I'm a Pod PM - Ask Me Anything

I work at one of the bigger pod shops and a few years ago made the transition from analyst to PM. I'm probably "mid career" and have navigated everything from IB recruiting (failed my first go round) to PE recruiting (sacrificed quite a bit for that) to HF interviews (worked well enough, so far). 

I first found this site over a decade ago while I was in college and it played a nontrivial role in getting my career off the ground. I doubt I have any sage wisdom, but if I can be helpful to other young monkeys like my former self, then that's the least I can do to repay my debt to this community. 

Enough about me, ask away before I get locked back into the seemingly never ending cycle of earnings prints.

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Associate Director in IB-M&A

Thank you. Most PMs want to believe they’re fundamental investors but behave like day traders. How do I “trade” my PM to have balls to double down when things are going against for non-fundamental reasons?

I also believe I’m a more fundamental guy and try to keep the day trading to a minimum so hopefully I’m not deluding myself too much.

What helps our team is starting with a solid, well researched thesis. If the analyst lays out  and communicates what exactly we’re playing for before we put the idea on, then it’s much easier to not get swayed by daily price action and to double down as the risk / reward improves. It also helps make it more of a mutual idea since you’re both bought in and it will feel more like his idea (for better or worse) and he’ll be less likely to just puke it when it underperforms for a month.

A lot of these types of things are resolved by active communication and that’s not just on the analyst but there’s still a lot you can do if your PM sucks on that front. Definitely don’t be quiet or “hide” when the idea isn’t working. Actively communicate why you think the stock hasn’t worked and make your case why that’s wrong. If your PM still isn’t listening, that’s probably another problem. 

 

Research Analyst in HF - Other

how big was your biggest total comp year (ballpark - 1m, 10m, 100m?)

and what did it take to hit that? luck, skill? how repeatable is it?

Ballpark 25m or so. 

It took getting a combination of big themes right while hitting a bunch of singles and doubles along the way. It’s both luck and skill and I’m not smart enough to know how much of each. Therefore, I can’t really answer the last question. I hope it’s repeatable! Honestly though, if you decomposed our performance and looked at our stats as our CIO does, I think you’d conclude we could do it again. 

 

 

Investment Analyst in S&T - Other

What are some ways you have seen central management pull the rug from under PMs? ie: alpha capture/central book guys asking to "collaborate"

Unfortunately in more ways than I’d care to detail here, though most are fairly minor. The central book thing is annoying, but that’s the cost of doing business and you more or less just need to accept that.

In my experience, leadership is generally fair and there’s not much blatant “rug pulling”. Just some minor grievances. 

 

am student so apologies if anything is nonsensical

1) where do u see things going in terms of coverage universes while ai probably at least makes wider universes more accessible? more multi-sector analysts / near generalist larger pods?
2) based on above and also in general for generating L/S spread do u think going fwd there will be attrition of opportunities for intra sector spread? PMs might shift to trying to generate more inter sector spread?
3) if either or both of above are true, how do u think that changes analyst job / what makes a good analyst?
4) if u were in college right now heading to pod L/S or aspiring to do L/S at pod what would you be doing to better prepare to be good analyst? feels like a lot is uncertain on what process might look like in the future with how ai could change or commoditize different things?
5) good sector or sub vertical to learn not necessarily to cover forever but to start with to get good footing / reps and develop sound process?

appreciate your time

 

Quick context on me: high school junior, target is Wharton ED, heavily into micro-cap value/net-nets and Python backtesting, and president of my school's investing club/stock pitch team.

Here are my questions:

  1. Summer Strategy for Wharton/Top Target Admissions: What’s the absolute best summer move after junior year—paying for pre-college programs (like Wharton LBW), or doing independent work like publishing micro-cap pitch decks, competing in national pitch comps, or cold-emailing local boutique value funds for an internship?
  2. Value Mindset vs. Pod Reality: How do you adapt a fundamental, bottom-up value mindset to pod-shop constraints (tight stop-losses, factor neutrality, and short holding horizons)?
  3. Skill Priority: If you were back in high school today, would you focus first on deep accounting/financial modeling or Python/data science/factor modeling?
  4. Public Signal: Does having a public Substack with stock write-ups help build real credibility for future HF recruiting, or do PMs only care about target school branding?
  5. Undergrad Path: Is starting straight in a pod academy (like Point72 or Citadel) right out of undergrad better than doing traditional IB/PE first if the end goal is running a book?
  6. Major Combination: For running capital down the line, is pure Finance/Econ better, or combining Finance with Computer Science/Math?
  7. Cold Emailing: What's the least annoying way for a high school or early college student to reach out to buy-side PMs/analysts without sounding like a nuisance?
  8. Catalyst vs. Valuation: In current pod market structure, how much do you weigh hard catalyst timing versus pure intrinsic valuation margin of safety?
  9. Position Sizing: What was the hardest lesson you learned about position sizing and risk management when you first received a capital allocation?
  10. Common Pitfalls: What’s the #1 mistake you see young guys make when writing a stock pitch deck that instantly exposes them as inexperienced?
  11. Macro Impact: How do you keep macro noise and sector factor swings from destroying a solid company-specific long thesis?
  12. Recommended Reading: Outside of the standard Intelligent Investor or Margin of Safety, what’s one market or risk management book you think every aspiring PM must read? 

Sorry for all the questions, but I am quite determined to also be a hf pm one day as well and am very curious about the hf space.

 

How do you think about capital deployment / risk budgeting throughout the year? Would you say you practice more conservatism before building a PnL cushion? How do you balance medium term think (12-18 month) perspectives on the market with the more immediate term? When you reflect on the success you have had thus far, what personal attributes of yours contributed to this? Could you provide an example of a thesis that played out on a security you were L/S? How do you think about simplicity/complexity of the ideas you decide to allow into the book (i.e., a single thing going right/wrong vs more layered thesis)? Thank you.

 

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