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Mode note: Blast from the past - "Best of Eddie" - this one is originally from December 2010.

Monty09 may have gotten the best plug yet for his Energy Rodeo in Houston next month, and it came from none other than the New York Daily News. The Daily News piece on the ridiculous cost of living in New York pointed out that it takes six figures just to make it into the middle class in the city, and a New Yorker has to earn $123,322 a year just to match the lifestyle $50,000 a year buys in you Houston. On top of that, $60,000 a year in Manhattan is the equivalent of just $26,000 a year in Atlanta - just over the poverty line.

What the article doesn't mention, however, is perhaps the most compelling reason to choose Houston or another southern city over the Big Apple: GRITS.

No, I'm not talking about the delicious breakfast staple. I'm talking about Girls Raised In The South.

I'm here to tell you. Southern girls are the best women in the country, and I've lived everywhere. No woman from anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of Texas will ever treat you as well as a Southern girl. It's in their DNA. You won't find the angry species of uptight doctoral-candidate-in-Women's-Studies-at-Brown with a two-ton chip on her shoulder and a disapproving gaze in the South. Southern women actually enjoy being women.

Don't get me wrong. If uptight, career-focused chicks under five layers of winter clothing are your thing, New York's gonna be tough to beat. It's certainly a lot easier to pull an all-nighter at work when you know you've got a mirthless harpy waiting to emasculate you at home. It just doesn't work for me.

If you want a girl who is laid back and knows how to party, who can go beer-for-beer with you, who will cook circles around any restaurant, and who will kick your ass if you make her late for the big game, there's only one place to find her. And it ain't Brooklyn.

The lifestyle in the South is so much better as well, especially if you're an energy trader or investment banker. The lower cost of living means you'll probably be living in a sweet McMansion instead of a third floor walk-up with roommates. And you'll be at the top of the food chain, instead of being just another face in the crowd. Be warned though: there are steep social penalties in the South for brazen douchbaggery. You don't want to be that guy down there.

If you're making $150,000 a year in Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans (especially New Orleans), or Charlotte, you are absolutely killing it. That kind of dough in Manhattan means you're still working ramen into the rotation one night a week. It's no contest in my mind.

One other thing that blew my mind about the survey was the fact that in New York, it can cost up to $25,000 a year for childcare for one kid. Are you shitting me? Here's a novel idea: why not move to the South where the child can actually be raised by a parent? Wow. Hadn't considered that.

Seriously, guys. I know New York is the center of our little universe. But it's by no means the only place there's opportunity, and the lifestyle in most other places is going to blow New York out of the water. If I were a young trader, or someone looking to become one, lifestyle considerations would weigh heavily in my decision making process. And when it comes to lifestyle, it's Houston over New York without breaking a sweat.

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Comments (168)

  • jhc2148's picture

    I wish they all could be California....

  • K3's picture

    NYC will always be the heart of finance, no other city, cheap rent, lower cost of living, or girls is gonna change that. Need to save money on rent, move to jersey. Need a hot chic, wait until fashion week and get to know one of the Versace Models who doesnt have a green card (and hopefully you do).

    I was down at Shell for its Commodity Trading Final rounds, Houston is a dump. The quality of life was so shitty that I felt like I was stupider or of worse caliber then I thought I was. Shell probably offered me 100+k to move down there cause they knew it was going to suck for me. More pot holes then Jersey could ever compete with. There is a reason why its so cheap to live there, cause no one is there doing the jobs that we love doing simply because who ever is doing it down there couldn't get into NYC, which means they werent good enough --> they pretty much suck unless they are petroleum engineers from Texas A&M (those guys are really sharp when trading commodities).

    Southern girls aren't THAT great. Being in Houston, I must admit that the good looking girls had a better "finishing" than North-east girls, however, they were generally pretty stupid or book smart and lacked any type of interest unrelated to being a girly girl. They are very pretty, that I will agree 100% with and they never looked bothered or worried. Just looking for a good time, a beer, and some serious attention to look forward to the sex that she really wants from you. Texan girls in a nut shell.

    The only city in the south I would ever move to is Miami (which is probably not even considered "the south"), to maintain some what a similar level of Prestige.

    .

  • DatGreyPoupon's picture

    The South sucks for people who don't want to drive or live in McMansions. There are also few Asians in the South which sucks for guys like me who have yellow fever.

    I'd be very unhappy in the South.

  • In reply to K3
    Nouveau Richie's picture

    Khara 3alekon:
    NYC will always be the heart of finance, no other city, cheap rent, lower cost of living, or girls is gonna change that. Need to save money on rent, move to jersey. Need a hot chic, wait until fashion week and get to know one of the Versace Models who doesnt have a green card (and hopefully you do).

    I was down at Shell for its Commodity Trading Final rounds, Houston is a dump. The quality of life was so shitty that I felt like I was stupider or of worse caliber then I thought I was. Shell probably offered me 100+k to move down there cause they knew it was going to suck for me. More pot holes then Jersey could ever compete with. There is a reason why its so cheap to live there, cause no one is there doing the jobs that we love doing simply because who ever is doing it down there couldn't get into NYC, which means they werent good enough --> they pretty much suck unless they are petroleum engineers from Texas A&M (those guys are really sharp when trading commodities).

    Southern girls aren't THAT great. Being in Houston, I must admit that the good looking girls had a better "finishing" than North-east girls, however, they were generally pretty stupid or book smart and lacked any type of interest unrelated to being a girly girl. They are very pretty, that I will agree 100% with and they never looked bothered or worried. Just looking for a good time, a beer, and some serious attention to look forward to the sex that she really wants from you. Texan girls in a nut shell.

    The only city in the south I would ever move to is Miami (which is probably not even considered "the south"), to maintain some what a similar level of Prestige.

    This.

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Ha! Bunch of yankee haters, just as I expected.

    Houston's biggest drawback (in my view) is the traffic, which is utterly ridiculous. I talked to an insurance adjuster there once and he told me he lives 8 miles from work and has a 45-minute commute each way. New York has the subway, but the traffic on the streets is gnarly there as well.

  • mr_bigglesworth's picture

    +1 on Khara 3alekon's
    How much is a one bedroom apartment in NYC? 2k, at the min, 3k will get you something decent. No way someone making 60k (now 70k) starting in banking can spring for that without a subsidy from parents (which happens quite often). I just feel sorry for my friends doing marketing, making 50k with no hopes of any increase.
    I'm making more now than my old man did until he was a few years out of B-school, also substantially more than the average American family income, and I live well, but nothing more than a middle class lifestyle, and I definitely couldn't afford to support a wife and kid, or even just a wife.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    mr_bigglesworth's picture

    Edmundo Braverman:
    Ha! Bunch of yankee haters, just as I expected.

    Houston's biggest drawback (in my view) is the traffic, which is utterly ridiculous. I talked to an insurance adjuster there once and he told me he lives 8 miles from work and has a 45-minute commute each way. New York has the subway, but the traffic on the streets is gnarly there as well.


    I have friends in LA, they said that everyone get DUIs, since you have to drive everywhere, and it's too far to take cabs. I can go out drinking all night, and not have to worry about who's going to drive me home, and I don't know anyone with a DUI here.

  • monty09's picture

    thanks for the plug

  • In reply to K3
    monty09's picture

    Khara 3alekon:
    NYC will always be the heart of finance, no other city, cheap rent, lower cost of living, or girls is gonna change that. Need to save money on rent, move to jersey. Need a hot chic, wait until fashion week and get to know one of the Versace Models who doesnt have a green card (and hopefully you do).

    I was down at Shell for its Commodity Trading Final rounds, Houston is a dump. The quality of life was so shitty that I felt like I was stupider or of worse caliber then I thought I was. Shell probably offered me 100+k to move down there cause they knew it was going to suck for me. More pot holes then Jersey could ever compete with. There is a reason why its so cheap to live there, cause no one is there doing the jobs that we love doing simply because who ever is doing it down there couldn't get into NYC, which means they werent good enough --> they pretty much suck unless they are petroleum engineers from Texas A&M (those guys are really sharp when trading commodities).

    Southern girls aren't THAT great. Being in Houston, I must admit that the good looking girls had a better "finishing" than North-east girls, however, they were generally pretty stupid or book smart and lacked any type of interest unrelated to being a girly girl. They are very pretty, that I will agree 100% with and they never looked bothered or worried. Just looking for a good time, a beer, and some serious attention to look forward to the sex that she really wants from you. Texan girls in a nut shell.

    The only city in the south I would ever move to is Miami (which is probably not even considered "the south"), to maintain some what a similar level of Prestige.

    so you were not good enough for new york? fitting

  • happypantsmcgee's picture

    +1 for Houston if for no other reason than I like not freezing my nuts off

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • SLO89's picture

    "No woman from anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of Texas will ever treat you as well as a Southern girl. It's in their DNA. You won't find the angry species of uptight doctoral-candidate-in-Women's-Studies-at-Brown with a two-ton chip on her shoulder and a disapproving gaze in the South. Southern women actually enjoy being women."

    Might be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Bravo,

  • Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture

    At different times in your life you have a different perspective on it. I came up in New York and played the city for every last bit it was worth. When I hear guys extolling the virtues of NYC I can't help but to laugh. There's absolutely nothing tying you to New York with the exception of living a marketing campaign's wet dream.

    But I guess everybody's gotta learn the hard way.

  • thedude86's picture

    I will be honest, besides the "GRITS," Houston does not have much to offer....

  • anaismalcolm's picture

    As a Southern girl, I would like to agree with OP's thoughts on them and add a little. It's true we delight in our femininity (hair, make-up, not afraid of showing off the tight curves), but definitely don't think this make all of us dumb -- we can go head to head with Northern Exeter-bred girls any day, we just aren't as in-your-face with looking like "intellectuals," which for many women in the North means looking dumpy and overly serious. People in the South tend to be much more polite and find the humor in life, which is really refreshing.

    I'm from Atlanta (Buckhead specifically), and after living in New York as just an intern, it confirmed that ATL feels very small and insignificant from a world perspective. Housing there is really cheap right now, though, but the job market is still in a pretty big slump. I would definitely agree that $150k makes you pretty well off in ATL, but definitely don't pull an attitude about it (unless you're in Alpharetta or some nouveau place) because the old Coca-Cola money people have serious money and you won't find yourself among the social elite for long. When I interned at Bear Stearns in Atlanta (2007), everyone had an insanely high end lifestyle, even the young guys in the wealth management division.

    There are pretty big racial problems, but the reverse of what it was 50 years ago, mostly among the government. If you're into politics, it'll be frustrating, as they divide the districts to fuck Buckhead over into paying for the cesspool that is the inner city. Among professionals/those not in the inner-city, it's much less racially divided than in the North (which I was really surprised by once I came up here).

    Final thought: given what I've seen about how guys on here view marriage, be careful about the South (at least Atlanta). If you aren't married by 30, people tend to think you have something wrong with you.

  • tyrets's picture

    I dated two girls in a row from Austin, coincidently, and they were both awesome. And I mean that beyond sexually. I've decided that whenever I grow up and mature and am ready to get married I'm going to do like Eddie Murphy did in Coming to America when he flew to Queens, but I'm going to fly to Austin to get my bride.

  • In reply to K3
    sofib09's picture

    Khara 3alekon:

    I was down at Shell for its Commodity Trading Final rounds, Houston is a dump. The quality of life was so shitty that I felt like I was stupider or of worse caliber then I thought I was. Shell probably offered me 100+k to move down there cause they knew it was going to suck for me. More pot holes then Jersey could ever compete with. There is a reason why its so cheap to live there, cause no one is there doing the jobs that we love doing simply because who ever is doing it down there couldn't get into NYC, which means they werent good enough --> they pretty much suck unless they are petroleum engineers from Texas A&M (those guys are really sharp when trading commodities).

    The only city in the south I would ever move to is Miami (which is probably not even considered "the south"), to maintain some what a similar level of Prestige.

    1. I hardly think that Houston, the energy capital of North America, is for someone that "couldn't get into NYC".

    2. I do appreciate the shout-out for Miami...been cold as f*** lately, but it'll be beach-friendly weather by the weekend.

  • Troll's picture

    From a non-American(Indian) perspective. Northern (uptight, arrogant) girls suck!

    I came to America to see Southern chicks. Even if just to see them! I am stuck in Jersey City and I absolutely hate this place. I dream of the days when I'll permanently settle down in the South.

  • In reply to anaismalcolm
    happypantsmcgee's picture

    anaismalcolm:
    As a Southern girl, I would like to agree with OP's thoughts on them and add a little. It's true we delight in our femininity (hair, make-up, not afraid of showing off the tight curves), but definitely don't think this make all of us dumb -- we can go head to head with Northern Exeter-bred girls any day, we just aren't as in-your-face with looking like "intellectuals," which for many women in the North means looking dumpy and overly serious. People in the South tend to be much more polite and find the humor in life, which is really refreshing.

    I'm from Atlanta (Buckhead specifically), and after living in New York as just an intern, it confirmed that ATL feels very small and insignificant from a world perspective. Housing there is really cheap right now, though, but the job market is still in a pretty big slump. I would definitely agree that $150k makes you pretty well off in ATL, but definitely don't pull an attitude about it (unless you're in Alpharetta or some nouveau place) because the old Coca-Cola money people have serious money and you won't find yourself among the social elite for long. When I interned at Bear Stearns in Atlanta (2007), everyone had an insanely high end lifestyle, even the young guys in the wealth management division.

    There are pretty big racial problems, but the reverse of what it was 50 years ago, mostly among the government. If you're into politics, it'll be frustrating, as they divide the districts to fuck Buckhead over into paying for the cesspool that is the inner city. Among professionals/those not in the inner-city, it's much less racially divided than in the North (which I was really surprised by once I came up here).

    Final thought: given what I've seen about how guys on here view marriage, be careful about the South (at least Atlanta). If you aren't married by 30, people tend to think you have something wrong with you.

    The true litmus test...how do you feel about a guy dipping?

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • In reply to happypantsmcgee
    anaismalcolm's picture

    happypantsmcgee:
    anaismalcolm:
    As a Southern girl, I would like to agree with OP's thoughts on them and add a little. It's true we delight in our femininity (hair, make-up, not afraid of showing off the tight curves), but definitely don't think this make all of us dumb -- we can go head to head with Northern Exeter-bred girls any day, we just aren't as in-your-face with looking like "intellectuals," which for many women in the North means looking dumpy and overly serious. People in the South tend to be much more polite and find the humor in life, which is really refreshing.

    I'm from Atlanta (Buckhead specifically), and after living in New York as just an intern, it confirmed that ATL feels very small and insignificant from a world perspective. Housing there is really cheap right now, though, but the job market is still in a pretty big slump. I would definitely agree that $150k makes you pretty well off in ATL, but definitely don't pull an attitude about it (unless you're in Alpharetta or some nouveau place) because the old Coca-Cola money people have serious money and you won't find yourself among the social elite for long. When I interned at Bear Stearns in Atlanta (2007), everyone had an insanely high end lifestyle, even the young guys in the wealth management division.

    There are pretty big racial problems, but the reverse of what it was 50 years ago, mostly among the government. If you're into politics, it'll be frustrating, as they divide the districts to fuck Buckhead over into paying for the cesspool that is the inner city. Among professionals/those not in the inner-city, it's much less racially divided than in the North (which I was really surprised by once I came up here).

    Final thought: given what I've seen about how guys on here view marriage, be careful about the South (at least Atlanta). If you aren't married by 30, people tend to think you have something wrong with you.

    The true litmus test...how do you feel about a guy dipping?

    Special case: I'm allergic to tobacco, so it would cause problems for obvious reasons.

  • In reply to anaismalcolm
    happypantsmcgee's picture

    anaismalcolm:
    happypantsmcgee:
    anaismalcolm:
    As a Southern girl, I would like to agree with OP's thoughts on them and add a little. It's true we delight in our femininity (hair, make-up, not afraid of showing off the tight curves), but definitely don't think this make all of us dumb -- we can go head to head with Northern Exeter-bred girls any day, we just aren't as in-your-face with looking like "intellectuals," which for many women in the North means looking dumpy and overly serious. People in the South tend to be much more polite and find the humor in life, which is really refreshing.

    I'm from Atlanta (Buckhead specifically), and after living in New York as just an intern, it confirmed that ATL feels very small and insignificant from a world perspective. Housing there is really cheap right now, though, but the job market is still in a pretty big slump. I would definitely agree that $150k makes you pretty well off in ATL, but definitely don't pull an attitude about it (unless you're in Alpharetta or some nouveau place) because the old Coca-Cola money people have serious money and you won't find yourself among the social elite for long. When I interned at Bear Stearns in Atlanta (2007), everyone had an insanely high end lifestyle, even the young guys in the wealth management division.

    There are pretty big racial problems, but the reverse of what it was 50 years ago, mostly among the government. If you're into politics, it'll be frustrating, as they divide the districts to fuck Buckhead over into paying for the cesspool that is the inner city. Among professionals/those not in the inner-city, it's much less racially divided than in the North (which I was really surprised by once I came up here).

    Final thought: given what I've seen about how guys on here view marriage, be careful about the South (at least Atlanta). If you aren't married by 30, people tend to think you have something wrong with you.

    The true litmus test...how do you feel about a guy dipping?

    Special case: I'm allergic to tobacco, so it would cause problems for obvious reasons.

    I'll go ahead and cross sending a scandalous PM off my list of shit to get done this morning then...

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • WallStreetBB's picture

    Jay Z said it best "city is a pity, half of ya'll won't make it".

  • rjroberts1's picture

    I think the point that a lot of the people here are missing is that outside of NYC you can have a much better quality of life, if you're actually looking to enjoy life. If your goal is to try to match the hype from the books and the movies and the websites that you have to wear a $2k suit everyday, work 90 hours a week, do the models & bottles deal, then you just don't get it. For those of us above 22 who like the idea of having a backyard to grill out in, being able to actually see your family and friends and not deal with the hassle of living in NYC, the south can be a great place to be.

  • craigmcdermott's picture

    As far as the women go, a prep-schooled, Ivy league woman from anywhere will have the necessary finish. However, if you're referring to the legion of SEC sorostitutes (which you appear to be since you mentioned football) then I'll pass.

  • TheKing's picture

    I'm still shaking my head at the dude above who used a capital 'P' in "prestige."

  • Dr Barnaby Fulton's picture

    "No woman from anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of Texas will ever treat you as well as a Southern girl. It's in their DNA. You won't find the angry species of uptight doctoral-candidate-in-Women's-Studies-at-Brown with a two-ton chip on her shoulder and a disapproving gaze in the South. Southern women actually enjoy being women."

    -- Sick and tired of people (especially New Yorkers) going on and on about how the only good women outside of NY are Southern women. The only women north of the Mason-Dixon line who are uptight and working on a PHD in Women's studies are Boston/DC/NYC women. Women in Chicago are equally as hot as women in the South. Every hot sorority girl from the Big 10, Big 12, wants to move to Chicago after they graduate.

    "If you aren't married by 30, people tend to think you have something wrong with you."

    Absolutely true in the south. While Northern women are looking for a PHD, southern women are looking for the MRS, and most of them aren't looking to marry some yank. Even if he has money. If you're driving a "baller car" in the south, people won't think you're a baller. They'll probably think you have a small dick.

    And I'm sorry, but Houston is a shit hole. Dallas, Austin, Atlanta -- even San Antonio, is much better.

  • In reply to K3
    Merger_Mandrill's picture

    Khara 3alekon:
    Need a hot chic, wait until fashion week and get to know one of the Versace Models who doesnt have a green card (and hopefully you do).

    I hope this isn't your best method of getting a chic in NYC because that is just sad. Primarily due to the fact that if you are at the VP level or below there is no way a model is going to give you the time of day when there are plenty of men that make real money in NYC to court them.

    Khara 3alekon:
    There is a reason why its so cheap to live there, cause no one is there doing the jobs that we love doing simply because who ever is doing it down there couldn't get into NYC, which means they werent good enough

    Having spent time in NYC and now back in a southern city I can assure you that just because someone is based outside of NYC doesn't mean they aren't good enough to make it in NYC. Many of us put in our time as analysts and associates in NYC and then got out because it is true that the quality of life in other cities is much better when you are making essentially the same salary/bonus and have a cost of living that is often 4 or 5 times less than NYC. And those that started their careers outside of NYC likely did so because the thought of sharing a one bedroom convertible apartment with 3 or 4 other guys like you just wasn't appealing.

    Khara 3alekon:
    The only city in the south I would ever move to is Miami (which is probably not even considered "the south"), to maintain some what a similar level of Prestige.

    When you make a statement like this it makes me wonder how you ever made it in NYC.


    “Whatever you do, don’t be a victim. If you’re in a bad situation, try to fix it. If you can’t fix it, move on. Don’t whine.” --Jack Welch

  • In reply to DatGreyPoupon
    petergibbons's picture

    DatGreyPoupon:
    What about dudes with yellow fever?

    You are familiar with the West Coast, right?

    Life, liberty and the pursuit of Starwood Points

  • Argonaut's picture

    Houston is one of the fattest cities and it usually shows. I see a lot more pretty people in Dallas than in Houston, and the first time I went to NYC (many years ago) I couldn't believe I went the entire day without seeing someone obese.
    Another bad thing about Houston is lack of planning and zoning. You might buy your mcmansion, and there's no one to prevent some enterprising soul from opening a liqueur store right next to it.
    Also you will often see very nice homes on one side of the street and little shacks complete with worn out parachute sized underwear hanging on the clothesline right across the street
    Houston is very ethnically and culturally diverse, and the idea of southern belle does not translate all that well. Also do not think for a second that southern women survive solely on their love of man and sex - someone is usually already paying (outta the ass!) or will be soon - for the boob jobs, hair bleaching, fake tans, and manicures.

    More is good, all is better

  • HFFBALLfan123's picture

    Houston is not a city you can just pop into and have an awesome time (like NY or Chicago), but to make a blanket statement that Houston is a dump is the most ridiculous statement ever. Who wouldn't like to live in a nice area like Memorial or River Oaks, golf in December, and have your vacation home 1 1/2 hour flight away in Cancun. I moved to Chicago from Texas recently and can back up Dr. Barnaby's statement that girls up here are just as hot as in the south. If you think money is not to be made in Houston or the type of talent in Houston is not on par with NY you're crazy. Sorry to break it to you but all of those BSD MD's at GS, MS, and other BB spend half their days sucking some nice big MLP dick....Pleas don't voice you rebuttal unless you have actually spent longer than 2 weeks in a major city in the south. With that being said, Chicago is the best city in the country in the summer, hands down.

  • In reply to SLO89
    Otter.'s picture

    SLO89:
    "No woman from anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of Texas will ever treat you as well as a Southern girl. It's in their DNA. You won't find the angry species of uptight doctoral-candidate-in-Women's-Studies-at-Brown with a two-ton chip on her shoulder and a disapproving gaze in the South. Southern women actually enjoy being women."

    Might be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Bravo,

    +1 for this being both funny and true.

    Hi, Eric Stratton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you.

  • In reply to mr_bigglesworth
    Argonaut's picture

    mr_bigglesworth:

    I have friends in LA, they said that everyone get DUIs, since you have to drive everywhere, and it's too far to take cabs. I can go out drinking all night, and not have to worry about who's going to drive me home, and I don't know anyone with a DUI here.

    You don't have to worry about driving if you live in West Hollywood, everything's close

    More is good, all is better

  • dave742's picture

    I think it all boils down to where you are in life.

    Honestly, there is no place better for a single, mid-20s male working in finance than NYC. In terms of work, there are more opportunities to network and get ahead here than anywhere else. In terms of a social life, are you really going to compare Houston to NYC? I also think there is an unbelievable mix of girls available in NYC: hipster chicks, preppy chicks, southern chicks, cali chicks, career-driven chicks, model chicks, etc. In Houston or any other Southern city, you're going to get more Southern chicks looking to get hitched than any other kind. Also, why do you need a McMansion when you live by yourself?

    Flip that around, if you are a married, mid-40s male with kids working in finance, NYC is probably the worst place for you. If you are worth anything, you have established yourself career-wise. Socially, you have a wife and kids so why do you need options other than a top notch country club and a good group of couples to call your friends (On a side note, I believe that marriage is a stupid idea but if you do get married, you should be committed. Half is a lot to lose). $25k for childcare is absurd. Cost for prep school is absurd. Cost of a 1500 sq ft, 2br apt is absurd.

    The notion that you are settling or failed to make it in NYC so you are moving to the South is nonsense. Most reach a point in life where family becomes more important than career and, if that's the case, moving away from NYC is probably the best bet.

  • In reply to Troll
    Otter.'s picture

    masterofpuppets:
    From a non-American(Indian) perspective. Northern (uptight, arrogant) girls suck!

    I came to America to see Southern chicks. Even if just to see them! I am stuck in Jersey City and I absolutely hate this place. I dream of the days when I'll permanently settle down in the South.

    Also, when reading this I can't help but think of Taj from Van Wilder talking about how he wants to "smack clam, munch rug, dine at just one American pink taco stand."

    Hi, Eric Stratton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you.

  • In reply to DatGreyPoupon
    LBT's picture

    DatGreyPoupon:
    The South sucks for people who don't want to drive or live in McMansions. There are also few Asians in the South which sucks for guys like me who have yellow fever.

    I'd be very unhappy in the South.

    Houston and Dallas have k-town and veits...

  • monty09's picture

    agree on zoning... house behind me is 1.2 million..house in front of me and three to left is 18k...

  • weeds499's picture

    NYC is expensive, but I think that article is a bit extreme. I at one point made $60k, and did not rotate ramen into my diet, nor did I live in Albans, Queens, wherever that is.

    I lived in Tribeca in a modern, doorman building, went out every weekend, took normal international vacations and saved a nice chunk (at least for a 22 yr old right out of college). Granted, I had no college debt, worked in banking so hours were decent, but I had little savings when I started and no parental help. I enjoyed going to super nice restaurants, and still cooked when I could/wanted to, and never thought twice about jumping in a cab.

    I just think a lot of people are idiots financially here - especially right out of college. If you make $40k, why are you living in a midtown high rise, and eating out every night? Thats how you start living like a homeless person when that CC debt piles up. I'm not a frugal person, but if I were making $25k in advertising, I would either live intelligently or just move to a city which gives me more for my money (if that is your goal).

  • shorttheworld's picture

    i love nyc for the foodie aspect but im also considering moving into energy arena in houston which has the added bonus of affordable real estate and much lower taxes and better weather (heat vs cold) although i do like the seasons. i dont think you can really shit on one or the other, its like saying back door mark vs banker bob

  • Stringer Bell's picture

    Edmundo's a word genius and David Simon here beneath will close out this NYC argument pat:

    That's right, shut the fuck up convoluted NY fuckers.

  • bi-coastal's picture

    I'm a female who has spent time in NYC and Houston (as well as many other cities both inside and outside the USA). My views on NY and Houston are as follows:

    Houston: Great city. Great arts and food scene, lots of young professionals, diverse, decent nightlife. It's an ugly city in parts but I have always loved my time in Houston and have many friends there who say the same. People (especially women) make a bigger attempt to dress up for every-day routines.

    New York: What I love about NY is that it is the only city in America that has a real "city" feel. You can drink without worrying about driving. NYC is expensive but there's a sensation you get when you live here that I haven't felt anywhere else. Some of the women here are "unfinished" (swear a lot, don't put effort into their appearance unless necessary) but you get a massive diversity of people (as someone said above). If you're preppy, hipster, fratty, geeky, foreign (from any country), goth - you can find a home in NYC. That's true to a lesser extent in Houston. NY can have a real anonymous feel for transplants.

  • SAC's picture

    My cousin's current and ex-girls have both been from Houston and its amazing how different they are from the typical NY bitch. So much nicer, caring, nurturing and more feminine.

    That being said, for a guy like me who hates driving, southern cities would be a pain to live in.

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    Otter.:
    SLO89:
    "No woman from anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line or west of Texas will ever treat you as well as a Southern girl. It's in their DNA. You won't find the angry species of uptight doctoral-candidate-in-Women's-Studies-at-Brown with a two-ton chip on her shoulder and a disapproving gaze in the South. Southern women actually enjoy being women."

    Might be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Bravo,

    +1 for this being both funny and true.

    The caricatures of the Southern and Northern women painted by the article and the posters above are stereotypes which don't describe anyone I know well and i've lived in both Texas and NY for a matter of years (spent a few months in Houston but most of my time in Austin). Intellectually and career-wise, my Southern female friends and my NY female friends are on par.

    I don't even see that massive of a personality difference once you get past the accents and mannerisms. I had a few Southern friends in NYC and we got together with my NY friends. All the girls got along very well and if someone passed by the table without lingering long enough to listen for accents, you wouldn't be able to tell the Northerners and Southerners apart. My NY girls all love to dress feminine and fashionable - just not necessarily when walking down to the supermarket for a 10-minute errand. None of us are bimbos or womens' studies majors, but there's a lot of law/finance/medicine represented among my NY and Southern girlfriends so we're no slouches.

    People love their sports in NYC too - it's just NFL instead of NCAA.

    From a girl's perspective, guys are just as douchey in both NY and the South - it's just a different brand of douche. Like saying "what food's spicier, barbecue chicken wings or Thai". Southern guys have the edge for making the better first impression, but that doesn't count for much in my book.

    I find Southern/Midwestern guys better looking than guys in NY but that's a matter of personal taste. There are also plenty of guys from the South/Midwest in NY, but as said above, since there isn't one dominant type in NY you sometimes get the "where are all the cute boys/girls" sensation regardless of your preferences.

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    Stringer Bell:
    Edmundo's a word genius and David Simon here beneath will close out this NYC argument pat:

    That's right, shut the fuck up convoluted NY fuckers.

    You brilliant SOB. Showing a clip of The Wire was genius.

    I'm not sure whether to give you an SB or throw some shit at you, because now I'm going to spend at least the next 3 hours re-watching old episodes.

  • In The Flesh's picture

    I like Southern girls. I also like Asian girls...so I guess either would be fine with me in that regard. :)

    That being said, I won't deny that it's crossed my mind at how expensive New York is and it might be worth it to move somewhere else. Honestly though, like many on this board I grew up in New York so I'm biased towards it. You get addicted to the big city amenities, and it's hard to picture anything else. That being said, so many New Yorkers are so incredibly ignorant of the world outside Manhattan. That guy had it right with the map: New Jersey, then China.

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  • smiths429's picture

    The blanket statement that Houston is for people who couldn't make it in NYC is BS.

    I know quite a few traders at BB firms in NYC who want to move to Houston for energy trading or who have already done so.

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    DatGreyPoupon:
    The South sucks for people who don't want to drive or live in McMansions. There are also few Asians in the South which sucks for guys like me who have yellow fever.

    I'd be very unhappy in the South.

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  • Virginia Tech 4ever's picture

    Eddie, I agree with your sentiments, but please don't send anymore Blue Staters down to our states so they can bankrupt us, too. Saddest thing I've ever witnessed is the liberal Democrats of Boston escaping Taxachussets by moving to Republican New Hampshire only to vote in the same socialists who run MA. Keep the goddman socialists away from us!

  • YoungHedge's picture

    I know that the ibanking and buyside jobs are not as prevalent in Southern California, but living in San Diego or the LA area beats both NY and Texas. Great weather all year round, the beach and golf are excellent, cheaper than NY or San Francisco, there is always something to do here, better women than other parts of the country (unfortunately some of them are quite fake both physically and personality wise). As someone whose hobbies are primarily outdoor activities, I would hate to be have to stay inside all summer or winter due to snow or intense humidity. With a career in asset management and hedge funds, I may need to spend some time in NYC to establish myself. However, once I start my own firm, I plan on locating it down in Southern California. Another advantage (at least for buy side entrepreneurs) is that there is a large number of high net worth individuals in Socal versus a minimal amount of hedge funds.

  • In reply to Virginia Tech 4ever
    FinancePun's picture

    Virginia Tech 4ever:
    Eddie, I agree with your sentiments, but please don't send anymore Blue Staters down to our states so they can bankrupt us, too. Saddest thing I've ever witnessed is the liberal Democrats of Boston escaping Taxachussets by moving to Republican New Hampshire only to vote in the same socialists who run MA. Keep the goddman socialists away from us!

    Not to get political, but the money (per capita and aggregate) tends to be in blue states and flow to the red states at the federal level. I get what you mean about state governments, but that has more to do with the higher cost of capital to state govts. The "bankrupt" ones also tend to have the most people (and again, money and influence). Also, MA is the state that elected Mitt Romney governor. Mitt fucking Romney. He's not exactly Josef Stalin.

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