Current MSF Students Q&A

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So as everyone is applying to and deciding on what MSF program they are going to attend next year I wanted to start a thread where prospective students can ask current students any questions they may have.. I will make a list below of Schools as well as students at each.

If you attend one of the programs or I missed your program send me a message or post below and I will add you.

Feel free to ask away for anything you want to know

Vanderbilt - @"ModelThis" @"559IB"

WashU - @"Esuric" @"The Stranger"

Villanova - @"KKS" @"BepBep12"@"SeymourButtsz" @"leveragealltheway"

Texas - @"sporkuser"

Ohio State -

UIUC -

Boston College - @"AcquisitionsGuy"

Claremont - @"ceej010"

Duke MMS - @"guyfromct"

Georgetown - @"23mishima"

Virginia -

MIT -

Rochester -

Florida - @"MoneyRules"

European MSF - @"MrV4lentine"

Johns Hopkins - @"td12"

DePaul Computational Finance - @"SonOfNike" @"bhousten"

USYD - @"caribe_mexicano"

Region: 
All Europe
United States - Midwest
United States - South
United States - Northeast
United States - Northeast

Comments (301)

Jan 3, 2014

Regarding Claremont McKenna:
How is the placement for those who did their undergrads at other universities (not CMC undergrads)?

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Jan 4, 2014

How important is it to have an internship in IB before doing a masters program? Also, how has recruiting been for Villanova this year? Would also like to know the answer to the Claremont question if anyone has info

Jan 4, 2014
ron_mexico:

How important is it to have an internship in IB before doing a masters program? Also, how has recruiting been for Villanova this year? Would also like to know the answer to the Claremont question if anyone has info

Can't speak to Claremont as no one has PM'ed me to add them under CMC

For Nova: 3 of the 24 students left in the Nova MSF have jobs lined up. Having IB on the resume definitely helps... @"KKS" has one/two on his resume I believe?

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Jan 5, 2014
ron_mexico:

How important is it to have an internship in IB before doing a masters program? Also, how has recruiting been for Villanova this year? Would also like to know the answer to the Claremont question if anyone has info

Internship is essential. Will elaborate on this point shortly.

Edit: I'm going to disagree w/ TNA here, but I guess I should qualify my point. If you want to get traction w/ some of the larger well known shops that would be classified on here as MMs, BBs and EBs there is no question that you need to have one. If you're not concerned about the level of IB that you break in at and are okay w/ joining lower-MM, or boutique 10-15 man shops an internship may not be as essential, but nonetheless as TNA alluded to would be very beneficial to have.

Aside from an internship giving you something to talk about and a 'reason' to lean on in some of the fit questions, as well as a basic technical understanding of the position you have to be mindful of undergrad competition. 'Nova is a solid finance program all around and the UGs consistently place a couple of kids at each shop across the 'Street. Compared to your competition, which IMO is not really the MSF class, but the UGs you'll need to have an internship to be taken seriously.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'

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Jan 4, 2014
ron_mexico:

How important is it to have an internship in IB before doing a masters program? Also, how has recruiting been for Villanova this year? Would also like to know the answer to the Claremont question if anyone has info

If you want to get into an MSF, having experience helps. Having an IB internship will be helpful for recruiting, but it isn't necessary. Pleanty of people in my class and those after have gotten IB offers without internships. Keep in mind that you'll be relying on your Gpa if you don't have any experience.

I've seen similar things at other programs. As I usually tell people an internship is great, definitely try for one before or during the program, but it isn't make or break.

Jan 4, 2014

CMC has resume books online and a large portion of their program is comprised of non CMC students. Program has intensive professional development and high admission standards. If you get in and do well you should be fine.

Jan 4, 2014

'14 class is like 75% CMC undergrads

Jan 4, 2014

Has anyone done the M-Fin program at Haas?

Jan 4, 2014

Having an internship certainly helps, but it isn't a requirement.

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Jan 4, 2014

I try starting a thread to benefit peepz and I get monkey shitted.... Riddle me that

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Jan 4, 2014
calikid3820:

I try starting a thread to benefit peepz and I get monkey shitted.... Riddle me that

That is kind of funny

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Jan 4, 2014
Esuric:
calikid3820:

I try starting a thread to benefit peepz and I get monkey shitted.... Riddle me that

That is kind of funny

Hahaha.. Right?

So Doge.. Are you at CMC?

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Jan 5, 2014

I would also do CMC over Vandy..

And in relation to what @"BepBep12" said I completely agree that if you do want the BB/EB/Top MM banks you absolutely NEED relevant experience on your resume

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Jan 5, 2014
calikid3820:

I would also do CMC over Vandy..

And in relation to what @BepBep12 said I completely agree that if you do want the BB/EB/Top MM banks you absolutely NEED relevant experience on your resume

I don't think anyone, including TNA, doubts that relevant experience is essential to landing a FT position at a top IB. The question, though, is how important is it for the MSF application process? I don't think that it's that relevant, at least not compared to the quality of your undergrad, your GPA and your GMAT.

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Jan 5, 2014
Esuric:
calikid3820:

I would also do CMC over Vandy..

And in relation to what @BepBep12 said I completely agree that if you do want the BB/EB/Top MM banks you absolutely NEED relevant experience on your resume

I don't think anyone, including TNA, doubts that relevant experience is essential to landing a FT position at a top IB. The question, though, is how important is it for the MSF application process? I don't think that it's that relevant, at least not compared to the quality of your undergrad, your GPA and your GMAT.

I assumed he/she was referring to recruiting because of the specific mention of IB. If he/she was not and referring to admissions, I agree with what you are saying.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'

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Jan 5, 2014

Having experience can't hurt, will only help, but I don't consider it an absolute must have. I've seen plenty of people with boutique IB internships not get banking and people without IB internships get banking. I generally suggest people try and get some type of work experience on their resume as it provides you with skills and something to discuss when you do get interviews, but I wouldn't sacrifice grades or other opportunities for what would be a largely unpaid internship.

Jan 5, 2014

Are there any other MSF's on this forum that want to be available to questions? This thread has potential.. I just wanna make sure that people who have direct questions can either ask on here or PM the right person who is in the program...

Esuric, myself, BepBep and guyfromct are open to answering and talking about anything. In a constructive manner preferably

I assume that is why I am getting monkey shitted though as the last time I opened my mouth I got threatened

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Jan 9, 2014

I'm in the middle of doing and MSc in finance over in the UK. I'd be happy the answer questions from anyone interested in studying over here.

Jan 9, 2014

MrV4lentine - are you from the EU or are you an American? I'm curious about how the admissions at UK schools (or other European schools) evaluate American students.

Sometimes when you bring the thunder... you get lost in the storm.

Jan 22, 2014

I'd say add Rochester.

Thanks for the thread.

Jan 5, 2014

I'm currently deciding between Villanova and BC MSF. I have some internship experience but not in IB and thats where I want to land a gig. Can anybody tell me the amount of students that have internships while in the program. Is it doable?

Jan 5, 2014
ONTHERISE:

I'm currently deciding between Villanova and BC MSF. I have some internship experience but not in IB and thats where I want to land a gig. Can anybody tell me the amount of students that have internships while in the program. Is it doable?

Are you thinking about doing the night time MSF at BC? I keep getting conflicting messages from students and admissions regarding their day time MSF program.

Both are very comparable schools. Congrats on dual acceptance. IMO, you can get banking interviews from both schools. Whether you convert is largely up to you.

Jan 6, 2014
ONTHERISE:

I'm currently deciding between Villanova and BC MSF. I have some internship experience but not in IB and thats where I want to land a gig. Can anybody tell me the amount of students that have internships while in the program. Is it doable?

I would do BC for the fact that you can network with the flex-time peepz who are likely employed and those employers see the value in the MSF and don't need to be sold on the degree as they are likely

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Jan 6, 2014
ONTHERISE:

I'm currently deciding between Villanova and BC MSF. I have some internship experience but not in IB and thats where I want to land a gig. Can anybody tell me the amount of students that have internships while in the program. Is it doable?

1. Internship experience in IB would certainly be preferable, but any FO-type role I think would suffice. I had non-IB internships that were still FO roles and I didn't have a problem recruiting and was well received.

2. There are a few students at 'Nova currently interning and there are plenty of local IB shops willing to take interns from 'Nova - you just have to put yourself out there and pound the pavement a little. I do think its certainly a challenge though to balance the incredible demands of 'Nova's MSF and an internship, but doable if you need it.

3. Moreover, the shortened summer session will no longer be incorporated as it had a really negative effect on this year's class so I think you should be able to intern a few days a week during the summer prior to recruiting at the end of summer / early fall.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'

Jan 6, 2014

@"TNA"

CMC was very generous with tuition assistantship. Regarding placements though... IDK if CMC's placements are bolstered their in-house kids. Could you comment on career prospects for all the kids without a Claremont undergrad? Do you know how helpful the career center is with helping you securing an internship? Im concerned that I wont be as competitive as their in-house kids when it comes to recruiting.

Based on what I saw and heard during my visit to Vandy, that they are able to place a lot of kids into MM IB and even a few in BB ER and ST. Plus, I won't feel like an "outsider" since the majority of the kids there did undergrads elsewhere.

@"calikid3820"

Can I get your 2 cents?

Jan 6, 2014
So Doge:

@TNA

CMC was very generous with tuition assistantship. Regarding placements though... IDK if CMC's placements are bolstered their in-house kids. Could you comment on career prospects for all the kids without a Claremont undergrad? Do you know how helpful the career center is with helping you securing an internship? Im concerned that I wont be as competitive as their in-house kids when it comes to recruiting.

Based on what I saw and heard during my visit to Vandy, that they are able to place a lot of kids into MM IB and even a few in BB ER and ST. Plus, I won't feel like an "outsider" since the majority of the kids there did undergrads elsewhere.

@calikid3820

Can I get your 2 cents?

I am sitting at home in LA now.. If I wanted to work in LA I would do USC's new MSF over CMC for the alumni base and name brand but that is me. I honestly don't think doing your UG and MSF at the same school will affect your placement at all You are coming from the same program so you are on the same playing field. Depending on the coursework of their undergrad program vs. yours there could be a skillset/knowledge difference? But that would be on a case by case basis

Vandy is known well in the south and places well as such. I interviewed there and from what I could tell people went to a lot of southern banks (Stephens was the one that I remember).. I am sure there are Vandy kids on here though that would be able to give more detailed information.. I WOULD choose Vandy if I had 3ish years experience though as Vandy allows MSF students to apply through undergrad and MBA OCR which I think is a HUGE value add if you have some experience and can sell the MSF instead of an MBA thing

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Feb 2, 2014

I am a current Vandy MSF and had 3 years of work ex before starting the program. I did get to sit for tons of MBA OCR and pitched the MSF as an alternative to the MBA during my interviews.

We have had quite a bit of MSF specific OCR this year (where I landed my job) and I see the trend growing in years to come. My class is a mixed bag with students straight out of undergrad (with a summer internship), folks like me with a few years of work ex and even some career changers (engineering to finance etc.). The flexibility to apply through either the undergrad or MBA OCR (apart from our MSF specific process) really helps given our class structure.

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Jan 6, 2014

I'm in the same CMC vs Vandy dilemma while still waiting to hear from UTAustin. Leaning towards Vandy as I'll have 2 years of work experience so I think the MBA OCR access has the potential of being extremely beneficial.

As a side note everyone I've talked to outside of California have never heard of CMC's masters in finance program and a lot aren't even familiar with the school. So I have been very weary of their brand recognition outside of Cali. While everyone I've talked to knows Vandy and all held it in high esteem.

Jan 6, 2014
Altecvix:

I'm in the same CMC vs Vandy dilemma while still waiting to hear from UTAustin. Leaning towards Vandy as I'll have 2 years of work experience so I think the MBA OCR access has the potential of being extremely beneficial.

As a side note everyone I've talked to outside of California have never heard of CMC's masters in finance program and a lot aren't even familiar with the school. So I have been very weary of their brand recognition outside of Cali. While everyone I've talked to knows Vandy and all held it in high esteem.

Granted I have never been clued into "brands" of cali schools outside of USC, UCLA, Berkeley, and Stanford... Partly due to the fact I never applied for college here and have been gone since I turned 18.. But I live 45 min from CMC and never knew what it was till I was researching MSF programs

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Jan 8, 2014

I got the same concerns with the program as you do. Also, if you notice on their website a couple of the CMC kids do the masters and undergrad in 4 years and they are usually the ones with the best internships. Also I just got notification and feel that I am pushing it for trying to secure an IB internship for the summer.

Jan 9, 2014

Have you talked to career services about summer internships at all? I was under the impression they will work with you. I'm at least a few weeks behind you in the process so I may have missed the boat

Jan 6, 2014

@"calikid3820" I assume you did your MSF in the East somewhere. Did you end up finding a job back in LA? If so, how did you go about it? Was it that tough?

I don't have the stats for CMC and the USC guy hasn't exactly been encouraging me to apply the few times I've contacted him and presented him with my stats. I ended up missing Round 1 for SC trying to make my application stronger (E.C. Leadership, GMAT, internship, recs, etc). My options are now scattered all over the place (again).

Would love some feedback when you get a chance...

Jan 6, 2014
AFC UTG:

@calikid3820 I assume you did your MSF in the East somewhere. Did you end up finding a job back in LA? If so, how did you go about it? Was it that tough?

I don't have the stats for CMC and the USC guy hasn't exactly been encouraging me to apply the few times I've contacted him and presented him with my stats. I ended up missing Round 1 for SC trying to make my application stronger (E.C. Leadership, GMAT, internship, recs, etc). My options are now scattered all over the place (again).

Would love some feedback when you get a chance...

I am actually going into the spring semester at Nova now.. I am just from LA and am chilling at home for break. I would also look at UT Austin if you want LA there are a decent number of alumni out here

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Jan 16, 2014
calikid3820:
AFC UTG:

@calikid3820 I assume you did your MSF in the East somewhere. Did you end up finding a job back in LA? If so, how did you go about it? Was it that tough?

I don't have the stats for CMC and the USC guy hasn't exactly been encouraging me to apply the few times I've contacted him and presented him with my stats. I ended up missing Round 1 for SC trying to make my application stronger (E.C. Leadership, GMAT, internship, recs, etc). My options are now scattered all over the place (again).

Would love some feedback when you get a chance...

I am actually going into the spring semester at Nova now.. I am just from LA and am chilling at home for break. I would also look at UT Austin if you want LA there are a decent number of alumni out here

Just out of curiosity why are you going to Nova this spring? Are you trying leverage a S.A position and graduate in December?

Also, you were in Pub Fin and now trying break into traditional IB?

Jan 6, 2014

@calikid3820 @"BepBep12" @guyfromct

Cancelled out all the unnecessary MS in this thread for you guys. Good, helpful thread.

Jan 6, 2014
yeahright:

@calikid3820 @BepBep12 @guyfromct

Cancelled out all the unnecessary MS in this thread for you guys. Good, helpful thread.

Haha gracias.. Much appreciated

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Jan 6, 2014

I think USC will be great, but it is too hard for me to say USC>CMC without a 1st year class. I've been hearing they USC is very score driven (GPA, GMAT) which is fine, but will overweight asian kids in the class. I've had solid app domestic kids getting bad vibes when talking about their chances with admissions, something I think is going to hurt placements.

If you are domestic, can get in and can network then I think USC will be a powerhouse. I will reserve judgement on which program is better until I see some placements though.

Jan 6, 2014
TNA:

I think USC will be great, but it is too hard for me to say USC>CMC without a 1st year class. I've been hearing they USC is very score driven (GPA, GMAT) which is fine, but will overweight asian kids in the class. I've had solid app domestic kids getting bad vibes when talking about their chances with admissions, something I think is going to hurt placements.

If you are domestic, can get in and can network then I think USC will be a powerhouse. I will reserve judgement on which program is better until I see some placements though.

That is a valid point.. That is weird that they are going HAM like that for their first year? But ya if you can get in and leverage the network USC > CMC all day

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Jan 6, 2014

Do you think the same would hold true for SF? Thanks for making this thread. Looks like it will be very helpful.

Jan 6, 2014

Yeah, like big class, well over 40 students. Very hard to get that many students and keep a diverse class. If anything it will provide pressure on CMC to lower their Stanford-esq admittion stats. I think the GMAT average is like 710 or something nuts. West Coast was in dire need of additional programs.

I'd love to see UCLA round off the group, but I think they are fine with their MBA/MFE programs. IMO, NYU needs to get in on the fun and would absolutely dominate the East Coast, especially NYC. It is shocking to think that NYC really has no "traditional" MSF programs.

Jan 17, 2014

USC's MSF is going to have over 40 kids? Wonder what the demographics will look like.

I was told the acceptance rate for the program is 7%, how can that be? Who are all these people suddenly applying to MSF programs, and on the west coast? I honestly am not sure that I want to be in a program that's 90% international. I don't know, it'd just be a way different experience.

Anyone else get in?

Jan 17, 2014
hamilton714:

USC's MSF is going to have over 40 kids? Wonder what the demographics will look like.

I was told the acceptance rate for the program is 7%, how can that be? Who are all these people suddenly applying to MSF programs, and on the west coast? I honestly am not sure that I want to be in a program that's 90% international. I don't know, it'd just be a way different experience.

Anyone else get in?

I was a little shocked also. They are trying to be really stats driven and pulling from overseas a lot. I know USC UG has a big Asian contingent and I would expect their MSF program to be the same. I suppose depending on how they do it they pull it off, but I am still a little bummed that they are trying for such a big 1st year class and it will be predominately international students. I was talking to a guy I know at USC doing another specialized masters and he had great things to say with regards to recruiting and who comes on campus so if you can network a little I am sure the brand and education will be enough to get you in front of the people that matter.

If you get in let me know. Would be curious to hear your experience. Best of luck!

Jan 6, 2014

With a GPA of 2.7 and 710 GMAT and 2 years of work experience, which MSF programs should I apply to? I don't want to waste application fees. Thanks.

Jan 6, 2014

What are you looking for after the MSF? What sort of w/e?

Jan 7, 2014
guyfromct:

What are you looking for after the MSF? What sort of w/e?

x 2 on that.

I got into UT with a GPA a little lower than yours, a GMAT lower than yours and 2 years of experience as an Analyst

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Jan 7, 2014
guyfromct:

What are you looking for after the MSF? What sort of w/e?

2 years of Corporate Banking experience. At #1 bank of my company, however not an investment bank.

After MSF, I'd like to break into IB or S&T. However, that is not my number 1 priority. Mainly, I want a good brand name on my CV + decent finance education.

Thanks guys!

Jan 6, 2014

I've seen people with that profile get into Duke, Nova, BC, etc. GPA is low, but you can essay that away. 2 years work experience and the high GMAT will offset it.

Jan 7, 2014

IB is achievable. So is going back to corp banking at a higher level. S&T is a stretch, just depends on how committed you are to it. I think your profile is pretty good, especially with that work experience.

Jan 8, 2014
calikid3820:

So as everyone is applying to and deciding on what MSF program they are going to attend next year I wanted to start a thread where prospective students can ask current students any questions they may have.. I will make a list below of Schools as well as students at each.

If you attend one of the programs or I missed your program send me a message or post below and I will add you.

Feel free to ask away for anything you want to know

Vanderbilt -

WashU - @Esuric

Villanova - @KKS @BepBep12@SeymourButtsz @leveragealltheway

Texas -

UIUC -

Boston College -

Claremont -

Duke MMS - @guyfromct

Virginia -

MIT -

I did my MSF at Boston College

Jan 8, 2014
AcquisitionsGuy:
calikid3820:

So as everyone is applying to and deciding on what MSF program they are going to attend next year I wanted to start a thread where prospective students can ask current students any questions they may have.. I will make a list below of Schools as well as students at each.

If you attend one of the programs or I missed your program send me a message or post below and I will add you.

Feel free to ask away for anything you want to know

Vanderbilt -

WashU - @Esuric

Villanova - @KKS @BepBep12@SeymourButtsz @leveragealltheway

Texas -

UIUC -

Boston College -

Claremont -

Duke MMS - @guyfromct

Virginia -

MIT -

I did my MSF at Boston College

I added you up top.. as long as you don't object

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Jan 9, 2014

Is Duke MMS pretty much the best choice for international students with the lack of work experience?

Jan 9, 2014
marktennis:

Is Duke MMS pretty much the best choice for international students with the lack of work experience?

There are a bunch of MMS options, but I think Duke is the most flexible with the best name brand.

Jan 10, 2014

Yes, it certainly has the most prestige, what's your background and what are you targeting?

Jan 10, 2014

I'm studying finance and international business at a super-non-target school in midwest. Looking to break into IB (top priority) or consulting, but there are basically no alumni in IB. I've done a few internships, but they are not really relevant and probably won't help me to land SA/FT position. Supposed to graduate this May, but I'm thinking of staying an extra year at school, while taking GMAT and applying for 2015 program. The fact that I'm on a student Visa (I'm from Russia) does not make it any easier for me.
So I think Duke MMS should be a good opportunity to rebrand myself. While the program cost might be another challenge for my family to afford (don't these housing expenses seem to be too high?), good thing i was pretty much on a full ride for the last 4 years, so i saved up some money and, as far as I know, you can take a loan there as an international student .

Jan 9, 2014

Hi guys,

For anyone interested in Boston College, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions. If you need to, feel free to PM me. A bit about me, I started in Big 4 audit and switched over to acquisitions at a REIT. Here is some info about the program/school:

- Recruiting is fairly good at the MSF level, and great at the undergrad level. MSF students are actually allowed to go to the undergrad career fairs to meet with the recruiters. BC being a target for some of the top banks/consulting firms, you can get quite a bit of contact. I know I was able to get interviews with LEK Consulting, UBS Investment Bank, Fidelity, a few RE firms, etc. Basically, if you work it, you can get interviews where you want to. This is especially true for people with little to no experience as the recruiters will basically view you as in undergrad.

- The program has some amazing professors with good, real world experience. One thing I loved was that all of the classes were a mix of MBAs, MSAs and MSFs. This allowed for quite a diverse group of people. Also, everyone, from MBA to MSF is down to earth, helpful, and easy to work with.

- The campus is absolutely beautiful. Boston is a great city to live.

- I don't know how common this is, but I know one kid from my program immediately applied to Booth MBA and got in. Granted he had a few years work experience and graduated with honors from BC.

- The whole staff in the program is incredibly helpful and nice. I graduated a few years ago and still have regular contact with some of the staff.

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Jan 9, 2014

What % of your classmates were int'l?

Jan 9, 2014

A fairly large %. If I had to guess, about 40-50%

Jan 9, 2014

If you want to include financial engineering/computational finance programs to the list I am currently in DePaul's Computational Finance program. I would be more than willing to answer any questions that anyone may have.

Jan 9, 2014

Can anyone share some insights on Georgetown's online MSF and UVA's MS in Commerce program?

Jan 9, 2014
nzlu0626:

Can anyone share some insights on Georgetown's online MSF and UVA's MS in Commerce program?

The Georgetown program is brand new... thats all I know haha

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Jan 9, 2014
nzlu0626:

Can anyone share some insights on Georgetown's online MSF and UVA's MS in Commerce program?

Gtown's program is new and they are recruiting for their 1st years class. It will be online, but not your standard online fare. I spoke with the director and they said they were trying to really set the bar. I am thinking that they are targeting professionals with the program and realize for the price they are charging they can't have a white board and a forum where people chat. I think in many situations is wouldn't make sense, but for some people it could be the perfect program.

UVA's MS Commerce has two tracks, finance and marketing. Great brand, great placements. Highly selective when it comes to admissions and you can't apply unless you weren't an UG business student (econ majors are fine). I think if you get in and can afford to go, it is one of the best MSF programs out there.

Jan 9, 2014

Added @"MrV4lentine" and @"SonOfNike"

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Jan 9, 2014

just finished @ USYD

Jan 9, 2014

Nova should be compensating @TNA for the increase in enrollment and exposure. Damn.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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Jan 9, 2014
happypantsmcgee:

Nova should be compensating @TNA for the increase in enrollment and exposure. Damn.

Hahah I wish. I just think the specialized masters is a great degree and want more people to know about their options. I remember when I was researching which school to go to and there was literally nothing out there. Now I think anyone who is trying to make an education decision has enough information out there that they can do so.

Which is important as this space is only going to continue growing for the next 5-10 years.

Jan 10, 2014

Currently in WUSTL's program as well. Happy to add to anything ESuric doesn't have time to answer.

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Jan 10, 2014

MrV4lentine- I want to enroll in a Msc Finance in a top Uk university, since I have no experience in IB but only two internships which aren't related, do you think a 1 year msc in the UK would be suitable for me? I mean if I have chances to get a FT offer when I graduate...

Jan 10, 2014

If you are looking for a way to 'rebrand' yourself as a finance type the 1 year MSc is a good way to do it.
Also if you get into one of the top schools (especially the schools near london) there will be plenty of events,presentations etc. put on by the banks which are great opportunities to meet people in the city and get some contacts.

Jan 11, 2014

If i could, I'd take a 1 year msc finance in order to save time...but after the 1 year degree I should make an internship and then apply for a FT position?

Jan 10, 2014

I'm a current junior coming from a target school (ivy league). With a cGPA of 2.5 and one summer of a less than substantial HR internship, obviously I have no shot of landing a decent finance internship this summer (though that's not stopping me from trying to apply to as many places as I possibly can!) (More info about my situation can be found here //www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/how-to-land-that-sa...).

I have several questions. I'm currently planning on staying another semester in undergrad to try to raise my GPA as much as I possibly can, but should I just not do this and simply apply directly to master's programs right out of undergrad? Which programs are probably the least quant-intensive and will still help me be a competitive applicant later on? Will not participating in a quant-intensive program hurt me? My economics courseload at my school is not too quantitative and I'm worried that my lack of a quant background may cause me to struggle in a quant master's program.

Additionally, which programs are the best? I live in the NYC/NJ area so I do wish to be placed into the job market around there; should I apply to the programs that are near there?

Jan 10, 2014

So the ideal schools for you, considering that you want to work in the NYC area, would be Vanderbilt and Villanova. I don't know how strong their actual placements are in NY but I'm told that they're relatively strong. Unfortunately, you're most likely not competitive at these schools, especially Vandy, due to your terrible undergrad performance. If I were you, I would work my ass off--literally devote all of my time to killing the GMAT. With a high enough gmat score you may get into Villanova. I would also contact TNA since he's an alum there and works closely with the program.

Jan 10, 2014
Yun93:

I'm a current junior coming from a target school (ivy league). With a cGPA of 2.5 and one summer of a less than substantial HR internship, obviously I have no shot of landing a decent finance internship this summer (though that's not stopping me from trying to apply to as many places as I possibly can!) (More info about my situation can be found here //www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/how-to-land-that-sa-position-with-a-gpa-problem).

I have several questions. I'm currently planning on staying another semester in undergrad to try to raise my GPA as much as I possibly can, but should I just not do this and simply apply directly to master's programs right out of undergrad? Which programs are probably the least quant-intensive and will still help me be a competitive applicant later on? Will not participating in a quant-intensive program hurt me? My economics courseload at my school is not too quantitative and I'm worried that my lack of a quant background may cause me to struggle in a quant master's program.

Additionally, which programs are the best? I live in the NYC/NJ area so I do wish to be placed into the job market around there; should I apply to the programs that are near there?

Fairly certain an MSF won't help you given that you're already at a target. You'll most likely attend a semi-target MSF program at best and brand, past performance, and no front office experience will be too much to overcome. IMO its just too tight of a needle to thread between your story of why you screwed up at your target and then attended an MSF. IBD recruiting is tough enough. I'd focus on networking w/ your alumni base and figuring out to get in through the backdoor.

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'

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Jan 10, 2014

Honestly, I'd recommend Rochester new masters in management. It is held in Midtown (like their MSF) and is not as quant as an MSF. Rochester is a good school and you already have the Ivy network. Probably your best option.

What's your GMAT and reason for such a low Gpa?

Jan 10, 2014

I have not taken the GMAT yet, but I plan to now since I have to really try to get into these programs to have a chance of breaking into Finance. The reason for my low GPA was because I was a pre-med, taking some difficult science classes that, along with my lack of passion for the field and dealing with mild depression, had an effect on my effort for my classes. Additionally, there were some very serious personal family issues I had to deal with in my sophomore year.

I know that no company is gonna really care about a sob story and probably won't have any pity. I do not want to adopt this victim mentality either and I really am motivated from here on out to do my best to try to break into this field that I think I will have a strong passion for unlike medicine. Much appreciated for the input!

Jan 11, 2014
Yun93:

I have not taken the GMAT yet, but I plan to now since I have to really try to get into these programs to have a chance of breaking into Finance. The reason for my low GPA was because I was a pre-med, taking some difficult science classes that, along with my lack of passion for the field and dealing with mild depression, had an effect on my effort for my classes. Additionally, there were some very serious personal family issues I had to deal with in my sophomore year.

I know that no company is gonna really care about a sob story and probably won't have any pity. I do not want to adopt this victim mentality either and I really am motivated from here on out to do my best to try to break into this field that I think I will have a strong passion for unlike medicine. Much appreciated for the input!

You are going to struggle to get into MSF programs, at least the target ones people always talk about. I have a GPA slightly higher than yours and 2 years of experience in a FO FT role prior to the MSF. I got dinged at Vandy (I am assuming GPA). Focus on the alumni and get yoru GPA up. You are a Junior still which means you have plenty of time to get it up. Consider retaking classes this summer to have additional credits to offset the other lower grades. If you can Ace out and get it to a 3.0 you will be able to spin the wheels and network and find something post graduation

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Jan 11, 2014

I'm not sure if anyone can answer this question but here goes:

In the admissions process, would it set me apart from a majority of applicants if I focus my essay almost purely on my employment prospects? For example, I would detail a plan on using the alumni network for jobs and have a story crafted around internships at X companies and extra curricular involvement at Y clubs. Employers would therefore find me a suitable candidate for jobs.

My logic is that other than the revenue generated from internationals, MSF/MMS programs will create higher demand if their students get placed well and thereby be able to generate revenue domestically more often. The demand for the Duke MMS, for example, shot up through the roof after the first or second year after they released their employment report.

Jan 13, 2014
AFC UTG:

I'm not sure if anyone can answer this question but here goes:

In the admissions process, would it set me apart from a majority of applicants if I focus my essay almost purely on my employment prospects? For example, I would detail a plan on using the alumni network for jobs and have a story crafted around internships at X companies and extra curricular involvement at Y clubs. Employers would therefore find me a suitable candidate for jobs.

My logic is that other than the revenue generated from internationals, MSF/MMS programs will create higher demand if their students get placed well and thereby be able to generate revenue domestically more often. The demand for the Duke MMS, for example, shot up through the roof after the first or second year after they released their employment report.

Just make sure you focus on how the program you're applying to will help you with your plan. Don't just say you're going to network with alumni because you don't need the master's degree to do that. Go into detail about why you need the program in order to execute your plan.

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Jan 13, 2014
AFC UTG:

I'm not sure if anyone can answer this question but here goes:

In the admissions process, would it set me apart from a majority of applicants if I focus my essay almost purely on my employment prospects? For example, I would detail a plan on using the alumni network for jobs and have a story crafted around internships at X companies and extra curricular involvement at Y clubs. Employers would therefore find me a suitable candidate for jobs.

My logic is that other than the revenue generated from internationals, MSF/MMS programs will create higher demand if their students get placed well and thereby be able to generate revenue domestically more often. The demand for the Duke MMS, for example, shot up through the roof after the first or second year after they released their employment report.

I am going to disagree with other people on this matter. I was explained how the admission process works here at Villanova and I know that the Ad-com consists of mostly professors in the program and the admissions administrator pitching them the candidate. The administration may be focused on the placements and whatever rankings may follow that but the professors want to know that you are a capable learner and will not flunk their courses. Focusing your essay on career prospects could prove to be very risky since you are not addressing the majority of the ad-com's concerns.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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Jan 11, 2014

Nearly all the essays for these programs require you to talk about career goals and how the MSF will help with these. I'd say being able to nail this question is very important.

Jan 12, 2014

I'd like to add that if you apply to programs with interviews the short/long term goal question and how the MSF fits within that is almost always one of the first questions they go for outside of tell me about yourself. I would definitely tailor your essays to answering these questions and specific examples show that you have researched the MSF and that you can think at a deep level IMO.

Jan 12, 2014

Yeah and the whole "I want to work in investment banking" needs to be backed up by a resume and actual plan. I'd opt for more realistic view of things and present a wider job plan. Reality is most people say they want banking but don't put forth the effort necessary to achieve this. Lots of preparation if that truly is your goal.

Present a plan for employment and it will go a long way towards your application acceptance.

Jan 13, 2014

Two year MSc degree programs are common in Europe. Usually involve a thesis. I think a year is optimal since time is money, but the two year degree isn't necessarily a worse option. SSE and Bocconi are two of the best schools in Europe.

Jan 13, 2014

I agree with you, either choice would be good, although the opportunity cost plays an important role for me. It would be a dream for me to be admitted to any of that Msc

Jan 13, 2014

What are my chances for CMC?

Stats:
2yrs compliance consulting
GPA: 3.3 graduated in 2012
GMAT: 760
Solid ECs and charity work

Jan 13, 2014
dwayne89:

What are my chances for CMC?

Stats:

2yrs compliance consulting

GPA: 3.3 graduated in 2012

GMAT: 760

Solid ECs and charity work

Very good. GMAT is above range. GPA is a little low, but you have relevant work experience. EC's will help. I'd say you'll probably get in and get some money.

What was your major and can you give an indication of the "quality", so to speak, of your UG university?

Jan 13, 2014

and passed 2 levels of the CFA program

Jan 13, 2014

Majored in Econ an Business. I feel like I need a reset to go into ER or come out as an IBD analyst. I have been getting no where networking because of a mediocre GPA from a so so school.

Jan 13, 2014

IMO, with those stats you should be able to break in without a masters. I'd re-evaluate what you are doing networking-wise.

With CFA L2 passed you should absolutely get into Claremont. I'd expect money also. Shoot me a PM if you want to talk more about it directly. I know the program director well.

Jan 13, 2014

I need more points PM. I have a special situation, which I do not want to get into on this thread, that makes mass networking challenging.

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Jan 13, 2014

Ok, I gave you a silver banana, which is 3 points. You should have enough now.

Jan 14, 2014

@TNA

Do you know if recruiters prefer Claremont's BA/MA students over MA students?

Jan 14, 2014
So Doge:

@TNA

Do you know if recruiters prefer Claremont's BA/MA students over MA students?

People that do UG and Masters at the same school benefit because they know how OCR will be, have usually interned while at the university, know the alumni, etc. They have inside knowledge.

What they don't have is multiple networks to mine, diversity of experience, etc.

So do I think recruiters "prefer" BA+MA students? No, I do not. I think kids have an advantage having done their UG there, but recruiters largely don't care. Honestly, I encourage people to go outside their UG for their masters. You pay for not only the education, but the network. Why not get another one?

Jan 14, 2014

In keeping with recruiting, would a MSF from UTexas or Vandy add more value in the long term than Claremont? i.e. name, larger alum base

Jan 14, 2014

Are there any Claremont kids on the Forum?

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Jan 14, 2014

To each their own I suppose. Many people haven't heard of Swathmore, Middlebury or Wellesley either. Yet all are phenomenal liberal arts schools. Simply take a look at CMC's placements and who comes on campus to recruit graduates:

https://claremontmckenna.edu/mastersinfinance/career-management/placement-information/

IMO, I would take Claremont over UT Austin 100% of the time. Just like I would take Dartmouth over Michigan.

Jan 14, 2014

People have to realize that it's not just about reputation or the quality of the education. Some MSF/MiM programs at well known schools are essentially gimmicks (I don't want to use the word scam); they aren't taken seriously by the institution and receive low funding. You want to go to a school that actually cares about its MSF and placing its students. Claremont, from what I've heard, is definitely one of those schools.

Jan 14, 2014
Esuric:

People have to realize that it's not just about reputation or the quality of the education. Some MSF/MiM programs at well known schools are essentially gimmicks (I don't want to use the word scam); they aren't taken seriously by the institution and receive low funding. You want to go to a school that actually cares about its MSF and placing its students. Claremont, from what I've heard, is definitely one of those schools.

Totally agree. Of the 150+ programs I have listed on my site, maybe 40 of them are decent enough run and a focus for the university. This is why threads like this are good as it allows students to ask questions and find out which programs are the real deal and which ones are not.

Jan 14, 2014

I know a lot of people kinda feel that way about Duke but are there other programs you're thinking of in particular?

Jan 14, 2014

John Hopkins comes to mind, UIUC doesn't seem too interested either. But you also have to remember that there are varying degrees of this. My general point is that Claremont's MSF shouldn't get discounted because of its relatively weak name brand outside of Cali. It's one of those schools that takes its MSF very seriously, as demonstrated by its continuously impressive placements, which more than makes up for it.

Jan 14, 2014
riverbaldwin:

I know a lot of people kinda feel that way about Duke but are there other programs you're thinking of in particular?

Talked to some Fuqua kids and it seemed like no one gives a shit about the MMS. They might just be bitter about something though. Interesting how the employment report from this past year isn't out yet though. Truth is probably somewhere in between.

Jan 14, 2014
Esuric:

People have to realize that it's not just about reputation or the quality of the education. Some MSF/MiM programs at well known schools are essentially gimmicks (I don't want to use the word scam); they aren't taken seriously by the institution and receive low funding. You want to go to a school that actually cares about its MSF and placing its students. Claremont, from what I've heard, is definitely one of those schools.

100% agree with this. You need to be at a program that takes care of its students and listens to them. Otherwise you're bound to have a horrible time and the program could actually become a handicap. A good way to do this is speak with a bunch of the current students. That doesn't mean just 2 or 3 really opinionated kids but as many as you can talk to. I think its good to get a sense of overall morale, how courses are taught and graded, etc.

The only other thing I'd say that I really learned this year was that brand didn't really mean much. It's the alumni that matter.

Jan 14, 2014
Esuric:

People have to realize that it's not just about reputation or the quality of the education. Some MSF/MiM programs at well known schools are essentially gimmicks (I don't want to use the word scam); they aren't taken seriously by the institution and receive low funding. You want to go to a school that actually cares about its MSF and placing its students. Claremont, from what I've heard, is definitely one of those schools.

I think that's true in many cases. For many schools rolling out these specialized masters program, I'd be inclined to give them 3-5 years of having a full-time program to establish placements record, set curriculum, gain support from other parts of the institution, raise/establish funding etc before determining whether or not its a gimmick. But Id generally agree with your sentiment.

Jan 14, 2014

Hopkins student here

Jan 14, 2014

I wouldn't necessarily say UIUC or Hopkins are churn programs. UIUC has historic placements, but their program is too international loaded to maintain those placements. Doesn't mean a solid domestic can't receive a great education there, network with alumni or have access to OCR.

Hopkins just started a FT day program so give them time. They have a well known brand for medicine and are trying to build up their business school.

As for Duke, I think they try and have too big of a class size. Lots of internationals which impacts placements. I've spoken to a lot of happy students there so I suppose it could be a couple unhappy students. God knows every program has them.

The real issue is that there is a growth in schools offering the programs while only a small growth in domestic students in the US. In order to fill the spots in these schools they have to open it up to qualified internationals. With the economy the way it is these kids just have a tougher time with placements, making the programs less attractive to the handful of domestics that apply.

Jan 15, 2014

lol. Claremont McKenna doesn't offer an MBA directly. They have some graduate umbrella university or something. Definitely non-traditional.

Vandy has solid placements. Not sure why they don't publicize them more. With that said, CMC>Vanderbilt when it comes to FO finance placements. Probably attributed to how selective CMC is of who gets in.

Jan 15, 2014

I'm just wondering if the stats between the schools are apples to apples. There doesn't seem to be reporting standards enforced like with MBA programs, so it's important to read the fine print. For example, CMC's asterisk indicates that "placement is defined as any fulltime position, INTERNSHIP POSITION, entrepreneurial venture, fellowship or continuing education secured within 90 days of completion of the Program." Dude, I do not consider an internship a job. Vanderbilt's stats appear to be referring to JOB Offers and Acceptances which sounds a little more reassuring.

Jan 15, 2014
ECG2014:

I'm just wondering if the stats between the schools are apples to apples. There doesn't seem to be reporting standards enforced like with MBA programs, so it's important to read the fine print. For example, CMC's asterisk indicates that "placement is defined as any fulltime position, INTERNSHIP POSITION, entrepreneurial venture, fellowship or continuing education secured within 90 days of completion of the Program." Dude, I do not consider an internship a job. Vanderbilt's stats appear to be referring to JOB Offers and Acceptances which sounds a little more reassuring.

1) Vanderbilt doesn't publicize their placements so we have nothing to base off of. I've seen old placements that were good (some MM banking, one off type BB placements, mainly regional placements), but they don't have them now. Not sure why they took them off as I am sure Vanderbilt places well.

2) Most MSF students would kill for an internship, let alone a job at the firms CMC is placing students. I don't think you should discount an internship even if you don't want it yourself. You don't know the individual students situation.

Listen, if you like Vanderbilt then fine. You made the right choice for yourself. I just think you are trying too hard to justify it. Claremont is harder to get into, with higher admission standards. I personally think this is arbitrary, but the professors really drive the admissions process and want to see high GMAT's, high GPA's, etc. They can be very selective with a small class.

Jan 15, 2014
TNA:

lol. Claremont McKenna doesn't offer an MBA directly. They have some graduate umbrella university or something. Definitely non-traditional.

Vandy has solid placements. Not sure why they don't publicize them more. With that said, CMC>Vanderbilt when it comes to FO finance placements. Probably attributed to how selective CMC is of who gets in.

I would have to disagree unless your goal is to work in California. I strongly doubt CMC will get you to NY just from the standpoint that there are people in southern California that have never heard of it. CMC is part of a network of colleges http://www.claremont.edu/ and is a very small school. Not saying that it is a bad school or the network isn't solid but its not even close to being able to be compared to a school like Vandy.

I think everyone is too focused on the minute details of these programs. While CMC kids are brain trusts and place well... 2 kids of equal intelligence and ability at both programs... going for NYC banking the Vandy kid will get it more often. In Atlanta or a southern city the Vandy kid will almost exclusively get it. In LA or SF the Claremont kid has an obvious edge but I still would see a Vandy kid at least getting a shot.

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Jan 15, 2014

Okay, okay, okay. Lots of talk on here about prior placements but remember that they are just one piece of the puzzle. Just because a school has had strong placement in the past doesn't guarantee that you will benefit from this. Secondly, just because a school has had poor placement in the past doesn't guarantee that you will suffer from this. Placements matter, but they are probably more of a stepping off point.

Jan 15, 2014

Placements are vital if you're in the full time program. Not as important if you're a professional in the PT program looking for a knowledge gain...but still important to the extent that solid placements from the FT program will extend your network and weight (i hate the word prestige) of your program.

Jan 15, 2014
td12:

Placements are vital if you're in the full time program. Not as important if you're a professional in the PT program looking for a knowledge gain...but still important to the extent that solid placements from the FT program will extend your network and weight (i hate the word prestige) of your program.

Not sure if you are disagreeing / agreeing, but I will reiterate. Placements are a key piece of the puzzle, but not the only piece. Many other things go into recruiting. Honestly though MSF classes are typically much smaller and given that most programs send 1-10 students into IBD at various levels you're primary network isn't MSFs rather it is w/ the entire almuni network.

Jan 15, 2014
BBParty:
td12:

Placements are vital if you're in the full time program. Not as important if you're a professional in the PT program looking for a knowledge gain...but still important to the extent that solid placements from the FT program will extend your network and weight (i hate the word prestige) of your program.

Not sure if you are disagreeing / agreeing, but I will reiterate. Placements are a key piece of the puzzle, but not the only piece. Many other things go into recruiting. Honestly though MSF classes are typically much smaller and given that most programs send 1-10 students into IBD at various levels you're primary network isn't MSFs rather it is w/ the entire almuni network.

100% agree and I will build this into what @"ECG2014" is trying to get at I think. The CMC program is extremely selective and you have to be smart as shit to get in.. Those are key factors in applying to and getting jobs which is why they place well. But refer to what I just reiterated in my other reply.. Just because you have to be smarter and test better to get into CMC doesn't guarantee your or mean you will get a better placement. Going to a top bank is just as hard out of CMC as it would be out of Vandy, Nova, USC, Florida, etc. You will have the benefits of a small school in that if you find alumni at target banks then they will be more likely to pull for you as they aren't getting contacted by like 50-60 kids a year trying to get help, but the fact that claremont is set up as a campus of colleges not to say it will limit you to CMC's alumni vs. alumni from one of the other colleges in that consortium as I didn't go there and can't speak to it... I just know I have looked at CMC's placements before and a couple placed where I used to work

as @"BBParty" was saying.. Placements are one SMALL aspect of MSF programs. You shouldn't care about where 1 kid went 2-3 years ago because it doesn't mean you will get that or get better. Past performance isn't indicative of future performance (As some of us are seeing now). Go to the school where you like the grad office, gel with the culture, has alumni at your target banks, funds, etc., and has the banks you want coming to OCI and offhand the ONLY schools I know of that have MSF and also have a wide array of banks on campus for OCI are USC, MIT, UT, and Vandy.

And on the disclosure aspect for programs I think it would be AWESOME if they all started disclosing more information to make everything more transparent to applicants.. Like Placement % and where those placements came from (Alumni, Career Office, OCI, Networking on own, etc.)... Possibly graduation rate, Average GPA at graduation along with 25-75% range, average starting salary, etc. There are some programs that end up with REALLY pissed off students because there is such little disclosure and so much misinformation (which is the purpose of this thread so I am happy people are trying to be productive with it)

Also do we have anyone from CMC on WSO?

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Jan 15, 2014

From their selected placements page they indicate 21% of placements are in NYC. Only 54% of placements are shown to be in NYC, with placements in Chicago, Denver as well as internationally.

So not only do I disagree with you, but the facts do also. And just because you haven't heard of the university doesn't mean it isn't well known nationally or in other circles.

EDIT - I went on my site to check some stuff out. Found some older placements for Claremont when the program started up. Every year they had a handful of students going to NYC as well as internationally. Concentration in California (as these programs are regional in nature), but CMC places in New York also. They also incorporate networking trips to LA and NYC (elsewhere as well) into the program.

Also, here are the stats for the 2012 class. They don't have the 2014 class profile on the site, I will see if I can get it.

- 11% admissions rate
- Class size of 25 (up from 17 the year before)
- Average GPA for last years class was a 3.63
- Average GMAT of 729

I know of no other MSF program (honestly, MIT included) that has admission stats like this.

Jan 15, 2014

@BBParty, I agree with you on leveraging the entire network, not just MSFs. I think this is one of the upsides to Hopkins. It's making a big push with the business school and alumnus from all programs are working together to quickly develop it - MBAs, MSFs, MSREs, etc. My response rate has been nearly 100%.

Keep in mind that while Carey's FT programs are new, there are many people who graduated years ago from a PT program and are now in senior roles at firms in Balto/DC. That seniority, coupled with enthusiasm from most people in the school, has resulted in a loyal and responsive network.

Jan 15, 2014

I don't know why you would bother doing an MSF at a school that's not a target for undergrads if your goal is banking. Why would you spend the money on a school where banks don't even show up? And I understand that places like JHU are trying to build a brand but to me that's just not good enough to justify spending the money. Go to the places where banks go.

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Jan 15, 2014
Thurnis Haley:

I don't know why you would bother doing an MSF at a school that's not a target for undergrads if your goal is banking. Why would you spend the money on a school where banks don't even show up? And I understand that places like JHU are trying to build a brand but to me that's just not good enough to justify spending the money. Go to the places where banks go.

I agree, but not everyone wants to do investment banking. I think people don't realize how many UG institutions are out there that literally have almost no OCR. I'm talking schools where Big 4 would be the golden ticket job. These students can go to a UIUC, JHU, etc and get a well known brand and have access to jobs they otherwise wouldn't. Assuming they can get some scholarship money and drop the cost down some then it isn't a bad investment.

Also keep in mind that outside of banking, the MSF = MBA in many instances.

Jan 15, 2014
Thurnis Haley:

I don't know why you would bother doing an MSF at a school that's not a target for undergrads if your goal is banking. Why would you spend the money on a school where banks don't even show up? And I understand that places like JHU are trying to build a brand but to me that's just not good enough to justify spending the money. Go to the places where banks go.

+1

Jan 15, 2014

Selectivity, which programs, etc. personally I don't think it matters where you go if you think you've got what it takes to be a top candidate. You should go where you fit best with the culture, like the students and professors, and want to spend a bit of time living. The MSF degree itself doesn't matter that much - you're not learning anything revolutionary, I mean yes you may be sharpening your skill-set etc., but no one on the other side of the table gives a fuck. Go where you want, work the phones, and crush your interviews.

The same kids that would place at BBs from WUSTL would place at BBs from Villanova, Vandy, or Duke.

I think the things that people who want FO roles really should be thinking about are:
1. Your 'paper stats'
2. Previous experience
3. Personality + / -
4. Network
5. Interviewing skills

This is the shit that matters, not school vs. school. If you're an average applicant/student at WUSTL guess what... you're not getting that FO role (at least not on purpose) and likewise if you're the average applicant/student at Duke... you're not getting the fucking FO role.

Jan 15, 2014
BBParty:

Selectivity, which programs, etc. personally I don't think it matters where you go if you think you've got what it takes to be a top candidate. You should go where you fit best with the culture, like the students and professors, and want to spend a bit of time living. The MSF degree itself doesn't matter that much - you're not learning anything revolutionary, I mean yes you may be sharpening your skill-set etc., but no one on the other side of the table gives a fuck. Go where you want, work the phones, and crush your interviews.

The same kids that would place at BBs from WUSTL would place at BBs from Villanova, Vandy, or Duke.

I think the things that people who want FO roles really should be thinking about are:

1. Your 'paper stats'

2. Previous experience

3. Personality + / -

4. Network

5. Interviewing skills

This is the shit that matters, not school vs. school. If you're an average applicant/student at WUSTL guess what... you're not getting that FO role (at least not on purpose) and likewise if you're the average applicant/student at Duke... you're not getting the fucking FO role.

Best of luck to you going into an MSF program thinking you aren't learning anything revolutionary. The depth and expected mastery of the subject of finance expected in an MSF program is far and away above what you learn in UG. Be prepared to study and learn a lot because it isn't going to be easy.

Reality is most students don't get FO roles. Just like in undergrad. Look at all placement stats at all the schools that offer them and you will see maybe 25-30% of the class getting these jobs. You pick a schools for the reasons you mention, yes, but you also factor in which school has a better rep (locally/nationally) and which school has good OCR. You know what sucks worse than wanting banking and not getting it? Not having alumni/OCR to help you get the almost banking gig. You hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Jan 15, 2014
TNA:

Best of luck to you going into an MSF program thinking you aren't learning anything revolutionary. The depth and expected mastery of the subject of finance expected in an MSF program is far and away above what you learn in UG. Be prepared to study and learn a lot because it isn't going to be easy.

Reality is most students don't get FO roles. Just like in undergrad. Look at all placement stats at all the schools that offer them and you will see maybe 25-30% of the class getting these jobs. You pick a schools for the reasons you mention, yes, but you also factor in which school has a better rep (locally/nationally) and which school has good OCR. You know what sucks worse than wanting banking and not getting it? Not having alumni/OCR to help you get the almost banking gig. You hope for the best, plan for the worst.

1. Clarifying my point, as long as its a top MSF (as in commonly discussed on here as a program that will offer some FO opportunities), then yes its not that big of a deal.

2. MSF curriculum isn't exceptional or revolutionary and I've never come across a student that is at the 'mastery' level. You must be deluded.

Jan 15, 2014

@Thurnis Haley, If NYC BB IBD is your goal then it's probably a risk unless you have crazy experience or connections - but then again what MSF can guarantee it? However, there are grads in NYC and NYC finance is probably doable if you hustle.

That said, I think many kids are enchanted by IBD but only a few have the appropriate drive, background, skill set, etc to get there and can truly execute on it. For those who aren't NYC IBD or bust, I think there are strong opportunities in AM, consulting, corporate finance, and boutique shops in this area. Not too many people are gift wrapping jobs these days; you just gotta hustle.

Jan 15, 2014
td12:

@Thurnis Haley, If NYC BB IBD is your goal then it's probably a risk unless you have crazy experience or connections - but then again what MSF can guarantee it? However, there are grads in NYC and NYC finance is probably doable if you hustle.

That said, I think many kids are enchanted by IBD but only a few have the appropriate drive, background, skill set, etc to get there and can truly execute on it. For those who aren't NYC IBD or bust, I think there are strong opportunities in AM, consulting, corporate finance, and boutique shops in this area. Not too many people are gift wrapping jobs these days; you just gotta hustle.

Sure. That's why I specified banking in particular. For people not wanting banking it's different. But you can make life easier for yourself by going to a school with alumni in the places you want to go. Going from a school with no finance recruiting for undergrad to a school with very little finance recruiting for an MSF makes no sense given the cost.

Jan 15, 2014
Thurnis Haley:
td12:

@Thurnis Haley, If NYC BB IBD is your goal then it's probably a risk unless you have crazy experience or connections - but then again what MSF can guarantee it? However, there are grads in NYC and NYC finance is probably doable if you hustle.

That said, I think many kids are enchanted by IBD but only a few have the appropriate drive, background, skill set, etc to get there and can truly execute on it. For those who aren't NYC IBD or bust, I think there are strong opportunities in AM, consulting, corporate finance, and boutique shops in this area. Not too many people are gift wrapping jobs these days; you just gotta hustle.

Sure. That's why I specified banking in particular. For people not wanting banking it's different. But you can make life easier for yourself by going to a school with alumni in the places you want to go. Going from a school with no finance recruiting for undergrad to a school with very little finance recruiting for an MSF makes no sense given the cost.

+1 on this.. You have to have your target in mind before you go into the program and there needs to be transparency in the relationship between the school and the student(s) going in so both are clear on what the goal is and whether its realistic

Not sure if td12 said he was gunning for NYC Banking or not.. I would assume not though? But that being said it wouldn't be the best move for someone looking for NYC IB to go to JHU

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Jan 15, 2014
td12:

@Thurnis Haley, If NYC BB IBD is your goal then it's probably a risk unless you have crazy experience or connections - but then again what MSF can guarantee it? However, there are grads in NYC and NYC finance is probably doable if you hustle.

That said, I think many kids are enchanted by IBD but only a few have the appropriate drive, background, skill set, etc to get there and can truly execute on it. For those who aren't NYC IBD or bust, I think there are strong opportunities in AM, consulting, corporate finance, and boutique shops in this area. Not too many people are gift wrapping jobs these days; you just gotta hustle.

+1 to you sir... jobs aren't "spoon fed" to anyone.. Which is why even kids from target schools don't convert on offers and are exploring MSF programs.

Anyone wanting a banking job "spoon fed" to them needs to find a new career path because if you can't hustle, network, and aren't likable then at some point you will burn out.. Because at some point you will be a relationship person hustling for business (Banking MD) and if you don't have those skills you won't make it.

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Jan 17, 2014

I just got an interview invitation from John Hopkins Carey's MSF program.

I have to film a 4 minute video response to 2 interview questions. Anyone have an idea what type of questions will be asked? I interviewed for 2 other schools, one in person and the other over skype, I never had this type of interview before.

Jan 17, 2014

My guess would be why msf and why jhu

Jan 17, 2014
RandyD:

I just got an interview invitation from John Hopkins Carey's MSF program.

I have to film a 4 minute video response to 2 interview questions. Anyone have an idea what type of questions will be asked? I interviewed for 2 other schools, one in person and the other over skype, I never had this type of interview before.

Hey Randy, you aiming for the DC or Baltimore campus? Video responses are usually a way to check on English fluency, among other things. I will bet that the questions (as mentioned above) will be Why Johns Hopkins and Why an MSF. Those are pretty standard.

I'd tailor the Why JHU question along the lines of location (DC or Baltimore is unique) and that it is more of an upstart program. JHU has an amazing medical school brand and is trying to build their business school more. You like something entrepreneurial, along those lines.

Good luck!

Jan 15, 2014
Jan 15, 2014
So Doge:

Vandy's placements

http://imgur.com/C21SfT8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OHeTvTl.png

Nice. From their MSF pamphlet, right? Pretty much confirms what is being said in this thread. Thanks for posting this.

Jan 15, 2014
TNA:

Nice. From their MSF pamphlet, right? Pretty much confirms what is being said in this thread. Thanks for posting this.

No you said that CMC kills them and that you would pick CMC 10/10 times.. Granted CMC's site boasts a pretty rockstar lists of placements.. It is a compiled 4 year list.. There isn't a lot of transparency there (which sucks for applicants deciding on schools).

Vandy is at 25% IB last year and almost 80% of people with offers prior to graduation.. That is pretty damn solid. I know Nova has ONE banking offer in the current class and its a temp->hire internship

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Jan 16, 2014
So Doge:

Vandy's placements

http://imgur.com/C21SfT8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OHeTvTl.png

Nice placements for Vandy, 100 % F.O? Or is B.O considered investment banking as well for placement purposes?

Jan 15, 2014

There is no proof either way to say that one school places better than the other as neither school has 100% transparent postings on their site.. So it may very well be true that every year for the past 4 years that CMC has sent kids to Goldman, MS, Houlihan, etc. or multiple and that Vandy has not.. But the fact is that all that is shown is the 4 year list of firms and a number that says 95%.. Also in 4 years according to this they have sent 2 kids to BB IB. There could be 1 each year to those firms.. but that information isn't readily available

https://claremontmckenna.edu/mastersinfinance/career-management/placement-information/

The list of firms at the bottom says recruited undergrads and MSF students.

Vandy's doesn't list at all. Part of why this thread could potentially be useful to applicants because there is NO disclosure. Is that list of firms for Vandy all from 1 year?

WashU sent a kid to CS and another to Bain (Wells and BofA are on the list) also I don't know if any of these are IBD it isn't disclosed.. not a lot of transparency

UT in its first year sent someone to goldman and from what I have heard/read the HBS 2+2.. Again not a ton of transparency but there is only 1 year of data.

MIT is just too much to list and its kinda scary...

So sure you can throw all the monkey shit you want at me and flaunt all of the unpublished unconfirmed information you want.. Unless it comes from a current student or is posted publicly I am going to be skeptical. The purpose of this whole thing is to make the whole process be more transparent to students applying to these programs so that they have a better feel for the program and know exactly what to expect.

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Jan 15, 2014

1) I am not throwing shit your way. Could careless.

2) I asked you to publish your sources. People know my cred. You are saying I am wrong, fine. Prove it. I went back and posted information that I put on my site years ago for Claremont. They have placements on their site, but update them every year.

Vandy is a great program. I have no issue with it. I am simply saying that Claremont is a smaller, more selective program and places better than Vanderbilt.

So I reiterate. You made an assetion. Back it up.

Jan 15, 2014
TNA:

1) I am not throwing shit your way. Could careless.

2) I asked you to publish your sources. People know my cred. You are saying I am wrong, fine. Prove it. I went back and posted information that I put on my site years ago for Claremont. They have placements on their site, but update them every year.

Vandy is a great program. I have no issue with it. I am simply saying that Claremont is a smaller, more selective program and places better than Vanderbilt.

So I reiterate. You made an assetion. Back it up.

Pretty sure I just did.. I am moving on however though as this thread is getting sidetracked and probs intimidating anyone who is looking for information

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Jan 15, 2014

This is like watching Raiders and Chargers fans fighting over who's team is better (not a perfect analogy). CMC and Vandy are both fantastic schools. Claremont may have the slight edge when it comes to placements but that's not the only thing that should be considered! Sure its the easiest to quantify and argue over but far from the only factor.

To name a few
Location
Brand
Network
Curriculum

Perspective MSF applicants need to do their own research to determine which program is right for them and no one can answer this but themselves. This is the reason why ranking them is such a worthless endeavor. I could list out all the reasons why I picked one program over another but it wont help because peoples goals and whats important to them is different.

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Jan 15, 2014
Altecvix:

This is like watching Raiders and Chargers fans fighting over who's team is better (not a perfect analogy). CMC and Vandy are both fantastic schools. Claremont may have the slight edge when it comes to placements but that's not the only thing that should be considered! Sure its the easiest to quantify and argue over but far from the only factor.

To name a few

Location

Brand

Network

Curriculum

Perspective MSF applicants need to do their own research to determine which program is right for them and no one can answer this but themselves. This is the reason why ranking them is such a worthless endeavor. I could list out all the reasons why I picked one program over another but it wont help because peoples goals and whats important to them is different.

So which team is better?

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Jan 15, 2014
Altecvix:

This is like watching Raiders and Chargers fans fighting over who's team is better (not a perfect analogy). CMC and Vandy are both fantastic schools. Claremont may have the slight edge when it comes to placements but that's not the only thing that should be considered! Sure its the easiest to quantify and argue over but far from the only factor.

To name a few

Location

Brand

Network

Curriculum

Perspective MSF applicants need to do their own research to determine which program is right for them and no one can answer this but themselves. This is the reason why ranking them is such a worthless endeavor. I could list out all the reasons why I picked one program over another but it wont help because peoples goals and whats important to them is different.

+1... That was the intent of this thread... Got WAYYYYY sidetracked though. Thanks for bringing us back on topic

Lets try keeping it to answering questions directly related to whatever school you are attending or are a recent graduate of. I am an offender as well so I will keep it classy going forwards

What MSF did you attend? and do you mind me adding you to the thread?

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Jan 15, 2014

I'm one of the perspective MSF students that this thread is intended for. I've already made my applications and decision but have been following this thread with great interest.

I wouldn't have any input on programs other than my personal experience in the admin process.

Jan 15, 2014
Altecvix:

This is like watching Raiders and Chargers fans fighting over who's team is better (not a perfect analogy). CMC and Vandy are both fantastic schools. Claremont may have the slight edge when it comes to placements but that's not the only thing that should be considered! Sure its the easiest to quantify and argue over but far from the only factor.

To name a few

Location

Brand

Network

Curriculum

Placements and location are the only things to consider. Placements are the end goal. The things you mention, namely network and curriculum, are means to an end and not an end in themselves. In other words, network and curriculum are relevant insofar as they yield impressive placements. It's true that past quality placements do not guarantee successful future placements, but you can say that about anything. It's the best proxy that we have.

Also, the idea that there's some sort of disconnect between program selectivity and quality is really puzzling. How and why do you think programs can be so selective? Typically, to answer my rhetorical question, because they are of high quality. The kid with a 750 GMAT, 3.8 GPA with 2 IB internships can go to either Vandy or CMC. But we see, from the stats, they he/she is most likely to pick CMC. Whether or not this is justified is really a subjective issue.

And finally, the idea that you should attend an MSF program because of the quality of the undergraduate school is really dumb. First, a college could be a great STEM school and have a mediocre undergrad bschool. This will give it a high overall rating, but how does this help you? Are you going to reach out to biotech engineers or to doctors when looking for work with an MSF?

But let's assume that the school has a great undergrad bschool for a second. Do you think the undergrads give two shits about the MSF grads? It's a totally different experience. They either don't know what the program is or they resent the fact you went to a non target and are now competing with them for jobs. MBA's, if you network with them, can be useful, though there is a social disconnect between the two degrees.

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Jan 16, 2014
Esuric:

But let's assume that the school has a great undergrad bschool for a second. Do you think the undergrads give two shits about the MSF grads? It's a totally different experience. They either don't know what the program is or they resent the fact you went to a non target and are now competing with them for jobs. MBA's, if you network with them, can be useful, though there is a social disconnect between the two degrees.

Have you find this to be the case when trying to network while in the programs? I could imagine that would significantly impact every students networking plans.

Jan 16, 2014

I respectively disagree that placements and location are the only things to consider. I'll give two examples to illustrate my point that brand and network are things to consider. More important than placement and location? Debatable. I'll concede they are lower on the totem pole, but they still have a place.

First brand recognition. Getting your foot in the door at that FO position is a tough step but its only the first step. Eventually you are going to want to make that move to the next level, and the next, ect. and your brand of where you went to school is going to follow you. No matter how good CMC's placements are its not a well known school. None of the financial professionals I talked to had ever heard of it (I'm not from California though). So for that next move in ones career and it comes down to 2 candidates with all things equal except for their branding of what school they went to. Sorry, the lesser known school looses. So am I saying you should only go to the most widely known schools? NO! But I am saying its a factor to consider.

Next, network. You went to CMC and landed that dream BB IBD job. Fantastic! Then the economy takes a shit and you get laid off. Now you're a jobless first year analyst that can't rely on OCR. Time to hit the network. Which graduates are going to have the advantage? CMC or the UT Austins of the world?

These are just examples, and imperfect examples at that. But I hope people understand the concept that I am trying to convey that to judge a program merely by the number of IB analysts it places is a mistake.

But, then again its just my opinion.

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Jan 15, 2014

Ahh okay fair enough. Wanna share your experience to the extent you are comfortable?

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Jan 15, 2014

Absolutely, I went to about as non target as you can get when it comes to finance for undergrad, majored in business, got mediocre GPA, sub average GMAT, and have been working in BO role since graduating. I would be what you would call an "underdog" for most of the programs I applied to. So I can say from first hand experience that these programs aren't just concerned about text scores and grades. They look at the whole application.

If anyone is interested just PM me and I'll let you know my experience with whichever program your interested in and why I chose the one that I did.

I applied to the following programs and have been impressed with all but one of them and its not the one your assuming.

Claremont McKenna
Vanderbilt University
UT Austin
Southern Methodist University

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Jan 16, 2014

To each their own and I see some valid points being mentioned, but I do think Claremont McKenna's recognition is being discounted. Lots of people in finance went to these smaller, liberal arts colleges.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges

Claremont is #9. Williams, Amherst, Swathmore, etc.

http://kravisleadershipinstitute.org/

I think we have all heard of Kravis of KKR fame. Not to shabby of an alumnus.

Jan 16, 2014

Yeah, it is definitely one the elite LACs in the country. Students who apply to Ivys, tops east coast LACs, other top schools across the country typically have heard of the Claremont Colleges.

Jan 16, 2014
TNA:

To each their own and I see some valid points being mentioned, but I do think Claremont McKenna's recognition is being discounted. Lots of people in finance went to these smaller, liberal arts colleges.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges

Claremont is #9. Williams, Amherst, Swathmore, etc.

http://kravisleadershipinstitute.org/>

I think we have all heard of Kravis of KKR fame. Not to shabby of an alumnus.

Okay and the Global head of BX Restructuring is a USC MBA but how many of those get hired to BX every year.

This thread is getting sidetracked.. @"Altecvix" is right in that the other factors matter because those factors lead to better placements.. If a curriculum is all quant based classes with no practical accounting, valuation, or corporate finance courses you will struggle to go traditional IB because of your coursework. Placements are also driven by brand, networking, and alumni. @"Esuric" you are completely discounting these things to say that CMC somehow gets rockstar placements without that list of things that he mentioned... I don't know why everyone is still trying to sell CMC.. Just as many really smart kids choose Vandy as CMC because of their respective locations and the goals of the individual candidate.. Blanket statements that CMC is better than Vandy or vice versa aren't fair to state unanimously.. You can argue placements but how can you say that the same person could not have gotten that job from a different school? That is what @"BBParty" and @"Altecvix" are trying to say... Yes the goal is an awesome placement but just looking at one data point as a contributor to those placements will lead you to making a poor decision

Also.. @"Esuric" if a network is not important... Why do people give up 2 years of work and pay $100,000+ to go for a top MBA when most people would agree all you get out of it is a diploma, pedigree, and the network... There are countless people every year that are at BBs in solid groups and even the most talked about Boutiques who bomb out of PE interviews for whatever reason and I personally would like whatever kudos/brownie points my network can give me in the process.. Even if that means there is a Partner or VP from my school that I can reach out to... There is a saying that a large number of jobs (Insert percentage) never even get posted because they are filled by friends of friends, classmates, alumni, etc.

@"The Stranger" I completely agree and that is something that @"Altecvix" and I talked about.. Especially for programs like Vandy and UT that have an overall strong business school brand between both the undergrads and MBAs.. To say that UT undergrad is highly ranked because of STEM majors is an absolute lie as the Business Honors kids or whatever that program is that UT has leads to some of the best finance placements coming out of undergrad.

That is not the purpose of this thread and if everyone continues to try program bashing or attacking other users for sharing information that would be useful to other applicants and future students I will report them. Keep it classy

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Jan 16, 2014
calikid3820:
TNA:

To each their own and I see some valid points being mentioned, but I do think Claremont McKenna's recognition is being discounted. Lots of people in finance went to these smaller, liberal arts colleges.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges

Claremont is #9. Williams, Amherst, Swathmore, etc.

http://kravisleadershipinstitute.org/>>

I think we have all heard of Kravis of KKR fame. Not to shabby of an alumnus.

Okay and the Global head of BX Restructuring is a USC MBA but how many of those get hired to BX every year.

This thread is getting sidetracked.. @Altecvix is right in that the other factors matter because those factors lead to better placements.. If a curriculum is all quant based classes with no practical accounting, valuation, or corporate finance courses you will struggle to go traditional IB because of your coursework. Placements are also driven by brand, networking, and alumni. @Esuric you are completely discounting these things to say that CMC somehow gets rockstar placements without that list of things that he mentioned... I don't know why everyone is still trying to sell CMC.. Just as many really smart kids choose Vandy as CMC because of their respective locations and the goals of the individual candidate.. Blanket statements that CMC is better than Vandy or vice versa aren't fair to state unanimously.. You can argue placements but how can you say that the same person could not have gotten that job from a different school? That is what @BBParty and @Altecvix are trying to say... Yes the goal is an awesome placement but just looking at one data point as a contributor to those placements will lead you to making a poor decision

Also.. @Esuric if a network is not important... Why do people give up 2 years of work and pay $100,000+ to go for a top MBA when most people would agree all you get out of it is a diploma, pedigree, and the network... There are countless people every year that are at BBs in solid groups and even the most talked about Boutiques who bomb out of PE interviews for whatever reason and I personally would like whatever kudos/brownie points my network can give me in the process.. Even if that means there is a Partner or VP from my school that I can reach out to... There is a saying that a large number of jobs (Insert percentage) never even get posted because they are filled by friends of friends, classmates, alumni, etc.

@The Stranger I completely agree and that is something that @Altecvix and I talked about.. Especially for programs like Vandy and UT that have an overall strong business school brand between both the undergrads and MBAs.. To say that UT undergrad is highly ranked because of STEM majors is an absolute lie as the Business Honors kids or whatever that program is that UT has leads to some of the best finance placements coming out of undergrad.

That is not the purpose of this thread and if everyone continues to try program bashing or attacking other users for sharing information that would be useful to other applicants and future students I will report them. Keep it classy

Honestly, I don't know even know what you're talking about at this point. I never said that UT undergrad is highly ranked because of its STEM division nor did I ever say that choosing Vandy over CMC necessarily means that you'll get a worse starting offer at graduation. My point was that including network as a relevant variable, alongside placements, is essentially double counting when evaluating the quality of an MSF program. Placements are a function, in part, of network (much less so for MSFS).

A point that I'm also trying to make is that the MSF degree is a different animal from that of the MBA. A strong network gets a lot of weight placed on it when it comes to evaluating the quality of an MBA because (a) it's essentially just 2 years of bullshitting and networking and (b) there is a real culture associated with MBA's, a different experience that persists. The MSF, as far as I know, is a short, typically 9 month program, that provides hard, tangible skills which help you differentiate yourself from undergrads (which is what you'll most likely be competing with). You're basically in and out.

Also, why aren't we allowed to disagree with you on this matter? I have no personal stake in it either way.

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Jan 16, 2014

Report people for discussing placements of programs and where alumni are? Haha. Someone is power tripping lol.

Additionally, the purpose of this thread is to discuss MSF programs, placements, alumni, etc and help students make a decision. This is what this discussion is all about. I'd suggest you relax and allow other people provide opinions rather than continually trying to discount them (incorrectly I might add).

No one is "selling" Claremont. People are simply discussing its merits.

Jan 16, 2014

@"calikid3820" report people to WSO because they don't agree with you, hahaha

Dude, people are allowed to have opinions about CMC / Vandy, get over it

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Jan 16, 2014

I am cool with open discussion but I am not cool with people going back and forth for hours about how one is superior to the other and how everyone else is wrong... If you really think I am power tripping or trying to be some WSO god then stop posting on this thread and start your own MSF thread..

K then since everyone is sharing..

Anthony.. What program did you attend? What was your GPA? Did you have a job at graduation? Also you are not the end all be all of information relating to these schools please publish all information when you cite placements and information that you have.. I did a search on your site and could not find information relating to CMC placements past 2010 and your link referenced the same information I posted

@"adapt or die" I am cool with open discussion of pros and cons, but there are already 100's of posts relating to pros and cons of programs that is not what this is intended to be.. Which is why the title is "Current Students Q&A" sorry for trying to add value or help people out on this site. And having an opinion is stating that opinion.. arguing is going back and forth over how you are right and others are wrong.. I am guilty as well which I why I am trying to clean up the thread... + 1 for the troll

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Jan 16, 2014

Everyone knows my deal buddy. I've been transparent on this site since I started posting.

Syracuse UG, BNY ops for a brief time, HSBC rotational program then relationship management.

Nova MSF - 3.3GPA, Fellowship, Villanova Grant. 3+ years in credit post graduation.

I am going to give you a real nice suggestion. You should probably focus on the program you are in and doing well in this program. You already had one thread on this site removed for unprofessional behavior. Seems like a pattern.

I've have posted prior placements for Vandy and Claremont on my site. Some were from what they posted on their sites (subsequently removed or updated by the schools), others were from student reviews. I have also spoken to and know both adcoms. Not as a student, but as someone who 1) has an MSF and 2) who knows more about this space than you do.

In this thread I have simply disagreed with you. When you keep shoving the same incorrect information down peoples throat that is when I have said flat out you are wrong. Which you are.

I also find it funny how you are trying to "help" students as if you are a model alumni. Funny considering the blow back your last thread had among the alumni community.

Grow up, realize that other people have opinions and might know a little more than you about certain thing.

Jan 16, 2014

Lets see where I get my information. Hmmm.

Claremont

http://msfhq.com/claremont-mckenna-master-in-finance-program-student-review/

"Recruiting at Claremont McKenna College is especially strong for both investment banking and management consulting. Through CMC (on-campus, CMConnect posting, resume book, etc.), investment banking recruiting during my year included Wells Fargo, Lazard, Centerview Partners, Robert W. Baird, Harris Williams & Co., Sagent Advisors, D.A. Davidson, Houlihan Lokey, Macquarie Capital, JMP Securities, GCA Savvian, and others. Breaking into a bulge bracket will be tough as they typically target CMC undergrads for internships and then give return full-time offers. There are plenty of alums at bulge brackets though, so networking heavily with those firms is a good strategy if bulge bracket is your goal."

http://msfhq.com/claremont-mckenna-2010-placement/

Class of 2010 Master in Finance Placements

Caltech Investment Office (Pasadena, CA) - Risk Analyst
Cambridge Associates (Menlo Park, CA) - Analyst
Citi (New York, NY) - Quantitative Trader
Cowen & Co. (San Francisco, CA) - Investment Banking Analyst
Credit Suisse (Los Angeles, CA) - Investment Banking Analyst
DaVita, Inc. (Denver, CO) - Healthcare Analyst
GBM Grupo Bursatil Mexicano (Mexico City, Mexico) - Junior Executive
Hall Capital Partners (San Francisco, CA) - Private Wealth Mgmt. Analyst
Harris, Williams & Co. (San Francisco, CA) - Investment Banking Analyst
Houlihan Lokey (San Francisco, CA) - Investment Banking Analyst
Pivotal Investments, Ltd. (Hong Kong) - Vice President
PMF Group (Los Angeles, CA) - Analyst
Prager, Sealy & Co. (New York, NY) - Trader
Relational Investors (San Diego, CA) - Analyst
Union Bank (San Francisco, CA) - Analyst
Wells Fargo (San Francisco, CA) - Commodities Analyst

Augment this with what IS currently on the site, plus the fact that I know the director of admissions and we have talked about this before. Also, I have talked with countless alumni and know a current student. Oh and the LinkedIn group I started to help other MSF students network with each other (over 5,000 members now) has multiple CMC alumni and students.

Vanderbilt

http://msfhq.com/vanderbilt-updated-msf-class-profile-2011/

Companies Hiring 2011 Graduates:

Avondale Partners
BoA
Blue Cross Blue Shield Tennessee
Byblos Bank
Case Nissan El Paso, TX
Cerner
Fed Bank, NY
Gelber
Goldman Sachs
Lehman Roberts
Longbow Rsearch
Mylan Pharmacuticals
Southern Sun Asset Management
SSI Innovation - Simple C
Taylor, Bean and Whitaker

http://msfhq.com/vanderbilt-master-in-finance-2010-placement/

Companies Hiring 2010 Graduates:

Investment Banking

BAML Industrials NYC
DB Energy Houston
Harris Williams Boston
Sun Trust Robinson Humphrey ATL
Morgan Keegan Memphis
Stephens - Arkansas
Taylor DeJongh - D.C

Equity Research

Morgan Keegan

Misc

Algorithmic Programmer - Xambala
Financial Analyst - Harrah's Entertainment
Financial Analyst - LG Electronics
Management Consultant - Capgemeni
Financial Analyst x2 - Accredo Health
Actuarial Consultant x2 - Some consulting firm in Louisville
Financial Analyst - Balfour Beatty Energy Solutions

Add to this that I have a handful of student reviews, know alumni and current students as well as the director. Plus what is on the website.

So there are my sources. Sources I have built up over 4 years of helping students, going to MSF events, going to MSF program campuses, talking with adcoms, writing articles, speaking at events.

Those are my stats.

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