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4/5/12

----Original Message-----
From: [Me]
To: [Boutique President]
Subject: Summer Internship Application

Hey [First Name], I've attached my resume and cover letter below.

Cheers,
[My Name]

-----His Reply---------
From: [Boutique President]
To: [Me]
Subject: RE: Summer Internship Application

Hey [First Name]? Is that any way to address a cover note looking for a job?
You've got to be kidding me. I didn't even look at your resume because I
don't like your attitude. No internship for you sir.

Comments (197)

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4/5/12

Respond with: "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

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4/5/12
4/5/12

Did you know [First Name] personally? If so, I'm not sure why he responded that way and you should respond apologizing even if the offer is still off.

If you didn't know [First Name] personally, or at all, then you f*cked yourself pretty good by being unprofessional and retarded.

4/5/12

I didn't know him. Guess i fucked up pretty hard here. I'm still thinking of apologizing though is that a good idea?

4/5/12

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

4/5/12

im going to reply with this

Mr.[Last Name], I do apologize for the informal tone of my email. On that note, good luck in the future.

Cheers,

In reply to Boreed
4/5/12
Boreed:

Respond with: "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

I laughed

In reply to happypantsmcgee
4/5/12
happypantsmcgee:

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

this isnt cold emailing for a job. it was a posting on my schools career site

In reply to deadcatbounce
4/5/12
deadcatbounce:
happypantsmcgee:

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

this isnt cold emailing for a job. it was a posting on my schools career site

Unless they are a VERY close family friend, there's no reason to just say "Hey, here's my resume"

In reply to FLundertow
4/5/12
Anacott_CEO:
deadcatbounce:
happypantsmcgee:

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

this isnt cold emailing for a job. it was a posting on my schools career site

Unless they are a VERY close family friend, there's no reason to just say "Hey, here's my resume"

even if its a job posting? im not sure what more to add other than state the reason for emailing (subject line?)

In reply to deadcatbounce
4/5/12
deadcatbounce:
Anacott_CEO:
deadcatbounce:
happypantsmcgee:

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

this isnt cold emailing for a job. it was a posting on my schools career site

Unless they are a VERY close family friend, there's no reason to just say "Hey, here's my resume"

even if its a job posting? im not sure what more to add other than state the reason for emailing (subject line?)

Just the way you said it came off very unprofessional. Mr. [Last Name], I have attached my resume and cover letter to this email for your review. I am very interested in the position and I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you. - would've been received a lot better

In reply to FLundertow
4/5/12
Anacott_CEO:
deadcatbounce:
Anacott_CEO:
deadcatbounce:
happypantsmcgee:

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

this isnt cold emailing for a job. it was a posting on my schools career site

Unless they are a VERY close family friend, there's no reason to just say "Hey, here's my resume"

even if its a job posting? im not sure what more to add other than state the reason for emailing (subject line?)

Just the way you said it came off very unprofessional. Mr. [Last Name], I have attached my resume and cover letter to this email for your review. I am very interested in the position and I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you. - would've been received a lot better

noted for future emails, thanks. Yes i do feel stupid at the moment!

4/5/12

LOL wow. Hahahahaha this is hilarious. I'd be laughing my ass off if I got that email. Hahahahhaha

You should respond with: sorry brah, my bad. we cool?

4/5/12

When you go on a date, do you show up, whip your dick out and say "hey, here it is, give me what I want?"

Professionally speaking, you just did that.

Get busy living

4/5/12

Don't fucking use "cheers" as a sign off.

In reply to MagicKarp
4/5/12
MagicKarp:

LOL wow. Hahahahaha this is hilarious. I'd be laughing my ass off if I got that email. Hahahahhaha

You should respond with: sorry brah, my bad. we cool?

This could actually work. Try it, you have nothing to lose at this point.

"Brad, thanks for getting back to me, I'd like to work there and appreciate you pointing out that I should have explained that."

If nothing else, you'll get your own page on dealbreaker?

Get busy living

4/5/12

live and learn. Always use caution and try to be as formal as possible

4/5/12

This was great. Email him back saying

"Well then,

No amazing intern for you, bro"

4/5/12

hahahaha this just made my day. what year are you?

4/5/12

I don't think a first impression negative is going to help by calling him bro. If I were you, I'd call the place and ask to speak with him/her and be formal and try to be light hearted but professional. At least it shows that you give two craps and you're looking to make it up.

4/5/12

"No internship? So does that mean full-time offer?'

4/5/12

Haha, I'm surprised he even took the time to reply. Anyway, lesson learned and thanks for the laugh.

"Rage, rage against the dying of the light." - DT

4/5/12

can't respond "u mad brah?"

In reply to Boreed
4/5/12
Boreed:

Respond with: "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

I lol'd.

In reply to UFOinsider
4/5/12
UFOinsider:
MagicKarp:

LOL wow. Hahahahaha this is hilarious. I'd be laughing my ass off if I got that email. Hahahahhaha

You should respond with: sorry brah, my bad. we cool?

This could actually work. Try it, you have nothing to lose at this point.

Idk about this, finance is a small world. You might end up losing.

Leadership can be defined in two words: "Follow Me"

In reply to FLundertow
4/5/12
Anacott_CEO:
Boreed:

Respond with: "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

I laughed

I spit coffee all over my monitor

Who you calling a psycho?!?!

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4/5/12

How socially inept are you? How could you possibly think using such a tone would be a good idea?

In reply to 7Costanza
4/5/12
7Costanza:
Anacott_CEO:
Boreed:

Respond with: "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

I laughed

I spit coffee all over my monitor

oh yeah?! well i spewed my redbull onto my female MDs designer heels while simulatenously sharting a hole through my bonobos in front of the entire deal team!!!!

TOP THAT.

In reply to happypantsmcgee
4/5/12
happypantsmcgee:

You really sent the first email to this guy with nothing other than that one line? Are you retarded?

4/5/12

And no, I don't think the op is for real. Anyone that inept would just be stunned to receive such a "mean" response back. No one is that retarded.

In reply to illiniPride
4/5/12
illiniPride:
UFOinsider:
MagicKarp:

LOL wow. Hahahahaha this is hilarious. I'd be laughing my ass off if I got that email. Hahahahhaha

You should respond with: sorry brah, my bad. we cool?

This could actually work. Try it, you have nothing to lose at this point.

Idk about this, finance is a small world. You might end up losing.

LOL, the other part....he could really just come clean and say that he screwed up and thank him for even responding, and then ask what a better way of going about this would be. The answer is obvious, but being a little humble could rub this guy the right way. If indeed this is a small industry, this would put OP at par.

Anyone can make a mistake, but being stupid isn't negotiable.

Get busy living

4/5/12
4/5/12

I like your style.

"It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous. "

4/5/12
4/5/12

Very interesting tactic...

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer
"Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee

4/5/12

Are you fucking kidding me... U MAD BRO?

The HBS guys have MAD SWAGGER. They frequently wear their class jackets to boston bars, strutting and acting like they own the joint. They just ooze success, confidence, swagger, basically attributes of alpha males.
4/5/12

You better hope this guy didn't circulate your stupidity to his buddies like what happened to that jacked up bench pressing ego maniac from NYU.

4/5/12

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dude, you just made my day. I would go with the "nah bro, see you this summer" email or "no internship? so FT offer?" you literally have nothing to lose if the president is the contact point for recruiting interns then its got to be a chop shop, i'd go for it.

take advantage of Patrick's offer for a free guide. memorize that shit.

4/5/12

i dont see anything wrong with that email..i'd give him a job if he sent me that....as a classy janitor

I imagine you look like this OP..

(idk how to embed still)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ruUugi8-l8U/TCH-b1JhmqI/...

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

4/5/12

LOL I cant believe this made front page. It was just a small boutique guys!!

4/5/12

You messed up a bit on that email, but the guy sounds like a total douche.

A little more formality is required for New York. A lot more is required if this is London.

Seriously, I think some people will pay to see you follow up with "Sorry bro, my bad. We cool?" and post any responses. At the very least, I'll buy you a beer at the next WSO happy hour so we can share a good laugh about a douchey boutique President and/or HR Rep.

In reply to Michael Scarn
4/5/12
Michael Scarn:

Don't fucking use "cheers" as a sign off.

This bothers the shit out of me.

4/5/12

haha live and learn!

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

In reply to WallStreetOasis.com
4/5/12
In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12

IlliniProgrammer FTW

IlliniProgrammer:

You messed up a bit on that email, but the guy sounds like a total douche.

A little more formality is required for New York. A lot more is required if this is London.

Seriously, I think some people will pay to see you follow up with "Sorry bro, my bad. We cool?" and post any responses. At the very least, I'll buy you a beer at the next WSO happy hour so we can share a good laugh about a douchey boutique President and/or HR Rep.

This is classic.

However, I too hope this is intended for humour!

- Ostende Mihi Pecuniam -

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

You messed up a bit on that email, but the guy sounds like a total douche.

A little more formality is required for New York. A lot more is required if this is London.

Seriously, I think some people will pay to see you follow up with "Sorry bro, my bad. We cool?" and post any responses. At the very least, I'll buy you a beer at the next WSO happy hour so we can share a good laugh about a douchey boutique President and/or HR Rep.

You wanna have a beer with a tard so you can laugh in their face? That's mean brah.

In reply to wolverine19x89
4/5/12
4/5/12

Responding with "You've got to be kidding me. I didn't even look at your resume because I don't like your attitude." tells me that the guy is a bit of a bully. He's the president of his own firm, and he has nothing better to do than push some 20-year-old college kid who didn't know better around? Ignore the email, or if you're going to point out the deficiencies in the cover letter, at least do it without laughing at the poor kid and spitting in his face.

Most of us were nerds at one point here, most of us learned to fight off bullies; many of us helped our friends fight off bullies. We've also been clueless college students who had no clue how to write business emails; I feel inclined to back this kid and give the guy a mild comeuppance.

I think it's harmless fun to give this guy's chain another yank or two and see what happens. And it's in the president's interests to stay anonymous too. He's essentially checkmated himself, given his response email, if you think about it.

But the goal is for OP to shove this guy back after he got shoved, not to send the President to the hospital. We need to sleep on this and make sure this is just good, clean fun and that nobody's reputation is going to suffer long-term damage.

And it might be wise to take this off the front page, too.

4/5/12

I like Illini's idea of paying him to respond and using Boreed's response:

"Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

I'm in for $5 (plus networking guide)....

If you are up for throwing $5 to see this happen, let me know.

deadcatbounce, if you decide you want to collect the $s and humor us, all you have to bcc [email protected] on the response to him and fwd any responses back he sends. I won't release your name or his name/firm. we will collect the payments through Paypal and then fwd them onto you.

If you are in, send $5 to [email protected] paypal with subject "U Mad bro?"...if he decides not to do it, we will refund your $ by Monday.

4/5/12

Send to him a picture of your Lax tattoo.

4/5/12

I will also throw in $5 and unlimited PBRs in midtown if you follow Patrick's proposal.

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4/5/12

As long as you learn from your mistake, then this wasn't entirely fruitless.

Read the guides!

Best of luck!

Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe those who are dedicated.

4/5/12

OP do it! im pledging 5$ as well!

4/5/12

You guys shouldn't encourage him with that $5 bet.

Key words here: unintented consequences.

4/5/12
4/5/12

If you attached a cover letter, that email wasnt really a cover note. That's his first mistake.

Second, is getting back to you at all. Completely agree with IP, guy seems like a bully and it appears you can push his buttons a little. Definitely hit him back with something.

I'm down for PS5 (so more then the rest of you).

4/5/12

You guys shouldn't encourage him with that $5 bet.
Key words here: unintented consequences.

I'm trying to figure out how this turns pear-shaped for anyone involved. If we keep this off the main page and keep everyone's name anonymous, it's just a harmless prank, and a bully gets a mild comeuppance. And some of the cat is already out of the bag since this email got posted.

Hopefully the president laughs WITH us; if he doesn't, OP's damage is limited to that specific firm and nobody has their reputation hurt. Worst case for OP, if this somehow dealbreaker-level backfires, I'm the idiot who put him up to this. But I don't think we're being mean at all and I don't think anyone's going to get hurt. We're just yanking the guy a little. Boutique dude will forget about this after two weeks and (hopefully) become a better person for it.

I would still go with something a little more toned down than Patrick is suggesting. We don't want him losing sleep about you showing up at his office door come June. "Oops, sorry bout that brah, we cool for an interview? I can space you in aftr Rothschild on Teusday." Misspellings intentional.

The guy is going to be wondering "WTH??? HE got an interview with THEM???" If we put down GS or MS, it would look like bragging and/or lying, but Rothschild is a strong enough firm to raise some serious eyebrows while also being random enough to look completely unintentional.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

You guys shouldn't encourage him with that $5 bet.
Key words here: unintented consequences.

I'm trying to figure out how this turns pear-shaped for anyone involved. If we keep this off the main page and keep everyone's name anonymous, it's just a harmless prank, and a bully gets a mild comeuppance. And some of the cat is already out of the bag since this email got posted.

Hopefully the president laughs WITH us; if he doesn't, OP's damage is limited to that specific firm and nobody has their reputation hurt. Worst case for OP, if this somehow dealbreaker-level backfires, I'm the idiot who put him up to this. But I don't think we're being mean at all and I don't think anyone's going to get hurt. We're just yanking the guy a little.

Or the Prez is a turbo-douche and blasts off emails to his contacts at few other banks / boutiques in an attempt to blackball you. If it costs one interview is it worth it? Your call OP.

Leadership can be defined in two words: "Follow Me"

In reply to Boreed
4/5/12
Boreed:

Respond with: "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

HAHAHAHA!

In reply to illiniPride
4/5/12
illiniPride:
IlliniProgrammer:

You guys shouldn't encourage him with that $5 bet.
Key words here: unintented consequences.

I'm trying to figure out how this turns pear-shaped for anyone involved. If we keep this off the main page and keep everyone's name anonymous, it's just a harmless prank, and a bully gets a mild comeuppance. And some of the cat is already out of the bag since this email got posted.

Hopefully the president laughs WITH us; if he doesn't, OP's damage is limited to that specific firm and nobody has their reputation hurt. Worst case for OP, if this somehow dealbreaker-level backfires, I'm the idiot who put him up to this. But I don't think we're being mean at all and I don't think anyone's going to get hurt. We're just yanking the guy a little.

Or the Prez is a turbo-douche and blasts off emails to his contacts at few other banks / boutiques in an attempt to blackball you. If it costs one interview is it worth it? Your call OP.

Exactly.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

You guys shouldn't encourage him with that $5 bet.
Key words here: unintented consequences.

I'm trying to figure out how this turns pear-shaped for anyone involved. If we keep this off the main page and keep everyone's name anonymous, it's just a harmless prank, and a bully gets a mild comeuppance. And some of the cat is already out of the bag since this email got posted.

Hopefully the president laughs WITH us; if he doesn't, OP's damage is limited to that specific firm and nobody has their reputation hurt. Worst case for OP, if this somehow dealbreaker-level backfires, I'm the idiot who put him up to this. But I don't think we're being mean at all and I don't think anyone's going to get hurt. We're just yanking the guy a little. Boutique dude will forget about this after two weeks and (hopefully) become a better person for it.

I would still go with something a little more toned down than Patrick is suggesting. We don't want him losing sleep about you showing up at his office door come June. "Oops, sorry bout that brah, we cool for an interview? I can space you in aftr Rothschild on Teusday." Misspellings intentional.

The guy is going to be wondering "WTH??? HE got an interview with THEM???" If we put down GS or MS, it would look like bragging and/or lying, but Rothschild is a strong enough firm to raise some serious eyebrows while also being random enough to look completely unintentional.

Imagine if that employer gets mad after the 'prank' e-mail and tells his secretary to send an e-mail to other firms he deals with, telling them not to hire this kid or something.

I mean if he's a bully, he can do it.

Chances are slim, but when you're starting you're career in a historically shitty market, you've got to keep all your chances on your side. Don't want to cross the wrong individual.

To OP, if I were you, I'd just send him an e-mail saying you got carried away because you were really excited to work for the firm and you won't make that same mistake twice.

In reply to illiniPride
4/5/12
illiniPride:

Or the Prez is a turbo-douche and blasts off emails to his contacts at few other banks / boutiques in an attempt to blackball you. If it costs one interview is it worth it? Your call OP.

Exactly.

No, he'll stay quiet. He may be a bully, but he has to be smart to work in this industry. He probably doesn't want to draw any potential attention to hotheaded his response- especially from his friends. And we don't want that either. So if we can agree on those rules, this turns into an opportunity for a friendly prank.

As for scott, the goal here is to just have some good clean fun. We're not trying to hurt him, we're not trying to scare him, we're not trying to be mean. We're hoping he laughs with us that he may be a hotshot president but he can still get punk'd by a 20-year-old who didn't know how to write a cover letter until yesterday. But even if he doesn't laugh with us, I'm pretty sure this won't backfire.

You guys are obsessing too much. Professionals generally aren't spiteful like you think, but even if they are, the political calculus works out strongly against him letting ANYONE know he EVER had this conversation.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:
illiniPride:

Or the Prez is a turbo-douche and blasts off emails to his contacts at few other banks / boutiques in an attempt to blackball you. If it costs one interview is it worth it? Your call OP.

Exactly.

No, he'll stay quiet.

I bet $5 he won't.

4/5/12

^^Fair and probably true. But if I'm the OP I don't risk that unless I already have an offer in hand. Risk / Reward seems pretty skewed here and you never know when your going to catch someone on an off day. Presidents / MDs make mistakes too.

At the end of the day though it isn't my decision (and I would love to see the response).

Leadership can be defined in two words: "Follow Me"

In reply to Abdel
4/5/12
Abdel:

Imagine if that employer gets mad after the 'prank' e-mail and tells his secretary to send an e-mail to other firms he deals with, telling them not to hire this kid or something.

I mean if he's a bully, he can do it.

Honestly Abdel, are you really going to turn this into a chess game and make me explain every move we're making to you? He's NEVER going to do that, and if for some odd reason he does, he's cutting off his nose to take a sliver out of OP's toenail. I think most of his friends are going to identify his response as pretty mean-spirited, they're going to see that he got punk'd by a 20-year-old kid, and they're going to laugh with us and hopefully get the President to laugh with us too.

So 90%, probably 99% chance he keeps this private. Either because it will never occur to him to make it public or because he's smart enough not to shoot himself in the foot. OP may NEVER work for this guy's firm, but does he really want to work for someone who shoots off emails like that every time he makes a misspelling in a pitchbook?

To OP, if I were you, I'd just send him an e-mail saying you got carried away because you were really excited to work for the firm and you won't make that same mistake twice.

Let's not appease bullies here. That never worked.

In reply to illiniPride
4/5/12
illiniPride:

^^Fair and probably true. But if I'm the OP I don't risk that unless I already have an offer in hand. Risk / Reward seems pretty skewed here and you never know when your going to catch someone on an off day. Presidents / MDs make mistakes too.

At the end of the day though it isn't my decision (and I would love to see the response).

I can't put a guarantee on it, but I also can't guarantee that OP's offer from Goldman won't get pulled because the firm hits dire financial straits. Life involves risk. And OP has the opportunity here to do something mildly heroic and put a guy who's probably bullied dozens and dozens of people in his place without very much risk either. Knowing what I know today, I would take that risk as a 20-something. But yes, it is a risk. Standing up to bullies is ALWAYS a risk. But I think this is a calculated one.

4/5/12

i completely disagree that the president is a bully/douche. OP made a bone-headed move (which is OK, we all do these things), so he was taught a lesson.

can you imagine how more informal emails OP would have sent out if the president didn't respond?

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

In reply to sayandarula
4/5/12
sayandarula:

i completely disagree that the president is a bully/douche. OP made a bone-headed move (which is OK, we all do these things), so he was taught a lesson.

can you imagine how more informal emails OP would have sent out if the president didn't respond?

Your point? Tripping over your shoes does not give someone the right to laugh at you and "teach you a lesson." You either help the guy up and say, "hey, you might wanna tie your shoes," walk past them, or curtly point out "your shoelaces are untied" and walk on. Most people wouldn't say, "Are you kidding me? You tripped over your untied shoes?" unless they knew the person and were laughing WITH them. Because that would be mean otherwise.

The lesson would have been a simple reply stating that "We can't consider your application for this round due to deficiencies in your cover letter." That would have sufficed. Actually most firms would ignore the email and move on. Instead, some 40-year-old bank president was having a bad day and decided to be a troll to a college student:

You've got to be kidding me. I didn't even look at your resume because I don't like your attitude.

This is hardly teaching someone a lesson. The guy comes off as pretty darned cruel- unless of course he's laughing with the OP. In which case, we should have the opportunity to laugh with him, too.

Remember that kid who used to laugh at people when they tripped? The teacher who called people idiots and walked away when they got locked out of their locker? That might just be this guy.

If this does backfire, WE the seasoned professionals are going to take the brunt for putting OP up to this. A 20-year-old following the suggestions of wallstreeters is probably going to walk away from this and have it quickly forgotten. Us 25-year-olds are going to be the ones who get hurt. But it's a calculated risk we're willing to take if it has a MUCH better chance of turning someone who sounds like a bully into a nicer person.

4/5/12

This thread should have been on misc. BB would love this shit.
+1 so much win.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

In reply to WallStreetOasis.com
4/5/12
WallStreetOasis.com:

I like Illini's idea of paying him to respond and using Boreed's response:

"Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer."

I'm in for $5 (plus networking guide)....

If you are up for throwing $5 to see this happen, let me know.

deadcatbounce, if you decide you want to collect the $s and humor us, all you have to bcc [email protected] on the response to him and fwd any responses back he sends. I won't release your name or his name/firm. we will collect the payments through Paypal and then fwd them onto you.

If you are in, send $5 to [email protected] paypal with subject "U Mad bro?"...if he decides not to do it, we will refund your $ by Monday.

Patrick / IP, while I also think it would be hysterical to reply back "Hehe, good one bro. See you in summer." the only reservation I have is that the kid said he got the posting through OCR... being a smart ass in response could damage the relationship the school has with that firm, which isn't the end of the world, but then again the guy could just look past it. But things like this have undermined the credibility of a school's candidates before. Just a thought... I personally think it would be worth the risk for a laugh...

4/5/12

wow....fail.

Suggestion: be more formal, as im sure you learned

4/5/12

Well, it's a risk. There is a 5% chance this will cause some localized damage to OP's job hunt attempts. But the guy isn't Lloyd Blankfein and only knows two or three other potential firms at best.

The consensus among experienced guys seems to be *largely* congealing around the fact that the guy is a bully. There's obviously some disagreement, but I don't think this is going to be worse than a mild, forgettable controversy for the OP if the president CCs a bunch of people and this makes dealbreaker. The average case, I think (and I am a bit of an optimist), is that a few people won't like this, but a lot of people will see OP as having a lot of guts. Very worst case, it's going to backfire on the experienced guys who put you up to this stunt, not you.

There are too many bullies in this industry. We need to stand up to them.

In reply to WallStreetOasis.com
4/5/12
In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

Well, it's a risk. There is a 5% chance this will cause some localized damage to OP's job hunt attempts. But the guy isn't Lloyd Blankfein and only knows two or three other potential firms at best.

The consensus among experienced guys seems to be *largely* congealing around the fact that the guy is a bully. There's obviously some disagreement, but I don't think this is going to be worse than a mild, forgettable controversy for the OP if the president CCs a bunch of people and this makes dealbreaker.

You know, these days, it can actually make it on the dealbreaker, lol. I mean, trailmix story made it.

Title could be '' entitled & arrogant new generation of kids cain't find jobs''

4/5/12

You know, these days, it can actually make it on the dealbreaker, lol. I mean, trailmix story made it.
Title could be '' entitled & arrogant new generation of kids cain't find jobs''

More likely it will be "Angry bank president gives lessons to college kid on cover letters." followed by a lot of comments with props to OP along with some detractions. And the embarassment for the banker will suck away most of the negative attention from the OP.

We've got a general consensus of the working professionals here that the president is a bully. This will at worst, be a controversy that quickly blows over for him. And in the very worst case, it will backfire on the adults who put him up to this.

Again, we're talking about really far out tail cases here. It will never get to this because it won't occur to the president to tell anyone about this, if it does, he'll be too smart to shoot himself in the foot, and if he shoots himself in the foot, he probably does not have enough connections to do more than mild damage to OP's recruiting efforts.

Abdel, I used to have issues with anxiety too. Then I learned to always fight back when a bully tried to hurt me. The truly scary thing in life is that you never learn to stick up for yourself.

In reply to deadcatbounce
4/5/12
deadcatbounce:

im going to reply with this

Mr.[Last Name], I do apologize for the informal tone of my email. On that note, good luck in the future.

Cheers,

Troll.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:
sayandarula:

i completely disagree that the president is a bully/douche. OP made a bone-headed move (which is OK, we all do these things), so he was taught a lesson.

can you imagine how more informal emails OP would have sent out if the president didn't respond?

Your point? Tripping over your shoes does not give someone the right to laugh at you and "teach you a lesson." You either help the guy up and say, "hey, you might wanna tie your shoes," walk past them, or curtly point out "your shoelaces are untied" and walk on. Most people wouldn't say, "Are you kidding me? You tripped over your untied shoes?" unless they knew the person and were laughing WITH them. Because that would be mean otherwise.

The lesson would have been a simple reply stating that "We can't consider your application for this round due to deficiencies in your cover letter." That would have sufficed. Actually most firms would ignore the email and move on. Instead, some 40-year-old bank president was having a bad day and decided to be a troll to a college student:

You've got to be kidding me. I didn't even look at your resume because I don't like your attitude.

This is hardly teaching someone a lesson. The guy comes off as pretty darned cruel- unless of course he's laughing with the OP. In which case, we should have the opportunity to laugh with him, too.

Remember that kid who used to laugh at people when they tripped? The teacher who called people idiots and walked away when they got locked out of their locker? That might just be this guy.

If this does backfire, WE the seasoned professionals are going to take the brunt for putting OP up to this. A 20-year-old following the suggestions of wallstreeters is probably going to walk away from this and have it quickly forgotten. Us 25-year-olds are going to be the ones who get hurt. But it's a calculated risk we're willing to take if it has a MUCH better chance of turning someone who sounds like a bully into a nicer person.

With all due respect, I must disagree... I think the guy did OP a favor. Maybe he was harsh, but he lightened the blow with the "no internship for you sir" quip at the end.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

4/5/12

With all due respect, I must disagree... I think the guy did OP a favor. Maybe he was harsh, but he lightened the blow with the "no internship for you sir" quip at the end.

I read it with a much harsher tone. If that wasn't his intended tone, he'll laugh with us on the prank.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

You know, these days, it can actually make it on the dealbreaker, lol. I mean, trailmix story made it.
Title could be '' entitled & arrogant new generation of kids cain't find jobs''

More likely it will be "Angry bank president gives lessons to college kid on cover letters." followed by a lot of comments with props to OP along with some detractions. And it will be a big embarassment for the bank president.

We've got a general consensus of the working professionals here that the president is a bully. This will at worst, be a controversy that quickly blows over for him. And in the very worst case, it will backfire on the adults who put him up to this.

You're willing to risk this kid's career in this type of market just for fun?

There is probably a .001% chance that this bully owner won't hesitate to damage someone who tries to make him look stupid. But still..I wouldn't risk it.

And remember, he got in contact with the man via his school career center. So this can end up in the school losing him as a potential employer.

4/5/12

^calling him out on such a stupid move isn't "trolling." I could have made a smoother move in 7th grade than this idiot makes IN COLLEGE.

If you don't have the professionalism to at least TRY to sound a little better in an email, then you don't deserve whatever position you are seeking. Realize you are wrong and the guy you were emailing is right, move on, and don't do it again.

In reply to Abdel
4/5/12
Abdel:

You're willing to risk this kid's career in this type of market just for fun?

There is probably a .001% chance that this bully owner won't hesitate to damage someone who tries to make him look stupid. But still..I wouldn't risk it.

And remember, he got in contact with the man via his school career center. So this can end up in the school losing him as an employer.

Nobody is risking this kid's career. The guy runs a boutique shop. He probably knows guys at a few other boutiques that have the same coverage as him, and maybe he knows people at one major bank. That's about it.

If he knew people everywhere, his name would be Lloyd Blankfein.

When you stand up to a bully, there is always a 0.01% chance you get sent to the emergency room and suffer parapelegia. But the odds of you winning and learning to stand up for yourself are thousands of times better. In this case, OP's worst-case situation is MUCH better. He's not getting into a fight. He's just getting even.

It's ultimately up to the OP. But I like these odds.

4/5/12

You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:
Abdel:

You're willing to risk this kid's career in this type of market just for fun?

There is probably a .001% chance that this bully owner won't hesitate to damage someone who tries to make him look stupid. But still..I wouldn't risk it.

And remember, he got in contact with the man via his school career center. So this can end up in the school losing him as an employer.

Nobody is risking this kid's career. The guy runs a boutique shop. He probably knows guys at a few other boutiques that have the same coverage as him, and maybe he knows people at one major bank. That's about it.

If he knew people everywhere, his name would be Lloyd Blankfein.

On other details, we can discuss.

But you cain't deny that it is too risky to do it when the kid got in touch with him via his school career center.

4/5/12

On other details, we can discuss.
But you cain't deny that it is too risky to do it when the kid got in touch with him via his school career center.

That's a risk too, but 80% chance the president doesn't complain and 90% chance that if he does, they side with OP. Regardless, I didn't get my first job out of school through campus recruiting.

I agree with you that there's a risk. There's always a risk in standing up to bullies. But if you NEVER take a risk, you never transcend the bullies. This is a good opportunity to shove back.

In reply to ChrisHansen
4/5/12
FusRoDah:

^calling him out on such a stupid move isn't "trolling." I could have made a smoother move in 7th grade than this idiot makes IN COLLEGE.

If you don't have the professionalism to at least TRY to sound a little better in an email, then you don't deserve whatever position you are seeking. Realize you are wrong and the guy you were emailing is right, move on, and don't do it again.

The guy was right, but he did not have to be an ass.

If you lock yourself out of your locker, yes, that's not a bright move. But if someone laughs at you, calls you an idiot, and walks away, what does that say about them?

What does that say about a 40 year old bank executive? What is it like to have to work for a guy like that? If the president doesn't hire OP, maybe one of his subordinates will after he gets screamed at for a missing comma.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:

On other details, we can discuss.
But you cain't deny that it is too risky to do it when the kid got in touch with him via his school career center.

That's a risk too, but 80% chance the president doesn't complain and 90% chance that if he does, they side with OP. Regardless, I didn't get my first job out of school through campus recruiting.

I agree with you that there's a risk. There's always a risk in standing up to bullies. But if you NEVER take a risk, you never transcend the bullies. This is a good opportunity to shove back.

A plausible scenario:

OP sends the e-mail

Bully owner contacts the school, show the e-mail and asks them to delete his name off their potential employers list.

Not only you penalized OP in the eyes of the school, but other kids who maybe would of used that contact and launch their career.

So, in the search of one joke, you'll help ruin alot of kids careers debut and maybe lives (who knows).

I would of done it if we were 10-20 years ago when finance was popping. Now, I wouldn't.

In reply to Abdel
4/5/12
Abdel:

A plausible scenario:

OP sends the e-mail

Bully owner contacts the school, show the e-mail and asks them to delete his name off their potential employers list.

Bully owner is a boutique who hires one or two kids every year. So this isn't General Electric. They're going to move slowly, bring OP in and ask what happened. If this is a state school, OP is actually entitled to due process before they take ANY action against him. That's where he gets his emails out and also says a bunch of 20-something professionals figured the guy was a bully and it was a reasonable move.

Not only you penalized OP in the eyes of the school, but other kids who maybe would of used that contact and launch their career.

Trust me, he doesn't sound like the kind of guy anyone wants to work for.

I would of done it if we were 10-20 years ago when finance was popping. Now, I wouldn't.

The unemployment rate is dropping dramatically right now. OP will be in pretty good shape when he graduates next year.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
4/5/12
IlliniProgrammer:
FusRoDah:

^calling him out on such a stupid move isn't "trolling." I could have made a smoother move in 7th grade than this idiot makes IN COLLEGE.

If you don't have the professionalism to at least TRY to sound a little better in an email, then you don't deserve whatever position you are seeking. Realize you are wrong and the guy you were emailing is right, move on, and don't do it again.

The guy was right, but he did not have to be an ass.

If you lock yourself out of your locker, yes, that's not a bright move. But if someone laughs at you, calls you an idiot, and walks away, what does that say about them? What does that say about a 40 year old bank executive? What is it like to have to work for a guy like that? If the president doesn't hire OP, maybe one of his subordinates will after he gets screamed at for a missing comma.

I agree with you on this one

4/5/12

^too tame... I recommend OP pulls one of these:

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

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