What has been your total compensation progression in your career?

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Does finance have a similar TC progression (80k to 575k). To me, this seems very fast compared to IB.

Definitely faster than CorpFin roles, as I've googled.Assuming one has similar career trajectory as described in the picture.

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I don’t see a picture - what is the role / industry you are referring to in the post?

I’m in corporate finance and went from low 50’s to low 70’s to low 6 figures (6 figure base, also am getting bonus). This was 3 different jobs in 3 years.

If I can snag equity within the next 3 years and the company IPO’s then I could come out pretty well. Promotional track is fast so hoping I can get annual promotes.

I have not worked in banking, but a career could be 2 years as an analyst ($140k, $160k), 3 associate ($275k, $325k, $400k), then 3 years VP ($450k, $500k, $550k). The numbers can vary depending on where you are at - I know my friends at banks last year got paid more than usual, and you can see this on WSO as well.

 

If you read it properly they’re talking about IB comp progression. 

 
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I started in PE post GFC and now work as a PM at a HF. Comp trajectory:

Y1: 150k

Y2: 200k

Y3: 280k

Y4: 300k

Y5: 350k

Y6: 420k

Y7: 550k

Y8: 1.65M

Y9: 1.07M

Y10: 2.67M

Y11: 4M

Y12: 3.6M

 

While it seems unlikely (when compared to the average path) it is in line with a good/steep trajectory in the PE/HF world (the latter part of the comp). I have seen (and experienced) large increases similar to above in the HF space. If you can get to some of the senior levels (or if you can be directly tied to PnL) there is serious competition and comp pressures (and if you are tied to PnL you can have very big years). My comp was very slow moving early on (different industry to start, then a junior person at a fund) and when I started really outperforming my peers it jumped very quickly, so my years 5-10 in my career were completely different (rate of change) than years 1-5, where it is usually the opposite (fast percent increases early on and then flatten out)  

Again, if you look at this relative to what average is, then it looks out of line. No idea whether this person is full of it, but you are going to get selection bias on these threads. 

 

Amazing.

Size of firms? Comp sounds like you have worked at large firms. If true, props for lasting that long. The few people I know who were at UMM/MF, I can only think of one person who lasted beyond 10+ years. Most leave these type of firms due to burnout or they are counseled out/limited room at the top due to office politics etc.

 
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Can you give a breakdown of your job / industry / education over that time period?

 

Hours have gotten slightly better but control over my hours and being able to plan my days out have become significantly better

Decided to stay in banking because I enjoyed my team, overall liked how the first couple years had gone and did not view finance as something I wanted to do forever. So figured I’d make as much as possible over the next ~5 years then leave, and banking is what would let me do that. I did talk to a number of analysts that I had started with (i.e. 2nd and 3rd years when I was a 1st year) who went to the buy-side, and I felt banking was a better pathway for my current interests and goals

 

Figured I'd throw mine in as well:

A1: ~$165k: $85k base (moved to $90K in January which explains the odd bonus amount) + $57k bonus + $15k signing bonus

A2: $232k: $100k base + $92k bonus + $20k one-time COVID retention bonus + $20k Associate promote incentive bonus

Assoc1: $325k: $150k base (moved to $175K in January) + $160K bonus

Assoc2: $310k: $200k base + $110K bonus

Assoc3: $315k: $225k base + $90K bonus (leaving for a buy-side role so sort of is what it is)

PE Sr. Assoc1: $370k: $170k base + $200K bonus 

 

He became lead engineer at one of the best firms after 6 years. It is definitely not typical for tech. Also worth noting that Y1 was in Utah while the rest of his roles were in Cali so I would not use $80k as the starting figure.

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Could you talk abit more about why you decided to transition to a SWF post MF PE? And how have you found the investing experience so far vs MF PE?

Sure. I decided to move out of MF PE as I had no interest in pursuing an MBA in the US or Europe, which was a requirement to progress my career to the VP level at the PE fund. Most others MF PEs with offices in my country asked for that but the SWF I work for did not have that requirement. I also considered some MM and LMM PE funds but the offers could not compare to the SWF in terms of deal flow, capital to invest, brand name and compensation. I was motivated to join as part of a new division growing rapidly in my region and globally inside the fund. AuM in the division and in my regional team grew by 3x and 5x respectively since I joined, while maintaining very healthy IRRs.

The direct investing process now is very similar to what I did before at the MF, although I am in a very different sector. Nevetheless, the internal approval process is quite different and the organization itself moves more slowly. I have been enjoying it though, people are much more friendly, hours are super reasonable unless when in a live deal, but even then rarely work more than 70h/weeks and can't complain on compensation. No carry though, which stinks, but you can't have everything in life.

 

Year 1: 60,000

Year 2: 62,750

Year 3: 63,037 (pissed off, started job hunting)

Year 4: 100,000 + bonus (new job in boutique IB)

Should have gone to IB at the start. I was scared of the lack of work life balance so I decided to choose working at a Big 4. Behold, I still had to work long hours and I wasted 3 years of comp opportunity cost that could have saved me up a house deposit.

 
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Career IB out of undergrad

AN1: 70 + 50 = 120k (+10 signing)

AN2: 80 + 65 = 145k

AN3: 90 + 90 = 180k

AS0: 50 + 50 = 100k for 6 months (+40 retention)

AS1: 140 + 185 = 325k

AS2: 150 + 150 = 300k

VP1: 170 + 205 = 375k

VP2: 175 + 300 = 475k

VP3: 200 + 325 = 525k

D1: 225 + 725k = 950k

D2: 275 + 1,225k = 1.5m

MD1: 350 salary

Congrats on making MD. Guessing boutique or independent based on base salaries?

 

Would you say your VP comp was standard at that time? Maybe it's after this last year and all the base bumps but $400-$500k seems a little light to me for VP. I have no idea what I'm talking about though.

 

FWIW The Blind post (which is really a LinkedIn post) seems legit.

Y0: $83k (Realtor in college)

Y1: $62k (Project Engineer at a construction firm)

Y2: $45k (switched careers to tech as a SWE, was unemployed for 8 months. $135k base salary for 4 months)

Y3:  $160k total comp (same job as Y2, but got promoted twice within a year)

Y4: $210k total comp, this is my current role. Been here 6 months so far. Hoping to gun for my next promo + starting my own healthcare SaaS

“The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly salary.” - Nassim Taleb
 

Y1: $35k

Y2: $50k

Y3: $75k ($5k YE bonus)

Y4: $85k ($10k YE bonus)

Y5: $160k ($50k YE bonus)

Started as an analyst at a small bank, joined corp banking group at a top 10 bank in Y3, moved internally to corp advisory end of Y4. Love the group and the hours. Hoping to see TC increase over next few years with promotion to Director/VP. Guessing TC will be in the $225-325k range in 2-3yrs.

 

This one is tricky. I think talking about comp is overall a good thing to raise awareness and educate ourselves. Having said that, please take the numbers on this forum with a grain of salt. Comparison is the thief of joy and you've got a self-selected bias among high-performing finance folks on this forum.

Year 1: $70k

Year 2: $77k

Year 3: $90k

1st Half of Year 4: $120k pro-rated down to $60k

2nd Half of Year 4 (Mid-Year Promo): $155k base + ~$50k bonus

Years 1 through 3.5 are all TC as the bonus was nothing special. That's recently changed so broke it out for this year's expectations.

 

Here I come to bring the sadness of F500 progression!

Y4 post-UG, Consulting (internal strategy): $85k 

Y4-6 - MBA

Y6 - Post-MBA at F500 CPG: $104k 

I'm honestly too lazy to go back and look at the intervening years, but I'm currently Y13 and at ~$220k.  Within my industry/field I could have maximized comp by hopping a couple of times but I've optimized for other things (location, culture, people, etc).  

 

Are you talking net earnings i.e. net worth or gross earnings as if latter then yes but former then no.

 

I'd say if you start in IB out of college and progress in a linear fashion in IB / PE / HF, then 30 is about the age when you can clear the $1M in annual comp as well as in accumulated net worth.

 

Really good comp for those hours. Some would say you're doing better than everyone else putting in 2x the hours for 2x the comp

 

It is a forum / app where people post about companies, comp, interview process, culture, ask for referrals, etc.

I think the goal was to provide data points for non SWE / Engineering roles (akin to how Levels.FYI is the holy grail in tech comp benchmarking) but it has turned into 85% tech discussion like Levels.fyi (with some edge cases like you see in this post) and 15% Corp fin / accounting / strategy / etc.

Almost zero representation from IBD / HF / PE

 

For the folks that broke $1 million mark - any detail you can share, whether something unique that you did or circumstances, that helped you make so much besides a promo or a good year in the markets? 

 

Saw this post and wanted to provide a different perspective from someone in corporate development / finance. Won't get the insane comp of PE/HF/Banking but good lifestyle and decent comp.

Started in banking, did a year of PE and gave up on the hours and been in corporate most of my career. I started in bulge banking during 08 and went to b school after five years.

Year 1 (08): $110K ($10K sign-on, $60K base; $40K bonus mid-tier bucket)

Year 2: $150 ($80K base; $70K bonus top-tier bucket)

Year 3: PE: $190k ($90K base; $100K bonus)

Year 4: Corp Dev: $100K ($90K base; $10K bonus; 40 hour week though)

Year 5: Corp Dev: $105K ($95K base; $10K bonus)

Year 6 (after 2 years of b school): $200K (Small family office investment vehicle with a former boss from PE firm)

Year 7: $200k (same family office)

Year 8: $240K ($200K base; $40K bonus); corp dev/ finance role as family office went through a divorce so shut down private investment arm so went to corp dev/finance hybrid role in tech

Year 9: $240k (Same corp dev/finance role)

Year 10: $300K (same corp dev role/ corp fin role but got a raise)

Year 11: $340K (same corp dev role / corp fin but got another raise)

Year 12: $640K ( due to a liquidity event mostly as still $340k)

Future: $340K but hoping for a liquidity (IPO or a full aqc) . From experience most roles for me are Director, SR. Director level are within $250k to $325K cash and stock upside (lots of variability within cash comp). one challenge is unlikely to get higher in most corp dev / finance role as heads of corp dev and FP&A are usually young and unlikely to go anywhere so job hopping is required to get more (or wait for an IPO where your stock can start vesting)

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Yeah, good question and really varies on team structure. I am in a small team with one analyst, myself and Head so less politics and just space. In bigger teams from mentors and friends is more politics since you are effectively an internal banker so people have to see you as a relationship builder and consensus driver (less so than external sourcing) but then also subject to the person ahead moving. One caveat in bigger groups your work lifestyle is a lot more chill since only working in one deal at a time most of the time (that was at least my experience as an analyst in a bigger company and group). Now in super big groups like Amazon and Google not sure.

As for going to a smaller company, I have actually interviewed and decided not to pursue. Now this is an N=2 so take it with a grain of salt but interviewed with two Series D companies that were pre-IPO (or so they thought in late 2021 before shit went south) and their cash comp was $240K to $260K all in with $500K in RSUS and they say you should bake 3x value for IPO (again in 2021) and if performed another $200K to $300K in a year at Series D value (assuming no IPO till a 1.5 year ) so looking at $700K to $800K in RSUS pre-IPO (note most are 25% vesting at IPO and then straight-line for remaining 4 -year life). My company was closer to some for of liquidity event so rather take the higher cash comp and I like the team so no reason to leave. The two companies were also thinking of having corp dev teams capped at 3 (Head, Director/Sr. manager, and an analyst) and the title was not enough to give up the extra cash comp. 

One of my bschool friends went to a post IPO head of corp dev role (was at a major tech company doing corp dev for 5 years and was Director there) and their comp was $350 to $400K cash and $100K in stock but liquid. but to be fair I can say he is really good at what he does. 

 

A1 - 120k

A2 - 140k

A3 - 150k

As1 - 175k

As2 - 225k

As3 - 275k

As4 - 290k. Switched to a new bank and had to repeat a year unfortunately.

VP1 - 350k

VP2 - 390k

VP3 - 450k

The above captures all cash comp. There is more in deferred equity but can’t remember all that info off the top of my head.

And each year I got company 401k match, which is a nice sweetener.

 

This is for PWM mainly:

Yr 1 out of undergrad: $65k (this was actually a CRE underwriting role then I switched to PWM mid year)

Yr 2: $90k 

Yr 3: $122k (this was a new role from year 2 at a BB)

Yr 4: Expecting 135k this year

Received a verbal offer from a new firm that will be a base of $125k and bonus band of 20-40% (all in could be $150k-$175k). Still waiting to get this in writing.

Strictly work 8-5 with unlimited PTO in current role and potential new role.

 

Someone else can do the FX conversions on these - n.b. years 1-2 are pre-Brexit, years 3+ post-Brexit which changed the FX a lot. £/$ was ~1.6 pre-Brexit and has been ~1.3 since.

Year 1: £50k + £10k (6m stub bonus) - BB ER

Year 2: £55k + £40k - BB ER

Year 3: £60k + £40k - BB ER. Salary bumped to £80k with promotion but didn't stick around to see what the bonus was.

Moved to a large institutional AM (captive capital) to work on an equity L/S strategy.

Year 4: Slightly complicated due to guarantee / mid-year move but worked out as ~£80k base and £70k bonus

Year 5: £85k + £85k

Year 6: £90k + £80k

Year 7: £110k + £140k 

Year 8: £130k + £160k

Year 9: Title bump, will be £450-500k all-in.

Comp in my current seat is pretty predictable - I don't have the upside of MM platforms / standalone L/S funds but also fairly little downside.

 

Title in year 7/8 would be something like VP / Director / Senior Associate depending on which bank / AM title structure you are talking about.

Title in year 9 would be something like EVP / ED / Principal. Salary will be ~1/3 of that total comp figure, not that much higher than at the previous level but the bonus should ramp up a lot (albeit with more of it deferred).

The role is 'senior analyst' yes - so idea generation, having names in the book in my own right & helping manage a couple of more junior analysts/associates. Day to day of what I'm actually doing won't change much in year 9 vs year 7 and 8, just the title / comp will match that. Next 'step up' for me if I stay at my shop would be to a fully-fledged PM role.

Also just for clarity I would say most of those years (except maybe year 3 which was when MIFID-2 was starting to bite) would be considered 'good outcomes' for my shop / level.

 

Think of it like IB, but you get paid $40k and your team might suck lmao. I had 7 months without a day off - literally in the office everyday. Also, deal with 18-21 year olds who get in trouble for doing stupid things. I like the strategy involved, it's very interesting and high level, but the caveats of the pay is hard to get past. Turnover is also so high it's hard to make a career of it.

No, but fr, it's an experience I'll never forget, but the travel required and the hours is hard once you get older and now I have a family. The only exception I'd take is an offer in an NBA front office. There you get paid much better, and the travel requirement isn't there.

 

Background: Hella non-target from the middle of fucking nowhere. LITERALLY no family connections (we knew a small local finacial advisor and that was it). Bad grades in college.

Now: top ranked ASO in group and have more money at 28 than I ever expected. LFG

Graduated College

2017: $65k (not banking)

2018: $88k (not banking)

2019: $130k (banking adjacent, think Big4 TAS)

2020: $160k (banking adjacent)

2021: $450k (M&A ASO1) 

 

If anyone is looking for a not-common comp path

Y1 (Mega HF) - 85k

Y2 (Mega HF) - 95K

Y3 (Mega HF) - 115K

Y4-5 MBA

Y6 (FAANG) - 160K

Y7 I got sick pretty bad, didnt work

Y8 (S&O tech) - 75K

Y9 (S&O tech) - 95K

Y10 (S&O tech) - 125K

Y11 (S&O tech) - 165K

 

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