Would you guys marry a poor chick from a poor family?
I wouldn't and the MAIN reason is that I don't want her family become a liability to me. Trust me I have seen first hand, and it breaks families.
I had a conversation with a friend last week about this subject and he told me I was too picky. He even said that he would marry a waitress; I told him I wouldn't and he looked at me as if I was crazy. I want to marry a woman who is independent and who would be more of an asset than liability. Now I'm not saying I want a Paris Hilton but I would prefer my wife at least be from a upper middle class background. There are pros and cons to marrying chicks from humble backgrounds but the cons outweigh the pros for me. When a lot of humble chicks get a taste for money, they become greedier than even some rich chicks. This is due to the fact that they grew up with nothing and now feel that they are deserve the money since they grew up poor (like most celebrity divorces when a rich man marries a poor woman, she leaves with half and starts flossing with the guy's money like she's the baddest bitch).
I know I'm going to get shit thrown at me for this but I feel that this is a legit topic especially since most of us on this board have aspirations to become Big Swinging Dicks someday. With that said, let's discuss.
I date girls who are rich with drive, one was worth a fortune and her dream job was GS IB. That's my kind of girl, she interned at GS too.
That sounds like the prefect woman.
My dream woman simplified in a single sentence.
I agree with OP, to an extent; If she has the drive to get a job then as long as she's productive in her life
Dating only upper middle class is picky, imo
I'd be cool with a chick as long as she has ambition and isn't content with some part time shit job all her life
It's not about their background, it's about their own desire for a career. Let the impoverished parents live off the state, it's not your problem.
Just don't marry a girl who is looking to stay home and spend your money. By the way, the GS chick is probably looking to get knocked up by an MD and quit. Bitches hate working and that is why it's important to find one that will.
Dude, don't be a dumbass...the older you get the more you'll realize you just want someone that will make you happy when you come home from a 100 week at the office. It doesn't really matter what they do. Obviously you don't want someone that will just be out spending all your money on diamonds and vacations while your at the office. Hopefully they will at least have a decent 40 hour/week job. But come on man, don't be an idiot.
Well I agree the guy is a little tasteless.
My girls immediately family is quite wealthy, think middle wealthy in a foreign country. One of her family members married into one of the top 5 richest families in her country. The dad in that family is worth a cool 660 million. I found that out through wikipedia haha.
Although I knew none of this the first year we were dating so it never factored in that she was wealthy.
i ask you this...
power of the P will win everytime.. you say you would not marry a waitress but when that great looking waitress is making your toes curl you feel like you found a little slice of heaven.... you;re a kid so i will guess dont have a lot of exp with women... but end of the day.. you dont hold as many cards as you think you do.. most women dont give a crap about yout job or your pay.. as long as you can provide.. and thats not diamonds and pearls... its simple stuff.. trust me.. you think you are a great package but women get offers everyday from men for stuff simply for having a P... its true...
What exactly is the power of P (sorry if this is a stupid question)?.
As for the OP, I am from a relatively poor family (foreign) and can confirm the practice of sending money to parents back home (I plan to do that myself). I also plan to help out my spouse's parents (if I ever get married) if they need it. My dad did it all his life even though he didn't have much himself. I guess its a culture thing.
Also, I sympathize with your concern. If you're working for the money, you should get to decide who to spend it on. However, I don't think that just because someone is from a less wealthy background, they will be after your money. "Poor" people (at least the one's I know from back home), have a certain amount of pride (especially about taking money from their rich son in law) and would never accept your money if they sense that you don't want to give it to them. Again, my experience is based entirely on people in my home town so take it for what its worth.
jesus christ, either half of the people in this thread are really retarded and actually believe all their true love conquers all and power of the P (i guess this means penis?) bullshit or you just never have been around chicks from wealthy families lol.
My money's on P=pussy. Monty, can we clear this up please? :)
women do it all the time.... it works both ways.. men and women both date down and up.... if anything women play the better 10x better then men...
I LOVE this response. Kudos to you!
OP i think what you're trying to avoid is gold diggers, not someone from a poor family. there are plenty of girls from humble backgrounds who don't care about money, and plenty of girls from rich backgrounds who do care about money. they don't go hand in hand.
I feel that my taste in women is more reasonable most other than guys. There are some guys that date chicks ONLY if they look like supermodels. Others will NOT date a chick unless the chick went to the same ivy league school as them. All I'm asking for is a chick to come from a well to do family. I'm not saying poor chicks are bad, I'm just saying that I would prefer to date and potentially marry a chick who is independent and comes from a financially stable family. I don't want her dad's money nor her money. You can call it tasteless but it's not like I'm trying to wife a hooker. Monty09, I'm very hard working and I feel that I can bring a lot to the table. All of the women whom I've dealt with in the past were smart/driven and came from educated upper middle class families. You don't know me nor my personal experiences, so why judge me?
"boo hooo!!!! don't judge me!!!! :-( "
this is hands down the worst thread on WSO. sure, trolls have said more outrageous shit but the difference here is that you're fucking serious. what do you mean by "why judge me"? nobody on WSO knows you personally so they make an assessment based on your posts you fucking dipshit.
What's with the name calling? You sound butthurt. Besides, I've seen WORST threads on this site.
So, you've dated many women that you yourself have described. I see you're still single. My question is this: How's that working out for you?
it's not a factor in my decision process. and even if it is, it's quite low on the priority list
As long as she can cook, im fine with it. Unless she went to a state school or works at PwC
LOL is PwC the new Piper Jaffrays on WSO? I saw another post where someone was making fun of PwC in a similar way hahaha.
I would totally marry a poor chick if she was awesome... definitely would need to cut her family out of the picture though
What if she wants you to help her family out? IT IS GOING TO COME UP. You can't expect the chick to be living well with you while her family is still starving.
A lot of people are misinterpreting my op. I have nothing against the less fortunate but I would like all of my hard work to go into my wife,kids,and my parents. I hear some of my friends complain about how their foreign parents send their paychecks to relatives in their home country. I hear talk about their parents paying for their nieces and nephews school fees. I sympathize with them because I am also in the same boat and it pisses me off. A lot of you guys don't understand since it's not the culture in the United States. But outside of it, especially in Africa, it's common custom for the family who makes it to America to send their paychecks back to their homeland. That's why I don't want to marry a chick from a less fortunate family. You can call me idiot or cunt but I actually want to have a healthy relationship with my wife and family without having to worry about taking care of her relatives.
Maybe I am not understanding you, but you just said you want your hard work to go into YOUR wife YOUR kids and YOUR parents.
So if you are married, you don't want the money to go to her parents? Only yours right?
You have a lot to learn...
I have your back on this one an can see exactly where you are coming from. It is a problem in dating, I just ended up ending a relationship over several factors. One of them was the money issue, I have done very well for myself and have a good bank account and money saved up. She on the other hand had nothing, a job that didn't pay worth anything, and some debt. Her family on the other hand had nothing also, not a dime to their name, and had a lot of debt. It is a constant fear that all of it will come back on you and you will be the one taking care of her family in the future and even as her mom gets older. I am not usually the type to judge or say that you shouldn't date somebody because of their income status or their families, but you have to be careful and make sure you aren't setting yourself up for huge problems in the future! I may not be an expert in relationships, but can foresee out a big future problem that is just waiting to develop. It would be nice to date somebody who has a professional career and can stand alone and independently when it comes to finances.
lol because some how poor = classless?
Would never marry chick in very poorly paying profession(i.e. waitress), due to general gold digging worries.
For same reason would never marry chick from incredibly poor background(unless has a very well paying job).
All theories aside, chances are if you are from an upper middle - upper class background, those would be the general circles you hang around in anyway, hence where you would likely meet your potential wife.
Also you will tend to get along much better with people from that same background, hence likelihood of oyu marrying someone from it is much higher, you will not get along with very poor chicks regardless, since they will have very different values/preferences from you.
How about, spelling correctly and checking for grammatical errors. Have you seen your thread? It has no weight, anymore. Do you get along with people of poor spelling/grammatical errors?
It's interesting that a lot of people on this thread consider waitressing a "low income profession." Waitresses can earn on average $300 untaxed dollars per shift. In most fields, if you make $100,000 a year you aren't seeing almost half of that due to taxes. A part time waitress working 4 days a week actually earns more than a person working 5 days a week in a higher tax bracket making $100,000 annually. Additionally, most waitresses are in the field while also attending school or perhaps they want a flexible job that allows them to travel.
I worked as a waitress for years while attending school. I traveled a lot, made a lot of friends, and never had that "gold digger mentality" that you all have mentioned. I have now gone on to make substantially more selling medical devices and worked very hard to get where I am today. So you might want to check your facts before you limit your dating pool.
Good to see people have decided who they are going to marry in there 20s. Dream wife -- Meredith Whitney, she is such a doll!
First and foremost, your logic unveils a blatant lack of experience with women and life in general. Your whole argument hinges on the logical fallacy that not having a resource (in this case money) makes people go ape shit once they are exposed to it. This couldn't be further from the truth. People (women especially) have a much harder time letting go of things they are used to. A rich woman will have a much harder time adjusting to poverty than a poor woman will adjusting to wealth.
Most girls from lower class backgrounds will have to be exceptional in some way to even be exposed to an upper class stable of guys. Girls who have had to work their way up the ladder are far more appreciative of success and will generally have the ability to look positively and respectfully on your achievements than some daddy's girl who expects to be taken care of.
The family argument also holds no weight. I can think of very few rich families I know that don't have at least a few designated fuck ups. On the other hand, most poorer families are not plagued by gun toting, crack dealing, three toothed maniac cousin fuckers.
The bottom line in choosing a mate is always going to be the potential sustainability of a relationship, joint values and that undefinable spark which romance novelists bank on, yet can't explain for shit.
You would be wise to gain a lot more experience with women before coming to these sort of hasty and (for you) potentially life ruining conclusions.
/thread +1
These are pretty much the only coherent things I found in this thread...lots of hilarious stuff in here otherwise (mostly unintentional hilarity I would imagine).
also when your dating a girl OP do you really think hmm is this girl wife material ?
I've dated women from extreme wealth and power, and also from the bad part of my hometown, and honestly it comes down to "Can I live with this person, for the rest of my life". I like the story of J. Rockefeller who sincerely loved the woman he married, and she's the one that helped him organize his life to become wealthy: she was not rich and therefore valued money. It really can go both ways.
In all honesty, your picture shows a guy that was a bigger liability to HIMSELF than his wife's family......
Find a woman you fucking love. If you do that than everything else will fall into place.
If two people truly love each other all the modern talk of 'compatibility' and all that other bullsit goes out the window.
There are actually psychological studies to the contrary. Enjoy your Hannah Montana DVD collection.
True love will conquer everything, and with your true love you will ride on a horse over the rainbow and enter Paradise.
That's because true love is almighty and beautiful.
And even when you then get divorced and take all of your husbands money, that is excusable, because altough it was true love, you suddenly stopped feeling this true love, and when it is not true love anymore, anything is excusable.
I think this sums up the female thought process well.
Also, good women love you for who you are, not what you have.
^^^^^^^ NVM. I just realized what it meant. Can't believe I am that fuckin stupid :)
Fuck man, what happened to the days you married a girl you actually cared about? I didnt know family 'prestige' came into the mix.
You can tell pretty quickly whether a girl likes you for you or likes you for your money, and if you can't well then you need to spend more time around woman.
I don't care so much about how much she makes but I would care about what she does. You can tell a lot about a person by what their job is:
Waitress, secretary, cashier = I didn't do much in school, had little drive to make something of myself, hoping to just coast through life with an easy job.
(not what I consider good qualities of a "marriage material" girl and is probably outside of the bedroom pretty boring)
Owns her own business, lawyer, works IB = I at least tried some what in school, had at least some sort of idea about what I want in my life, had drive and the desire to make what I saw in my dreams happen, have enough passion in me to work through the difficulties of a more challenging job.
(She more than likely is smarter, will be more fun, and will want to get out and do something with herself instead of just sitting around and living off you which in turn makes her WAY more interesting)
Now of course if I'm just out for a good time well then I don't give two shits about what she does.
What makes you think a woman would marry you to begin with? You obviously come from a bumblefuck nontarget family trying to sit at the big boys table.
It is always easier to marry a woman who is of the same social status as you. If you come from a wealthy family, it is much easier to marry a woman who comes from a wealthy family - not necessarily a must, but if you have a lot of family money and marry someone whose parents are blue collar workers, there will be tension that will eventually rise on a lot of issues.
It is a legitimate thought / issue if you come from a wealthy family - it seems like so many people on this website come from less fortunate back-rounds and get their panties all in a bunch every time an issue like this is brought up.
Quit crying b/c you weren't born into money.
also this, finally some sanity in this thread lol.
Just as it's "always easier to marry a woman who is of the same social status as you", it is equally easy to be divorced by that wife who is of the same social status as you. Given that roughly 50% of marriages end in divorce, I will quote Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry" for you and the original poster: Do ya feel lucky, punk?
It is a legitimate thought / issue if you come from a wealthy family - IF you want to justify narcissism and being greedy and selfish. (There, I fixed it for you.)
worst forum ever.
I'm marrying the girl i fall in love with...regardless of anything else
nuff said
All you teeny boppers sound ridiculous. Worry about getting some good snatch first before you worry about your spouse to be...
Nothing worse than marrying some woman with some below average vag...
QFT
No bananas left but +1 vagoo to you sir
Um, let me just say this as someone who comes from a humble background and, through my career progression, is now doing well enough for myself (and likes to help my family back home)...
if you're married to a woman who's ready to live the good life with you while not giving a damn what happens to her family, you've married a true cunt.
She's the same woman who, when you're old, incontinent, and half-demented, will leave you to rot in your diaper while running off with a young, hot stud...
and, just so you know, it can happen just as easily with a woman who comes from a "good" family as it does with a poor woman.
Thank you sofib09 and others for the mature responses instead of the immature name calling. I too was born from humble beginnings but my immigrant parents worked very hard to get to the top. As a result, I have been living upper middle class since my teenage years. I wouldn't want my wife to have a total disregard for my family's well being but I am also not looking for her to carry my weight. I personally would feel uncomfortable with my wife taking care of my family and I hope she would feel the same way about me taking care of her family (besides her parents). I never said I wanted to get with a rich but like I said I'm not to comfortable getting with a poorer chick either simply for the fact that I'm not sure if she is attracted to me as a person or my money. The best balance for me would be chick from an upper middle class background. That way she will know the value of money and hard work from being raised in a decent household and I would not have to worry about her getting too greedy with money since she would be somewhat used to it.
What is considered upper middle class here in the United States and what country does your family come from? Somewhere in Africa I presume?
i apoligize for the name calling.
what i meant to say was that the OP is a four letter word, often used to desribe a woman, that ends with a "unt". (Hint: it's not "Aunt").
OP, lets assume you married a woman from a class that you want. And, what if life throws you a curve ball, and lets say YOUR parents need help and for whatever reason you cant help them. You will ask your wealthy wife for help, right? How would you feel if she tells you she is not interested in helping your parents because they are not her responsibility..... Just using your logic here....
I wouldn't put the type of woman I like in terms of upper/middle/lower class as far as income goes, I just require her to have class. And, honestly, coming from a less well-off background a girl is less likely to catch my attention because she most likely won't have some of the qualities I'm looking for.
P = pus
younger chicks will occassionally date down, the older they get the less down dating, down marriage is very very very rare.
alot of bitter people from poor backgrounds denying women being attracted to status and money on WSO.
LOL yea i'm sure WSO's membership is comprised entirely of bitter people from poor backgrounds. that's why were're so pissed at OP for this thread, in fact i'm standing in the welfare line as i type this ahahahahahah.
on another note someone made a troll post not too long ago about changing this website's name to "congregation of tools". threads like these make me understand why people say stuff like that.
The degree to which many of you lack basic social consciousness is astounding. Speculating on the "class" of the person you're going to marry before you've even had a single adult relationship is also fucking retarded.
I've dated up and down the spectrum of "classes" (random: for a country that boasts of its social mobility, it's remarkable how much the income of one's parents determine life trajectory... and how some of you idiots care so much about it) and the only generality I've been able to pull is that rich girls act the most entitled. Then again, I've also been with independent rich girls who work for their own money and insist on contributing for their share. What have I learned? Each person is different. While certain patterns may exist, there are plenty of people out there who don't fit the mold.
After years of marriage, many people develop close relationships with their in-laws. In 20 years, you will either hate them or feel like they're your second parents. If the latter, I hope to God you will WANT to help them as you would want to help your own parents. If the former, and your wife insists on assisting them, you should STILL want to help them. They're her blood. You would want the same care for your parents if you couldn't afford it. Common decency isn't so common anymore, apparently.
You love hard-working banker girls? Faaaaaantastic. Take them. I'll go with the happy, outgoing, adventurous, attractive, non-neurotic women. gasp if I'm reaaaallyyyy lucky, I might even find one of those with some intelligence too. I know, I know: if you're not in banking or didn't go to a top target you're CLEARLY mentally challenged, but a man can dream, no? Seriously... why a banking girl? Have you ever been with one? Most of them are as dull as their male counterparts. Sure, they're ambitious. Some of them are attractive. Some of them dress really well. Most of the ones I've encountered get boring to hang out with quickly. And many are fucking robots. Also, a girl can be independent even if she's not on the "greatness" track (see LSO).
At the end of the day, I want to find someone who makes me happy. I claim to be an independent guy and, as such, am not depending on my wife's income or family money to support whatever lifestyle I may want. If she wants to work until we're married and then stay at home and focus on becoming the best wife and mother she can be, I'd be fucking ecstatic. If she wants to work, I'd fucking ecstatic as well. Compromise comes a lot easier when two people are happy together and genuinely care about one another. But fuck, I'm way too young to hypothesize about what makes a marriage work.
All I know is: I couldn't care less about how much money my girl makes. It's all about how happy I am with her. Also: you sound like a terrible, heartless fucking person. And you also sound like you have shit for game.
This post speaks the truth. I have serious doubts half the people in this thread have ever been in a relationship let alone a serious one.
Just found this thread, and I think yours is a great answer.
Just found this thread, and I think yours is a great answer.
Just found this thread, and I think yours is a great answer.
That was beautifully written and it showed a lot about who you are, whole time i am reading this I'm like i wanna marry whoever it is that wrote this!!!
I am very much in love.
you are amazing and sound like the love of my life would, thank you for existing!
Thank you for quickly restoring the little faith I still have in society after reading the OP- OP, figure it out.
This is the BEST response concerning this topic! How is it that a Wall Streeter has such a warm and caring heart?
lol wow if there was any thread that drove me away from banking, then its this
I dated a ridiculously rich girl who was very independent and paid her own way through school. I also dated a very poor girl whose family didn't have more than $10,000 in assets.
Both had daddy issues, and because of that, were total beasts in the sack.
So the bottom line is: rich or poor, date chicks with daddy issues.
Lesson over.
Classic. While I know where you are coming from - dating girls with "daddy issues" can be beneficial to your sex life, I would certainly be careful about marrying a girl with "daddy issues" - that generally doesn't turn out well.
Marrying a rich girl has way too many drawbacks, biggest one being they're used to certain luxuries that daddy provided and now you're gonna have to pay for it. The best thing to do IMO is to marry someone poor/middle class and not have any joint accounts with them so they can't funnel your money into the pockets of her worthless, lazy, pathetic brother.
I understand what you are saying and that's why I would prefer to marry a chick in the same socioeconomic class as me--upper middle class. For instance, let's look at Tiger Woods and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Both of these guys cheated on their wives but the difference is that Tiger has lost half of the wealth, while the Arnold may lose some respect. Arnold married a woman who actually comes from a wealthier background than him and they had a long decent marriage. Tiger married a nanny, who then takes half of he has worked hard for. I have yet to her about Maria Shriver taking Arnold's money. For what? She already has her own. From what I have seen, when two people who are worth the about the same divorce, no party is taking half of the other party's money. But when a couple divorces and one is making significantly more than the partner, please believe the richer party isn't walking away with all of his or her money.
Besides, believe or not there are some down to earth rich chicks out there. Not every rich woman wants to be housewife, some actually like to work hard just like us men. At least if I date a rich chick, I will know she is not with me because of my bank account.
sorry to keep pestering you dude but every time you post i do an epic facepalm. this time, instead of hurling insults i'm going to give you an abridged list of things that were wrong with your last post.
-You say "if i date a rich chick..." hypothetically... have you actually ever been in a relatoinship or dated ANYONE? -How can you claim that Arnold and Maria S's marriage was long and decent considering the way it ended? -You say "believe it or not, not every rich woman wants to be a housewife"? Do you really think WSO members will find it hard to believe that some rich women like to work hard for money? -Going off my above point, you concede that not all rich women are alike... then wouldn't this hold true for poorer women as well? -When you say "Some [rich women] like to work hard LIKE US MEN" do you just assume that the entire membership of WSO is male? -When you say "Some [rich women] like to work hard like us men" are you trying to say that that all men like to work hard? This is not true, as I'm lazy as fuck. -When you say "At least if I date a rich chick, I will know she is not with me because of my bank account." you're speaking hypothetically again aren't you? I'd be willing to bet my entire net worth that your bank account isn't going to impress anyone
If i were to analyze your other posts I could go on and on an on like this. there's just so much wrong with every post that it's just easier to call you four-letter words. you need to stop.
yes. i prefer the poor girl with absolutely no self-esteem. when she realizes she's totally dependent on you she will be the most obedient bitch ever.
plus, RICH GIRLS ARE CUNTS almost 99.9% of the time.
OP is a striving, insecure little middle class nobody.
Worrying about dating a poor girl who is going to steal his imaginary riches is like worrying what kind of saddle he wants to mount on his unicorn.
It's really this mentality that destroys this site IMO.
First, you said in your post that your parents are from a poor background. I understand not wanting to date someone who is welfare poor, but you said you only became middle class in your teenage years. So what ever made you think you were better than these people? The people YOU grew up with? These are the people you will have the most in common with. Tell your mom what you just wrote here and I bet she will give you a lecture/smack in the head.
Second, like most people said you will find people who are like you/in the same circles as you. So if you are classless (which you are) you will be attracted to similar women (or at least they'll be the ones you are able to pull). Being rich does not mean as much as you think to most people. I know a few rich people who don't live lavish but are polite and attractive. You might even mistake them for dare I say middle class! I know a few people who scrape by to live in big homes/drive XYZ car and you might mistake them for upper class. Which one would you rather be with?
When it comes down to it if you can find someone who shares interests/common background with you and makes you happy then you should be lucky. You sound like a complete idiot, probably look like a hill create, and would be lucky to marry an attractive girl from PwC who can cook.
I don't know about that, I think either the OP is being unintentionally hilarious with his imbecility and gracelessness, OR he is one of the most subtle trolls ever.
One can only hope he is the best subtle troll ever for the sake of humanity.
Call me old fashioned, but the only reason I'd EVER marry anyone is for true love and wanting to spend the rest of my life with that special someone. Any other reason is just plain stupid. Have fun with your "ambitious" and "driven" upper-class gold-diggers who care nothing about you besides the size of your wallet. I'll admit that size does matter, but it sure as hell ain't your wallet size that will get some girl dreaming of you.
This is really a ridiculous question. The girls mentality is wayyy more important. I've dated relatively lower class girls, middle class girls and ridiculously wealthy girls. All of them had a different perspective on what happiness meant. Sure, the more wealthy among them closely tied wealth to happiness but I think most people do (that would be why lotteries exist).
When you talk about marrying a girl I seriously hope that you would know what the fuck you're getting yourself into before you tie the knot. As far as taking care of her family, that might be something you want to discuss beforehand, just a thought.
This thread delivers.
A girl from a poor family is probably not going to be smart or classy enough for me to marry her. I will only marry a girl who is hot, smart, kind, and classy (and good in bed, haha). And yeah, if she's wealthy, even better, but it's not a requirement. Wealth does not equal class, but they are correlated; same with intelligence.
I was trying to say this earlier, completely agree.
that's cool, kenny powers is a social darwinist too. those fucking poor people, right? HAHAH dumb fuckers are poor cause they have lesser genetics. it's fucking certain that, as a general rule, rich people are rich because they're smart, and not because wealth and opportunity gets handed down. high five buddy
Incredibly smart people are not likely to be incredibly wealthy since they will find making money and business in general way too mundane, they will be like middle-upper middle class.
You are correct tough that for all the talk of america being the land of opportunity, it scores pretty fucking horribly on statistics measuring ones own success in life relative to the success of parents.
Anyone saying a poor girl wont have class is shallow, sheltered and lacks a lot of culture. Get out of your bubble and see the world before you make a judgement. Poor doesn't always mean... trailer trash or ghetto bitch... Poor could be an ambitious girl whose family couldn't provide for her and she had to grind her whole life...
Yeah the poor girl could be very ambitious and fun OR the poor girl could still be a trailer trash piece of shit.
BUT in the same way a rich girl could be smart, hot, and funny OR she could be a stupid bratty bitch that you couldn't sit through one date with
The whole point of this article is down right stupid. Every one is different. Every girl you date will be different.
And trying to only date girls from one class is only limiting your chances of finding someone who you will be truly happy with.
This entire thread should be ended with this: Marry a girl you love to be around and could spend the rest of your life with. DO NOT go out and attempt to marry a girl just because she is in a certain wealth class.
Now can we please end this stupid pointless post and move on with our lives.
below is a picture of my wife
below is a picture of your future wife op
There are different kinds of poor. Is she poor because she majored in womens studies and works at some NGO? Or is she poor because she didn't graduate from high school?
What does it matter?
If you like her date her. If you don't drop her and move onto someone else.
Why is this such a complicated concept for some of you?
honestly i'm just trying to fuck oprah, get her pregnant, and live off some of that money of hers. you guys might throw some monkey shit at me, but i'm just trying to get paid.
Either you like her or you don't. The comfort of your salary will be an ancillary benefit, but I'm sorry, your 150k won't be enough for her to steal / be her sole desire for marrying you. My current girl went from being a spoiled bitch with a rich step dad and spent all his money, then he left and she was broke, she started making her own money (~40k/year in college) and is now very conservative and smart with her money. Bottom line, find a girl you're comfortable with and one that can make her own money.
I would like Patrick's opinion on this VERY important topic. Maybe he can support me.
Seriously dude..really?
She must be hot, nice and be ready to care about children.
Whether she is poor or rich, I don´t give a f*** about this shit.
I dated a woman who was/is wealthy and her parents were cool, too. But my homies were just "normal" and their parents couldn´t afford cars for their sons and daughters. They socializied in another world. My ex grilfriend could never ever socialize with them. I could understand this situation.
But somehow, she was terrible, too. She had class, she was pretty and she was a good athlete at school, but she thought she was sometimes perfect.
Very cynical wording of the question. It honestly makes me vomit. That being said, the issue you bring up to discussion is a relevant one. So, yes, while a girl from a humble background might desire a life of luxury a bit more than a girl who had lived with it for all of her life, old money girls want to keep living the life they are accustomed to.
I have been raised in a super-preppy old money community in Toronto, and my school's parking lot looked like something from those cheesy OC-esque dramas about spoiled teenagers. However, all that these girls talk about is their trust funds, and as to where in finance their bfs work. They are used to life of luxury, and as soon as you lose the ability to provide them with it, they will dump your sorry ass. So ya man, women are all women, and they all want a good life. However, I say go for an educated girl from an educated family (education >> wealth). Yes, if you're new money, try to go for an old money girl (for genealogical tree reasons) but try not too look like a noveu riche asshole to her or her parents (ie don't talk about your money, don't sound like a dick, don't throw money at the caddy, don't tip 90 %, etc)
oh yea because the average high school female will be able to explain what a trust fund is ...... lol good trolling!
Are you honestly dumb? A six year old knows what a trust fund is. It's one of those things your parents discuss with you when you're like 2 years old lol. And I'm not hating on noveu riche, I'm just saying that money + lack of class = being a dick who posts shit like 'Would you marry a poor chick from poor family." If you make money, don't flash your economic freedom, or both the establishment and middle class (not to mention the lower class) will all hate you.
Confucius said: Can there be a love which does not make demands on its object?
I think people are really confused in with the title. Notice the title doesn't say: "Would you guys marry a well off/rich chick from a poor family?" It says: "Would you guys marry a poor chick from a poor family?" I also think you guys are getting confused when I say poor. I'm not John McCain who thinks middles class households generates 5 million dollars a year. I personally would LOVE to marry a school teacher. Teachers don't make banker money but they appreciate education and I can attest that they are one of the most hardworking groups of professionals in the workforce (I come a family of educators). When I mean poor I mean welfare poor. They type of poor most of you guys probably have never seen. If a woman (or anybody period) is that poor, it means that she cannot stand on her own two feet. That's a quality I don't want in a woman. Throughout this site, I seen a lot of post bashing welfare so why would you marry a chick on welfare or who can barely sustain herself?
p.s. If you are scared of a chick who can hold her own and has her own money, then you are a P.U.S.S.Y with insecurities.
Lol. I thought by poor you mean a girl whose net worth
Lol. I thought by poor you mean a girl whose net worth
As far as the welfare bashing goes, people on this site tend to spend a lot of time justifying their own existence, and it's an easy argument to win considering 99% of the people on this forum will agree with that stance. Don't care and don't participate. Just pointing out the obvious.
Thank you! Neither party should be leaching off each other. p.s. I support welfare but I won't marry into it.
if she's hot and smart, i don't care.
I don't aggree with the love thing. At some point it has to fit. It is a fun time, but at the same time I think a women somehow must be able to fit you in some sense.
And it probably depends on yourself. If you have solid values and a clear point of view regarding what is acceptable and what not, you can cancel out anyone that is not fitting into your schedule. And I can tell that money is never a problem. I mean, you never define your character and worldview financially, unless you are a complete douche.
Apart from that you usually don't go for any psychologically pathological traits. Like winers, sit-arounds, golddiggers or in any sense intolerant or stubbornly boring individuals.
I personally would say reciproce feelings + mutual advancement of the other + symapthy for the families is a basis . But either alone won't really be enough. I've had girls simply because they enriched me somehow in my emotional or intellectual life, or because they were somewhat relaxing or genuinely attractive and sometimes I hated and sometimes I liked the family, and feelings ranged from almost none to a lot.
So in the end you have this perception that it truly could last a lifetime and then you decide if it is the right time. makes no sense to committ if you are in the middle of carreer fever and you won't have time for more than casual romance, since this will get you failed so badly once you are over this and you want something different. So it is also about life choice of towards what person you want to develop.
Anyone who ascribes to the OP's approach will end up miserable and in a coexistent relationship. Not a marriage. Speaking from experience.
I'm sensing a little judaism in the op.
I sense Asian.
OP come in here and settle this.
I'm an Asian Jew.
A wise man will only date a chick who falls into 3 categories.
1) Father is old money (talking Astor family)
2) Father is executive at IBD
3 )Father is executive at Fortune 500
Daddy lets you ride the jet and take the summer home...
I ONLY date poor girls. They're down to Earth, they're loyal, and they know how to get down with the dudes. The only thing I would do with a rich girl is drop my load.
Haha honestly idc as long as she only loves me and I only love her. I mean really guys, if u lose your gig would you want the girl you love to leave you because she is a liability? Personally I dont like to mix economic status with love.
Rich or poor does NOT matter. What matters is
1) If she she loves me regardless I am rich or poor . Everyone goes through tough times, will she stick with me during MY tough times? 2) Can she provide a Romantic Relationship which fuels and stimulates my professional life and ambition? 3) Does she understands the importance of savings for a rainy day? 4) Is she educated, well versed, disciplined or NOT?
As long as the romantic relationship is propelling my career growth, there is honesty, truth, intelligence and love. Nothing else matters man.
Money is NOT the most important thing in life my friend, although it should be one of the top-5 or top-10 important things in today's world.
There are a LOT of shallow things I consider when prospecting women, but money has NEVER been one of them.
Hi OP,
just stopping by to say that we do exist. But we're a rarity, and I mean it. I have my mother to thank for being grounded and my father who, despite coming from a third generation business family, watched my grandparents experience setbacks while growing up which made him very driven and independent.
About me/my family:
We don't take our money/status/lifestyle for granted, and we don't act like people who've never seen money or feel compelled to overspend. We're actually pretty ordinary at home, but of course we make appearances in social events (cause that's just how things are when you're in this level..). We have got to be the least fake, most cultured and educated family in this country. We don't do things just for the name/prestige or just to show off. My siblings and I take our education seriously as we plan to take over my dad's business (it started out from my great grandad who immigrated to this country). We all have great personalities and a myriad of interests and talents. In fact we abhor society kids but have to fake interaction with them since it's just proper social decorum. But we are close with one another. We like to have a good laugh, play music, chill, watch smart tv, keep informed of the world and we take every opportunity to further enrich ourselves all the time. We are also culturally very aware and very much exposed since young. We treat our exposure like the greatest privilege.
I assure wallstreetoasis users out there that I have great relationship with my father lol and do not date men for money (honestly, my dad has money and I don't like to have people pay for me) or even looks ( I don't get turned on by Ken-like abs or whatever but of course I like a guy who takes up sports. I don't mean 'phwoar gymming' but more like Ryan Kwanten). But of course I have some standards as I know I am not bad looking and I don't partake in clubbing and all that which means I won't age as fast as my friends (for example people have mistaken me for being 17 or 18! lol). my criteria for guys' basically: educated, culturally aware and exposed guy, decent looking, hygienic, minimal bad habits, mature, driven, has a good relationship with his family, knows his priorities (i don't mean 'me' loll.. i'm not the kind of girl who craves for attention), has integrity, humility and values. As for socioeconomic status, well similar to me would be great as it would mean that he would be on my level/have had my kind of upbringing and exposure ( i don't mean this condescendingly, I just know these kinds of things can cause friction later on).
Oh, and I judge a guy by his parents and circle of friends.
I can also cook. lol. That's cause my mum cooks. She had a great career (was established and all) before marrying dad but she grew up in a small town. She's got to be the best upper middle class mother. She taught my brothers and I to read before we entered grade school, she can cook, she is a light packer, she dresses so well because of talent (when growing in the small town, she used to spend her free time as a kid designing her own clothes, sewing designs onto skirts, etc) but she shops very minimally (im not kidding). She plays with stocks at home and loves to do crossword puzzles in her free time.
So yeah, keep your chin up cause we do exist. you just have to know how to look for the right things lol :)
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You sound almost exactly like me/my family. The poster I quoted more or less describes my world view.
This thread generated a lot of vitriol, and understandably so. If you are going to keep social class as your primary criteria in finding a match, you are going to be disappointed. But to not keep it as a criteria at all...well, in my experience, you're doing it wrong.
Not only have I dated guys who come from lower-income backgrounds than mine, but I've also had friends from low-income backgrounds. These relationships worked out in the short term because I selected my boyfriends and friends for 1) intelligence, 2) personality and 3) common interests.
Let's start with the boyfriends first. I was strongly attracted to them and loved their company, but after a while differences would come up between us that had roots in our upbringing, e.g. he didn't feel comfortable around my private school friends (which I didn't understand, because preps are not Gossip Girl types, not even a little bit), my future in a white collar profession intimidated him/made him feel less manly, etc. Which was ridiculous, because blue collar guys are pretty much as masculine and hot as they come, but whatever. Also, they had drastically different goals for the future, so even if I really liked a guy, I knew there wasn't long-term potential.
Same thing with poor female friends - they either used me, or became too insecure/competitive for a healthy friendship to continue, which was sad and not at all what I had expected or hoped for out of those friendships.
We like to pretend we live in Great Democratic America where social class doesn't exist, but you really are living in a fairyland if you believe class doesn't matter, especially when you're dealing with something like marriage.
BUT - and that's a huge but - social class should not be the MAIN criteria. You should select for intelligence, matching interests/goals, and personality, and THEN social class. Too picky? Well, this is marriage we're talking about, not dating. This is how you minimize chances of divorce.
ps.
love is not an emotion.
it's a choice.
i've seen a lot of people reduce love to an emotion or state of whatever kind of bliss. Let's be realistic, the passion heatwave will only last for so long. after that you'll see the person for what he/she is. So at the end of the day, who are you.. how would you define yourself? and what makes you the way you are? what kinds of things have shaped your current worldview? these are the kinds of questions that come to my mind when I meet a guy because I look for quality.
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Another thing (which I think makes me slightly out of the norm)..
I don't look for a guy to just pass the time with. Neither am I interested in relinquishing my emotional responsibility/independence to one.
I just think like.. if a guy is sincerely interested in me and wants to stay in my life, then he has to work for it. Relationships, like most things are not static. That is basically why I've put off dating for the moment. I concentrate on other things like my studies, my relationships with my parents, siblings and a few semi-close friends (who are globally dispersed, so thank God for skype). The rest of the time I spend learning to network better and doing internships. Not that I didn't go to school with people who come from distinguished families, but at that time I was practically oblivious to all of that lol. I'd spend my free time at boarding school on the arts (music, theatre, poetry, languages) and on befriending the disenfranchised (because they were so much less vapid).
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I agree with the drunk penguin guy. OP is a dick. Also you mention you wouldn't mind marrying Paris Hilton. Really? You want to marry a woman that has absolutely no ambition in her life and lives off her dad's fortune? My ex came from a piss-poor family and she worked her ass off to get to a good school, pay for her education and get into a good grad school. That's something I admire. That's an asset, not a liability. If anyone at all is a liability, it's you to everyone you know.
ONE ANSWER: IT DEPENDS ON THE CHICK
let me tell you about this girl I dated for 7 months back in college. like the typical ivy league chick from an upper middle class background, her father was a litigation partner at a top 10 law firm (think wachtell-lipton-type thing). the general consensus is that partners at biglaw make $1-3Mil in comp annually. her mom majored in art history and is a home maker. she was rich, but not rich enough to have donated money to grant her admissions into an ivy league school, meaning, she's got raw talent as well. plus she majored in biomedical engineering -- not your typical liberal arts ivy girl.
SO i thought she was awesome at first -- smart, ambitious, attractive (for an Ivy chick), hard working (not to mention the only reason we dated was because we met while being the only two people working on our psets in the reading room at 4am in the library). plus she was classy, stylish, and had wonderful taste - her dad and uncles are art collectors and her family wasn't poor so it's not like shes a gold digger right?
well, ill let you be the judge of that. 4 months in, she started talking about how she grew up seeing how hard her dad worked to make sure her family enjoyed the lavish lifestyle, especially how her mom sits at home and basically does nothing but lay by their pool all day, especially now that her daughter is in college and has no kids to raise at home. she also talked about how her dad worked hard to pay her entire ivy tuition and mentioned she doesnt have to work a side job. i said "wow, your dad's very admirable and inspiring" she's like "yeah definitely. my mom just hopes that one day i will also find a man like that and have the kind of life she's living right now..."
i joked, "oh! so you wanna marry rich?" and she said "WELLL, he's gotta be definitely making more money than me that's for sure!" -- basically the conversation implied that since she grew up in a lavish mansion in the north east, watching her mom stay home and her dad work super hard, she didn't want to change that for herself. Then I asked her, "Well, if you just want to find your Donald Trump, why are you working so hard in biomedical engineering then?" and she responded, "Honestly? Because it was easier to get into than the College because there aren't many white girls in engineering. Plus I'm getting really tired of doing all these problem sets."
anyhow...you be the judge :P
That is a beautiful story.
What's wrong with girls from PwC?
Only on a finance forum would you consider money factors like this so closely.
It's like you've never truly experienced real, deep, unconditional love. The type that says "I want what's best for her even if it means we're not together." The type where you care for that person as much if not more than yourself.
The type that makes you the person you are meant to be, and so much more. It changes you. And it changes you forever.
People say the worst feeling in the world is being lonely. It's not. The worst feeling is being forgotten by the one you'll always remember. And then you'll know money never was nor should be a primary factor, but rather, whether you two have that type of bond.
The bond that can last forever.
Are these lines from a Hollywood old-fashioned romantic movie or what?
Personal experience.
It's such a bitch. Okay, one line was from a motivational, but the rest was from experience. :P
*sniff.
Would you guys marry a poor chick from a poor family? Poor chick are the worst. Poor chick ruined my life.
Why not?
I would never discriminate anyone because of his or her background. more important is where the person is now. I know girls from poor background who excelled academically and now have handsomely paid jobs. and I admire that. this aspiring, hard-working attitude. to be honest, if I were to choose, I would choose a girl who has a good job now (does not have to be super high paying, a regular middle class job (e.g. engineer, teacher, scientist, etc.) would be sufficient) AND comes from a regular background (so no upper class, regular middle class or even working class). because she fought her way up and thats something that impresses me. just my taste
She's got to be ambitious, successful on her own, and independent.
Background really shouldn't matter, but apparently, it does (considering the shitstorm this topic has brought).
I think the answer is you don't really have a choice.
If you are madly in love and she has you wrapped around her finger, I don't think your mind will be able to overpower your heart.
This thread is hilarious
My cousin works for PwC. Poor girl will probably never get hitched...
Dinner?
Meh, maybe lunch or coffee
Dude, so many white girls like this in Penn biomedical engineering haha. Seen one you've seen them all. Don't know how she gets through the psets though. And the labs, my friends say they're six hours long - this chick has resilience.
Actually, I should have got that. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.
A lot of them start dating guys from work. Efficiencies.
I am a poor "chick" i prefer the term lady, I am only twenty-six years of age and after reading your "outstanding" Paragraph on why you would not marry a poor women, I would just like to mention how i find you very shallow. Money cannot buy everything, you are living proof , I suppose if money could buy anything you would of bought yourself an education? you should know that marriage is based on love, not what you have in your wallet, this stands for men and women! but if i was too marry a rich man it would not be you and your low education.
You made my day , thankyou !
Who gives a f*** whether she is rich or poor? As long as you like her for who she is and she likes you for whom you are, who cares?
w/out a doubt, she'll probably be from colombia and probably smoking hot.
Colombian women are very feisty, but very loyal and clever.
Californians are the best. Texans are good too.
Isn't that the case (culturally) for all Latin American countries?
As for her being feisty, who wants a boring chick anyway?
To add on to what I said here.. Marrying a poor chick and marrying a chick from a poor family are two different things that need to be clarified in this thread. Sorry for helping to bump and old thread.
No, never.
No, I would only consider PB models and the like.
I know this is an old thread, but I stumbled upon it during a Google search and thought I'd comment. OP, you sound exactly like the jerk off who dumped me years ago because I was a poor girl from the wrong side of the tracks. He, like you, wanted a rich bitch with a trust fund and a pedigree, and I wasn't her. He felt that a woman like me, as impoverished and "low-class" as I was, would make him look bad. So to the curb I went.
You say a poor wife would be a liability to you? How do you know all poor women would foist their impoverished families on you? Isn't that an unfair blanket statement? What if you married a rich woman who was a complete head case and as manipulative and selfish as all hell? And my friend, I've met a lot of rich women who fall into that category! Wouldn't a woman like that make your life equally hellish? A person's financial resources, or lack of them, don't equate to the quality of her character.
Sounds to me like you'd much rather have a wealthy woman who doesn't give a rat's ass about you over an impoverished woman who worships you. I see that jerk off I just mentioned all the time, as he and I live in the same town, and the effects of his gold digging have mentally, physically, and emotionally broken him. Turns out his rich, pedigreed wife is an abusive, selfish, manipulative monster, molded and shaped that way by her parents' money.
By the way, as impoverished as my background is, I eventually graduated Summa Cum Laude from a private college and now have a "real" career and live an upper-middle-class life in an upper-middle-class suburb. Oh, and did I tell you that I worked menial jobs throughout school to achieve this lofty dream? True story. While you consider that, observe how well-written this post is, devoid of errors of grammar, spelling, and syntax. I'm sure you believe that high intelligence I obviously possess is found only among the upper class. Surprise, surprise.
The jerk off now hates himself now for having let a prize like me slip through his fingers.
In conclusion, I hope you never find a good woman to love you and that you get saddled with the same kind of evil rich bitch the jerk off is saddled with. You are a shallow, mercenary, social-climbing phony
Missed a period last sentence
you sound bitter - want a snickers?
Ms. Alexandrova....well played, my dear....well played!
Short answer is yea
Hello. I just had to leave a comment. I am a young lady coming from a foreign country. I look like a supermodel (I am Eastern European: and no I am not a whore). I have a PhD in engineering. My parents, grandparents are/were well educated, but their income is low compared to the average american income. I had to get the scholarship for my Ivy league uni, and I had to work while I was studying. I made it on my own, and today I can have any man I want. A guy that thinks like you, is a douchebag, plain and simple. To reply to your question, yes I will always send MY money to MY parents. They sacrificed so much to give me the life I have today (I work in a hedge fund and have likely much bigger paycheck than you do). A man that would not be able to respect the fact that I do not forget my family, my blood and people that did everything for me is simply a person I do not want to waste my time with. Not for a second would I mind my future husband helping out his family. I would be proud of him, and it would show me he is a good man. It would reassure me that he is the right person to share my life with. You will end up with a pretty bad person, but that is where you belong, it is just the natural selection. My partner is a portfolio manager in a hedge fund, and also helps his family (they are not poor, but he always wanted to fulfill some dreams of his parents), and I could not respect him more for that. Instead of thinking who will spend couple of thousands of your money, make things happen. Make more money so you actually do not feel endangered when you help others. That's what I did, and giving back could not make me happier. I transfer around 2000 dollars to my parents each month, and I even do not feel the difference as I make much more than I need. If a guy even tried to stop me from being a good daughter, I'd ditch him in a second. My money, my problem. My parents will always come the first. That is loyalty, something you obviously never experienced. Cheers! Good luck living your selfish life and sharing it with another ungrateful brat.
Hi Lyna, I think you might be misunderstanding this thread. You don't fall into the "poor chick from a poor family" category as your income clearly demonstrates. Sending your money to your family, though truly admirable, has precisely zero relevance to the discussion at hand. You are an asset. The problem only arises when you start sending his money to your family. That's the moment whereby you transform from an asset into a liability.
You sound like you come from a great family with strong values but please remember that this is not a universal condition. Many otherwise wonderful people can rapidly develop greed, jealousy and hatred when they see their child (or their child's significant other) lead a lifestyle they could never even dream of. How would you feel if you were in a committed relationship with someone who was unemployed and whose parents ask you to "loan" them some money? Could you say no? What if they need it to keep their house? What if they ask you for more next month? And so on.
The fact of the matter is that money is a huge source of tension and drama that can ruin relationships and turn loving people into bitter animals. I have dated both ends of the spectrum, from the daughter of immigrant parents who's combined income was below the US poverty line to a girl with a nine-figure trust fund who's fathers name has been mentioned on this board. The latter situation clearly comes with some downside protection. Now I would never reject a girl on the basis of low socioeconomic status, but to pretend that there isn't at least some potential for drama and disaster is ignoring the truth of the issue.
I get what you are saying, but there is a clear difference between an abusive partner and a partner that needs help. My parents didn't need help (as life in my home country is cheap), but I always wanted to make up for everything they did for me. And nothing on Earth makes me happier than things I do for them. They never asked a thing, I decided to give back on my own. I simply couldn't be happy while I am travelling around the globe, thinking that my parents left my country twice in their life. So I take them to nice trips with me. And my partner actually appreciates what I am doing for my family. He just bought a new expensive car for his mom, because she always wanted to have that kind of car. I think he did so sweet thing for his mom.
As an engineer, If I had a partner that has parents that are struggling, I would work through a logical algorithm:
Question 1. Is my partner making a decent amount of money and his parents are living in poverty? YES: I am leaving him. He is selfish, and he is a liability long term. NO: jump to Question 2
Question 2. Is he working/doing his best to make money to help them on his own? NO: He could be selfish and ungrateful (as he is not using his chance to help them) or he's some version of a gold- digger that is actually abusing me. I am leaving him. He's a liability long term. YES: He's doing his best to make money and help his family, but he's e.g. a professor so he doesn't make enough. I step in, and help! He's an asset long term, a good man, and I am happy to share my life with him.
Therefore, not all people are fortunate to make as much as we do. And I would not like to miss on good guys from that category just because I am scared that I will invest money to help his parents sometimes. Good man usually comes from a good family, so the chances that he's a nice one and his parents are abusive is low. And I'll take the chance.
First three sentences... great stuff.
Your original post before you changed it - don't even wry about it bro i got u :
I know this is an old thread, but I stumbled upon it during a Google search and thought I'd comment. OP, you sound exactly like the jerk off who dumped me years ago because I was a poor girl from the wrong side of the tracks. He, like you, wanted a rich bitch with a trust fund and a pedigree, and I wasn't her. He felt that a woman like me, as impoverished and "low-class" as I was, would make him look bad. So to the curb I went. You say a poor wife would be a liability to you? How do you know all poor women would foist their impoverished families on you? Isn't that an unfair blanket statement? What if you married a rich woman who was a complete head case and as manipulative and selfish as all hell? And my friend, I've met a lot of rich women who fall into that category! Wouldn't a woman like that make your life equally hellish? A person's financial resources, or lack of them, don't equate to the quality of her character.
Sounds to me like you'd much rather have a wealthy woman who doesn't give a rat's ass about you over an impoverished woman who worships you. I see that jerk off I just mentioned all the time, as he and I live in the same town, and the effects of his gold digging have mentally, physically, and emotionally broken him. Turns out his rich, pedigreed wife is an abusive, selfish, manipulative monster, molded and shaped that way by her parents' money.
By the way, as impoverished as my background is, I eventually graduated Summa Cum Laude from a private college and now have a "real" career and live an upper-middle-class life in an upper-middle-class suburb. Oh, and did I tell you that I worked menial jobs throughout school to achieve this lofty dream? True story. While you consider that, observe how well-written this post is, devoid of errors of grammar, spelling, and syntax. I'm sure you believe that high intelligence I obviously possess is found only among the upper class. Surprise, surprise.
The jerk off now hates himself now for having let a prize like me slip through his fingers.
In conclusion, I hope you never find a good woman to love you and that you get saddled with the same kind of evil rich bitch the jerk off is saddled with. You are a shallow, mercenary, social-climbing phony
best girls are the ones that know that you're working your ass off and arent going to be spending that for useless things. someone practical and has common sense.
Could give her more drive, though (if she comes from nothing).
Oh please. If this girl is independent and ambitious enough she will be able to support her own family. If she herself makes 25K a year why would she be begging you for the food on table?
I agree, it is something to not take lightly and very important to evaluate your situation on an individual basis, no man wants feel like he is providing a life for somebody and taking every bit of the risk on when dating somebody. If it is true love and you feel comfortable with it, then more power too you.
totally agree
would date a wealthy girl from Stamford, CT who went to a small liberal arts school over one from a humble background but was top 5% of her class in an ivy league.
Its not the amount of money she earns. Anyone can earn money if they put their heart and mind to it. Its the class they possess as a result of their privelaged upbringing which attracts me personally. And no amount of money or drive can buy that. You either grow up with it or you dont
First time I've barfed in decades, so thank for that refresher in what it feels like.
This is just silly. You're implying that there is a ceiling to a level of class someone can have based on the conditions they grow up in? Nonsense....
Take it from me here. I used to date a chick, in no small part because she was a Sweet Briar alumnus and thus had a decent amount of "prestige" cred. It wasn't even close to worth it.
Instead look at what someone brings to the table.....and 'prestige' is only one way they can. Look at it this way: an exceptionally skilled homemaker will save you from having to hire chefs, nannies, maids, etc in addition to making your life fantastic when you're not at work. Those can more than make up for what a girl brings to the table money wise.
Wait a sec, the thread starter has 24 SB's and 30 MS's, but the content score for this thread is +136...what???
Well put. The girl I married grew up in a family that went through some hard times after her father came down with a medical problem that left him unable to work.
As far as her level of "class" she's in an entirely different league from almost all of the girls from elite east-coast schools that I've met. I've never once had to make excuses for her conduct, whereas with every girl who had the "prestige" that the OP seems to want in a girl I eventually found myself having to repeatedly explain why said girl was acting like a bitch.
How did OP get 135 SB's for this post?
I guess I somewhat appreciate the conception of assortative mating. Marriage is more than just love from my perspective.
Just to add one more thing. I think girls coming from a background of poverty are not shameful, but girls hoping some wealthy men will take care them are pretty hateful. Therefore, being independent while not being materialistic is very important. From my perspective, love is not just the only concern for marriage It is not only about a couple but also about two families. As long as my parents appreciate the girl, I don't care whether or not she is poor. Anyway, I do come from a upper or upper middle family, but my parents did suffer in a condition of poverty back in the old days. My dad just got his multimillion US dollars by capturing the upward trend of China's economic growth in the past twenty years. Hence, I do have lots of relatives that are poor.
The jerk off OP won't find a real wife. I'd find a woman with a humble background who is now successful than one who is successful because she got everything prepared for her and shits handed to her all life.
"I want to marry a woman who is independent."
I don't think being poor makes you not independent. The same goes for being rich.
"When a lot of humble chicks get a taste for money, they become greedier."
It is true in many ways, but I think it is not always the case. Plus, money makes anybody greedier in general. That's why the rich goes on to be even richer.
Anyway, it would also be least likely for me to marry a poor chick. But for different reasons that you said.
The most important things for me is: 1. The drive to succeed. If she is poor but determined to success through hard work, she's good to go. The same goes for if she's rich but wants to be rich through her own hard work, not his father's. 2. She sees value instead of price in things. Self explained.
I go for real connection with somebody that is actively working, wants to be working, and wants to have a future together full of love.
A lot of women in the workforce that are attractive are looking for a paycheck so the ideal women scenario you seek will never pass you up because their will always be somebody with bigger pockets trying to flash cash in front of her.
If you are dating outside of college you find the dating pool shrinks, and the opportunities to establish a real connection with somebody diminishes. So, if you are outside of college and working a lot when you find somebody you are attracted to and have a connection with go for it. You don't want to pass the woman of your life because you are worried about one of your bullet points on your long laundry list of what a woman should have.
If I do hit it big and can afford my woman to stay home I would honestly do it. I see plenty of PM, traders doing the same, but I see that they married somebody with a alot of college debt from a fancy college. Having a lawyer, doctor or somebody uber successful as your marriage partner complicates thing. A woman earning more then a man in the relationship has its own dynamics. And, I would hate to be the B**** in the relationship.
Good luck, and remember you don't find love - love finds you.
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