your watch (a Fossil, you don’t make enough for a Rolex). It’s Friday, just got to get through the workday until freedom for maybe 18 hours until your MD needs something ASAP.
Looking at yourself in the mirror, you say to yourself your daily affirmations:
- “I never wanted to be in New York. Think of the taxes! All in my comp is probably better than most of my friends that got analyst seats in the so-called “Tier 1 City”
- “I actually create more value for founder-owned companies at my boutique middle-market investment bank (think Stephens/Citizens/Stifel tier) than those bulge-bracket c-suite dick suckers”
- “When it comes to recruiting, PE firms will definitely recognize the fact that I wear multiple hats (you don’t just create boilerplate CIMs, you also get to print and bind them!)”
You get on your way to work (driving of course, the public transit in your city is laughable) while listening to music that you partied to when you were in college (think Villanova/Davidson/Georgia Tech), and finally get to your 10-story office. You get to your desk and start working on the CIM for the ~$3mm EBITDA manufacturer of some godforsaken industrial “mission-critical” part for the who the fuck cares industry (all of these businesses are the exact same). Is there any thinking involved? Absolutely not, it’s the same exact sell-side process your firm has done 1,000 times to a LMM PE firm with partners that went to state schools and didn’t know what a leveraged buyout was until they were 40 (you, on the other hand, were part of your school’s IB club and were cranking LBOs your sophomore summer – didn’t end up mattering come recruiting time anyways).
You get a ping from a recruiter at Selby Jennings. You’ve read on WSO that they are to be avoided, but after messaging all of the legacy headhunters and getting ghosted you decide that they’re probably elitist just like all the other people in New York. Looking over the email from the recruiter that posts something on LinkedIn every 20 minutes, you see that the role is for a LMM firm in Detroit paying 100k base. “Well”, you think, “I heard Detroit is making a comeback these days, and the carry will eventually be worth it” (there are 4 partners over 60 that won’t retire for 20 years, much less give you any carry).
You finish up your work, and it’s time to go out. You start to text some of your friends that you’ve made in the city, but most of them are hanging out with their girlfriends (you obviously don’t have one), so you decide to go out with the other analysts in your class. As you start brainstorming your plans for the night, you come to the horrifying realization that the most exciting option for the night is an outdoor brewery in a renovated, gentrified warehouse (suuuuperrr original). You pound a few beers, flip between the weather and calculator apps on your phone, and then book an Uber and head home.
As you lay in your bed, you think to yourself - “Was I only thinking about how insecure I am the whole day today? Maybe I should really consider not putting all of my self-worth in my career, but rather take my mom’s advice and take a look at the bigger picture?”
You stop and think to yourself, drifting to sleep…
“HA! That sounds like something a Big 4 accountant would say. At least I’m not one of them”.
LMFAO know someone exactly like this living in Houston
we all do lmao
Sounds like CLT/ATL/TPA in a nut shell. Especially the NYC and Peter Millar
ATL on top
Del
I prefer giving society a backdoor to f*** with me. Is my coffee ready yet?
ATL, HOU, CLT are not Tier 3 cities wtf..? A Tier 3 city would be KC, MIN, Charleston, BAL.. and even then there are plenty of fun things to do in each. Biggest downside is the need to move cities if you want to lateral. Nobody cares what city you bank in. Banking is banking and you hardly have time for a decent social life no matter where you live
ATL and CLT are 2 but Houston is 1.
Don't you go to Emory and want to be in ATL lmao
There is no reality where Houston is T1. It’s tier 2 AT BEST, same w Atlanta. Chicago is t1.
Also you don’t have to keep roasting NYC in all your comments. You sound insecure. Why does everyone who lives in a non-tier 1 city have to overcompensate so much
BAL...timore? Is a tier 7 shithole dude. The crime of Chiraq (O Block) mixed with the economic hope of Detroit.
Not even close to Charleston.
Charlotte is a tier 3 city, along with Nashville etc.
This is a masterpiece. A work of art. Bravo. Brava.
Atlanta isn't tier 3, I have a feeling you're saying this because you're white and it's a black city. Atlanta is 9th for GDP in the nation and 15th globally.
Atl = tier 2? Is clt tier 2 or 3?
Milwaukee Baird analysts and Minneapolis Piper analysts have entered the chat
Don't forget the Raymond James Tampa bankers
Ngl I only skimmed this, but very well done. - ex Philly banker
Philly isn't that bad though if you're making good money. The nightlife there is underrated IMO and way cheaper than some of the cities close by (DC / NYC).
Having lived in Philly, I would say it's top of the Tier 3 list or bottom of the Tier 2. Always had a soft spot for that city. Used to live in another Southern city mentioned in this thread and wasn't a fan.
I’m in this photo and I don’t like it
So what are the city tiers again? Am very happy in my tier 3? city.
it gets messy when you talk about tier 2. this website distorts things for finance jobs but the general tier ranking is about city culture / amenities / infrastructure
Tier 1 is NY / LA. SF is basically third world and hard to rank rn due to crime and infrastructure issues (talking about the city - not Palo Alto or the burbs) --- there was a point in time when SF was tier 1.
Tier 2 is typically large cities with sizeable airports + culture (there's a wide spread)
Tier 3 is the next swath of large cities. people typically don't name them bc they get butthurt their small city with a 5-gate airport isn't included here.
Nashville that high? Interesting take.
Yeah, I think this site has a hard time ranking tier 2 "Finance" cities and tier 2 normal cities
Salt Lake for example is a great city with access to the outdoors and world class skiing. For finance, its a tough city to find banking and PE jobs in.
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What do you think about Charlotte?
Philly is absolutely a tier two city when not skewing for finance jobs.
No they absolutely do not and if they do, they are just flat wrong. Philly is probably the most underrated city in the country, but it isnt near that. I have spent time in both and it isnt even a comparison. Philly is the 6th largest city in the country, birthplace of the country, one of the best food cities in the country, large airport, 4 major sports teams, etc. In regards to the job market, The Globalization and World Cities Research Network (GaWC) which is a think tank that ranks cities based on their connectivity through four "advanced producer services": accountancy, advertising, banking/finance, and law, had Philadelphia as the 13th ranked US city (only NY, LA, Chicago, SF, Boston, DC, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Denver, and Seattle ahead). Depending on how you cut your list between tier 2 and 3, Philly is undoubtedly low tier 2, high tier 3. They are a top 10 relevant city when taking everything into account.
Don’t forget the great city of Cleveland, the oil capital of the world in 1898, largest Tier 3 banking presense next to CLT (Key/Citizens/Fifth Third/BLG)
Replace Peter Millar shirts with masters golf shirts and you literally have 99% of the finance bros in Atlanta. I have never experienced more coping from people down here about why they are staying in Atlanta and didn't go to NYC/LA.
You’re on the money. What’s sad is Sage Valley is where the real playas play. Another note, rent in Atlanta is posting up $2,000+ numbers and mediocre restaurants asking for $25+ pp. Might be a tier 3 city but the col ain’t.
LOL THIS. And taxes. Georgia is like 200 bips less state taxes than California. I hear all these bros in ATL talk about taxes yet they pay just as much as someone living in LA.
As someone living like this right now holy hell is it accurate
Fuck 1500 bucks for rent, T3 is paradise
Where are you living where rent is $1,500??? Thats cheap anywhere for a 1 bedroom.
In a tier 3 city, thats an "decent" apartment but could be much better
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