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The Comprehensive List of Transfer Friendly Schools For Investment Banking

Hello Monkeys, I am currently in the process of transferring and was frustrated by the lack of a centralized source of information about transfer friendly schools for IB, so I made one for the website. Anyone who has some value to add related to placement from any of these schools, please comment so I can make this more detailed and useful for students looking to transfer.

Note: I will intentionally leave out schools with really low rates of transfer because for most applicants, they're unrealistic to consider.

best transfer schools for investment banking

Northwestern (12.5% transfer acceptance rate) - Solid school for IB, especially in Chicago, but placement is decent in NYC as well. Overall, more people are interested in consulting (MBB's are big on campus) and there are generally 50 or so people in a class interested in banking.

Vanderbilt University (25-33% transfer acceptance rate) - Extremely fun school with a loyal alumni network. Most of the banking recruitment comes from southern banks like Harris Williams, Stephens, SunTrust, Raymond James and Wells Fargo as most students here are southern focused. However, NYC is possible and there have been a lot of people go to Bank of America (The most analysts at BAML come from Wharton, followed closely by Vanderbilt.)

Emory (25% transfer acceptance rate): Accepts transfers into business school only after spending 1 year as a pre business major, before applying to the business school. This is a risk because many people have attempted to do this and have been forced to settle with an econ major, which does not enjoy the same recruitment and respect as the Goizeuta business majors. I know of a kid who transferred to Emory and was WAITLISTED and eventually accepted with a 4.0 GPA before transfer and a 4.0 while at Emory for a year. He was not accepted until midway through the summer and planned to be an econ major but at the last minute a spot opened. It seems that transfer students are at a disadvantage when applying to the business school. However, if you are willing to take the risk, Gouizeta has solid regional placement in places like Charlotte, Raleigh and especially Atlanta for banking.

Duke: (10.7% transfer rate, extremely competitive as reflected below)- Great school, good placement in New york and in the south and has a solid name brand. Admission as transfer is very competitive (like undergrad). Solid stats are needed.

University of California - Berkeley: Berkeley has a very good national brand and does well in New York. However, most of the graduates will gravitate towards jobs in Los Angeles and San Francisco for obvious location reasons. The acceptance rate for out of state transfers is extremely low at around 4%. Most of the transfers come from California community colleges.

University of California - Los Angeles - Similar to Berkeley, with about a 5-8% transfer rate for out of state residents.

University of Southern California - Transfer rate, 25% to Marshall business program. Each year USC successfully places a good amount of students in banking, mostly in San Francisco. USC has a very strong alumni base and will fight to help students succeed.

University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill - UNC has a relatively high transfer admission rate, however they do not accept students directly into the business program (Kenan Flagler). Transfers will have to apply after one semester at UNC to the business school. Transfers are at a disadvantage and many solid transfer students do not get accepted and have to settle as econ. However I have heard stories of people transferring successfully, there is still a risk to it. Kenan Flagler students enjoy recruiting from many of the top banks in Charlotte and New York. UNC gets a lot of respect and has a very strong alumni base. The econ students do not enjoy the OCR opportunities for investment banks that the business students do.

Georgetown University - 10% acceptance rate, places very well into NYC IB. I have personally met numerous people in banking and trading at top firms in New York.

Cornell AEM/Hotel school/any school- Cornell is known as the most transfer friendly Ivy league school, and it places very well into banking. Cornell has an out of state, non community college transfer rate of about 10% with most of the successful applicants having GPA's above a 3.8 and a solid ACT or SAT.

Indiana University - Bloomington - Indiana enjoys solid recruiting for finance students in both New York and Chicago. If you are able to join the investment-banking workshop you will almost certainly place into an MM at the very least. However, as a transfer you will need to apply to the business school after a semester or two. I am not aware of the rates of admission but I believe if you maintain a certain GPA you are automatically accepted. I have seen people transfer into Indiana and place into banking. One of the problems with Indiana is that they actively try to weed out kids by making classes very difficult, and the GPA of students applying to the business school is often hurt because of this. Watch out for that

University of Pennsylvania - Econ - Even Econ majors at Penn place very well for IB. You're obviously better off being in Wharton but the transfer rate is insanely low into Wharton and almost unrealistic for applicants without perfect extracurricular and stats. Penn has a transfer rate around 9%.

Brown University - 5% transfer rate (extremely competitive), solid placement everywhere.

University of Virginia - Econ - Mcintire's transfer rate is extremely low outside of the Virginia community college system. Econ placement is not as strong or sought after as Mcintire. Econ majors also don't enjoy access to on campus recruiting

University of Michigan - Ross - Transferring into Ross requires staying for a year and applying to Ross after completion. Transferring in is very competitive, but if you can pull it off, Ross enjoys solid placement in Chicago and NYC. I personally would not take the risk of being an econ major if not being accepted to Ross after a year, but that's just me.

Columbia - 6% (extremely competitive) acceptance rate, solid placement into IB.

New York University - Econ - Sterns transfer acceptance rate is extremely low, many transfers opt to do econ as they have access to Sterns OCR. I cannot speak firsthand about the placement for Econ, but I can tell you that it is very competitive, but certainly possible to break into IB as an econ at NYU. It helps with networking being in the city. However, I consider NYU econ to be a last resort. There are better options.

University of Wisconsin - Madison : ~ 40% transfer rate. UWM places well into Chicago and some of the top students make it to NYC. It is definitely possible to succeed and the alumni network pulls for the students. If you participate in the Investment Banking club at UW Madison you will have the opportunity to travel to New York and Chicago for networking trips. I gained a lot of respect for UW Madison when I checked LinkedIn for alumni in banking.

Villanova University Does not accept transfers into the business school except as an internal transfer after attending for a period. Very few external transfers are accepted. Villanova enjoys decent placement into NYC and has a strong alumni base. I don't know much about Villanova but there is not a lot of information about transferring into the business school available online.

UT Austin - Mccombs More information needed on placement. UT austin is a step above the other Texas schools for placement outside of Texas.

Other Texas/Energy focused Schools Rice University, Baylor, Texas A&M, Southern Methodist, TCU, Tulane. All of these schools are the best places you can go if you are interested in working in the south, especially in Dallas or Houston. Lots of energy jobs available. I know firsthand that students from SMU are capable of placing into NYC IB, but many of the students choose to live in the south. I mean why not? The women are beautiful and it's always warm and sunny. Also the cost of living is much lower, and from what I hear, the pay is comparable to NYC.

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Comments (207)

Apr 6, 2014

@SouthernAlpha ILR and Hotel also are good for transfers at Cornell. ILR is especially transfer friendly, and hotel has a finance focus. Plus you get the same OCR as AEM

Apr 6, 2014

Thanks Big Shot, I will make changes to reflect your comment.

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Apr 6, 2014

Of course, Also if you need some more information, let me know and I'd be happy to supply it

Apr 7, 2014

Great list. This is WSO.
+1 if I had any :-(

Apr 6, 2014

Great list. Would this be similar for MBB and consulting?

Apr 6, 2014

Jpfwgyom,

Short answer : For most schools Yes.

Long answer: For the most part I would say this list applies for high finance in general, however I do have to say that because consulting is often more prestige and accomplishment oriented (From what I have read, high GPA and top school is more essential, compared to IB where work experience is most important, while GPA comes secondary, could be wrong though, hopefully some people in MBB can chime in) than Investment banking, it is possible that some of the schools like UWmadison, which is pretty good for banking because of their resources and network in banking, could be less successful for consulting.

However, I know for a fact that students at schools like Emory, Vandy, Duke, Ross, UNC and UCLA and Berkeley all place pretty well in consulting as well as banking.

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Apr 6, 2014

What about Darthmouth? The D-Plan gotta be an advantage for getting off-cycle internships and everyone talks about alumni connections.

Apr 6, 2014

Dartmouth accepts about 15-20 students per year. More than half of the transfers come from top schools that are targets anyway (BC, Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, Pomona, etc.).That leaves Dartmouth with an acceptance rate for non target students of about 1.5-3% depending on the year.

I consider that too low to consider, but I am sure there are people that are capable of making the jump. Just not the majority.

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Apr 9, 2014

very few spots open in off-cycle program. I think is 2-3 per bank for Dartmouth's fall/winter internship time

Apr 6, 2014

Would add UT, SMU, Rice for Houston placement.

Apr 6, 2014

I have added some of the texas schools to reflect your comment.

Do you have any insight on UT- Austins and Rice's placement in and outside of Texas for banking?

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Apr 6, 2014
SouthernAlpha:

I have added some of the texas schools to reflect your comment.

Do you have any insight on UT- Austins and Rice's placement in and outside of Texas for banking?

UT you can definitely place in NYC, but Houston is the primary target.

Rice is almost entirely Houston for Energy Banking.

No idea on TCU/Baylor/Tulane. You seem to have updated SMU appropriately in the above.

Apr 7, 2014

I love that you shamelessly promote the south on this forum.

(I'm not being sarcastic)

Apr 6, 2014

:) I am kind of biased as you can probably tell by my name. However, I must say that southern jobs often get a bad rap. Many people want to work in New York for the wrong reasons and don't realize how awesome the south can be in terms of lifestyle. Although career progression is probably better starting in New York, there are many compelling opportunities available in Dallas, Charlotte, and Atlanta for finance people. It completely depends on what you're interested in. Personally, I actually want to work in New York city for the beginning of my career because of my interest in Hedge funds. However, I have no interest in staying in the city for more than 10 years. I want to move back down south as soon as possible.

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Apr 7, 2014

For TCU and SMU, if you know could you elaborate a little more about the banks that recruit there?

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Apr 7, 2014

Well you seem to know what you're doing, but if you'd like advice (particularly when it comes to making the jump from the south to NYC) feel free to PM me. I'd be happy to help a fellow southerner who has his/her act together.

If you're at a southern non-target, transferring up is about the smartest thing you can do.

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Apr 7, 2014

What are people's thoughts on Colgate, Wesleyan, Wake Forest, or Trinity for IB, finance, and overall desirable job placement and opportunities

Apr 7, 2014

I don't go to Colgate but I've heard from a friend that Colgate sends quite a few kids to IB. Can't comment on Wesleyan, WF, and Trinity.

Apr 11, 2014

Colgate is probably one of the best schools out there in general for IB. They are well represented on the street and alums really pull for them. Wesleyan might have a bit of OCR in general (doubtful in IB), but WF and Trinity aren't even on the map.

Apr 7, 2014

As someone who is intending on transferring to a school with better recruiting, this list is awesome. Thank you for putting this together.

Sep 13, 2016

Hey! I'm trying to do the same thing! Could you message me personally so that we could talk?

Apr 7, 2014

I was a UNC grad, transfer, and econ major. Not true that econ students don't get OCR for investment banks. While Kenan-Flagler has its own career services, investment banks also post front office positions on the general career services system available to the whole student body.

Pro-tip: the business minor is only a few classes, and you can easily register for business classes if you do a summer session. This way you can get the best of both.

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Apr 6, 2014

Julian, Thanks for the note, I will make a revision, that helps alot. Have you seen success in terms of placement from econ majors with business minors at UNC?

And also, in response to your comment about UCLA and Duke lacking business schools at the undergrad level, yes that is true, however, from what I am aware of, the econ majors are essentially treated as business majors when it comes to recruitment. I will be sure to make changes to make a distinction.

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Apr 6, 2014

I actually just got into UNC chapel hill. Waiting on Vanderbilt and Georgetown.

UNC would be awesome, but I need more information on recruiting. Any chance you can expand on what you said here? Is it significantly harder as an econ major from UNC to break in? Does it help to double major in Econ and something else (Bio, History, etc)

Let me know what you think. Obviously it is stupid to expect admisison into KF, and I consider it risky.

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Apr 19, 2014

Do you have any other options?

May 8, 2016

What were your stats? Did you get into vandy?

Apr 7, 2014

I should also mention that some of the schools that you listed, like Duke and UCLA, do not offer business on the undergraduate level so you will need to study Econ or similar. This is not to say that those schools are "bad" but should just reiterate that you don't need to be a business major to get OCR access.

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Apr 7, 2014

Suppose you were in the UMD College Park business school, would it be worthwhile to transfer to another school or are there opportunities at Maryland? Considering going there next year. Thanks

Apr 6, 2014

I know of some people that have broken into NYC bb's from there. It's definitely possible. If there's better options, definitely go for the better option, however, it's doable.

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Apr 7, 2014

Mccombs external transfers need a 3.8+ gpa

Apr 7, 2014

McCombs is primarily a feeder into the energy banks, but they send around 10-25 every year to NY.

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Apr 7, 2014

OP, thanks for this great post. Just wanted to ask if USC grads primarily go to SF banking. Do you know if USC kids go to VC in the West Coast? USC just seems like an awesome school all around and the transfer rate for Marshall is relatively high.

Apr 6, 2014

quote from another thread

Banks that recruit at USC off the top of my head (in no particular order cos all you monkeys are obsessed with rankings):
Bulge brackets:
1. Goldman Sachs
2. Morgan Stanley
3. BAML
4. Credit Suisse
5. BarCap
6. Citi
7. UBS
8. JPM
9. Lazard (sometimes)
10. Wells Fargo

MM/Boutiques firms:
1. Jefferies
2. Piper Jaffray
3. Houlihan Lokey
4. Stifel Weisel
5. Guggenheim
6. Greenhill
7. Prudential Securities
8. Wedbush Securities
9. Macquarie

Hedge funds/PE:
1. Relational Investors
2. Summit Partners

Informal recruiting also for Centerview.

Somehow, DB and Moelis only recruits at UCLA, but USC kids get interviews through network

P.S. Feel free to build on this list if anyone knows anything more

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Apr 7, 2014

Shit. I didn't know that USC was recruited by BBs. Once again, great post man.

Apr 7, 2014

Very good comprehensive list. Was just looking at this type of stuff yesterday. So thanks for compiling it!

Apr 7, 2014

Hmm, I didn't know Stern's transfer acceptance rate was low. I knew it was low for other NYU schools (e.g. CAS) but there are a bunch of transfers from other schools. It's easy to get screwed in terms of credit and required classes though. Stern may get a lot of shit here but it's definitely way better than NYU CAS Econ for banking.

Apr 7, 2014

A bit more info for Villanova B-School transfer:

I was accepted as an external junior transfer with 3.85-3.90 GPA and 32 ACT. I believe that as long as you fit their class's profile, then you should be accepted. What I mean is that I didn't have any leadership roles or anything special on my resume/essay when I applied, but my stats and classes taken were pretty similar to a typical VSB student's. So I personally didn't think it was that hard to externally transfer in, especially since they didn't even require recommendation letters. I know some internal transfers who weren't successful, and that could probably be attributed to when they applied and the type of coursework taken.

Apr 8, 2014

Cornell ILR is crazy easy to transfer into if you're even decently intelligent. Far easier than AEM/A&S/Hotel

Apr 8, 2014

Wish I had this 2 years ago ... ugh. Oh well, great list, thanks!

Apr 8, 2014

Duke transfer friendly? I'm very knowledgeable and experienced in the transfer admissions process and Duke is definitely not easy to get into transferring. You're even further off by listing Brown and Columbia. Even Gergetown is pushing it. Brown is among some of the least transfer friendly schools in the country.

Also for schools like Cornell, the statistics are misleading. I know you mentioned it in your post, but the >20% acceptance rate comes from the guaranteed CC transfers. I was accepted to a Emory/Vanderbilt/ND type school and I had a 3.9 GPA at my time of transfer with solid recs and essays. A large part of the transfer admissions process is luck; so although you may see a 10% at a Duke/NW as possible, it's far harder to get into one than you think. A more realistic goal is to shoot for schools with over 25% acceptance rate, as there are always spots for legacies, guaranteed transfers, etc. The transfer admissions process is a different ballgame.

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Apr 7, 2014

Duke is very difficult to get into as a transfer they accept around 20-25 students out of almost 700. Also for all of these schools it is important to consider that if the transfer acceptance rate is 10 percent like it is for brown and penn that a few percent will probably go to transfer athletes, people who know board of trustees or something, and then the 4.0's from another target school. Only a few percent for strong but normal applicants. It is definitely harder then people think and even that the numbers indicate trying to transfer into a lot of these schools.

Apr 8, 2014

Kind of a side track, but does Dartmouth have good IBD placement in NYC? People keep talking about the alumni network but I haven't seen its workings first hand.

Apr 8, 2014

I couldn't find information about Vanderbilt undergrad business degrees, am I missing something?

Apr 6, 2014

If I remember correctly, Vanderbilt does not offer a business degree, you gotta do econ or math

Apr 8, 2014

Again, speaking from experience I'll make a list of the schools that are "reach" for people with 3.5+ GPA, decent recs and decent HS GPA and above average essay.

Vanderbit, Emory, UVA, UNC, UM, UT, USC, NYU. These are "realistic" and if you work hard you will have a decent shot.

Georgetown and Cornell will be somewhat of a crapshoot. Georgetown is going to be harder than the previous schools but it is still doable.

Every other school on the list will involve over 50% luck.

Apr 8, 2014

Vandy econ with a 3.6+ GPA and some networking should put you in NYC, that is if you're socially competent and decent at interviewing.

Apr 9, 2014

If you're going to list TCU and Tulane, throw in Baylor into the mix. It's not a traditional high finance school, but on par with others in the state (outside of UT, Rice, and SMU) and is only getting stronger.

Apr 9, 2014

comment on Colgate: went there my freshmen year-- great school and it puts you in a really good position for IB positions in NYC (my older brother pulled 2 year IB analyst at Morgan Stanley coming out of Colgate).

As for Texas schools @SouthernAlpha, I would add Trinity University.. it's got a good network for IB/energy in Houston and a lot of investment firm/AM firm guys in Dallas & San Antonio

Apr 7, 2014

did you leave Colgate? and if so where did you transfer to? It seems they place students extremely well in finance and have very strong and active alumni network

Apr 9, 2014

I did transfer, which obviously wasn't the best decisions for a prospective career in IB but it was for a variety of personal reasons.. I actually go to Trinity University now in San Antonio. While it's not the best IB route, I got interviews at Morgan, UBS, and Houlihan Lokey (I plugged both UBS/houlihan through Trinity alums working there). However, I can most definitely vouch for Colgate being a great school for getting into IB. Most of my friends there got interviews at the BB banks. I'm not sure how transfer friendly it is but I imagine it's much like the other schools he listed.

Apr 9, 2014

I can vouch for UT Austin. Goldman, Wells Fargo, Evercore, Greenhill, RBC, and a couple other boutiques recruit for NY IB slots right on campus through the business school's OCR system (you have to be a business major/preferably finance obviously). Placement was crazy good this year and there are several going to Goldman NY full-time and as summer interns (as well as at Wells, Evercore, and Greenhill). A few others backdoored their way into MS and JPM. That said, the vast majority prefer to bank in Houston, and UT absolutely crushes every other Texas school for Houston IB placement. Every Houston bank recruits like half their analysts from UT, and I know very few guys who actually went through IB recruiting without holding offers at the end.

The other good thing is that a lot of McCombs (that's the b-school) kids prefer to do consulting/corp. fin./accounting instead, so the competition isn't as intense as at other target schools. Overall, UT is the best place if you want to bank in Houston, and the best place in Texas if you want to bank in NY. Most McCombs kids do legitimately prefer Houston though, because compensation is the same (~$120-150 1st year salary + bonus), but the cost of living is unfathomably cheaper. I know guys who pocket 80% of their salary each month as pure profit. Plus no state income tax (!). Only downside is most of your exit opps will also happen to be in Houston, so it really does need to be something you're interested in for the long term.

Apr 9, 2014

Can second this, although I haven't paid attention on placement and just remember the list of super days. Apollo also has a resume drop for summer interns from the sophomore class.

Primarily BHP kids that get offers as far as I'm aware. No clue on placement for McCombs ex-BHP.

Apr 9, 2014

Yeah non-BHP kids are certainly discounted, but I still know a few who broke into Houston. They care more about prior work experience, GPA, and your networking efforts than anything else.

Apr 9, 2014

Good stuff! As a former transfer student this list would've helped me alot when I was in the process of transferring. Its a way in that shouldn't be neglected.

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Apr 9, 2014

I'm helping a number of students at the local community college near home with their transfer applications so these stats are really great to have. Thanks!

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Apr 9, 2014

@ottoreadmore In that case, have your best students look at Amherst College. I have no idea what their recruiting is like with bulge bracket banks but given their academic reputation, it would be a great place for some students to land. I mention Amherst because they have recently started/accelerated entry to those transferring into their school from community colleges.
Take a look for yourself: https://www.amherst.edu/admission/apply/transfer/c...

Hope this helps!

Apr 6, 2014

@"bkerls14" keep in mind the transfer rate to Amherst is less than 5% with extreme competition. There are a ton of schools out there that have better, tried and true placement, with higher acceptance rates. However, Amherst is an awesome school if you can get in. But with a 5% transfer rate like that I would rather go to duke or columbia, assuming the same amount of competitive applicants.

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Apr 9, 2014

Cool. I'll definitely take a look. I'm sure some of the students will be interested, but getting through the process is a different beast.

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Apr 9, 2014

Great list, I'm in the same situation and I agree with most of what you said.

However, I have heard that Villanova's B-school does accept transfer students. I spoke with an admissions counsellor and she said I was competitive as an external transfer.

Apr 7, 2014

They do, and it's not hard. See my above post haha

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Apr 9, 2014

Actually considering transferring from Stern to a few of those schools.

- Ross has a mandatory three years in residency, so if you're considering transferring after sophomore year plan on staying an extra year there.
- UW-Madison does not admit direct transfers to the business school; you must do 1 semester of residency before applying to transfer into the business school. Great alumni network and some top students do make it to the NYC banking. I know a couple guys from here who had SA and FT jobs in NYC.
- UCLA does not place very well into NYC banking

- NYU Economics - Being an economics major does not have remotely the same placement for investment banking as Stern does and anyone who says or thinks otherwise is delusional. On-Campus Recruitment at NYU is handled through the university career center and not through Stern so everyone has access to it and everyone can submit a resume but beyond that Stern/CAS Economics does play a hand in which resume's are pulled out for interviews. Stern does a great job putting you in front of important people (or anyone in IB) through roundtables, lunches, seminars, events, conferences, etc. which CAS Econ students won't necessarily get access to. Is it possible to break into IB from CAS Econ? Yes, but it's also possible to break in from non-targets as well or as a Philosophy major at NYU. I've seen friends who gotten IB at JPM, MS, etc. but mostly because they had a connection they could use in IB or landed in middle office and worked up. The few students who don't have a connection have either founded something, have a unique skill or talent, other something else that makes them stand out. From what I've seen NYU Math + Comp. Science has better IB placement than NYU Econ. (Econ + Math helps more as well). Also, my friend who is FT from CAS Econ said they asked him why he didn't apply or transfer to Stern if he really wanted to go into IB, so you better have a great story for that. There are much better feeder programs nationally than CAS Econ.

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Apr 6, 2014

I appreciate your comment. Very helpful

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Apr 8, 2014

What about Stanford? How do they compare up to other schools in terms of transfers/targeting?

Apr 6, 2014

Stanford will get you anywhere if you can get it. Good luck getting in though. I think most of the transfers come from other target schools. The rate of acceptance is around 2%

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Apr 9, 2014
SouthernAlpha:

Stanford will get you anywhere if you can get it. Good luck getting in though. I think most of the transfers come from other target schools. The rate of acceptance is around 2%

+1

I remember how the senior academic counsellor at my former school, a CC in California, told me that not a single student had managed to transfer to Stanford from our school in the last 10 years lol. Keep in mind this was a "good" CC that place the majority of transfer students in high-tier California UC's.

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Apr 10, 2014

As far as Kelley goes, you have to transfer into Indiana (very easy), spend 1 semester at IU and then apply, if you achieve all B's or better you're pretty much in, but even a single B- will get you dinged. Though, you only need to take 2 easy classes to gain access to the Kelley career services office if you're a non-Kelley student

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Apr 13, 2014

Keep in mind a lot of top state schools like Berkeley, UT Austin, and UVA all have extremely strong preference for in state kid community college kids and majority of the times, in state doesn't need nearly as high GPA for acceptance into the program as well. Having just going through this process in California, I think Berkeley accepts 1~2 kids from out of state max a year as opposed to 90 for instate and they usually have 600+ applicants.

A lot of admission rates for private colleges like Brown fluctuates quite a bit from a year to year basis since it is also based on the retention rate as well as the number of freshman acceptance. For example, Brown went from 15% year prior to 5% this year.

And sometimes even within non targets in California like UC Santa Barbra (amazing parties btw), it is possible for certain students to even hit NYC if they joined the right clubs.

Apr 19, 2014

Can OP explains a bit more about the UNC KF's policy regarding transfer students trying to apply to KF after their first semester?

Apr 6, 2014

I can't speak with experience as I don't go to unc, but from what I hear, it is very competitive as a transfer to be accepted to kenan Flagler. This is because you have to compete with internal transfers, who are given preference and have proven themselves over time as a successful student at unc. I can't speak for actual statistics, but I can definitely tell you that it would be asinine to assume that you'll be admitted to kf.
Personally i think it would be risky to transfer in (assuming you want todo I banking)unless you are okay with being an Econ major, or majoring in something technical.

Anyone who has more information is free to chime in

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Apr 19, 2014

Thanks for the response! Just to clarify: I am thinking of transferring into KF after my first semester or first year at UNC as a econ student. If I can finish kf's program in two years, I am fine to enroll as a sophomore and transfer into KF in the second semester or as a junior.

Apr 14, 2014

Is it easy to transfer from UVA Econ to McIntire (do 1 year of UVA and then transfer in to McIntire)?

Apr 16, 2014

I don't see any comments about Michigan, but they are now offering a minor in business that you can apply to once you're a junior. They only accept about 100 people, but you get access to all the Ross recruiting events.

Jul 8, 2014

What would you say Carnegie Mellon Tepper is like?

I know they don't accept a lot of people (80ish from the website?) but it has been in the top 10 of business school rankings in the past few years.
They are considered a semi-target, right?

There is also news on the Tepper site that David Tepper, an alum and hedgefund magnate, has donated about 100 million toward the expansion of the business school in the next few years.

Sep 15, 2014

Anyone planning on transferring this year?

I'm looking to transfer from a large state school (Madison/Twin Cities) to a finance target

Nov 2, 2014

Sorry to bring back a dead thread but I'm a california cc student. I've heard mixed things about USC. Does it really get respect and ocr? I've tried looking on the website and I don't see any of the BBs MBBs listed on their. I understand the network that the network is great, but does the network have a presence in west coast high finance/consulting? Thanks

Dec 3, 2014

I know Bain and a bunch of MM I Banks all do ocr at USC. U also get the BBs like JPM & Baml and the EBs namely Moelis that all do ocr.

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Nov 2, 2014

Sorry to bring back a dead thread but I'm a california cc student. I've heard mixed things about USC. Does it really get respect and ocr? I've tried looking on the website and I don't see any of the BBs MBBs listed on their. I understand the network that the network is great, but does the network have a presence in west coast high finance/consulting? Thanks

Nov 2, 2014

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Nov 2, 2014

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Jan 25, 2015

Can attest for TCU that Houston positions are readily available, NYC requires exponentially more work.

Jan 25, 2015

Can attest for TCU that Houston positions are readily available, NYC requires exponentially more work.

Jan 25, 2015

Well what grade are you transferring into, where are you transferring from, and where are you transferring to? Your post doesn't really tell us anything.

Jan 25, 2015

Junior Transfer, Mid-Tier UC, Ivy League

Jan 25, 2015

Where did you get in/rejected from?

ECs?

Jan 25, 2015

so I'm going to assume you're coming from UCSD or UCLA, and I hear you dude. I'm applying to quite a few next year as a junior transfer as well, and I don't have a 4.0, but if I do what I'm supposed to I'll at least have a 3.8/3.9

Jan 25, 2015

Accepted: No acceptances yet
Waitlisted: Columbia, Dartmouth
Rejected: Yale, Stanford, Cornell
Still waiting on: Penn, Brown, Duke, Harvard

ECs: Frat stuff, consistently held internships since I started school two years ago (20 hrs week), summer internship at a boutique, independent study, cured cancer

Jan 25, 2015

^damn! cured cancer and rejected at yale stanford and cornell? I would think accepted at cornell and at least a waitlist at stanford, but no surprise at yale. you can't just cure cancer, you have to make it a profitable cure for them to accept you.

Jokes aside...I'm kind of shocked, because that does not make me feel too great about my chances now...

Jan 25, 2015

You should have applied to NYU Stern. Columbia is tight because of its location.
What are the chances of getting in if you are waitlisted?

Jan 25, 2015

From what I know when you get wait listed you have a bit of a better shot than you think b/c then you're competing with a smaller group of people, all on the bubble, so all very similar to you in their stats

Jan 25, 2015

Why would you want to transfer anyway? Is a banking job out of college really worth losing contact with the friends youve made over the past two years and not to mention the annoying task of making new friends at your new school? Something to think about.

Jan 25, 2015

What are you? A junior? It's nearly impossible to transfer after your sophomore year.

Jan 25, 2015

yayo -- I already have BB Summer Analyst this summer, so it's not just for the job.

arcanne -- I am currently a sophomore, but it's called junior transfer.

I'm hoping those waitlists workout.

Jan 25, 2015
aspiringmonkeyisanidiot:

yayo -- I already have BB Summer Analyst this summer, so it's not just for the job.

arcanne -- I am currently a sophomore, but it's called junior transfer.

I'm hoping those waitlists workout.

So whats your motivation for transferring then? At this point, I think if your transferring for any reason other than a social reason (school is boring, people suck etc.) your going to heavily regret it later in life. Especially considering you already have a nice internship. If you go to some big state school, stay there, it wont be nearly as much fun as some of the schools your trying to transfer to. And in the long run, if you have the job, no one really cares where you went to school.

Jan 25, 2015

is it harder to transfer once you are in college, rather than applying to these straight out?

Jan 25, 2015

"is it harder to transfer once you are in college, rather than applying to these straight out?"

totally depends on the school. some just don't take transfers while some others take hundreds.

"How hard is it to transfer to Princeton compared to the other ivy league schools?"

relatively harder.

Jan 25, 2015
sashimi:

is it harder to transfer once you are in college, rather than applying to these straight out?

to answer your question, one of my best friends brothers didn't do well in highschool. he flunked out of h.s. and got his GED.

he moved to california, established residency and attended Orange Country Community College with a 4.0 for 2 years. he transferred to Berkeley in some obscure major and transferred to something normal afterwards. now, he's a badass corporate lawyer.

that is the picture perfect lower school (actually inferior considering its a community college) to a great school (albeit not ivy, it's a badass top state schools in the country bar none)

i feel for the guy who posted though, hope your luck works out. i just read yesterday about how 2nd tier non-ivy's are getting 50% plus application increases due to the ivy-leag-ation of america. everyone wants brand, it's not east coast anymore. kids in iowa even want harvard now...(supply demand basics)

Jan 25, 2015

How hard is it to transfer to Princeton compared to the other ivy league schools?

Jan 25, 2015

Having a 4.0 is nice, but you've gotta remember you are at a state school, where great grades are a dime a dozen. I have buds at state school and it seems like everybody you talk to who studies a little bit gets a 3.8/3.9/4.0 no problem.

As such, a 3.7 kid from Harvard who wants to transfer to Yale for XYZ reasons is going to take a seat over you every day of the week.

Also, they still look at your high school numbers (SAT/GPA), and the fact that you are at a state school tells me they weren't so hot to begin with, so you've got that working against you as well. Furthermore, many of these schools only take a very limited number of transfers.

Jan 25, 2015
wharton2wallstreet4life:

Having a 4.0 is nice, but you've gotta remember you are at a state school, where great grades are a dime a dozen.

I definitely agree with a lot of the stuff being said, but I've got some contentions:

First, The term "state school" is used to refer to schools that are "Cal State..." Even though the UC's are technically "state" schools, no one would ever call them that. I go to a top 15 public university, not Florida state or something like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_school
Second, easy with the grade comments. The mean gpa at my school is 3.0. Yeah, 4.0s are a dime a dozen at community colleges, but I'm the only person I know with a 4.0 here, and I know a pretty good amount of people.

Finally, wharton2wallstreet, I'm working with you this summer, so I'm not sure how that makes you feel about my credentials.

Jan 25, 2015

That's absolutely correct. Having a 4.0 at a state school doesn't mean anything to an Ivy League admissions officer; every student on their campus could go do that with their eyes closed. Getting those grades at a low, state school level just means you're an unknown quantity, they have no way of knowing what a 4.0 at XYZ random state school means. in terms of knowledge, rigor, etc.

A student who has already proven themselves at the elite level will place over you, simply because the admissions officers can readily see x student can hack it at the top level.

Jan 25, 2015

And besides, Princeton is the only school in the country that DOESN'T take transfers. lol

Jan 25, 2015

I don't think he's trying to knock your credentials, just pointing out that coming from a state school and trying to get into the ivy league, you're fighting an uphill battle against tough competition, many of whom are already in the ivy league. And yes, with the exception of UCB, all the other UC are certainly considered state schools.

Jan 25, 2015
bankerspi314:

I don't think he's trying to knock your credentials, just pointing out that coming from a state school and trying to get into the ivy league, you're fighting an uphill battle against tough competition, many of whom are already in the ivy league. And yes, with the exception of UCB, all the other UC are certainly considered state schools.

I agree with everything that you say, except for the last sentence. The term may be used differently outside of California, however.

Jan 25, 2015

Why are your transferring, what your reason?

Jan 25, 2015

I would mention another option is getting an MS in Finance, like I'm going to do after I graduate from NDSU.

Jan 25, 2015
LudvigJ:

I would mention another option is getting an MS in Finance, like I'm going to do after I graduate from NDSU.

you are freaking hilarious dude. you get on this board, ask people about your situation and people tell you to get a Msc Finance. now...you're the hotshot advising others.

you're funny.

Jan 25, 2015

Princeton is the hardest Ivy to transfer into...probably due to the fact that they don't take transfers.

Jan 25, 2015

^^ lol, wiseguy

Marijuana leads to Doritos, not harder drugs.

Jan 25, 2015

of course UCB is considered a state school

Jan 25, 2015

Non-California people are so misinformed, UCLA and Berkeley are equals, anyone from California knows this, they are just as hard to get into and just as difficult academic programs. I know plenty of people that got into Berkeley and not UCLA and vis versa, with the majority of people that get into one getting into both. The main reason someone chooses one over the other is if they prefer living in SoCal or NorCal.

Jan 25, 2015

You know what, the world doesn't evolve around Cali. It's all about the perception that people have. And on the street, berkeley is better regarded thank ucla. Most of the people I know got into one, but not both; I think they simply look for different things. Ivy adcom might not value BB internship more than others, I don't know this well. Still, I'm surprised that with your 4.0, you're still having trouble transferring. Are you trying to get into a special program or something? Did you apply to Berkeley or UCLA? They're still UC's, but better than your mid-tier campus.

Jan 25, 2015

I disagree that Berkeley and UCLA are equals. They are similar for liberal arts majors, but Berkeley is much better in engineering, economics, and undergrad business. It also does much better in terms of banking recruiting. With your 4.0 from a mid-level UC (I am assuming UCSD or UCSB), you should have a good chance of getting into Berkeley or UCLA. Did you even apply to those?

Jan 25, 2015

berkely shouldnt be too hard from another UC. Also, Haas ranks i nthe top 10 business schools doesnt it? udnergrad included.

Jan 25, 2015

Looking back, I should have applied to UCLA and UCB to hedge my bets. My reasoning at the time for not applying was that the step in prestige just wasn't significant enough to warrant the transfer. I'm working really hard to get off the Dartmouth wait list, so we will see how that goes. Also, I should be hearing from Penn and Brown pretty soon. Not that it's a surprise, but I just received my Harvard rejection yesterday.

BTW, did any of you read the article in the WSJ a couple weeks back talking about how important prestige is in PE?

Jan 25, 2015

Let's be practical with this UCLA vs. Berkely debate. If more banks recruit at School A vs. School B, more offers are made to school A vs. school B based on % of population, and the quality of these offers are better for school A vs. School B, then school A is better. Who gives a shit if one school teaches the theoretical finance stuff better then the other. After college, it's mostly self learning anyway. In the end, you want a job...so go to the school that is heavily recruited, with the hottest chicks on campus that are likely to appear in girls gone wild.

Jan 25, 2015

No, you have no shot.

No, you can't transfer with junior standing.

No, you shouldn't retake the SAT because you can't transfer.

You are probably wasting your time and energy, unless you decide to put in all you've got to network, etc.

If you didn't give a shit in high school, but now you do, why do you only have a 3.5?

Jan 25, 2015

Oh, and furthermore....I am pretty sure this is an investment banking/wall st forum. Not a college admissions forum.

Jan 25, 2015

Haha how the f do you network into a college?

And sorry I came here looking for advice, I guess I assumed too much when I saw that everybody seemed to be college experts on this board.

And I only have a 3.55 GPA because...I'm not being intellectually stimulated? I had a 3.7 last year and so far this semester as of mid terms I'm on my way to a 4.0, so lay off.

Jan 25, 2015

Network up to Wall Street, not into college. Take what you got and do whatever you can, but switching schools at this point in the game is a waste. Don't waste your time with the SAT / ACT. Look into Masters programs in Accounting / Finance to give yourself another year to network.

Jan 25, 2015

as a junior you can't transfer. time for you to get focused dude... you have a long way to go, but dont worry, I'm right there with you (but as a soph, I'm going to try and transfer). But HS was the same for me. worthless 4 years, now trying to survive this top 60, yet mediocre college....

Jan 25, 2015

Meh, I'm either transfering or finishing my term here and getting a job. I dont need two degrees from TWO crap schools.

Jan 25, 2015

Well according to admissions sites I've checked they accept anyone as long as you dont already have a BA degree... dont know where youre getting this CANT transfer info? Maybe a link would help. Maybe a lot harder thing to do but I've never seen a CANT TRANSFER AS A JUNIOR banner anywhere in bold letters

Jan 25, 2015

Great, you've deicded you want to go to a "real" school.
Unfortunately it's not that easy if you're just another 3.5-3.6 econ major.

Jan 25, 2015

If you got awesome grades and completed a BA in your current school, isn't it possible to transfer to a decent MBA school?

Jan 25, 2015

What do you mean 'transfer' into a decent MBA school?

If by transfer you mean get some years of good work experience/high GMAT... then yes :P

Jan 25, 2015

transferring into an MBA? wow, some of you guys have no idea how these processes work. And Dang... the guy being an asshole to you is right...listen to our words, you CANNOT transfer.. you're a junior. Maybe some schools will take you, but the top schools wont, that includes all Ivies and most of the top 40 that I know of.

Jan 25, 2015

I know a guy who transferred to a target school after his junior year. He was an engineering student though, and was on a 4 1/2 year plan. After he transferred he started talking about doing banking. He never did.

Jan 25, 2015

I didn't mean 'transfer' in the literal sense.

I, of course, meant that he could enter a decent MBA program after getting a BA and with 2+ years of relevant experience.

Jan 25, 2015

many schools require that you do 60 credits at their school. if you were willing to do an extra year, you might be able to transfer.

Jan 25, 2015

Dang, there are a THOUSANDS of people just like you, who think they are too good for their "toilets."

That's fine, except very few of them really are. e.g. Your 3.5 econ major is average work.

Jan 25, 2015

Haha okay okay, I'm sorry for coming off like I have a chip on my shoulder. I take it back; my school isnt a toilet, we place very well with top grad schools and have some REALLY bright students (most of which are pre-med pre-law, which I think the school is well suited for).

I've just been VERY underwhelmed by the business department, mostly because of the faculty. Not to be big headed or a brown noser but I really think I'VE taught my professors more about Ibanking then they have taught me about finance in general. Most of my professors come into class late, talk off the top of their heads for 50 minutes (only partly knowing what they are saying). They are also too lazy to assign homework which is a plus I guess and make tests with questions even they cant answer.

The other day one of the top finance professors said "Only buy stocks with a P/E ratio around 20!" The same one predicted that the fed would "probably" not lower interest rates. We have another professor who misses 1 out of every 6 classes because he is "sick" but fails to email his 8AM students who show up to class and wait for him. With this kind of ineptness it's little wonder why good companies don't come to our campus.

So, really it wasnt my intention to say I was "above" the school. I just think the schools business department is a failure to ALL of its students and it has become something I'm not particularily proud to be a part of anymore. It's my own fault for pigeonholing myself into this situation, though, and I make no excuses.

Jan 25, 2015

But I think you are just lazy. Your excuse of not being intellectually stimulated has resulted in a mediocre GPA?? If it is that easy you should be at the top of your class (which would make you stand out). I go to a non-target school that I am not particularly intellectually stimulated by and yet my GPA is much higher than yours. Furthermore, I was able to build my personal alumni network which has lead me to have a full time trading (accepted) offer at one of the top bbs. --- Moral of the story you still have a good year to network (get involved in a student org. that has a big alumni presence) and get your GPA up to at least a 3.7.....try getting a summer internship at a small asset management/brokerage firm (gain some sort of industry experience). You have other options(besides trying to transfer) if you work at it I'm sure you will be able to find a way into a bb

Jan 25, 2015

What liberal arts college has a business school?

Jan 25, 2015

I thought the purpose of this site was to provide relevant feedback and present constructive ideas. Instead the site serves as a stomping ground for douchebags who get beat down by their associates and VPs all day and then come to this site and act like jerk offs. I am all about being realistic and candid but if you don't have anything even remotely constructive to say just sht the fck up and if you are gonna act like a jerk-off at least be entertaining.

Maybe you should consider transferring to a better school that offers a 5-year BA/MS dual program in your chosen field.

Jan 25, 2015

Business/Econ department...not school.

The "intellectual stimulation" comment was a joke. All that time in the library and "building your personal alumni network" has killed your sense of humor girlytrader. Guess, I'm just not as smart as you...

Jan 25, 2015

girltrader, come now you just posted that to brag.

Dang, glad you take that back. If that stuff about your business department is true then it really is a shame.

I have a couple of semi-possible solutions:

  1. as a business major, get a 1-year MAcc at somewhere like UMichigan right after college where you can try for analyst recruiting again
  2. get the best job you can on your own. If you have a decent experience and high GMAT scores, then you can allways go to a top MBA
  3. apply for 1-year masters programs at top places in europe and go for europe recruiting
Jan 25, 2015

Girlytrader, you are assuming I dont have any networking ability or experience. I've already worked at a commodities brokerage, law firm, and a well respected regional financial advisory firm. Nothing amazing, but hey its not like I've been sitting on my ass for the past 2 years...

Networking is a tad difficult, we have a few MDs/Partners at some local boutiques and MMs but thats about it. But I DO intend to contact them in the coming months (still polishing the rez). The only guy I know ever to work at a BB from our school is now in prison for insider trading. Most of our schools best and brightest go on to academic careers and work at the Fed or some other government agencies.

Jan 25, 2015

Since you have experience you should apply on-line to every summer analyst programs...try appling for operations/asset management and i-banking....worse case you get in a bb in opts - most bb have some sort of internal mobility process at the end of the summer....if that doesn't work you'll at least have a big name on your resume when you apply for ft.

Jan 25, 2015

Might well say which school you actually go to, so people have a better idea.

A Top 50-60 school (if you're referring to the USNews ranking) shouldn't be that bad in alumni. Also they have better recruiting than John Deere and Insurance Companies. But if you're one of those midwest Liberal Arts top 50-60, I suppose you have a point.

Jan 25, 2015

Thanks for the advice people.

Yeah it's in the midwest...and you dont know the half of the recruiting horrors I've encountered at this school! One of my friends claimed that at the last career fair somebody from 7/11 was looking for people interested in "gas station management"

I did not pay for a $32,000 a year education to work the night shift at 7/11, thank you.

Jan 25, 2015

So I suppose its one of these from the list:
49. DePauw University(IN)
49. Rhodes College(TN)
52. Wabash College(IN)
52. Denison University(OH)
54. St. Olaf College(MN)
54. Reed College(OR) 10
56. Wheaton College(MA)
56. Lawrence University(WI)
58. St. Lawrence University(NY)
59. Illinois Wesleyan University
59. Wheaton College(IL)
59. Wofford College(SC)
59. Southwestern University(TX)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usne...
I've not never really heard the name of these colleges, so I guess it must not be the best situation. But probably would saved a lot of money and get better (relatively) opportunities going to the state school.

Jan 25, 2015

Reed College is a good school....St. Lawrence is good if you're the artsy type....DePauw is okay.
If you go to Illinois Wesleyan University maybe you could just drop the Illinois by "mistake" lol :)

Jan 25, 2015

I think you may have too many credits to transfer if you are already a junior.

dum vivimus vivamus

Jan 25, 2015

You don't have too many credits, but you would need to go to Stern for two years regardless of your age, because schools have a 4 semester home university policy where you need to take classes for 4 semesters in order to receive a diploma...I guess it stops kids from constantly going abroad or taking a lot of classes at easier schools and then having the grades transfer over.

Jan 25, 2015

Why go into finance? Be smart and become a doctor. If it's about money, I'm sure you can earn more than enough if you specialize and start a practice.

Jan 25, 2015

Hey guys appreciate the input. I actually realized in the long run Ill probably end up helping more people if I can work in an NGO as I get older. I dont mind spending an extra year in college to make sure Im doing what makes me happy. Med school is 10 years or so with residency so one extra year is no big deal to me.

Would you say I had somewhat of a chance of getting in? If not are there any other schools you could recommend that I might have a chance to get into?

Jan 25, 2015

bump

Jan 25, 2015

You should be alright, for NYU not sure about Stern though, but you're sacrificing a shit ton to go there ie higher costs, losing a shit ton of credits etc.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Jan 25, 2015

way too late. no way to transfer now unless you plan on graduating late

Jan 25, 2015

you might have a decent chance at a large school for spring transfer but you'd have to have a pretty good reason for wanting to make the switch. what kind of school are you in now?

Jan 25, 2015

i think most places you can transfer in up to 90 credits from another 4 year institution. Get on the horn and find out for sure about the places that you want to apply to

Jan 25, 2015

Best option: Bring your grades up to perfect. Network. Get job.

2nd Best: keep grades up, go to a target grad school for Master's of Finance or something (not MBA until you have work experience)

Jan 25, 2015

And, no, you can usually transfer no more than 60 credits (2 years) to another institution. Normally, that is, and probably is that way for the "top" schools.

Jan 25, 2015

Agree with DM.

You can't transfer more than 60 credits. It wouldn't make sense if a kid had 90 credits from a some random school, transferred to harvard and then just finished out 30 credits and got a harvard degree. 60 is the max. However, you can still transfer after having accumulated more than 60. You still have an opportunity to transfer after junior fall (though I think it's pretty much your last chance).

Jan 25, 2015

true. i can only speak for my school. They explicitly say that they accept up to 60 credits from cc and 90 credits from 4 year institutions. Like i said, though, get on the phone and find out from admissions what their policies are.

If nothing else, keep your grades up, network. Try to get a Smith Barney internship during the semester and apply for SA positions in the spring; see what happens

Jan 25, 2015

Ah, sorry, I should rephrase that. A school may ACCEPT more than 60 credits for transfer, however it will probably require you to complete AT LEAST 60 CREDITS AT THAT INSTITUTION.

Sorry bout that.

Jan 25, 2015

Emory is definitely easier to get into than those other schools. I don't think it really belongs on this list. Applying to schools is never predictable. I can tell you that admissions won't put too much weight on your SAT scores. Schools use SAT scores to predict how you will fair doing college course work. If you already have several terms of good college grades under your belt, your SAT is relatively meaningless. It is true that schools prefer students who transfer after their sophomore year. However, it is certainly easier to transfer into a school after freshman year than it is to just get in right out of high school. In my opinion, transferring sooner rather than later is a good decision and a 3.6 should be high enough that they will look at you.

Jan 25, 2015

agree with above. get rid of Emory from that list, and you should be in good shape at most of those schools as a transfer with a 3.6 (with the possible exception of Wharton).

Jan 25, 2015
djfiii:

agree with above. get rid of Emory from that list, and you should be in good shape at most of those schools as a transfer with a 3.6 (with the possible exception of Wharton).

Unlikely, as a transfer student (after one year) they care a lot about your HS experience still. A 1340 SAT + a 3.6 at Villanova is unlikely to get him into any Ivy or Duke. The state schools are a possibility but I imagine transferring into their business schools are harder than the regular schools. Gtown is a toss up as well. I transferred with a 3.8 gpa from a state school + 1350 SAT + D1 athlete and was rejected from Wharton, Columbia, Cornell, and Stanford. But got into Gtown, NU, WUSTL, tOSU, and ND. So for him without the ahtlete part and a slightly lower GPA it could definitely be tough at some of those schools.

Jan 25, 2015

Your a freshman, getting a PWM internship is probably all you are going to get. SA spots are typically for junior/seniors.

Jan 25, 2015

PM me if you want more info about transferring to Cornell/the OCR situation here

Jan 25, 2015

Thanks for the advice so far. It is really appreciated.

I will take Emory off the list. Are there any other good choices that I am missing? Schools like UT Austin or A&M, and UIUC? If the schools give at least similar recruiting opportunities then it is worth it in my book since they are cheaper and provide similar opportunities.

I am still unsure of what to do, although I do see bears1208's point on the matter.

If I transfer now, colleges only see one semester of college grades so they will probably look at HS stuff more. But as a junior I would assume they wouldn't care about HS since I will have 3 semesters worth of college grades. But then I guess colleges prefer sophomore transfers so I'm still not sure of whether applying as a freshman is better than the applying as a sophomore and being a possibly more competitive candidate.

Jan 25, 2015

Anyone else?

Jan 25, 2015

Bump.

Jan 25, 2015
VinnyB:

I am currently thinking of transferring to a better semi-target/target school since I currently go to Villanova and while it gets some decent recruiting, there are more opportunities elsewhere. There are some MM IB firms that recruit but only a few and the only BB that recruits here is GS and it is for only two SA spots.

Right now I'm a freshman in the business school with a 3.5 but my gpa will certainly increase to at least 3.6/7 by the end of my first year. My sat isn't too good since I never studied for it unfortunately. I have a 1340/1600 and 1920/2400. If I apply as a sophomore transfer then the sat may hurt me but if I apply as a junior then I don't think the sat matters too much. My HS gpa is a 4.0.

I have taken business stat, microecon, advanced Italian, a freshman management course, and a liberal arts requirement (not english) class so far. This semester I am taking business calc, macro, advanced Italian 2, management 2, and the lib arts requirement 2. Sophomore year we take a 6 credit finance/accounting course.

I got into the school's investment fund which is kind of competitive. I plan on being in some sort of leadership role next year.

I have already contacted alumni and while I have not been able to score something beyond PWM so far for this year, I think next year I can get into a decent MM IB or maybe a BB since my family knows a lot of people in very executive roles in some BBs. But I do not want to rely on them since sometimes they get too busy and forget about forwarding your resume.

So basically, should I apply this year to transfer or wait until next year? I think I may be more competitive next year but I think a lot of schools prefer sophomore transfers although that may not be true. If you think I should transfer, what schools should I consider that are better than Villanova? I guess schools like GTown, Cornell, Uva, UMich, Wharton, Duke, Emory, etc would be schools worth applying to.

Also, I do not receive any financial aid from Villanova so if I could go somewhere that might give me aid or that is cheaper, that would be a great benefit.

Thanks for reading and sorry for the long text!

Coming from a student who has transferred too many times, whatever that says to ya:

1) Schools
-Make sure you like the school you're going to. The last thing you want is to transfer to a "better", and therefore potentially "harder" school that you hate. Then you have to keep up your grades while you're in a shitty situation, and nobody functions well in that.
-If you like the school you are at, don't burn any bridges when you are leaving. If you end up disliking you're new school you may want to reapply for admission.
-Make sure you know which ones are "better" for you. That means which schools have a better program (business, econ, math, whatever) for what you want to do (IB, PE, HF)
-MAKE SURE THERE IS ESPECIALLY EQUAL OR BETTER RECRUITING FOR WHERE YOU WANT TO DO IT. If you want to work West Coast, transfer to a target West-coast school (assuming you can, if you can't, get as close as possible).
-Don't do something fucking retarded like convincing yourself you want something you don't, that's about the worst way to screw up your college experience.
-ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU MAY FIND YOU LIKE SOMETHING ELSE, OR YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOME STRONG BACKUPS IN TERMS OF MAJOR.

2) Timing (Soph/Junior)
-IF YOU ARE SURE YOU WANT TO TRANSFER, THE SOONER YOU TRANSFER, THE BETTER. It's tough enough only having three years to take advantage of networking opportunities, much less only having two years. If the school you're transferring to is truly a better opportunity, you want as much time there as possible.
-APPLY FOR A TRANSFER NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T MISSED THE DEADLINE (assuming you have enough time to get the materials together). If you do get rejected, all you have to do is do better by the time your reapply. That way, you can spin the extra year of effort into "your story"- that is the total sum of the parts of your life that show why you want to be where you say you want to be. Hopefully you will stay in contact with the admissions people, asking questions, calling them, etc. That would be smart. Just don't be annoying.

3) Credits / GPA
-KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING DEAL IS WITH YOUR CREDITS. Most universities will link you to a site where you can do a sort of unofficial transfer credit evaluation. Make sure you check that shit out. Especially make sure to do this if you don't get in anywhere or don't plan on applying until next year. You can do your best to take classes that will transfer over.
-Decide how many are worth losing and how many aren't. Are you willing to take an extra class for a year or two? Repeat a whole semester? A year? That's another reason transferring sooner is better for you. Less credits lost in the transfer (and less hassle figuring out which are good).
-REMEMBER THAT YOUR GPA DOES NOT TRANSFER FROM YOUR SCHOOL TO ANOTHER, your GPA is completely wiped clean when you transfer. That gives you the opportunity to either fuck up bad or do really, really well. Hopefully it's the latter now that you've been in college for a year.
-Make sure you send any midterm grades ASAP

4) Extracurriculars / Work
-You're a freshman, colleges are looking for you to be involved, but not necessarily a leader. Make sure if you apply that you include clubs/organizations that you were active in, and how you were active in them.
-If you had any sort of job or internship during the year, include that. They like it when people juggle work and school.

Final thoughts: All universities want smart, well-rounded, diverse students. They can tell a lot better what kind of student you are when you apply as a sophomore. Applying as a freshman, they have a lot less to go off of. This is bad for you because you need time to get involved in the school you will be graduating from. You need to get past this barrier and convince them to let you in as early as possible, BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WANT TO TRANSFER AND THE OTHER SCHOOL IS BETTER FOR YOU (see #1). If cost is an issue for you, make sure to take that into account (and whether or not you can get a scholarship).

If you want to transfer, do it, and do it right. Let me know if you've got more questions.

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Jan 25, 2015

Have some friends from William & Mary and Colgate who got a job in IB. You'll get an interview with a 3.9 GPA with econ/math double major if you network hard enough but I'd consider a junior transfer option as well.

Try JPM Sophomore scheme this fall and see if you can get to the first round interview.

Jan 25, 2015

Transfer. Regular fish in big pond > big fish in small pond

Jan 25, 2015
Sep 15, 2014

Apply to transfer. There's no guarantee that you will get in, and it's a lot easier to make an informed decision when you have offers in hand then talking purely theoretically.

Jan 25, 2015

I transferred to a target this year and would say you have a solid profile but that your gpa is fairly low, at least compared to the people I know here and myself. Almost everyone I know had a 3.8 or higher at their previous uni. That being said, most people I know went to schools in the US. Def apply and see if they give you any fin aid.

Jan 25, 2015

Thank you for the comment bud

Jan 25, 2015

thank you