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My group isn't in NYC, but when we work alongside our product group counterparts telephonically -- essentially every single day -- everyone in the NYC office loves to tell me how good I've got it because I'm not in the city.

And I'll admit, I love being in a smaller city, I love paying reasonable prices for food, gas and rent, and I love being able to drive to Wal-Mart to buy everything under the sun without having to worry about items being sold out because I live in an extremely overcrowded city.

But whenever I visit NYC it's always totally awesome.

This board is certainly obsessed with NYC -- it offers myriad things to do, has the class and prestige, is considered by many, even universally, to be the greatest city on earth and is the center of the finance world. As a somewhat frequent visitor, however, I rarely see what you guys have to deal with: cockroaches, $1700 rent amounts for a closet-sized room, constantly overcrowded restaurants and an aging, albeit robust, mass transit system.

This is all to say that it seems rare (and odd) when I talk to someone that is militantly in love with NYC who isn't originally from there.

Yeah, everyone I've ever known who was born and raised in NYC is gung-ho crazy about the city. The transplants, on the other hand, want to all say they "love" it, but at the same time seem pretty overwhelmed by the amount of discomfort associated with living there. And I think the last thing one needs in life when working 16-18 hours a day is _more_ discomfort.

So, monkeys who came to NYC for work and aren't from there originally: do you love it? Do you plan on staying forever, or just for the foreseeable future? Are you counting down the days until you get to move back to a place that's a little more laid-back?

For me personally, doing the banking thing outside of NYC is pretty great -- though I think many people on this board would argue that if it's outside of NYC, it somehow "doesn't count" as investment banking. I disagree with those naysayers wholeheartedly -- what do you guys think?

Stay classy, New York City.

Thanks for reading.

Comments (112)

  • yeahright's picture

    I also know so many people who live in NYC and hate living in NYC I actually love living in manhattan despite the expense. I enjoy the proximity to anything I want to do, and my addiction to cars does not outweigh the requirements of maintaining a car. I do dislike how dirty (trash and people wise) some parts of the city can be, but if you live in the right place even this is avoidable. I grew up in a suburban town outside Boston and plan to stay here for some time, but then would like to venture to either Texas or California for the weather and space.

    Edit: And I had two cockroaches this weekend which is rare. The huge flying ones that snuck in through the window seam. Three all time, I definitely have experienced the terrible aspects but a bug isn't going to make me hate it.

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  • janderson1890's picture

    Telephonically??? Really?

  • FutureLRO's picture

    Why doesn't "anyone" actually like NYC? Are you kidding me? I love living here, and so do the majority of people here. What a stupid thread. I'm happy to hear that your ability to drive to wal-mart is what makes everywhere else better than NYC.

    Btw amazon is usually cheaper and far more convenient than wal-mart, just fyi.

  • snakeplissken's picture

    i think most people who chose to live in nyc love it, myself included. that being said, we love complaining about it. like when people from non-major cities complain about rent, prices or whatever, it's almost like some twisted badge of honor for nycers to retort with a complaint about how tough they have it (tiny, overpriced apartments, expensive beers, etc). i don't know the people you work with, or communicate with, who live in nyc, but try insulting nyc... i bet you'll hear a barrage of reasons why it's 1000x better than wherever you live. i'm not saying whether or not that's true, but as much as nycers complain about living here, we defend our choice to live here like you wouldn't believe.

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  • Anacott_CEO's picture

    We complain about it because we can. Snakeplissken said it best.

  • In reply to FutureLRO
    TheKid1998's picture

    I love amazon.

  • job.resume's picture

    I don't like living in NYC and will be moving out in a few months.

    NYC is great if you like shopping, plays, museums, art, going to expensive restaurants, carrying everything, and nightlife (not necessarily better, just more)

    It's not great if you like playing tennis, going for bike rides, throwing a football around, having a dog, enjoy driving, not being constantly wary of what the weather is, being comfortable in your own home and if you would prefer to grocery shop over going out to eat every meal.

    I imagine it's a lot more fun if you're a girl.

  • CRE's picture

    I'm incredibly jealous that I'm not in NYC, although I guess I can understand why it would get old at some point.

  • SirTradesaLot's picture

    I'll give you a few reasons:

    - cost of living
    - crowded
    - terrorism
    - hurricanes
    - douche bags everywhere
    - too hot in summer
    - too cold in winter
    - it rains more here than in Seattle
    - dirty as shit
    - bums
    - obsession with money
    - Mark Sanchez
    - horrible place to raise kids (even in the suburbs)

    What else you got? I'll probably hate that too.

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  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    Can't speak to NYC, but from the standpoint of another major city I've come to detest Paris. There are a lot of reasons, but I imagine my main complaint would stand true in the Big Apple as well - I'm sick of having a million people up my ass every minute of every day. I'm just fucking sick to death of humanity, and there isn't a square inch in this fucking town that isn't occupied by some dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers tourist or some other lower life form.

  • In reply to SirTradesaLot
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    SirTradesaLot wrote:

    I'll give you a few reasons:

    - cost of living
    - crowded
    - terrorism
    - hurricanes
    - douche bags everywhere
    - too hot in summer
    - too cold in winter
    - it rains more here than in Seattle
    - dirty as shit
    - bums
    - obsession with money
    - Mark Sanchez
    - horrible place to raise kids (even in the suburbs)

    What else you got? I'll probably hate that too.

    Tim Tebow

    At least y'all fixed that one today.

  • mrb87's picture

    DonVon wrote:

    My group isn't in NYC, but when we work alongside our product group counterparts telephonically -- essentially every single day -- everyone in the NYC office loves to tell me how good I've got it because I'm not in the city.

    They're humoring you.

  • koopatroopa's picture

    I love living in New York, and I'm a Midwest transplant. I do miss driving every now and then, and wish I could afford a nicer apartment, but that's about all the complaints I have. Also, the expensive rent is somewhat offset by not having a car/insurance to worry about.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    SirTradesaLot's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:

    Can't speak to NYC, but from the standpoint of another major city I've come to detest Paris. There are a lot of reasons, but I imagine my main complaint would stand true in the Big Apple as well - I'm sick of having a million people up my ass every minute of every day. I'm just fucking sick to death of humanity, and there isn't a square inch in this fucking town that isn't occupied by some dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers tourist or some other lower life form.

    my god, how could I forget tourists? Truly painful.

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  • In The Flesh's picture

    I think you've got it backwards, DonVon. It's the transplants who think New York is the greatest. The people who grew up in the area tend to be the jaded, self-reverent stereotype because they know it's not that great.

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  • In reply to SirTradesaLot
    In The Flesh's picture

    SirTradesaLot wrote:

    Edmundo Braverman:

    Can't speak to NYC, but from the standpoint of another major city I've come to detest Paris. There are a lot of reasons, but I imagine my main complaint would stand true in the Big Apple as well - I'm sick of having a million people up my ass every minute of every day. I'm just fucking sick to death of humanity, and there isn't a square inch in this fucking town that isn't occupied by some dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers tourist or some other lower life form.

    my god, how could I forget tourists? Truly painful.

    You also forgot Mayor Bloomberg.

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  • In reply to SirTradesaLot
    Edmundo Braverman's picture

    SirTradesaLot wrote:

    Edmundo Braverman:

    Can't speak to NYC, but from the standpoint of another major city I've come to detest Paris. There are a lot of reasons, but I imagine my main complaint would stand true in the Big Apple as well - I'm sick of having a million people up my ass every minute of every day. I'm just fucking sick to death of humanity, and there isn't a square inch in this fucking town that isn't occupied by some dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers tourist or some other lower life form.

    my god, how could I forget tourists? Truly painful.

    I hate tourists with the white-hot intensity of a thousand dying suns.

  • Mps721's picture

    There is a difference between going there for a day and working there 300+ days a year.

    Mps721

  • jiggider's picture

    Lived and grew up outside NyC my whole life. I love going to the city and going out at nights. Only a 40 minute train ride very easy. Got a job just oustide of NYC and loving it. Doing the analyst gig right outside the city (white plains) is great. Much lower cost of living. Still a great nightlife. Can keep a car. City is only 20 minute train ride. Stay at friends places when i want to stay over. And am saving way more on rent.

  • In reply to SirTradesaLot
    justin88's picture

    SirTradesaLot wrote:

    I'll give you a few reasons:

    - cost of living
    - crowded
    - terrorism
    - hurricanes
    - douche bags everywhere
    - too hot in summer
    - too cold in winter
    - it rains more here than in Seattle
    - dirty as shit
    - bums
    - obsession with money
    - Mark Sanchez
    - horrible place to raise kids (even in the suburbs)

    What else you got? I'll probably hate that too.

    Cost of living is high because incomes here are high. Are you complaining about the high incomes too?

    Crowded -- the density results in a LOT of benefits. Think about all the diversity of restaurants, nightlife, etc that can only exist bc of the population density.

    Do you mean perceived terrorism? Actual historical terrorist effects are low on a per capita basis.

    Hurricanes -- recency bias. Extreme weather is NYC is largely non-existent.

    Dbags -- NYC people are real not fake. Extreme dbaggery usually comes from BnT crowd, not actually people from NYC.

    Most people like seasons, but this is all subjective.

    Amount of rain in inches/year is not as relevant as % of days with precipitation.

    There are bums in every city, though NYC is dirtier than most. This is an offshoot of the density.

    Obsession with money is more rational than people who work eight hours a day and then claim money isn't important to them. They're in denial.

    Sports in NYC are amazing. We have nine major sports teams, so we're bound to have to have a few bad apples.

    You don't need to optimize for kids until you actually have them. When you do, there are many excellent suburbs in the NYC area if that floats your boat.

  • duffmt6's picture

    I lived in NYC for 2.5 years and had my fill. I still love to visit (and frequently do), but it's better in small doses.

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  • In reply to justin88
    ogofnyc's picture

    justin88 wrote:

    SirTradesaLot:

    I'll give you a few reasons:

    - cost of living
    - crowded
    - terrorism
    - hurricanes
    - douche bags everywhere
    - too hot in summer
    - too cold in winter
    - it rains more here than in Seattle
    - dirty as shit
    - bums
    - obsession with money
    - Mark Sanchez
    - horrible place to raise kids (even in the suburbs)

    What else you got? I'll probably hate that too.

    Cost of living is high because incomes here are high. Are you complaining about the high incomes too?

    Crowded -- the density results in a LOT of benefits. Think about all the diversity of restaurants, nightlife, etc that can only exist bc of the population density.

    Do you mean perceived terrorism? Actual historical terrorist effects are low on a per capita basis.

    Hurricanes -- recency bias. Extreme weather is NYC is largely non-existent.

    Dbags -- NYC people are real not fake. Extreme dbaggery usually comes from BnT crowd, not actually people from NYC.

    Most people like seasons, but this is all subjective.

    Amount of rain in inches/year is not as relevant as % of days with precipitation.

    There are bums in every city, though NYC is dirtier than most. This is an offshoot of the density.

    Obsession with money is more rational than people who work eight hours a day and then claim money isn't important to them. They're in denial.

    Sports in NYC are amazing. We have nine major sports teams, so we're bound to have to have a few bad apples.

    You don't need to optimize for kids until you actually have them. When you do, there are many excellent suburbs in the NYC area if that floats your boat.

    You sound like a loser transplant

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  • prospie's picture

    Wal-Mart kicks ass, actually. All you Wal-Mart haters can SUCK it.

  • allysan1027's picture

    Most people don't like NYC because they can't afford to do all of the things that make NYC awesome.

    I

  • CrazyWaferS's picture

    I have only visited NYC, but I have to agree. NYC would suck to live in compared to many other major cities. London is a way better city to live in. It has better culture, more history, more moderate temperature than NYC, good night life, cheap flights to some of the best get aways in the world, and the list goes on. Also, Canary Wharf kicks ass. The tube sucks, especially if you have to use the Jubilee and DLR, but it's still better than NYC subway imo.

  • Hooked on LEAPS's picture

    I hate large cities, even though I grew up in the NYC suburbs. Taking the Port Washington line of the LIRR for ~25 minutes to my water front estate on the North Shore is more my style, albeit that is a bit out of my price range. =[

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  • In reply to justin88
    SirTradesaLot's picture

    justin88 wrote:

    SirTradesaLot:

    I'll give you a few reasons:

    - cost of living
    - crowded
    - terrorism
    - hurricanes
    - douche bags everywhere
    - too hot in summer
    - too cold in winter
    - it rains more here than in Seattle
    - dirty as shit
    - bums
    - obsession with money
    - Mark Sanchez
    - horrible place to raise kids (even in the suburbs)

    What else you got? I'll probably hate that too.

    Cost of living is high because incomes here are high. Are you complaining about the high incomes too?

    Crowded -- the density results in a LOT of benefits. Think about all the diversity of restaurants, nightlife, etc that can only exist bc of the population density.

    Do you mean perceived terrorism? Actual historical terrorist effects are low on a per capita basis.

    Hurricanes -- recency bias. Extreme weather is NYC is largely non-existent.

    Dbags -- NYC people are real not fake. Extreme dbaggery usually comes from BnT crowd, not actually people from NYC.

    Most people like seasons, but this is all subjective.

    Amount of rain in inches/year is not as relevant as % of days with precipitation.

    There are bums in every city, though NYC is dirtier than most. This is an offshoot of the density.

    Obsession with money is more rational than people who work eight hours a day and then claim money isn't important to them. They're in denial.

    Sports in NYC are amazing. We have nine major sports teams, so we're bound to have to have a few bad apples.

    You don't need to optimize for kids until you actually have them. When you do, there are many excellent suburbs in the NYC area if that floats your boat.


    If NYC hasn't lost the luster for you, usually that means you haven't been here long enough yet. Amazingly, some people like this dump even after staying here a long time. I am not one of them.

    Also, I think people discount the threat of terrorism way too much. I saw what happened on 9/11 and while that was horrible, it would be much worse with a small nuke or some sort of chemical weapon. If someone was going to deploy those anywhere in the US, there's probably over an 80% chance it would be in Manhattan.

    And finally, the 'real New Yorkers' generally are the BnT crowd, not people from Manhattan, most of whom are from elsewhere originally.

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  • Y2A's picture

    I fucking hate it here, I grew up in the suburbs and only moved here 3 years ago, but already sick of it. My girl on the other hand loves it since it reminds her of home (she grew up in a major city in Asia)

  • hiit's picture

    Good in small doses now. Loved the idea of it when I decided to go to NYU, but got pretty tired of it after graduating. Not sure if the good aspects of the city out weigh all the shitty ones, but I am glad I lived there for a while.

  • watersign's picture

    nyc is garbage unless you're making serious money or you're a hot chick..seriously..or..unless you're some kind of homosexual or artist type person..

    alpha currency trader wanna-be

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    labanker's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:

    Can't speak to NYC, but from the standpoint of another major city I've come to detest Paris. There are a lot of reasons, but I imagine my main complaint would stand true in the Big Apple as well - I'm sick of having a million people up my ass every minute of every day. I'm just fucking sick to death of humanity, and there isn't a square inch in this fucking town that isn't occupied by some dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers tourist or some other lower life form.

    Why stay then? Aren't you semi-retired and pretty mobile? Why not find some place warm and uncrowded?

    Can't speak for NYC specifically, but I think in life in one of the major cities in general (NYC, SF, LA, Paris, Tokyo, etc.) can elicit ire because basic life is just a grind so much of the time. You are always in some sort of line, you are always hauling shit up and down things, you are always competing for space and/or resources with a million other people, you are constantly inundated by noise, and someone is always trying to squeeze another dollar out of you. It's the nature of being in the hive.

  • In reply to labanker
    labanker's picture

    labanker wrote:

    Edmundo Braverman:

    Can't speak to NYC, but from the standpoint of another major city I've come to detest Paris. There are a lot of reasons, but I imagine my main complaint would stand true in the Big Apple as well - I'm sick of having a million people up my ass every minute of every day. I'm just fucking sick to death of humanity, and there isn't a square inch in this fucking town that isn't occupied by some dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers tourist or some other lower life form.

    Why stay then? Aren't you semi-retired and pretty mobile? Why not find some place warm and uncrowded?

    Can't speak for NYC specifically either, but I think in life in one of the major cities in general (NYC, SF, LA, Paris, Tokyo, etc.) can elicit ire because basic life is just a grind so much of the time. You are always in some sort of line, you are always hauling shit up and down things, you are always competing for space and/or resources with a million other people, you are constantly inundated by noise, and someone is always trying to squeeze another dollar out of you. It's the nature of being in the hive.

  • TeddyTheBear's picture

    For those of you wanting to go to Texas, I love it here in Houston. However, let me clear up the Texas vs. NYC argument. NYC is great if you are young, don't want to have a family and are extremely career oriented. There is a big rivalry in my bank between the different markets on why each city is better. Houston is not a party city, although there is some decent nightlife, it won't compare to NYC. However, Houston is a city you want to be in long-term, it's laidback, cost of living is cheap. Everyone I work with has a 5k sqft house or bigger, something that most couldn't even touch in NYC. NYC is great if your young and don't care about savings, Texas is more for raising a family and starting a fresh life. One of my NYC analyst buddies visited me in Houston and saw that I had a huge apartment all to myself that was built in 2007 and in one of the nicest areas in Houston. I am paying half the rent he is. Plus we don't got state income tax which helps alot. I am considering moving to NYC mainly because my family is upstate, but when I make enough money, this is where I am coming back.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    BatMasterson's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:

    my god, how could I forget tourists? Truly painful.

    I hate tourists with the white-hot intensity of a thousand dying suns.

    Do they have any Romanian gypsies in NYC like they do in Paris ?

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  • In reply to jiggider
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    CrazyWaferS wrote:

    I have only visited NYC, but I have to agree. NYC would suck to live in compared to many other major cities. London is a way better city to live in. It has better culture, more history, more moderate temperature than NYC, good night life, cheap flights to some of the best get aways in the world, and the list goes on. Also, Canary Wharf kicks ass. The tube sucks, especially if you have to use the Jubilee and DLR, but it's still better than NYC subway imo.

    I tend to agree with you, the problem with London is the weather.
    Can't speak for NYC never been there (even if I would love to).

  • Mitt Romney's picture

    I think that New York does have it's shortcomings, yes.
    However, keep in mind that a lot of people are also there before there's something about the lifestyle that they just can't turn away, once they experience it.

    As for me, I love New York. It really depends on where you live. Downtown can be quite nice in the evening

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  • In reply to job.resume
    meabric's picture

    job.resume wrote:

    I don't like living in NYC and will be moving out in a few months.

    NYC is great if you like shopping, plays, museums, art, going to expensive restaurants, carrying everything, and nightlife (not necessarily better, just more)

    It's not great if you like playing tennis, going for bike rides, throwing a football around, having a dog, enjoy driving, not being constantly wary of what the weather is, being comfortable in your own home and if you would prefer to grocery shop over going out to eat every meal.

    I imagine it's a lot more fun if you're a girl.

    As far as shopping, its all online anyway. Restaurants, museums and the performing arts are all there. Nightlife is good but doesn't really hold a candle to major European capitals, mostly because people you'll find in the clubs. Most of the downsides you list can be managed, some others, such as education, can be unmanageable depending on the situation. The other big downside, cost of living, is less of a consideration for people in this industry/on this board.

    People tend to compare NYC to a college campus and miss the value of all that urban density. Ask buddies in the suburbs how hard it is to meet friends when they are 20+ miles away (rough equivalent of doing to Williamsburg with regard to travel time). The same is true for professional events - again, ask someone in San Jose how often they make it out to SF for things like tech meetups.

    The housing thing is dumb when you consider that NYCers don't need a car/insurance. Sure rent on a studio is $1800 a month, but the payment on a car in line with many of our lifestyles is going to be over $300. As long as you don't actually need the space (i.e. no family/home office/entertaining) who cares?

  • TexasMacaque's picture

    Some people have this weird public transit fetish. There are some advantages to density but it also has downsides (bedbugs, more difficult to haul stuff around, expensive groceries within walking distance, etc.)

    Get work experience in NYC and then move elsewhere - you can always go back and visit.

  • In reply to BatMasterson
    Amphipathic's picture

    Financier4Hire wrote:

    Edmundo Braverman:

    my god, how could I forget tourists? Truly painful.

    I hate tourists with the white-hot intensity of a thousand dying suns.

    Do they have any Romanian gypsies in NYC like they do in Paris ?

    The gypsies alone probably knock Paris 5-10 spots down the best cities list.

  • In reply to SirTradesaLot
    justin88's picture

    SirTradesaLot wrote:

    If NYC hasn't lost the luster for you, usually that means you haven't been here long enough yet. Amazingly, some people like this dump even after staying here a long time. I am not one of them.

    Also, I think people discount the threat of terrorism way too much. I saw what happened on 9/11 and while that was horrible, it would be much worse with a small nuke or some sort of chemical weapon. If someone was going to deploy those anywhere in the US, there's probably over an 80% chance it would be in Manhattan.

    And finally, the 'real New Yorkers' generally are the BnT crowd, not people from Manhattan, most of whom are from elsewhere originally.

    I've lived in Manhattan for almost 10 years. Certainly it's not for everybody, but it gets a lot better once you make enough money to live comfortably and save money. For me, this was after a few years in the business (age 24).

    80% is too high. DC is a big target as well; NYC wasn't the only target on 9/11.

    I've met a bunch of people who commute in from New Jersey and call themselves New Yorkers, LOL.

    Since you don't like NYC, where would you prefer to be?

  • Bearearns's picture

    I personally love walking to work and that is coming from a car enthusiast. Granted I drive every once in a while, but being able to walk to work and break away from the world is nice. Being able to go out any night of the week and having friends who will drink or people that are partying is great. Food is great as you have all sorts of cuisines at your finger tips. Lot of history, artwork, parks, etc. Having anything you want to do all within walking distance, or 10-20 minute cab right is a great feeling.Granted my life is mostly at work so it is nice to have everything close to where I work and where I live. Time is precious.

    That being said the second I get married and have kids, I am moving to suburbs (unless I find myself super wealthy-even then likely wont matter).

  • Champs46's picture

    The easiest way to tell someone's not from NYC is when they talk about how awesome it is

  • In reply to justin88
    SirTradesaLot's picture

    justin88 wrote:

    SirTradesaLot:

    If NYC hasn't lost the luster for you, usually that means you haven't been here long enough yet. Amazingly, some people like this dump even after staying here a long time. I am not one of them.

    Also, I think people discount the threat of terrorism way too much. I saw what happened on 9/11 and while that was horrible, it would be much worse with a small nuke or some sort of chemical weapon. If someone was going to deploy those anywhere in the US, there's probably over an 80% chance it would be in Manhattan.

    And finally, the 'real New Yorkers' generally are the BnT crowd, not people from Manhattan, most of whom are from elsewhere originally.

    I've lived in Manhattan for almost 10 years. Certainly it's not for everybody, but it gets a lot better once you make enough money to live comfortably and save money. For me, this was after a few years in the business (age 24).

    80% is too high. DC is a big target as well; NYC wasn't the only target on 9/11.

    I've met a bunch of people who commute in from New Jersey and call themselves New Yorkers, LOL.

    Since you don't like NYC, where would you prefer to be?

    These are difficult to pull off while you're still working (which is why I'm still here), but Miami or Austin would be ideal. Maybe some small mountain town with a lake, like Tahoe or Coeur d'Alene.

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  • In reply to SirTradesaLot
    justin88's picture

    SirTradesaLot wrote:

    These are difficult to pull off while you're still working (which is why I'm still here), but Miami or Austin would be ideal.

    Yeah, I get crushed on state/local taxes as well.

    It's possible to spend a fair amount of time in Miami (weekends) while working in NYC.

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