Mod Note (Andy): #TBT Throwback Thursday - this was originally posted in August 2007 and it's scary how accurate @Bondarb was in predicting what was to come next:
...it is very possible that a big name like Bear or Lehman could flat go out of business like Drexel Burnham did in 1990.
I used to post here fairly often but haven't been here in awhile and popped in to see what was going on. The first thing that jumps off the screen is that this board generally is somewhat delusional about how bad things are currently getting at major broker/dealers and banks. To qualify myself, I am a prop trader at a large, top-tier bank (and our group is having a great year so I'm not saying this b/c I am specifically in danger). Let me just educate you guys about what is actually going on, department by department...
Sales/Trading: The structured products that have provided fat margins for dealers. They are sitting on the balance sheets of banks marked at levels that do not reflect reality awaiting painful mark-downs. , , etc. "traders" are literally sitting around surfing the internet all day. Now that buy-side clients have seen how illiquid these products become in times of stress it is unlikely they will return for years if at all. The profitable business of structured products is in for a large contraction. The hedge funds that used to buy these products are going out of business at a rate of several per day as the underlying collateral for many of these products is rapidly becoming worthless. It is only a matter of time before banks make large cuts and realize massive losses. Some suspect that the losses banks like Bear, Lehman, Goldman, , etc. will face may be in the billions just on mis-marked structured products.
/Prop Trading/Hedge Funds, etc.: The vast majority of buy-side traders have never lived through a period of high volatility and therefore the vast majority of buy-siders were caught off guard by this spike in volatility. Young geniuses and former "masters of the universe" are proving to be nothing more then glorified volatility sellers. Rumors fly constantly about massive losses at Lehman and Goldman and of course hedge fund blow-ups are an every day occurrence. The entire model of hedge funds that trade structured products is being called into question as investors now realize that managers basically can invent their P&L month to month for years at a time. Many people think that the number of hedge funds could easily be cut in half as the "hedge fund bubble" deflates.
Private Equity: The cost of financing just went from non-existent to impossibly high in a matter of weeks as the high yield debt market is totally shut down. Deals that were already agreed upon like TXU, First Data, etc. are being called into question, pushed back or revised. The stock market prices a 50% chance that they won't get done at all. Banks that used to provide bride financing for deals are now stuck with massive portfolios of leveraged loans that they cannot sell. They will not take this risk again for a long time, making deals much harder to do. One could argue that the PE bubble is just as big as the hedge fund bubble and this industry also could contract very quickly. Worse, the PE guys are very young and have no clue how bad things are on the sell-side and so they think nothing is wrong and the game will be back on once they get back from summer vacation.
Investment Banking/M&A: See PE. No M&A activity can happen with the debt markets seized up. When will debt markets return to normal? Estimates range from "whenever the Fed eases" to "the fall" to "not for a long, long time".
Prime Brokerage: See hedge funds. The P.B. business will contract in tandem with the hedge fund business. An added problem is that many prime brokerage units have massive exposure to some of their hedge fund clients that are rapidly dissolving. Rumors are rife about massive losses's like Bear and Goldman.
...More generally, I think you guys are about to enter a very tough job market. Analysts have yet to be fired but history says analysts get axed when things get like this. In '94 it is said that Goldman axed 85% of their analyst class. I think that along with much of Wall St. you guys don't get how bad things are getting...it is very possible that a big name like Bear or Lehman could flat go out of business like Drexel Burnham did in 1990.
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