Networking pro tips

Hey guys

As you all know networking is key to get sought-after positions. I have a specific question that wouldn't apply to the many other networking threads. So a little context: I've been networking extensively through my schools alumni database and setting up a decent amount of calls. I get to learn a lot about the industry however, I can't seem to get to the next step where they can basically update me about my application status or "recommend
me". Any tips on how to address this without saying hey I applied to your company's program can you push my app?

Thank you

 

End every conversation by asking "what's your company's recruiting cycle look like for this year?" or "where are you guys at in the process?" etc. This method is good because it usually leads them into asking you for your resume - it is my go-to. Alternatively, you can ask in the follow-on email where they are at, and ask if you can be included. Never say "push my application", it comes across as arrogant. You have to be soft, but confident in your interest.

 

Interview timeline? Or recruiting timeline? They probably have no idea when exactly their interviews are happening, but they do probably can speak to where they are at in the process (i.e. we haven't had interviews, we have had interviews, we are done, etc.). But if that's really the case, then reach out to different people. Expand your network. Ask to be connected with another analyst.

 

I maintained an spreadsheet of everyone I have ever spoken to as well as a little comment section on any little details I could bring up in a future email or conversation. Early in the networking process, it is best to keep in contact every 1.5-2 months, even if you just send them a quick note of who else you have spoken to in the firm.

My biggest advice would be to follow up with the people you have already spoken to and let them know of any new conversations with people in the same bank. By doing so, the analysts you speak to feel valued as a mentor, they see that you are making your rounds throughout the bank, and they can follow up with the new person you just spoke with. And like the comments above, I would ask where are you guys in the recruitment process/timeline.

 

Hey thanks that's definitely great insight, I also have a sheet where I keep everyone I talk to with details about them and also how the first call went (to know what type of person they are). How do you tell them who else you've spoken to in the company without sounding like you're name dropping

 

A gentle nudge or follow up email saying "Hi Jon, Thank you for offering to foward my resume. I greatly appreciate it and look forward to speaking soon etccccc." should do the trick. This then enables you to bring up the persons name should you land an interview etccc.

 

I normally send followup emails/notes the day after. I know people can forget/get busy, if it's been like a week or 2 after and you haven't heard anything, what would be the best way to respond?

 
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A gentle nudge or follow up email saying "Hi Jon, Thank you for offering to foward my resume. I greatly appreciate it and look forward to speaking soon etccccc." should do the trick. This then enables you to bring up the persons name should you land an interview etccc.

I normally send followup emails/notes the day after. I know people can forget/get busy, if it's been like a week or 2 after and you haven't heard anything, what would be the best way to respond?

 

I usually approached this a little differently but just me. I would set up an informational call with them, ask them a few broad questions. Then I'd follow up and thank them for their time, ask if they could take the time to meet for coffee. Then I'd get more detailed in what I was trying to accomplish and what advice they had. Then assuming this went OK, usually if they were generally interested in helping me they would naturally say 'hey send me your resume we are hiring' or something along those lines. Then I would say "OK i'll get it to you in the next couple of days or whatever" and then this gives you an excuse to 1) send them a thank you email the day after and then 2) send a final follow up email with your resume. This process worked fairly well for me. You have to think of networking like sales, it comes down to prospecting and touch points. You don't want to just throw your resume around everywhere because it makes you look desperate and you end up wasting your time on dead-end prospects. Easing into a rapport with someone is the best way to both gain trust from people you are trying to woo and ensure that you are spending time on the opportunities that have the best % to convert to a job.

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good stuff, and I highly doubt that there will be anything technical involved in the call. VP is probably looking to help answer any questions that you might have regarding their recruiting process and timelines, but also gauging whether you are likable, seem smart, and genuinely interested in the firm. beyond that, dont stress it, and ask to stay connected as you move through the process.

 

Thanks. My thoughts are that it is probably a positive that I specifically know what I want to do. I am curious as to how likely it is for someone to move from a Business Development/ "Sales" position at a private investment management group to a Sales position at a BB/MM/Boutique Ibank. I should have probably mentioned that I am mostly interested in the performance based environment IB provides. I am not sure if the performance/reward relationship is found in a private firm such as this.

 

To the extent that you are a good salesman, you can sell anything. That being said, sales for an investment management firm has nothing to do with sales in S&T. More importantly, sales is not a career path towards portfolio management. If you want a performance based environment, any sales role would be fine. You eat what you kill. Doesn't matter if you're selling steak knives or mutual funds.

My advice would be figure out what you really want to do and use this meeting to learn more about your contact.

 

I don't see the problem with emailing them. And they probably don't check their LinkedIn as often as their email.

 

In real estate, being good on the phones is a skill rarely found in the younger cohort yet highly prized by the older-school crowd. So if you can get their phone numbers, I would be way more impressed with an articulate VM than with a generic email of 'hey let me meet with you under the guise of wanting to get coffee even though we both know that we will be too polite/formal to order what we really want at the coffee shop so we will really just be mindlessly talking and feigning interest in each other's goings-on even though it's clear that all I want is a job.'

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cosigning this. I was introduced to a pretty high level guy in AM. We exchanged maybe one or two emails and then he called me and talked to me for 45+ minutes.

 

I met with a Sr. VP of one of the big 3 brokerages and he advised me to contact two MDs via phone. Straight up call them, leave a brief voicemail (practice what you'll say before the beep), or talk to them if they answer. He told me that people in brokerage respect you getting their attention without being a pain in the ass about it. I was able to connect with both MDs that way.

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There are tons of people on LinkedIn. I don't tailor it to each individual person unless I really want to talk to them. Otherwise I just apply their name to the company e-mail and blast away, just changing the first name. I e-mail one person at an office per week if the firm is smaller (until I get a response), but with bigger firms, you can probably e-mail a few more people at a given time. Just don't BCC everyone.

 

For these types of cold-emailing techniques, what do you write in the body of your email?

Is it essentially your cover letter and expressing interest in their firm, or do you ask more for an informational interview with the person and hope things will branch out from there..

 

I'd ask to have a brief chat with them about their background/company/company process if this is your first time getting into a conversation with them.

If it's near recruiting season I would be aggressive and try to politely ask them to refer your resume to HR or ask to speak with somebody else.

If it's well in advance of recruiting season, I would just thank and let them know that you plan to stay in touch and will ping them occasionally.

 

Treat them as friends. Come to nyc ans grab coffee/drinks if of age. Make them want to help a friend, not an undergrad from their alma matee.

 

I'm not sure; I've found that usually if you want an interview you need to set that expectation before you speak to them. In other words, they need to see you as a potential candidate for their firm from the outset. I have made a lot of friends through networking but IME what you want to do is be very direct about who you are, what you've done, and what you want from them. You can go indirect and keep in touch but you'll end up developing a lot of relationships that won't end up as an interview. There's nothing wrong with that at all, but if that's not what you're looking for you may end up disappointed.

 

The easiest way to drop a strong hint would be asking them about their backgrounds; how did you get into IB? what did you do to break in from a non target? what are your future plans?

After that, voice some admiration and that you aspire to follow the same (or similar) path. Ask them what the situation is at their bank and if they'd be able to help you when recruiting comes around.

Wrap it up and put a bow on it. If this doesn't work, then they weren't interested in helping you anyways, so the point is moot. However, if they've given you their time and have entertained the idea of speaking with you, you already have some good signs. As kidflash said, try to become "friends". The last thing you want to do is come off as someone that uses people as an ends to their own means without giving anything back.

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End of the day its a casual internal meeting. Do it even if it will make your current boss hate you, because if he is like that you need to move ASAP before he can torpedo your reviews to keep you, and otherwise there is no downside.

 

I think its great that you have many options to reach out to.

However, I think yes you might be weaker if you play all your cards at the same time.

1) You're not likely to get that much more value from 2 intros. Spend your time preparing to blow their minds with your profile. Much higher ROI in my oppinion.

2) Remember you can still reach to the Head after.

 

Don't think of small talk as "wasting their time" - it's building a personal connection and turns the call from an interrogation into an actual conversation. These phone calls aren't 100% about you getting to learn about the firm/industry; it's networking and trying to get the other person to remember you and have a good impression. Probably 75+% of the stuff you'll hear about their job will be something you already knew/should've known or cookie cutter stories about culture. And trust me, we'll enjoy the conversation much more if we're talking about our hobbies/interests than have to explain our jobs in HR/compliance-friendly terms for the 10th time this week.

 

email the intern by replying to the original email and ask what times would be available for rescheduling or if you should just go through the job posting.

As for the questions you asked, you shouldn't have imo. It doesn't matter who you're interviewing with (should treat it the same regardless), always bring extra resumes and a notepad with you in those folder things, and should've just asked about the job duties when you got to the interview (if they weren't clear, they'll usually explain at the start of the interview)

 

With a small firm, they might not want to put a lot of muscle behind recruiting. This could be one reason they have an intern sending out invites to interviews rather than an HR rep. My suggestion, just wait until they reach out to set up an interview again. If the post is up for a week and you don't hear anything, I would wait until about 10 days after the post was put up to just email the intern, inquire about the post and just to remind them that they seemed interested and that you remain interested in a potential position.

 

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It sounds like a solid enough relationship that it shouldn't be a problem to give him a call, express an interest in IB and ask him if he knows any bankers. He may not, but then again, he may. I don't know what kind of a rec you could get from him considering you've never worked for him, but him referring you to a banker shows his seal of approval - usually if someone is putting you in contact with a colleague/friend, it's because they think you're an alright candidate (at least).

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You have until next winter to show him you have an interest in banking. Don't come right out and mention a job, but show him that banking is what you want to do (and for the right reasons). Update him every once in a while on what you've been doing and with questions that you have. He'll know you're looking for a SA next summer and you want to be fresh in his mind come winter.

 

Next year when recruiting begins, apply to the position. E-mail him and ask him how he's doing, how things are etc etc. Tell him you applied for the SA position with his bank, and ask if there's anything he could do to help with the process. Also ask if you could come visit him in the office, talking to people in the firm will be immensely helpful come interview time.

 

Alright thanks for the help, I'll try and meet him again some time but I'm sure I'd assume that would come after talking to him over email/phone a few times. Last question, should I go ahead an email him now and follow up during the summer, or is that too early?

 

You can shoot him a quick 'thanks for chatting' type email. Just a couple of sentences and say that you will keep in touch.

 

Well, start with following up with him...

He may introduce you to someone under him and say "do the best you can" or he may be a great contact. Just e-mail the guy with your resume attached and saying something like:

"had a great time at meeting you and getting to learn more about the company. In your opinion what is the best way to go about getting an internship at the company? I've attached my resume for your reference."

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Alright, I have two questions, well one is more so a story, but I would like advice on both.

So I reached out to a VP today at a BB, we had an informational interview, and she was refusing to answer my questions. She thought I was conducting an interview, umm, it's called an INFORMATIONAL INTERVIEW, hello? She is from another country, so she may not be aware of the whole networking thing. Anyway, conversation lasted for about 25 minutes, but is there anything I can do here to salvage the connection or should I fuck it and move on? Honestly, she seemed like complete snobby bitch, because she thought she was so damn special. She literally spent 8 minutes telling me the shit she owned, like WTF? I don't give a fuck.

Also, I have spoken with analysts at a BB, conducted informational interviews, and they told me to contact them if I ever need anything else. Anyway, how can I go about following up with them and asking for referrals to more senior people? Our conversations have been great, but I would like to speak with some MD's.

Thanks for reading my post/rant, and any help is appreciated.

The most important factor in networking is getting the other person to like you. The best way to do that is to get him/her talking about his/her favorite subject.. them. With the VP, you may not care about what she owns, but she's giving you 8 minutes of conversation fodder. She obviously likes the shit shes owns, so ask her follow up questions about something and keep her talking about herself. If the person you're talking to likes you, then they may go to bat for you and connect you with someone else. I'd be willing to bet the last thing she wants to talk about is work. You can find all the "information" you need about the job by spending 30 minutes on Google (+ see M&I's day in the life of an [insert finance job title]).

 

Network during the summer as much as you can without compromising your job performance - given that it's probably understood/expected that you won't be returning to this place FT since you're a sophomore (and since you want to end up elsewhere), if the bankers at the boutique seem receptive, see if they can introduce you to their friends etc in the industry.

In my experience, it is much easier to network/have people meet with you when you're currently in an internship as opposed to when you're trying to find one, so use the opportunity wisely.

 

Thanks for the advice guys. Hours at the summer internship are pretty lax (9-5ish + lunch break), so I think I should be able to at least get in a phone call every other day.

Two questions: 1. What time is best to schedule a call with analysts/associates 2. Should I limit the number of alumni I network with at each bank? (I'm worried that people might catch on to the fact that I'm probably asking the same questions over and over)

 
  1. whatever time works best for the person you're trying to talk to
  2. absolutely - why on earth would you try to have 1 or 2 conversations with 5 different people at a bank without getting to know/building a relationship with any single person?

I highly recommend only building a relationship with 1-2 people at any bank, but genuinely becoming friends etc - I've received interviews/bypassed the application process (submitting applications online etc) at more than one bank because of the relationships I've developed with bankers, and I've never actually asked anyone for help in the process - it was always "hey I think you'd be great here, send me your resume" kind of stuff. This is much more effective than having 1-2 conversations with a few people and then asking someone to forward your resume, as if you know someone well they will really go to bat for you. The plus side of this approach is you genuinely make new friends and build a strong network

 

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I would listen to HR for a few reasons.

  1. Using firm internal directories for networking is pretty risky. You have privelaged access to the database for work purposes, the second you start making it for personal gain you run the risk of pissing a lot of people off. If someone doesn't want to respond to a cold email/call from someone external, that's an easy decision. If it is someone internally within the firm, that looks somewhat unprofessional (unless you actually know the person) and can very easily be reported to your manager (if that person wants to go so far). Not to mention, if you end up working with the person in your current role, you are already the kid who's bothered someone who may not have wanted to talk to you.

  2. You've told HR. All that needs to happen is for someone who doesn't want to be receiving cold emails to forward yours on to HR. I can't imagine that would go well.

I'm sure some people have has success with internal cold emails, but if someone goes to an alumni event internally, their goal is likely to network. If they are attending in person, assume they want to meet people and expand their network internally. That's completely acceptable and a perfect time to start meeting FO people. But, assuming they may want to talk just because you have their email (I.e. cold emailing), that could go wrong very quickly. Especially if the only reason you were able to email them is because you have access to it through your job.

 

This is a great subject, being that the time for bringing up interviews and using these connections is "prime." (It would be nice if you gave a serious answer oasising.)

First and foremost, realize that contacts are your greatest asset- above GPA, WE, exra curriculars, and so on. When first contacting alumni, I would not bring up internship opportunities. Just reach out and seek as much information and perspective as you can get. Alumni know why you are reaching out- they have been there before.

I am a bit confused on your usage of "internship opportunities." Do you mean flat out asking to get your resume looked at by those who matter, or just inquiring about more info about internships?? I take it that you imply the former.

Try and build a relationship first. Definitely contact them on premises that deal in and out of banking (i.e. asking how Thanksgiving was, Xmas, the latest football game, common interests, as well as the latest banking news and their take on it.) Try and show lots of enthusiasm for the firm. Most of the time, if they have a say in the interview/selection process, they will mention something about it, and in such case, asking for internship opportunities is definitely appropriate. If they aren't part of the process, and you have built a good relationship with him/her, then ask if you can have the contact of an HR/Recruiter for your school. I'm sure that they'll be more than happy to give you the info, pass along a great word, or even forward your resume.

 

You should've contacted him before your interview to ask for advice on how to get that right. Definitely touch base with him, mention that you applied to his firm but didn't get the summer job and will be applying for a full time, if he could give you any advice on that etc. If you're applying for a different group ask if he could refer you to someone in that group.

 

Professors are a great place to start: they know a TON of people, and their departments are often a networking nexus, even if unoffically so. Be mindful that academia is extremely political and be on your best behavior: decades down the road, they may refer other job seekers to you, just to give an idea of how established some networks are. I've done the following with great success:

  1. go to office hours
  2. turn them into a mentor/friend
  3. express your desire to work in finance and ask for their advice
  4. ask them for help
  5. always be thankful for their time

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Same position. I'll share what I did, hopefully it helps; otherwise it might just be an amusing story of failure.

  1. Networked hard coming out of my internship, having spent the summer on the buy-side at a small PE shop I didn't have the option to return as a FT hire and needed to build up contacts in IB.

  2. Things looked good in August, but as we got rolling I got fewer and fewer return calls and blahblahblah FUCKED!

  3. I had to decide whether I was actually retarded and couldn't make it in IB...

  4. Decided I wasn't retarded and realized I needed a plan so I called a shitload of people to talk about the next step

  5. Decided that an MSF program would give me the solid branding and a better Alumni network of a target school which I deduced (after deciding whether I was retarded or not) was something that would really help. Not sure if the MSF route is for everyone, but I decided it was really the missing puzzle piece b/c on paper I look pretty good.. minus the target school.

  6. I'm currently 'positioning' myself for off-cycle internships and hoping I get into the schools that I want. Basically saying that I will be attending an MSF and I want the opportunity to intern before beginning the program at XYZ schools.

  7. Hopefully it works.

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The short answer is do all of those things you just mentioned, and keep thinking of more ways to reach out to people. That said, don't ask for a job. Nobody is going to just hook you up on first impressions, however well you came off. Maintain a dialogue with your contacts, ask them specific questions about their firm, etc.. Your interest in a job will be naturally apparent. Half the time, your contact will initiate the job discussion by offering to accept your resume, or even just by asking you if you're planning on applying.

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Key to networking is talking to anyone and everyone. When I realized that I wanted to get into investment banking...I started talking to anyone who I was even remotely connected to who was in investment banking. I'm talking friends of friends, friends of professors, anyone.

1)Sit down and think about which of your friends have parents in finance, do the same for your parents friends, etc and just start writing names down. E-mail those people for informational interviews.

2)If you go to a target or semi...you most likely have a really great alumni directory. Find a friend or someone who graduated recently and get their login to the alumni directory...search for people in IB/PE/HF/AM and send them emails asking for informational interviews...the alumni connection helps out a lot

3)When I would get an interview with a bank or saw a bank post something on OCR...I would go on linkedin (only works if you have a good amount of connections) and in the search box, search companies and type in the bank I was interviewing/wanted to interview with to see who in my network knew people at that bank. I would then ask them to connect me, ask for an informational interview, and then utilize that relationship when interviews started.

Really you need to spend 80% of your time on recruiting on networking...it is more important than grades, your technical knowledge, and your background.

Go get em. Don't give up. Hope this helps

XX
 

If you are within a reasonable distance of him ask him if he wouldn't mind grabbing lunch one day to discuss how he broke into the industry/what's working for X like/etc. If you're an aspie mother fucker with no social skills stick to e-mail. Good luck.

In person>phone>e-mail in this situation

If you can't get a meeting then get him on the phone. If you can't get him on the phone then just e-mail him and hide under a rock while you cross your fingers.

 

You could also try and use this contact (who has stated that he's willing to help you) to meet all of the people in his rolodex who are at other banks.

I am willing to bet that this alumnus doesn't have any jobs open in his group, or else he would have offered to let you interview for it, so he's doing the next best thing and helping you network.

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play on his ego; dont mention the junior guy but rather emphasize that u've been looking for someone higher up to talk to. gives him no reason to actually bring this up with anyone else and theres probably little chance of him bringing it up with the person u already contacted. if u ever see them together, the junior guy will just be surprised that u know someone more senior, but u can bs out of that by telling him later that you didnt feel like bothering him about it and with the senior guy u can tell him that the junior wouldnt have been as good of a source so thats why u went up the food chain.

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Yes.

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Stop planning and just do some shit is the best advice I can give you

  1. Call, don't be afraid of telling someone on the phone how awesome you are and why they should hire you.. emails go 'unresponded'

  2. MM/boutiques aren't easier to get into.. actually its probably the opposite they ask more technicals and care waaaayyy more about fit so targeting them for the 'easier' route is stupid mindset... I'd target a MM/boutique firm b/c they might be easier to get on the phone

  3. Your background is unimpressive, do something to fix it! Yesterday!

  4. No one gives a fuck about your motivation/passion when they see non-target and that you basically do nothing except want to earn a huge paycheck without paying your dues.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'
 

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I re-read my post and think I sounded like a douchebag, but I came from a non-target as well and while some people are well-connected even though they go to a target, I wasn't so fortunate and either are you. Just go hard for whatever it is.. I spent interned last summer in PE and went through banking recruiting this year with no offers wtf.. now I'm going to be a long-term intern w/ another PE fund; its not what I wanted, but I needed something. Don't be afraid of getting desperate, just don't appear that way.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'
 

Unless you're at a target PE/HF game will be a hit or miss type of thing, I actually ended up as an intern at a fund b/c I networked with the managing partner at first just for a few introductions with bankers. Fast-forward a few months and I only had a few crappy offers for mid/back-office roles and I said 'what the hell' and asked him if I'd ever be able to intern for his fund. He thought about it for a few weeks and then got back to me and basically told him that he liked me, but it was up to his team if they'd have me or not. I interviewed w/ another partner, VP, and Associate which were some of the most technical interviews I've had (I think it was technical b/c its a small shop [they want someone at least competent enough not to be a burden], it's PE and not just IB, and they can be picky as they only bring on 1 intern a season).

To your question about interning in PE I was used heavily in the modeling process for deals that they normally wouldn't put together a model for b/c well.. I was there and why not. That being said I brought in a considerable amount of Excel knowledge and coupled with my accounting/finance dual background was able to put together/project a basic income statement for a deal in my first three days. Up till this point I had been doing 'research' and diligence on certain items and markups, but nothing more meaningful and this served as a bit of a litmus test I think. After that they figured out that I could do some basic modeling w/out asking a million questions and could work fairly quickly in Excel I got more and more projects and was actually allowed to work on models for deals that they were really interested in pursuing, not just the 'let see what it looks like' ones.

While my experience was awesome, I also know some other guys that interned in PE that did almost no modeling or really any meaningful work, but I think outside of the funds with formal intern programs (megafunds) that you probably won't have access to it will be hit or miss. I think if you're included in the interview process for any PE fund try and tease out what kind of stuff you'll be doing or allowed to do.

With recruiting I think I got a lot of second looks even though I'm from a non-target given the fact that I had transactions experience on there and could walk through my deals/knew financials/story etc. well. So even though its not IB, it's complementary and worth pursuing even more so than a back-office job. You'll still have to network if you do end up interning in PE, but pursuing SA positions for IB / PE and maybe the HF space will give you more options.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'
 

I am going to keep plugging. I am determined to land something. Even if I have to call/email every single MM/Boutique/BB/PE/HF and offer free work.

The only problem with offering free work is they think you will just quit on them because many people would not work those hours free... Some though would love even that opportunity knowing they will be working damn hard to make the most of it.

 

Do you have any close friends who work at that BB? Ask them to check out the directory to find out which department that guy works in.

 

No friends or contacts at the BB, this individual is actually the only alumni I could find at the particular bank, thus my eagerness to make use of the contact.

Do you think it sounds arrogant to email asking about investment banking when I have no working knowledge of the person's specialty? I would have no way of preparing for an informational (i.e. recent transactions, industry specific questions).

 
mountainvalley:
No friends or contacts at the BB, this individual is actually the only alumni I could find at the particular bank, thus my eagerness to make use of the contact.

Do you think it sounds arrogant to email asking about investment banking when I have no working knowledge of the person's specialty? I would have no way of preparing for an informational (i.e. recent transactions, industry specific questions).

i always just ask to talk about investment banking. as long as you actually understand what his division does, i don't think he'll grill you too much about their recent transactions/time sensitive info.
 

i think you can also look at "viewers of this profile ha also viewed..." and see what division those people are in, might give you an idea. If not, just email him and say you want to ask about his career. When he emails back, it should say what he's in in the signature.

I don't accept sacrifices and I don't make them. ... If ever the pleasure of one has to be bought by the pain of the other, there better be no trade at all. A trade by which one gains and the other loses is a fraud.
 

Is your school close by where he works? One angle is to tell him that you are in the club he used to be in and mention you are looking for alumni to come speak at the club to share their experiences. Then you can ask him what he does. He will probably be flattered and say no, but at least you will have made some connection with him and he might be more willing to help you out.

 

Go up to him and say "Hey, my name is ___. I've been following your firm and the transactions you're making at PE firm ____. How is that coming along (add something about finance to let him know you're in finance)?" Its like talking to a girl. Don't be scared. If you don't say anything, you'll have ZERO chance of a good network. And I am sure you'll see him again. And he will remember who you are.

 

Try and be casual while still maintaining professionalism during the conversation. What I mean is do ask educated questions, but if a non-banking topic comes up, feel free to converse about it - it will help establish the connection.

I'd say to start by briefly introducing yourself, and end it with a reason why you wanted to speak to him, i.e. "And so at this point, given my interest in banking, I was hoping to talk to you to understand the industry a little better and hear any advice you may have for me." Then, ask him to briefly introduce himself too if he doesn't do it on his own. After that, you want to ask questions based off what he told you about your story (this will require you to think of questions quickly, but the more you network the easier this becomes). Questions like "What made you want to get into ________ at first?" or "How come you made the transition from ____ to _____?" are some good go-to ones. This should last a good 10-15 minutes. Then, ask a couple of questions that you've prepared in advance that you really want answers to, like the ones you mentioned in your post. At the end, thank him for his time (obviously) and mention that you'll keep in touch.

Overall, don't worry about the call. After all, it's not an interview - you're just casually picking up the phone and chatting with another human. On a side note, I'd suggest that you leverage the sh!t out of the close family friend who previously ran the Emerging Markets group at the BB. I'm sure he can help you with recruiting.

 
Trollon5th:

Try and be casual while still maintaining professionalism during the conversation. What I mean is do ask educated questions, but if a non-banking topic comes up, feel free to converse about it - it will help establish the connection.

I'd say to start by briefly introducing yourself, and end it with a reason why you wanted to speak to him, i.e. "And so at this point, given my interest in banking, I was hoping to talk to you to understand the industry a little better and hear any advice you may have for me." Then, ask him to briefly introduce himself too if he doesn't do it on his own. After that, you want to ask questions based off what he told you about your story (this will require you to think of questions quickly, but the more you network the easier this becomes). Questions like "What made you want to get into ________ at first?" or "How come you made the transition from ____ to _____?" are some good go-to ones. This should last a good 10-15 minutes. Then, ask a couple of questions that you've prepared in advance that you really want answers to, like the ones you mentioned in your post. At the end, thank him for his time (obviously) and mention that you'll keep in touch.

Overall, don't worry about the call. After all, it's not an interview - you're just casually picking up the phone and chatting with another human. On a side note, I'd suggest that you leverage the sh!t out of the close family friend who previously ran the Emerging Markets group at the BB. I'm sure he can help you with recruiting.

Hey, a late update. The guy was super nice and cool on the phone and told me to add him on LinkedIn so we could keep connected in the future. Turns out he has deleted my connection requests three times (first time I thought maybe he just messed up, second I was trying again, third was to assure myself he was a dick). Don't really know what else to say but you win some, you lose some! I'll keep trying though :)

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@Trollon5th

Thanks for the ideas. I will definitely put that into play when I call him this week.

He will definitely help me, but I have to prove that I have the basic understanding and knowledge before I think it would be fair to forwardly ask him for help with recruitment in the future.

Thanks again!

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Ask him about himself. After the introduction etc., just ask him a lot about his career path/interests without seeming stalkerish. And if he goes off on a tangent about boats or whatever, let him. The conversation will come back around eventually.

 

This guy is your uncle's friend. Unless your uncle trash talks you behind your back, this MD already has a reason to help you: your uncle. I would not worry, but you still need to make a good impression.

In my networking experience, MDs love talking about themselves and how awesome they are. Try to find some deals this guy's group has been working on and ask him about them. Most important, ask for his advice. After he gives you some, use it and report back. At the end of your coffee meeting, ask if he would be willing to refer you to anyone else at this BB or anyone that might be willing to give you some time.

 
KKS:
Try to find some deals this guy's group has been working on and ask him about them. Most important, ask for his advice. After he gives you some, use it and report back. At the end of your coffee meeting, ask if he would be willing to refer you to anyone else at this BB or anyone that might be willing to give you some time.

This is gold. Follow it to a T

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When_the_Pawn:
Hey all, I'm a junior econ major at a target (i guess?) in NYC. Decided really late I wanted to get into finance (won't bore you with the ~story~ unless you want to hear it), so I'm WAY behind the curve to say the least.

Actually this will be pretty important when explaining your situation to people who you aren't related to or already connected with in some way.

But I do want to hear it.

 
StryfeDSP:
Actually this will be pretty important when explaining your situation to people who you aren't related to or already connected with in some way.

But I do want to hear it.

PM'd you.

 

I would start talking to bankers in Chicago that went to your school, since you are in that part of the country. Start networking now. Start setting up phone calls and drive in to get coffee. Coming from a fellow non target, that's the best way you can improve your chances at a non target. PM me if you have any specific questions.

 

Depends on the school and the person. Coffee chats and phone calls are a pretty understood part of the IB recruiting process. Just don't be excessive or overly forward. Treat them like a person, not just a conduit to getting a job.

 

Also, i am specially looking to work in boutique and middle market smaller firms..not really looking for BB (unless my chances are stronger)

 

I tried giving him a call a week ago. I called and left a voicemail saying that i wanted to ask if he could give me any quick advice on what Would be beneficial to do in the summer for next years recruiting....didnt hear anything back (i don't wanna bother him. He's an analyst)

 

I'll give it a shot. But this guy is also distantly involved in another side venture that I'm involved in so I don't want it to be a conflict of interest in any way. My goal is to meet him and get to know him on a professional level first and then approach kind of the "job shadowing" aspect of it I guess you could say, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to initiate a way for him to first take an interest in me and then I'll be golden from there. Thanks for the responses.

StryfeDSP:

Does GW have blow all over his face in your pic?

Yes. This painting was done of him shortly before he led the Siege of Boston in 1775.

No matter how sexy she is, someone, somewhere, is tired of her shit.
 

props on the dope GW pic

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. - Abraham Lincoln
 

Second the above post, it can't hurt to shoot him an quick email - restate who you are, how you met, what you're now, and ask to grab coffee if he's got time. Who knows? Maybe he'll be impressed that you hung on to his contact info for so long.

 

Tell them who you are (i.e. rising junior at school XYZ), how you got their contact information (alumni database), why you are contacting them (i.e. to hear about their careers and any advice they may have), and what you want from them (i.e. to schedule a call within the next few weeks), then tell them that your resume is attached so they can learn more about your back ground (and then attach your resume, obviously).

Shouldn't be more than 4-5 sentences.

 

yea, also, how long after reaching out to a network member does one ask "do you know any positions open?" How long does one play coy, so as to not look like a potential "user?"

 
RodneyBro20:

yea, also, how long after reaching out to a network member does one ask "do you know any positions open?" How long does one play coy, so as to not look like a potential "user?"

Towards the end of the conversation, ask them if they have any tips for the upcoming recruiting season and interviews. If they like you and your resume, they will offer to forward it or ask that you contact them once you have submitted the application online (so that they can notify HR). If they don't offer, don't ask.

 

The only somewhat BB in the southeast would be WF in Charlotte so no need to play smoke and mirrors there.

Anyway...

1) Use these forums to find his email address ie [email protected] 2) Email him. Ask to speak on phone. 3) Network. Later, rinse, repeat.

Also, you go to a target school. Go to OCR, drop your resume off and apply online. Is this a troll or something?

 

Always let the person know you've applied. It can even be a casual: 'I simply wanted to let you know that I have recently applied to your firm for position X. Thank you once again for your help and I really hope to get the role!'.

If the person was keen to help, chances are he'll take note of that and will probably mention you to HR so that they would pick your CV out of the whole candidate pool.

 

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