Canada IB vs PE Comp Megathread

I've seen lots of questions on IB vs. PE comp in Canada.  Thought it would be helpful to post what I know.  Full disclosure - I am a longtime lurker posting from a throwaway account.  10 years in the industry working at one of the places below.

Canadian IB Comp (Big 5 Bank)

Base Salary:Analyst $90kAssociate $120kVP $150k

All-in:Analyst 1 $150kAnalyst 2 $170kAnalyst 3 $200kAssociate 1 $250kAssociate 2 $300kAssociate 3 $350kVP $400k - $650kED $700k - $1mMD $1m+

Comp will vary slightly from above based on ranking ie. low, mid or top bucket for Analysts/Associate and and revenue generation for VP/ED/MD.  I can’t comment on BB or boutique comp, so will let others chime.

Pension Fund PE (CPPIB)

All-in:Analyst $140k - $200kAssociate $200k - $300kSenior Associate $300k - $400kPrincipal  $400k - $600kSenior Principal $600k - $800kMD $800k+

OTPP comp is comparable to above.  Keep in mind that their titling is a bit different because OTPP doesn’t have a “Sr Associate” position.  In other words, a CPPIB Sr Associate = OTPP Principal.  Similarly, CPPIB Principal = OTPP Senior Principal.  CPPIB Senior Principal = OTPP Director.  MDs are the same. 

Smaller pension funds like PSP, AimCo, IMCO, HOOPP, OPTrust, BCI will pay less.  Onex/Altus pay the most - inline with US megafunds.

One final word of caution when comparing IB vs. PE comp.  Investment banks typically promote on a 3 year cycle, whereas large pension funds like CPPIB promote on a 4 year cycle.  In other words if you were 6 years out of undergrad and a direct promote from Analyst>Associate>VP in IB, your comparable tenure at a place like CPPIB might only be Associate or Sr Associate.  

Feel free to chime in below if you have other datapoints.  


Editing post to add a few confirmed datapoints from the comments below:

All-in comp:
OMERS Rotational Analyst 1st year - $120k - $130k 
CPPIB PE Analyst 1st year - $140k - $160k
Big 5 Bank Capital Markets Rotational Analyst 1st year - $100k
Big 5 Bank ER Associate 1st year - $130k
Big 5 Bank IB Associate 1st year (direct promote from analyst in 2 years) = $220k

 

One of my friends claims OTPP pays less than CPP. 85k base + 5% bonus for analysts. How true is that? 

 

Yeah, I've heard the same thing for OTPP's new analyst program (direct placement into a group). From what I've heard, less that 100k all in for a first year analyst. Anyone else confirm? 

Also not sure if the CPP numbers are true for 1st year analyst in the rotation program; I've heard that CPP ranges from 100-110k all in first year. OMERS Rotational pays the best (120-130k all in). Can anyone confirm?

 

False. OTPP new grad is 100k base + signing + performance bonus

 

Is that for Private Capital/Infra groups only? Seems pretty high comp for a pension fund

 

Just adding on to this comment with an anecdotal datapoint:

My firm (current invested + dry powder of c. $5bn; global mandate) recently greenlit a Canadian office. Pay will be the same dollar amount as USD positions, but in CAD. So if associates in the American offices are paid target US$250k, then Canadian associates are paid target CA$250k.

 

Does anyone have info on the mid-market PE funds, i.e. Birch Hill, Imperial, ONCAP (pays like Onex?), TorQuest etc?

 

Agentis pays above street, but hours are worse supposedly.

 

Any insight on buyside public equities in Canada? Thinking Mawer, Waratah, Gluskin, Turtlecreek, etc

 

Anyone know comp numbers at pension funds for non-PE investing roles/capital markets?

 

BBs and EBs in Toronto generally pay above the Canadian banks at pretty much every level pre-Director/MD. Top-bucket analysts can make $20-60k more per year (vs. analysts at big-5), with the top end being the firms that straight convert their USD analyst comp to CAD. At the associate/VP level the premium is probably around $50k+ but with more variability depending on performance and deal flow. At the MD level, performance matters way more than platform and strong MDs can get paid on either platform

 

How are the hours at US BBs in Toronto? Is it as bad as NYC IB hours? I.e. consistently 80+ hrs?

 

Heard no/very low bonuses across most banks this year due to lack of deal flow
GS & Citi Calgary literally paid no bonus while hours went up to pretty ridiculous amounts since WFH apparently

 

I can tell you with absolute certainty that the Calgary BB offices did not pay "literally no bonus" this year and was actually relatively in line with prior years despite covid. Yes WFH hours have gotten worse but to say that they paid out no bonus is a total lie. 

Source - close friend works at one of the BBs in Calgary you named.  

 

Has anyone successfully been able to negotiate a slightly higher base for a new grad IB/PE Analyst role or would recommend atleast trying to negotiate? Obviously these are standard across the board which is why I would imagine the answer to the above is no but thought I'd see if anyone had other opinions

 

Does anyone know if VPs / MDs can flow their income through a corporation?

If this VP base is real, an absolute shit show to be making $150K base for that level of seniority and years of banking experience. I do understand that Canadian IB positions pay different than US, but this makes me beg the question as to why anyone would do 3-4 years at the Associate level to make $255k (150K + bonus of 70%) only for it to be taxed at an effective tax rate of ~38% and take home only $158K in earnings.

Would love to hear from anyone who is at the VP level in Canada for clarity on this as it makes no sense to me (genuinely curious, not being a prick re: compensation).

 

Any info on how comp compares between CPP and OTPP at the associate level onwards?

 

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