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8/11/11

Just saw a freaking mouse walk leisurely in my $2,000 apartment!!!! this city is so god damn filthy. I walk around and it smells like dog piss everywhere, everyone is so rude, subways suck a**.....eh, that was me just venting, but I will probably live here for the next couple of years. Tomorrow I will just walk into a CVS while smelling the fresh piss and trash, buy some mouse traps and hope to catch the little sucker.

Good night!

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8/18/11

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In reply to sharks9022
8/18/11
sharks9022:
Benjammin822:

Come to the South.

The south has all the ladies

It's true, there are tons of gorgeous girls down here but the jobs are lacking and pretty much non-existent. Trust me.

8/18/11

There are only two cities on Earth that are considered Alpha++ Global Cities: New York and London.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city#Global_Ci...

New York ranks at the top of the Global Cities Index (http://www.atkearney.at/content/misc/wrapper.php/i...), the top of the Global Power Cities Index (http://www.mori-m-foundation.or.jp/english/researc...), and at the top of the Knight Frank Global Cities Index (http://www.knightfrank.com/documents/wealthreport/...).

It's not just about finance, it's about infrastructure, communications, transportation, wealth, fashion, art, culture, economic prosperity. It's about global influence. This is fact, not fable.

In reply to awm55
8/19/11
awm55:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487038...

The City of London Corporation puts that out so so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

That being said, London is the undisputed king of FX and international money markets. Considering the size of those markets, it's hard to make the case that London isn't the center of the financial world.

In reply to RonBurgandy
8/19/11

This city-nutswinging really needs to stop. Bantering for several pages about city rank/women/etc is about as pathetic as arguing which car brand or douche is best.

RonBurgandy:

There are only two cities on Earth that are considered Alpha++ Global Cities: New York and London.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city#Global_Ci...

New York ranks at the top of the Global Cities Index (http://www.atkearney.at/content/misc/wrapper.php/i...), the top of the Global Power Cities Index (http://www.mori-m-foundation.or.jp/english/researc...), and at the top of the Knight Frank Global Cities Index (http://www.knightfrank.com/documents/wealthreport/...).

It's not just about finance, it's about infrastructure, communications, transportation, wealth, fashion, art, culture, economic prosperity. It's about global influence. This is fact, not fable.

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In reply to RonBurgandy
8/19/11
RonBurgandy:

There are only two cities on Earth that are considered Alpha++ Global Cities: New York and London.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city#Global_Ci...

New York ranks at the top of the Global Cities Index (http://www.atkearney.at/content/misc/wrapper.php/i...), the top of the Global Power Cities Index (http://www.mori-m-foundation.or.jp/english/researc...), and at the top of the Knight Frank Global Cities Index (http://www.knightfrank.com/documents/wealthreport/...).

It's not just about finance, it's about infrastructure, communications, transportation, wealth, fashion, art, culture, economic prosperity. It's about global influence. This is fact, not fable.

Interesting links - thanks for sharing. It seems like there's a lot of consistency at the top 4 cities - NYC, London, Paris and Tokyo. After that the next 10-11 cities vary from report to report (notably the Knight Frank one compared to others).

Though, I think what most people here are arguing about just the one or two elements of the 5-6 that are used to determine the rankings. Most people here are focused on 'economy' and 'quality of life' (where entertainment is rolled in) ... and everything else they consider secondary. So obviously, how we feel about various cities is also highly subjective and dependent on everyone's own experiences with it.

On another note... I noticed not a lot of people mention Paris or Tokyo in this thread. I've never been to Paris (Eddie can probably tell us), but I loved Tokyo when I went. If I could speak Japanese, I would love to live there for a bit. But I hear it can get grating (the extreme politeness, office protocol, etc.)

Living experience =/= Visiting experience

8/19/11

Toronto is better than all of them... lol thats why we sit geographically higher on the globe lol

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8/19/11

Toronto is better than all of them... lol thats why we sit geographically higher on the globe lol

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In reply to ConanDBull
8/19/11
ConanDBull:

Toronto is better than all of them... lol thats why we sit geographically higher on the globe lol

Not a fan, even though I grew up around there. It's a bit bland compared to other "mega" cities. And our public transit could use a lot of improvements.

I view Toronto in the same light I view Singapore - some entertainment, some good food, less exciting vs. some of the other cities mentioned in this thread, but a good place to raise a family (maybe areas a little outside of downtown core)

In reply to Kanon
8/19/11
Kanon:
ConanDBull:

Toronto is better than all of them... lol thats why we sit geographically higher on the globe lol

Not a fan, even though I grew up around there. It's a bit bland compared to other "mega" cities. And our public transit could use a lot of improvements.

I view Toronto in the same light I view Singapore - some entertainment, some good food, less exciting vs. some of the other cities mentioned in this thread, but a good place to raise a family (maybe areas a little outside of downtown core)

lol I'm talking outta my ass... the right oppurtunity comes up... and im gone... so long T.O. lol

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8/21/11

the south? lol.
I hear the riots in London are great this time of year..

8/21/11

You should check out Prague, Berlin, and Hamburg if you've never been, those are some beautiful cities with culture. I don't know about living in either (only summered in Berlin) but have family who loves living in Berlin and my parents loved Hamburg during their time there

In reply to sharks9022
8/21/11
sharks9022:
Benjammin822:

Come to the South.

The south has all the ladies

True... Try visiting Charleston, SC (not a big city though) when school is in session near summertime.

8/22/11

http://images.businessweek.com/slideshows/20110608...

Most expensive cities... some cities I thought would be in the list aren't there.

8/22/11

I am AMAZED that none of you New Yorkers have mentioned the biggest positive about New York, the main reason to be there, which easily more than makes up for the rest.

New York is the place where the best, most driven, highest achieving, highest potential people go to execute their dreams. New York breathes drive, energy, New Yorkers are incredibly smart, open and determined to get stuff done. New Yorkers will talk to you, no matter who you are, because you might have potential. The women of New York are ambitious (if a bit too liberal) and beautiful. The companies in New York want world domination, not just a few extra % growth in revenue at the end of the year.

If you are truly driven, if you have big dreams, if you want to at least give it a shot, to attempt to be the next PTJ, Tiger, Schwarzman, there is no other place to be. And that, my friends, is why you pay $2,500 for an UWS bedroom with faulty heating somewhere far up, and wait 20 minutes for the f***ing 1 train only to be told that on the way back the damn line is closed 20 blocks around where you live for the next 2 months.

For those of you who just want an easy life, well, what are you doing in finance, but more seriously, consider Zurich. The Swiss go home at 6.30pm, and a 2nd year analyst I worked with had a 1500 sq ft villa with jacuzzi 10min train ride from work. You'll pick up their guttural version of German fast enough.

A few more comments:
- as a non-local-colour guy you might not feel comfortable in some of the less emerged emerging markets, including their capital. After a few months the fun wears off, and you wish you would eat non spicy food and see a road without a hole in it and bloody rickshaws racing 4-aside to crush whoever is trying to cross the road.
- London is the world capital of culture (for now). If culture is your thing, forget about the heavily unionized New York Philharmonic and its tracksuit-wearing, obese, coughing and talking audience and see London's 5 world-class orchestras, incredible modern and old art museums, or take a 1h flight to any European capital once you're bored of London (impossible!).
- Consider the fiscal implications of your move. NYC tax rate is French, London is at 50% marginal (killing its industry, since HMRC is competent unlike its Greek equivalent), but Canton de Vaud is at 8% and Zug even lower. Tokyo has a low rate but high taxes via artificially high goods sold (beefing the keiretsu), high inflation will kill you if you are not nimble in Latin America, HK and Singapore depend on the Chinese financial system not collapsing onto itself... by taking your career to a location, what trade are you making? What are you going long and versus what?

In reply to EURCHF parity
8/22/11
EURCHF parity:

I am AMAZED that none of you New Yorkers have mentioned the biggest positive about New York, the main reason to be there, which easily more than makes up for the rest.

New York is the place where the best, most driven, highest achieving, highest potential people go to execute their dreams. New York breathes drive, energy, New Yorkers are incredibly smart, open and determined to get stuff done. New Yorkers will talk to you, no matter who you are, because you might have potential. The women of New York are ambitious (if a bit too liberal) and beautiful. The companies in New York want world domination, not just a few extra % growth in revenue at the end of the year.

If you are truly driven, if you have big dreams, if you want to at least give it a shot, to attempt to be the next PTJ, Tiger, Schwarzman, there is no other place to be. And that, my friends, is why you pay $2,500 for an UWS bedroom with faulty heating somewhere far up, and wait 20 minutes for the f***ing 1 train only to be told that on the way back the damn line is closed 20 blocks around where you live for the next 2 months.

For those of you who just want an easy life, well, what are you doing in finance, but more seriously, consider Zurich. The Swiss go home at 6.30pm, and a 2nd year analyst I worked with had a 1500 sq ft villa with jacuzzi 10min train ride from work. You'll pick up their guttural version of German fast enough.

A few more comments:
- as a non-local-colour guy you might not feel comfortable in some of the less emerged emerging markets, including their capital. After a few months the fun wears off, and you wish you would eat non spicy food and see a road without a hole in it and bloody rickshaws racing 4-aside to crush whoever is trying to cross the road.
- London is the world capital of culture (for now). If culture is your thing, forget about the heavily unionized New York Philharmonic and its tracksuit-wearing, obese, coughing and talking audience and see London's 5 world-class orchestras, incredible modern and old art museums, or take a 1h flight to any European capital once you're bored of London (impossible!).
- Consider the fiscal implications of your move. NYC tax rate is French, London is at 50% marginal (killing its industry, since HMRC is competent unlike its Greek equivalent), but Canton de Vaud is at 8% and Zug even lower. Tokyo has a low rate but high taxes via artificially high goods sold (beefing the keiretsu), high inflation will kill you if you are not nimble in Latin America, HK and Singapore depend on the Chinese financial system not collapsing onto itself... by taking your career to a location, what trade are you making? What are you going long and versus what?

NYC takes home is less than in London, trust me.

And while I agree Europe lacks that hyper driven attitude that NYC has, the problem with NYC is that its not a city built for people (at least not Manhattan). The neighborhoods are loud and crowded, its hyper dense, lacks green spaces, has no control on emissions or traffic, is dirty as hell, etc. European cities are way way more livable all things considered.

In reply to awm55
8/22/11
awm55:

NYC takes home is less than in London, trust me.

Can you explain how NYC take-home is less than London? Not trying to challenge you, I'm genuinely interested (I want to make the move from NYC to London in the worst way!), and this is contrary to what I've also heard.

In reply to RonBurgandy
8/22/11
RonBurgandy:
awm55:

NYC takes home is less than in London, trust me.

Can you explain how NYC take-home is less than London? Not trying to challenge you, I'm genuinely interested (I want to make the move from NYC to London in the worst way!), and this is contrary to what I've also heard.

There are several tax calculators online, I have compared various salaries and London always comes out on top at the current exchange rate.

In reply to awm55
8/23/11
awm55:

NYC takes home is less than in London, trust me.

And while I agree Europe lacks that hyper driven attitude that NYC has, the problem with NYC is that its not a city built for people (at least not Manhattan). The neighborhoods are loud and crowded, its hyper dense, lacks green spaces, has no control on emissions or traffic, is dirty as hell, etc. European cities are way way more livable all things considered.

Including the environment taxes, bin picking up taxes, etc. I was paying close to 54% in NYC. London marginal is 50%, although VAT is another big chunk off your paycheck. And if we include inflation... ;)

Depends how you define liveable. Everything is closed in Switzerland on a Sunday, and shops close before you get out of work. A takeaway costs you 30 bucks, a pizza 20. Every time I go to Paris I witness a violent incident in the metro (and that pizza is 20 EUR at Pizza Hut, well that was last year, I wonder if it's gone up again).

I don't buy the "dirty as hell" argument (esp. compared to London, Paris or Geneva), nor the "lacks green spaces". For sure if you live midtown you're asking for it, but live next to Central Park (those penthouses on either side are WAY cheaper than village/midtown/soho places) or on the West side and you can go jogging in the morning with loads of trees and a river (Riverside Park). Of course that's a few extra blocks to walk to work.

It's more than drive. Americans have pride in what they do. Europeans, guilt. You have liberals in NYC but they are nowhere near as numerous as in Europe.

In reply to EURCHF parity
8/23/11
EURCHF parity:
awm55:

NYC takes home is less than in London, trust me.

And while I agree Europe lacks that hyper driven attitude that NYC has, the problem with NYC is that its not a city built for people (at least not Manhattan). The neighborhoods are loud and crowded, its hyper dense, lacks green spaces, has no control on emissions or traffic, is dirty as hell, etc. European cities are way way more livable all things considered.

Including the environment taxes, bin picking up taxes, etc. I was paying close to 54% in NYC. London marginal is 50%, although VAT is another big chunk off your paycheck. And if we include inflation... ;)

Depends how you define liveable. Everything is closed in Switzerland on a Sunday, and shops close before you get out of work. A takeaway costs you 30 bucks, a pizza 20. Every time I go to Paris I witness a violent incident in the metro (and that pizza is 20 EUR at Pizza Hut, well that was last year, I wonder if it's gone up again).

I don't buy the "dirty as hell" argument (esp. compared to London, Paris or Geneva), nor the "lacks green spaces". For sure if you live midtown you're asking for it, but live next to Central Park (those penthouses on either side are WAY cheaper than village/midtown/soho places) or on the West side and you can go jogging in the morning with loads of trees and a river (Riverside Park). Of course that's a few extra blocks to walk to work.

It's more than drive. Americans have pride in what they do. Europeans, guilt. You have liberals in NYC but they are nowhere near as numerous as in Europe.

The UES and UWS are nice, but they are busy as hell. The grid system is set up such that you are no more than a 2 min walk from a 4-5 lane road. They just aren't neighborhoods I find interesting or want to walk around. Every street for like 30 blocks looks the same.

In all honesty the only neighborhoods in NYC I would live in are downtown. Though there are basically no real parks down there.

Have you ever lived in both NYC and London? I don't know anyone who thinks NYC is a nicer place to live.

8/23/11

Lived in both, and quite a few other countries.

I prefer the grid system, means I don't need a GPS, and towers are a superior means of housing especially when they look as good as in NYC. When you're stuck on the Central Line on a Saturday getting home, then you have to pack yourself like a sardine in the DLR and get shaken like a salad shaker, you miss the metro, and you especially miss the $10 cabs that would take you home fast and efficiently. After decades in "historic" areas I'm fed up with illogical streets and broken buildings which were efficient 100 years ago, perhaps, and I long for the simple brilliance of saying to someone "yeah I live on 42nd and 5th, ask the doorman at no. 35". And being able to buy food at midnight. Cheap food.

But as I said, for quality of life the real winner is Zurich and if this is your priority, you should move there. Graduate starting is 3x London, which helps a lot.

In reply to EURCHF parity
8/23/11
EURCHF parity:

Lived in both, and quite a few other countries.

I prefer the grid system, means I don't need a GPS, and towers are a superior means of housing especially when they look as good as in NYC. When you're stuck on the Central Line on a Saturday getting home, then you have to pack yourself like a sardine in the DLR and get shaken like a salad shaker, you miss the metro, and you especially miss the $10 cabs that would take you home fast and efficiently. After decades in "historic" areas I'm fed up with illogical streets and broken buildings which were efficient 100 years ago, perhaps, and I long for the simple brilliance of saying to someone "yeah I live on 42nd and 5th, ask the doorman at no. 35". And being able to buy food at midnight. Cheap food.

But as I said, for quality of life the real winner is Zurich and if this is your priority, you should move there. Graduate starting is 3x London, which helps a lot.

NYC is definitely more convenient, I would never deny that. I think I just prefer the character and history in London. I live in a doorman building in central London (which I admit is not common).

And I take the tube only to and from work, on nights out its always cabs or car service. But I definitely see your point.

8/23/11

I have lived in seven countries by now, two cities were London and NYC. Like stated before the requirements to be happy in a job/environment/location are highly subjective. However I also noticed that in my circle of friends the Americans "always wanted to live in London" and the Europeans "always wanted to live in NYC".
The grass is always greener on the other side. When you make a decision to move somewhere just note it might not have to be forever, as an adventure both cities are fantastic, especially if you are young!

my personal comparison:
housing: Better in NYC, the apartments I have lived in were of much higher quality, with more space and better appliances than in London.

Transportation:
Tube vs. Metro: Metro wins. Transport for London has had severe issues in the last years to keep up maintenance, quality of service and security.
If you like driving your own car: FORGET LONDON. Even if you find a decent flat with a garage (unlikely!), you are going to pay congestion charge, ridiculous parking fees and everything is so tiny even a Porsche 911 will feel like a Hummer. On top of that you will be stuck between Rikshaws, buses and every pedestrian jay-walks (I have hit 2 people in 3 years while I had a green light!).

Ladies:
Depends on your taste - I personally prefer English girls (see other thread cute vs. hot).

Culture:
I like both NYC and London, the variety is rich in both locations.

Clubbing:
I prefer the clubs in NYC but think the music/DJs in London are way better.

Quality of life / Overall summary
I would prefer NYC, I might be biased because I have always loved NYC and the USA but think overall you have more space, freedom and green space than in London. In my opinion there is more dirt/rubbish on the streets in London than in NYC (although it doesn't smell as bad as NYC). I think NYC is a city that never sleeps, however in London you will notice that the majority of people do sleep (at least from midnight - 6 am - RE: convenience: shops will be closed in London, even most of the McDonalds and the like during the night).

There is another feeling I have when I am in NYC. Even though the USA/NYC are not as "old" as Europe/London you feel like you are part of something bigger, a nation united under one flag and with common values and interests. Now this might not be true in some individual cases, but overall the sense of community is stronger. I like that.
In London so many citizens seem to be from somewhere else, either studying, having an overseas experience or English but commuting in every single day. The "feeling of a community" and a common identity is much weaker in London.

In reply to BenedictPowers
8/23/11
BenedictPowers:

I have lived in seven countries by now, two cities were London and NYC. Like stated before the requirements to be happy in a job/environment/location are highly subjective. However I also noticed that in my circle of friends the Americans "always wanted to live in London" and the Europeans "always wanted to live in NYC".
The grass is always greener on the other side. When you make a decision to move somewhere just note it might not have to be forever, as an adventure both cities are fantastic, especially if you are young!

my personal comparison:
housing: Better in NYC, the apartments I have lived in were of much higher quality, with more space and better appliances than in London.

Transportation:
Tube vs. Metro: Metro wins. Transport for London has had severe issues in the last years to keep up maintenance, quality of service and security.
If you like driving your own car: FORGET LONDON. Even if you find a decent flat with a garage (unlikely!), you are going to pay congestion charge, ridiculous parking fees and everything is so tiny even a Porsche 911 will feel like a Hummer. On top of that you will be stuck between Rikshaws, buses and every pedestrian jay-walks (I have hit 2 people in 3 years while I had a green light!).

Ladies:
Depends on your taste - I personally prefer English girls (see other thread cute vs. hot).

Culture:
I like both NYC and London, the variety is rich in both locations.

Clubbing:
I prefer the clubs in NYC but think the music/DJs in London are way better.

Quality of life / Overall summary
I would prefer NYC, I might be biased because I have always loved NYC and the USA but think overall you have more space, freedom and green space than in London. In my opinion there is more dirt/rubbish on the streets in London than in NYC (although it doesn't smell as bad as NYC). I think NYC is a city that never sleeps, however in London you will notice that the majority of people do sleep (at least from midnight - 6 am - RE: convenience: shops will be closed in London, even most of the McDonalds and the like during the night).

There is another feeling I have when I am in NYC. Even though the USA/NYC are not as "old" as Europe/London you feel like you are part of something bigger, a nation united under one flag and with common values and interests. Now this might not be true in some individual cases, but overall the sense of community is stronger. I like that.
In London so many citizens seem to be from somewhere else, either studying, having an overseas experience or English but commuting in every single day. The "feeling of a community" and a common identity is much weaker in London.

Housing is definitely better in NYC simply due to the age of the buildings you are dealing with. I also think the food is probably better in NYC as well.

But do you really think NYC has more green spaces and is cleaner than London? That has not been my experience at all.

8/23/11

I agree regarding "grass greener". It is not just an illusion, it depends on where and how you were brought up. If you had an easy life in a mcmansion in one of these comfy US suburbs, and never saw a building older than 50 years until you went to your Ivy, then you will LOVE London which will give you the impression of living in a film, at least for a few years (some forever). In contrast, if you've been brought up in an old-ish city or village in Europe, and then went to Oxford or Cambridge, staying in 800 year old buildings named after the thinkers who shaped modern thinking, you end up longing for plumbing that works, power showers, double glazing, straight flat roads and cheap food. That's the practical side.

Housing is hit or miss in NYC too. I stayed in a pre-war building which may have had a lot of character but def didn't have much heating or noise insulation. How I wish I had gone for that house share with that Elle front page model and her 2 hot friends in Greenwich.

Tube off peak is nicer than the metro since much more frequent and logical. Ever tried to get from one side to the other of Manhattan above say 80th? Driving: agree. It is however better around Canary Wharf where most new developments have underground, secure parking and you can see a collection of Porsches gleaming under the warm yellowness of energy-friendly lights.

Ladies - sure does. I'll take the model-hot New Yorkers, with their appetite for life and incredible careers and education, over the overweight, depressed, "must crush my man's balls on a daily basis" British woman. Again, if you grew up and studied around these hot, easy, smart women you are used to them, but for us Europeans... damn man! We'll happily swap! hehe.

Culture - not a big difference for most people. Would be in say LA or SF vs London. I would argue that 1. the London scene is more sophisticated/more daring (not necessarily a good thing since modern art these days is - philosophically - a race to the bottom) 2. cheaper and more abundant (sure in NYC you have loads of "artists" but they are rehashing the same cliches) 3. more diverse as Berlin, Paris, Barcelona, etc. are close by. I don't think you can see the Vienna Philharmonic as often or as cheaply in NYC. But then again I see the Vienna Philharmonic once every 2-3 years so I am happy to wait and pay.

Agree with the community feel, you guys being mostly yanks helps a LOT since yanks are so much more idealistic and outgoing. Most foreigners become New York like after a while.

Greenery, well, there might be more trees lining London alleys, and the parks might be more often, but there's something about New York parks... and of course if you live on the West Side you are facing a massive forest with a few towers sticking out. There's just so much SPACE in New York avenues, and with the two rivers on each side. You really feel like you can breathe. Whereas London is empty, endless suburbia. Pics speak a thousand words:
http://laroutesansfin.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/...

http://roadsofstone.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/gh...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/images/2005/08...

I also feel freer and able to breathe better in NYC. For sure you don't feel this in Midtown during rush hour, or in Wall Street if not close to the water. But as soon as you hit an ave...

8/23/11

Since when did the MTA start calling it the 'Metro'?

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8/23/11

Well the grass really is greener for Brits in the US and Americans in London because youre experience an entirely new culture. It's a great experience to have as a younger person, to live in a different country.

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8/24/11

I have never been to London, but live near outside NYC and can say Manhattan is not even an option for me. Maybe Tribeca area, but above that is way too much. Brooklyn Heights is awesome, quiet, good food, close to subway, green space, quality of life, and decently priced (apt for 1500? with one bedroom).

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8/24/11

^^^I don't know why anyone would want to live in Manhattan unless they were making 1mm+ per year. The only reason entry-levels do in IB is because it doesn't make sense to live anywhere else and it's worth the cost. There are so many beautiful places to live in NYC that aren't 2k/mo for 350 sf of space, it's just not viable for a lot of people on this site to live in those places. I'm sure plenty of them would love to live in a more spacious/aesthetically pleasing area

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In reply to streetwannabe
8/24/11
streetwannabe:

I have never been to London, but live near outside NYC and can say Manhattan is not even an option for me. Maybe Tribeca area, but above that is way too much. Brooklyn Heights is awesome, quiet, good food, close to subway, green space, quality of life, and decently priced (apt for 1500? with one bedroom).

Where's the good food, green space, and decent prices in BK Heights? You have the Promenade and the up-and-coming BK Bridge Park, but that's about it.

And no way in hell you're getting a 1 BR for $1,500 there. You'd be lucky to find a decent studio for that price.

8/24/11

My cousin lives in a 1 BR share for 1500 a month. Lots of small parks and trees in BK heights. Not in comparison to Central Park, but I mean to say its generally greener feeling (trees near sidewalks, gardens, etc.).

Good prices on Craigslist, hard to find I guess, but its doable. Also, I'm comparing these qualities to those in Midtown Manhattan, not other cities or anywhere else.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

In reply to streetwannabe
8/24/11
streetwannabe:

My cousin lives in a 1 BR share for 1500 a month. Lots of small parks and trees in BK heights. Not in comparison to Central Park, but I mean to say its generally greener feeling (trees near sidewalks, gardens, etc.).

Good prices on Craigslist, hard to find I guess, but its doable. Also, I'm comparing these qualities to those in Midtown Manhattan, not other cities or anywhere else.

Midtown Manhattan is horrendous, no one wants to live there.

8/24/11
futurenymonkey:

Just saw a freaking mouse walk leisurely in my $2,000 apartment!!!! this city is so god damn filthy. I walk around and it smells like dog piss everywhere

"You got rats on the west side
Bedbugs uptown"

(Mick Jagger had it easy... things are much worse today)

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7/2/12

Hey, I was feeling kinda sad with the city then I looked for people who shared the same sentiment about this city with me on google.
I'm from Brazil, and relocated from Canada, for a job downtown.
Well, I have many things to say regarding the posts I read, but I will just comment on the one who intrigued me the most.
I am single and the 4 worst drawbacks I see in NY are: filth of the city, horrible 3rd world looking subway, rats everywhere, and ...tada ugly people. NY has to have the fugliest people I ever saw in my life, and I thought Toronto sucked at that, NY is even worse. These guys are not even average, they are way below the average. Take myself for example, I may not be gorgeous, but I'm fit and at least average, not ugly at all.
So it totally surprised me when I saw posts of people claiming NY has gorgeous women. Well, I don't look at women as I have no interest in them, but at least as far as the guys are concerned, I've never seen so many fuglies united in a single place as NY. The people here could be used to scare rats on the subway with their bad looks, lol.
That is a problem of North America though, not just NY.
I've been to other places like Europe, but many cities in the US have hideous people, obese, too white or too black, awful looks.
I'm not sure, maybe Miami, LA, Chicago are better, but it's no wonder Americans are not famed for being good looking, like some Europeans, Argentinians and Brazilians are.
I'm not saying no one is good looking in NY, some are gorgeous, but very few on a per capita basis, maybe 4%. Sao Paulo Brazil has at least 20 times as many good looking people as NY.
Besides, I think our parties are more exciting, the people are more social and open to meet new people, and the food is the most amazing I ever tasted (god, I miss it so badly and I will probably move back by the end of the year.) Living abroad is always tough.

In reply to jrsousa2
7/2/12
jrsousa2:

Hey, I was feeling kinda sad with the city then I looked for people who shared the same sentiment about this city with me on google.
I'm from Brazil, and relocated from Canada, for a job downtown.
Well, I have many things to say regarding the posts I read, but I will just comment on the one who intrigued me the most.
I am single and the 4 worst drawbacks I see in NY are: filth of the city, horrible 3rd world looking subway, rats everywhere, and ...tada ugly people. NY has to have the fugliest people I ever saw in my life, and I thought Toronto sucked at that, NY is even worse. These guys are not even average, they are way below the average. Take myself for example, I may not be gorgeous, but I'm fit and at least average, not ugly at all.
So it totally surprised me when I saw posts of people claiming NY has gorgeous women. Well, I don't look at women as I have no interest in them, but at least as far as the guys are concerned, I've never seen so many fuglies united in a single place as NY. The people here could be used to scare rats on the subway with their bad looks, lol.
That is a problem of North America though, not just NY.
I've been to other places like Europe, but many cities in the US have hideous people, obese, too white or too black, awful looks.
I'm not sure, maybe Miami, LA, Chicago are better, but it's no wonder Americans are not famed for being good looking, like some Europeans, Argentinians and Brazilians are.
I'm not saying no one is good looking in NY, some are gorgeous, but very few on a per capita basis, maybe 4%. Sao Paulo Brazil has at least 20 times as many good looking people as NY.
Besides, I think our parties are more exciting, the people are more social and open to meet new people, and the food is the most amazing I ever tasted (god, I miss it so badly and I will probably move back by the end of the year.) Living abroad is always tough.

Funny, I visited Brazil and thought most of the same things. I disliked the women, the food bugged me, and I thought the poverty and dirtiness was unbearable.

To each their own, huh?

7/2/12

You know when you stop judging people, the people you would be relatively attracted to flow to you naturally. Judging people is the best way to shut your self off to the world. Youre doing yourself a disservice by judging other people. But hey do what you do, I live across the country in California.

7/2/12

@smokey

I will disagree with that, totally. I didn't just visit NY, bro, I've lived here for 8 months, it's different, so I know just the heck I'm talking about. NYers are a fugly bunch, and the people in NY is not sophisticated all.
Brazilians in SP are way more than you guys, regardless of that country being emerging and NY being considered the developed world, though I don't really see the fitness of those classifications.

Besides, I doubt you've been to Rio or Sao Paulo, or the south, but if you've been there and you didn't see any hot or good looking brazilians, then you're confirming the stereotype that the average american is dumb and uncultured.
Well, I've always heard americans saying that brazilians are hot, you guys spread this stereotype, so if you disagree with that, then your fellow americans didn't make a good judgment, did they?

Brazilians are among the highest ranked in the beautiful people danish website, to deny that they are among the hottest is just stupid or trying to block the sun with a screen. Or maybe ignorance of someone who knows very little about Brazil.
I for one know that being the greatest exporter of food commodities in the world, and with people who can cook, it has to have the best food in the world.
A brazilian restaurant in SP ranks the 5th best in the world according to some proven restaurant rating entity.

if you failed to grasp these Brazil upsides, then you've learned very little in your little visit there.

7/2/12

I think the problem is that Brazil is not the typical hot spot for Western finance professionals who tend to occupy this website here.

Otherwise I have been to Brazil - it is a great country.

Also - I don't understand the benefits of having beautiful people around you all the time? In larger cities you get up in the morning, commute to the office, do your time, hang out a bit and get home and sleep.

In reply to jrsousa2
7/2/12
jrsousa2:

Brazilians are among the highest ranked in the beautiful people danish website, to deny that they are among the hottest is just stupid or trying to block the sun with a screen. Or maybe ignorance of someone who knows very little about Brazil.
I for one know that being the greatest exporter of food commodities in the world, and with people who can cook, it has to have the best food in the world.
A brazilian restaurant in SP ranks the 5th best in the world according to some proven restaurant rating entity.

if you failed to grasp these Brazil upsides, then you've learned very little in your little visit there.

Troll or bitch?

In reply to jrsousa2
7/2/12
jrsousa2:

@smokey

I will disagree with that, totally. I didn't just visit NY, bro, I've lived here for 8 months, it's different, so I know just the heck I'm talking about. NYers are a fugly bunch, and the people in NY is not sophisticated all.
Brazilians in SP are way more than you guys, regardless of that country being emerging and NY being considered the developed world, though I don't really see the fitness of those classifications.

Besides, I doubt you've been to Rio or Sao Paulo, or the south, but if you've been there and you didn't see any hot or good looking brazilians, then you're confirming the stereotype that the average american is dumb and uncultured.
Well, I've always heard americans saying that brazilians are hot, you guys spread this stereotype, so if you disagree with that, then your fellow americans didn't make a good judgment, did they?

Brazilians are among the highest ranked in the beautiful people danish website, to deny that they are among the hottest is just stupid or trying to block the sun with a screen. Or maybe ignorance of someone who knows very little about Brazil.
I for one know that being the greatest exporter of food commodities in the world, and with people who can cook, it has to have the best food in the world.
A brazilian restaurant in SP ranks the 5th best in the world according to some proven restaurant rating entity.

if you failed to grasp these Brazil upsides, then you've learned very little in your little visit there.

Sorry bro, are you comparing the filth of New York to that of Sao Paulo? And the cuisine? You probably eat at Bubba Gump Shrimp in Times Square and are using that as your basis of comparison. Go out to Flushing for Korean food. Maybe Jackson Heights for Ethiopian. Venture out to Brooklyn for pizza. Try one of our steakhouses. I think you need a little help...

7/2/12

I think you need to pack your bullshit and head back to Brazil. If you do not like NY move the eff out. Trust me pumpkin, we do not want you here.

I may not be on the Jedi Council, but I sure am great with the Force.

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In reply to jrsousa2
7/2/12
jrsousa2:

@smokey

I will disagree with that, totally. I didn't just visit NY, bro, I've lived here for 8 months, it's different, so I know just the heck I'm talking about. NYers are a fugly bunch, and the people in NY is not sophisticated all.
Brazilians in SP are way more than you guys, regardless of that country being emerging and NY being considered the developed world, though I don't really see the fitness of those classifications.

Besides, I doubt you've been to Rio or Sao Paulo, or the south, but if you've been there and you didn't see any hot or good looking brazilians, then you're confirming the stereotype that the average american is dumb and uncultured.
Well, I've always heard americans saying that brazilians are hot, you guys spread this stereotype, so if you disagree with that, then your fellow americans didn't make a good judgment, did they?

Brazilians are among the highest ranked in the beautiful people danish website, to deny that they are among the hottest is just stupid or trying to block the sun with a screen. Or maybe ignorance of someone who knows very little about Brazil.
I for one know that being the greatest exporter of food commodities in the world, and with people who can cook, it has to have the best food in the world.
A brazilian restaurant in SP ranks the 5th best in the world according to some proven restaurant rating entity.

if you failed to grasp these Brazil upsides, then you've learned very little in your little visit there.

Are you actually comparing a place with a GDP per capita of 45k/year to that a place with a GDP per capita 15k/year?

Laughable.

7/2/12

Let's get to the point: FUCK YOU

....welcome to NYC, bitch

Get busy living

In reply to UFOinsider
7/2/12

A lot of you mentioned that NYC is not necessarily the place to be for certain industries. For someone interested in oil and gas, how does a BB IBD stint prepare you exit opps-wise for a career in O&G in a place like Houston?

In reply to guyfromct
7/2/12
futurectdoc:

The best part of the city is the diversity

how PC of you

In reply to awm55
7/2/12
awm55:

Downtown is a great place to go out, but its cramped and not close to any parks.

Battery Park, ma man! Best neighborhood in the whole damn town. Feels like a city unto itself. Extremely family-oriented. Loads of free activities, events, and concerts scheduled nearly every week. Everything is fairly new. Nice and quite. Right on the water. No subway. Not pretentious at all. Battawee Pahk Numbah Wan!

In reply to turtles
7/2/12
turtles:
awm55:

Downtown is a great place to go out, but its cramped and not close to any parks.

Battery Park, ma man! Best neighborhood in the whole damn town. Feels like a city unto itself. Extremely family-oriented. Loads of free activities, events, and concerts scheduled nearly every week. Everything is fairly new. Nice and quite. Right on the water. No subway. Not pretentious at all. Battawee Pahk Numbah Wan!

Agree, if I stay long term and move into NYC, that's where I'd go. Being 15 minutes by subway from the fun areas of NYC is great. Being able to have some peace and quiet in a neighboorhood with almost no outsiders is excellent: seriously, very few non-finance people spend any amount of time down here.

Get busy living

7/2/12

Some Americans are not just fugly, like NYers, they are stupid and presumptuous.
Why does everything need to revolve around money, per capita income and that trash?
Then, the cliche, "we don't need you here", is so deja vu. If you don't need me here why did you
drag me out of Brazil into NY for this job, you almost begged me to take this job, because there's
simply not enough of you guys to fill out the vacancies, you have like an unmet demand for IT professionals.
I'd prefer to live in an exciting place whose per capita is 15K but eat delicious food and hook up
with male superhotties, then live in a place where the per capita is 45K but have to have the displeasure
of looking at fugly people on the subway, sweat my ass on a rat filled subway, and walk on allegedly
glamorous streets that are just filthy streets because the mayor doesn't care.
I'm not a bitch, I'm a dude, people.

The people here are really unsightly, and I always thought people in Brazil were just being anti-American
when they said Americans are fugly.

I disagree with that though, many of you are gorgeous, just not in NY. In NY only 2-4% of the people are good looking, and the rest are fugly as fudge.

In Brazil we have income concentration, in NY you have beauty concentration, a few guys are amazingly hot and everybody else is fugly as fudge. hehehe

Well, enough of this rant, I just thought I'd let you know. It seems in NY you value people with possessions, I value people with good looks, hence the disconnect.

7/2/12

But, NY has some upsides, like, I like how the people here are not stuck up or conceited.

I just think that it sucks for getting laid.

In reply to jrsousa2
7/2/12
jrsousa2:

you have like an unmet demand for IT professionals

you are a disposable fax machine repair man

Know your role

Get busy living

7/2/12

LOL LOL

I like you guys due to your high level of sophistication...hahahaha

7/2/12

NYC fucking sucks
get out when you can bros

In reply to Disincentivy
7/2/12
Disincentivy:

I think you need to pack your bullshit and head back to Brazil. If you do not like NY move the eff out. Trust me pumpkin, we do not want you here.

In reply to jrsousa2
7/2/12
jrsousa2:

LOL LOL

I like you guys due to your high level of sophistication...hahahaha

I actually have respect for good bo/IT ppl, they hold things together...just ask GS expats who choke without a good platform (cough, CORZINE)... but considering the focus of most people here, you're not treated well if you have a lousy attitude. Come to a country and look down your nose at the tiny bit you've seen...poor form. This country has enclaves of thousands of cultures, yours included.

THAT'S our culture.

Get busy living

7/2/12

I was actually being sarcastic with the sophisticated comment. Though, I don't hate NYers at all, I just think they're not good looking.
They're not obnoxious and stuck up as Brazilians from Sao Paulo, for example, those people are really hard to get along.

7/3/12

well, that wasn't very nice, fugly.

I don't care for money and finance nerds, I just care about sex and good looks.

Yes, I'm shallow, but i'm a genius, I'm the best programmer in the world.

i already wasted more time here than i'd hoped, so, leaving...

bye, uglies, try not to choke on the ginas...

7/3/12

Ouch.. and yet my goal is to work there for my first 2 years out of university haha

In reply to Brady4MVP
7/5/12
Brady4MVP:

Living in NYC is awful unless you're rich. The rent is outrageous for the substandard piece of crap apartment you get, there's trash and filth everywhere, and for a single guy, there just aren't that many attractive girls. It's probably the most overrated city in the world.

Could have quoted any post in the thread, here's my take. I've been in NY 5 years now after going to school in LA and then spending 2 years in Chicago. When moving to Manhattan you can find a $1200-1500 apartment in a nice area so long as you're willing to have a roommate. You've gonna grocery shop and pick your spots when to go out, happy hour spots. A year or two of that and you should be making enough money in finance to move up to a nicer building where you're gonna pay $2500+ a month. You won't find NY to be that dirty if you choose a decent area. UWS, UES, Tribeca, Battery Park, West Village are all about as clean as a you-name-it next tier city. That said NY is definitely over priced, yet there's just not enough land in Manhattan to justify a fall in prices (needless to say how many more people rent now compared to when everyone was buying when I moved here). You can get just about anywhere in the city in 30-minutes for $2.25.

Career opportunities in finance are incomparable to other cities. People essentially rotate into various sectors and take a step up when need be, the chance to be discovered, recruited, and promoted in the industry are significantly higher than in other cities. In Boston, Philly, Chi, LA etc. you're much more locked into whatever job you've chosen - especially post-crash era.

Like any city NY has target rich areas, difference is that in NY you can bring a hot corporate girl home with you. On paper the average girl in Manhattan should be better than other northern cities but I think it's just about even with Chicago (and above Boston, Philly etc mostly because the career-oriented nature of the city/expenses drag things down). Where NY differs is on the top-end. Go to the Plaza Hotel day or night, Meatpacking Dist at night, West Village and you will see 9s and 10s. Go to Tao. If you live here you know where to go, if visiting then probably not. NY girls are more approachable, everyone walks, drinks, and cabs. They out number us and so long as you're decent at life you can have a good looking girlfriend. LA is too weird/flaky/parasitic, valuing connections and money over all else, while Chicago is much too conservative for my liking (there's tons of 7's but the lack of basic sophistication always turned me off to them). I just got back from East Hampton this morning and saw tremendous talent all over. Brunettes, blondes, smart, dumb, models, PR wannabe broads, tri-state rich girls. There's no scene quite like a strong Hamptons party/polo (I don't own or even share there, just tag along for the ride once in a while). Between Jersey, LI/Hamps, Newport (best summer place ever), Boston/Cape you have so many places to go. So long as you have a good job being in NY is where it's at until your mid 30s.

The places I'd avoid like the plague to call home: 14th, 23rd, Murray Hill. Otherwise NY is fine.

7/5/12

All you just said is that being rich is cool, therefore being rich in NYC is cool. That's it.

If you're making 250k/year in virtually any city in the US you can get a good looking gf.

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7/6/12

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