Tricks for getting into top MBA program?

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Hey Guys,

I am wondering if any of u know any particular tricks for getting accepting into a top MBA Program.

Tricks, such as- when applying for upenn for undergraduate (but really want to go to Wharton), the school statistics have shown that students are far more likely to get accepted if they apply into the college, as something like econ major, and then apply to internally transfer to wharton. thats just one example

Was wondering if anyone else had any tips or strategies for better chances of admissions to a top MBA program.

Thanks,

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Nov 28, 2016

I got some tricks for you:

1) Get 800 on the GMAT.
2) Get a perfect 4.0 from an Ivy League undergrad.
3) Work at a top firm, ideally MBB or a PE firm after spending 2 years at a top BB group.
4) Win a gold medal in the Olympics or something.
5) Do some wild interesting volunteer work.
6) Make sure you rewind the clock and are born to parents who went to a top school.
7) Ideally, have your parents give a $3MM+ donation to your choice of school.

Good luck!

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Nov 28, 2016
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I got some tricks for you:

1) Get 800 on the GMAT.2) Get a perfect 4.0 from an Ivy League undergrad.3) Work at a top firm, ideally MBB or a PE firm after spending 2 years at a top BB group.4) Win a gold medal in the Olympics or something.5) Do some wild interesting volunteer work.6) Make sure you rewind the clock and are born to parents who went to a top school.7) Ideally, have your parents give a $3MM+ donation to your choice of school.

Good luck!

since OP is interested in trickery, add (8) buy out admissions....

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Nov 29, 2016

Sounds duplicative with 7

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Nov 29, 2016

Im thinking of doing an LBO on Harvard graduate school. That way I am guaranteed a spot. Since my parents are billionaires they can bankroll me, and since I have a 4.0 from an ivy i can run the LBO analysis and formulate the legal framework myself. I figure I can make enough money stripping and selling off all the assets, and then leasing them back. If I don't make enough that way, I figure as owner I can start to dip into their billion dollar endowment. Ill turn Harvard into a corporation, prepare an ABS backed by the all the incoming students college tuition payments, ill short the fuck out of it, and then declare bankruptcy on the school. My MBA degree would be worthless at that point but hey, whats the point of having fuck you money if you never get to say fuck you..amiright?

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Mar 29, 2017

No... Just no mate.

Jul 25, 2018

I thought this was funny, but I still gave you some MS, just because I wanted to jump on the bandwagon. But well done.

Jul 30, 2018

You're better than that bud

Jul 30, 2018

You're right, bro. You didn't deserve that MS.

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Jul 30, 2018

Its much appreciated my friend

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Jul 30, 2018

There, have a silver banana. You deserve it.

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Nov 30, 2016

CBS early decision is probably the closest there is to a "trick" in that it's significantly easier to get in ED vs regular. You can also consider "back dooring" into a school with PT programs such as Kellogg, Booth, Stern, Haas which are way easier to get into than full time

Nov 30, 2016

How does this?

"back dooring"

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Dec 1, 2016

This is exactly what I was looking for. Extremely helpful, thank u very much Frank

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Dec 1, 2016

Do you get a degree with part time written on it? What if pt MBAs aren't treated equal to full time by employers?

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Dec 1, 2016

i'm not sure what the degree says as im enrolled in a FT program. from what i've heard, it's challenging to try and recruit as a PT student as they often can't participate in OCR and recruiting events but i've also heard anecdotes of part timers getting jobs at MBB and BBs. Best to reach out directly to PT students in whatever programs you're interested in.

Dec 1, 2016

What business school are you at?

"NYU Stern MBA Academic Affairs does not permit students to switch to the Full-time MBA program once they are enrolled in the Langone Part-time MBA program. Please carefully consider which program is best suited to your goals prior to applying." Blahhh

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Dec 1, 2016

Then I guess part time isn't worth it. Programs matter as much as brands do. Paying for a brand alone is not a sensible choice

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Dec 2, 2016

I'm in Booth PT, we can do OCR but there are a couple hoops. Degree is same, I even take some day classes with the FTers, but yes I do have to cry myself to sleep that my GMAT was 10 points lower, some of those rock stars were better at geometry, etc etc.

If you're seeking the banking or consulting route I'd still gun for FT, but any other group outside of those and No one gives a shit that it's PT

Nov 30, 2016

I'm all about the backdoor

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Dec 8, 2016

Thanks for the laugh LOL

Dec 1, 2016

A good GMAT and a target undergrad will get you in most 10-15 ranked programs if you pay full tuition. I know cause I've don it(although I turned it down since MBA is a waste of time anyway...)

Plus good work experience and good GPA will get you into top 5-10.
Plus superb work experience(BB or Consulting+promotion) will get you into Harvard.
It used to be harder but now it's just that(sarcasm...)

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Dec 2, 2016

Be a minority. Get into minority feeder programs for MBAs like ML4T or Toigo. CRUSH the GMAT since a 760+ is a BEAST score. If the gmat isn't for you then take the GRE and do very well on that. @Xepa did the GRE route and is at a M7.

-A delusional minority who wants to do HBS 2+2, Yale Silver Scholars, or GSB 2+2.

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Dec 2, 2016

I know someone who hardcore sold in their application and interview for Kellogg that they wanted to do non-profit mananagement. As far as I know, they had subpar grades from a subpar school and subpar work experience. They changed their track to finance upon matriculation and are now with Bain in Sydney.

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Dec 2, 2016
Heyward-Bey:

I know someone who hardcore sold in their application and interview for Kellogg that they wanted to do non-profit mananagement. As far as I know, they had subpar grades from a subpar school and subpar work experience. They changed their track to finance upon matriculation and are now with Bain in Sydney.

smh

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Dec 4, 2016

Yeah, I am not encouraging it -- but it could possibly help in getting admitted into a 'reach' school.

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Dec 2, 2016

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A

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Dec 2, 2016

Harvard and Wharton fought over me after I used this... Felt like I had hacks, man.

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Dec 2, 2016

Eh, the part time / full time difference in school is different. I did a full time program (not a top 10), and the GF is currently doing a part time at stern. The part time program is on cruise control, but it makes sense for people who are already working full time.

From what I have seen in accounting / finance, the school name does not matter as much as the letters after your name and the alumni network.

I declined an offer at BlackRock in compliance that I got with an MBA from an alright school. The letters and the network are what are crucial. Look at where you want to go geographically and look at the schools the major players hire from. A lot of those companies say top ten, but in reality, how many people actually went to a top ten school vs others who have a similar background. It's good for getting your foot in the door at a big company / big name firm, but 3-5 years down the line no one is going to care as much if you went to Harvard or Fordham as long as you get your job done well and are a smart person.

I get the hype for the top 10, but also think their value is over hyped too. Just some things I have noticed - feel free to flame away.

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Dec 2, 2016

Imagine how many clicks you'd get on this site if you threw up a banner ad declaring, "ONE WEIRD TRICK to getting into a TOP mba?"

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Dec 2, 2016

Well considering the tip i received about applying to upenn as an econ minor into the college, and then transferring into the Wharton school, I would absolutely say that THATS ONE WEIRD TRICK that absolutely helped/helps. Theres a huge majority of students who would be denied applying to Wharton, but would be accepted into the college as I have seem it first hand.

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Dec 3, 2016
salad:

Theres a huge majority of students who would be denied applying to Wharton, but would be accepted into the college as I have seem it first hand.

You're telling me the majority of students denied to Wharton would get into Penn Arts & Science? That's just plain wrong. Acceptance rate from Penn SAS to Wharton are high because 1) these are still high achieving Ivy League students 2) small sample size.

Gimme the loot

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Dec 4, 2016

Do u go to penn?

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Dec 4, 2016

lol or throw monkey shit at me. considering ur last post was u looking for advice for a super non-target, that u conveniently deleted, I am certain that u do not go to penn. Because u do not go here, u definitely don't spend countless hours around students and professors at the school who all tell u exactly what goes on behind closed doors. so because of this, and because of the fact that u are too stupid to get accepted anywhere else but a super non-target, i am certain u have absolutely no idea what the fuck ur talking about so i think the best thing for u to do is to shut the fuck up and go home and get ur fucking shine box

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Dec 5, 2016

Kid, do you have issues? I am telling you something I know based on the many Penn students I know from my high school and elsewhere, who I have talked to specifically about this. Getting into any school in Penn isn't easy and can't be considered a "backdoor", but your inflated high school ego probably thinks that way. I somehow doubt you're a college student, based on the incredible stupidity of almost everything you've posted on this website, but assuming you are--I noticed you've struck out on SA recruiting. I'm shocked you, with your rudimentary knowledge of finance, recruiting, and MBA admissions, have failed to navigate the competitive hiring process.

Let me know if you ever need my shine box, or maybe just some help getting your head out of your ass, because this "super-non target" has a job offer in industry and you don't. :)

Gimme the loot

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Dec 5, 2016

lol relax dude its not that serious. and yes actually i am a junior undergrad, sorry i don't take this website as serious as u do. currently i have three SA offers, one in Sales and Trading, think Citi, and two investment banking at MM. i posted that just to see if there was still any top notch BB still conducting interviews.

what is ur job offer?

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Dec 5, 2016

Posts paragraph-long tirade for no reason, then tells someone else to relax. ROFL

Enjoy your made up SA experience.

Gimme the loot

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Dec 5, 2016

ok

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Dec 5, 2016

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Mar 29, 2017

Did you seriously think about this guy for NEARLY 8 HOURS!!
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Dec 5, 2016
salad:

lol or throw monkey shit at me. considering ur last post was u looking for advice for a super non-target, that u conveniently deleted, I am certain that u do not go to penn. Because u do not go here, u definitely don't spend countless hours around students and professors at the school who all tell u exactly what goes on behind closed doors. so because of this, and because of the fact that u are too stupid to get accepted anywhere else but a super non-target, i am certain u have absolutely no idea what the fuck ur talking about so i think the best thing for u to do is to shut the fuck up and go home and get ur fucking shine box

Sounds like it's for @Noelle90

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Dec 5, 2016

Apply to Phoenix online, get good grades, then transfer to HBS after your first semester

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Dec 8, 2016

You can actually transfer from Phoenix?

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Mar 29, 2017

I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down yet. But the hell why not.

Dec 6, 2016

bump

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Dec 8, 2016

Go to as many admission and info sessions. Get face time with admission officers. Meet actual professors and have conversations with them. Find different programs that help network with Alumni. Nail the essay and interview. From listening and networking with a lot of people one of the biggest mistakes or decisions applicants or prospective students is the mistake on the essay and interview. You can get a great score on the GMAT and GRE but bomb the essay or interview. Many admission officers told me that they hate when a essay is copied for multiple schools and NOT tailored for that specific school. This can look really bad even if you get a 760 on GMAT

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Apr 5, 2017

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Apr 5, 2017

http://nypost.com/2017/04/04/teen-gets-into-stanfo... use this OP. This will get you into any academic school you want now. You could also identify as a black female lesbian that served in the military and used to be a man.... if you hit all of these credentials your diversity will be a guaranteed entry. I believe in you OP.... do the surgery.

Jun 7, 2017

Guys, I have a question regarding graduation from top mba programs such as wharton, stanford, hbs and grades. Once I graduate and go for interviews, would my gpa from these top institutions matter. What if I have like a 2.5 GPA, would that matter?

Jun 7, 2017

focus on the GMAT. make sure to get a 730+

Jun 7, 2017

GMAT is crucial. It seems that a lot of top MBAs are now looking for voluntary experience as well.

Jun 7, 2017

Aiming to do GMAT after I finish CFA's in June this year, I am not too worried about GMAT since I am generally pretty good with test taking, also I know GMAT is something I can go from zero to hero within a very short period of time. It is the other things that can't get be crammed I am more worried about.

Jun 7, 2017

Just make sure to give yourself time to retake if necessary. I think it's best to aim for a 99th %ile score. I also am decent with test taking and I still had to study for over 60 hours to get the score that I wanted.

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Jun 7, 2017

Mate, if you think 60 hours is a lot, try studying for the CFA....so far I have spent about 500 hours studying CFA lvl 1 and 2....

Jun 7, 2017

That's brutal, bro. I've heard that the CFA is an enormous undertaking.

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Jun 7, 2017

You wrote:

: I know GMAT is something I can go from zero to hero within a very short period of time.

You might want to work on humility

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Jun 7, 2017

I'm not sure the CFA matter at all.

That said,

  1. Get good grades
  2. Dominate the GMAT
    3a. Achieve World Peace / Cure World Hunger / another absurd extra curricular
    or
    3b. Work at Goldman

Same path to Harvard as everyone else

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Jun 7, 2017

Biggest weakness of your app will be your essays where you answer the "why do you need this degree and why now?" question. You don't in fact need an MBA. You already work in your target industry and will hold the most sought after designation in that industry. The coursework will have no educational value for you whatever. You can register for some upper level finance, math, or comp sci courses but those are not actually "MBA courses".

You can lie and say you are looking for a career change into a role that would actually benefit from the coursework but from what you wrote I really don't get why you want an MBA.

Your raw stats and experience are a shoe-in for many top programs but the most elite schools won't let someone in who just wants to hang out and do OCR (of which there is very little for your target industry BTW). They regard themselves as actual schools, the main attraction of which is the classes. We regard them as recruitment platforms but they don't like being used that way.

Focus on the essay, the fit, why you want to go back to school, etc. Tighten up your story. 10 more GMATs is the last thing you need.

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Jun 7, 2017

730+ gmat score - averages are rising every year
Focus on getting a healthy number of relevant post-college extracurriculars under your belt (for example, volunteering to teach financial literacy) - cannot emphasize this enough. Easy way to differentiate yourself.

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Jun 7, 2017

Best way to position yourself for a top b-school is to STOP reverse engineering your profile. There isn't a one-size-fits-all profile.

First, stop underestimating the GMAT like Napoleon did with the Russian winter. I'm sure you think you're super smart, but the GMAT isn't an intelligence test. It's not about "hard" or "easy" but about putting in the proper time to make sure you don't fuck it up. Underestimate it at your peril.

Secondly, here's your raw top level profile: finance/engineering school, you work in finance, and you have a CFA. You may be the life of the party in a room full of accountants and finance guys, but outside of that, you'll come across as a bit one-dimensional and a bore. B-school isn't a finance degree. It's a pretty wide dispersion of folks from different walks of life and occupations.

Be interesting. How you do that is as unique as the individual, and that's for you to figure out. Why? Because you have your own interests and values.

What if I suggested that you get involved as an activist in Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Transgender political groups in Australia? Would you? Because there's certainly folks at these top schools (some of whom were in finance like yourself) who have done so. But they didn't do it because they thought it would help their b-school applications.

Or how about your local synagogue or Jewish organization? Maybe you can convert just for the sake of your b-school applications.

Or how about enlisting in the military reserves? Or becoming a volunteer firefighter? I'm sure putting your life in potential danger is sure worth it just for your b-school apps.

Or start a band? I'm sure in just a few short weeks you can mix like Calvin Harris, wax poetic like Kendrick Lamar, or play guitar like Slash.

Get involved in something that you'd actually do regardless of b-school applications. If you need b-school admissions to be a reason to get involved, well, then, just volunteer at some local charity, tutor kids, or fundraise for your university and end up being a McApplicant like all the other applicants who are trying to window dress their way to some profile they think will actually past the sniff test with an adcom, especially when compared to folks who actually do it for the right reasons - you can't fake this shit.

Short of volunteering for ISIS or some militant Islamic group, the canvas is completely yours to fill.

If you get involved for the right reasons, you will be interesting. If you try and reverse engineer and window dress this shit, the only person in the room you're fooling is yourself.

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Jun 7, 2017

Give this guy all the bananas!!!

Jun 7, 2017

Very good feedback guys, thanks for all the advice!

Jun 7, 2017

Also relax a bit. Again, there's some other posters who have been in touch with HBS and they've posted on here saying that even any arrogance rubbing off your profile will get you dinged by the adcom.

Something else nobody's brought up: there is a significant luck factor involvedd. There's some near-perfect profiles that were dinged by HBS and Stanford last year. It doesn't mean they did anything wrong it just means that they had too many applicants who were in that league to take them all. There's also a human luck element. It's extremely unlikely that you will know the personalities of everyone who reviews your file. You can't really anticipate whether some of the content on your essays is going to rub people the right way or the wrong way. Something I encountered personally is that you might strike one interviewer as an aggressive go getter, while another might feel that you are being unrealistic.

Different schools also have different goals that you can ferret out by talking to enough people. HBS has already been discussed here(posters have said they're trying to broaden their student body), others have had good results with some students and want more (ref my post on Kelley), and others want large numbers of international students (I've been told that about Emory/Goizueta).

It also can vary year by year. I heard through the grapevine at one of the schools I applied to that they had over twice the normal number of applications for the class of 2017 and I've been told similar rumblings from other folks. A lot of us who simply don't have the option of waiting until next year had to take schools a bracket below what we wanted as a result.

Jun 7, 2017

It's great that you're asking this question now! Alongside the other great feedback you've gotten in this very energetic thread, I'd like to emphasize two key ideas: leadership and impact. A great GMAT is one crucial leg of a strong application to top MBA programs, but we work with lots of re-applicants every year who come to us after learning the hard way that a 770 isn't enough. Leadership -- as Harvard puts is, "a habit of leadership" -- and impact, i.e. doing stuff that impacts others, be it the organization, your peers/classmates, end users or beneficiaries of a community service initiative, or participants in an initiative you spearheaded -- are what makes a successful application for top business schools. Have an impact, benefit others, and make a habit of it.

Jun 7, 2017
Stacy_Blackman:

Leadership -- as Harvard puts is, "a habit of leadership" -- and impact, i.e. doing stuff that impacts others, be it the organization, your peers/classmates, end users or beneficiaries of a community service initiative, or participants in an initiative you spearheaded -- are what makes a successful application for top business schools. Have an impact, benefit others, and make a habit of it.

^This. Don't get too caught up in stats - they are a pass or fail. If there is a secret sauce, then it is taking initiative and creating positive influence with everything you do. This characterizes three persons I know to have been accepted at HBS before me and I was accepted at HBS 2+2 with both GPA and GMAT below median myself.

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Jun 7, 2017

I know it's still tough to get a job on Wall Street even coming from a top business school but it's obviously advantageous compared to coming straight from Baruch. Just wanted to elaborate on that.

Jun 7, 2017

You're already counting yourself out way too early. Given Baruch's location there is some placement on the Street and a decent alumni presence. If financially or other personal reasons you can't transfer. What you can do during undergrad is:

  • Crush your coursework, 3.8+ GPA
  • Get involved on campus, do some relevant clubs and get some leadeship positions where you can show the impact you made with the organization
  • Do brand name internships. Since you're in NYC you'll be at an advantage where you can do some relevant internships during the semester. A lot of other schools, even targets don't have this given their locations. Some will be part-time or unpaid, but if you manage to do 1 or 2 early on you'll have an advantage when sophomore/junior summer internship recruiting comes around and you have an internship that other students may not have
  • Networking: Connect with alumni who are on Wall Street through school-facilitated events/sites or even cold contacting via LinkedIn. Introduce yourself and build a relationship with them, showing your interest in their careers and their paths
  • Don't forget to enjoy college and have fun, don't just put on blinders on Wall Street - explore everything you can, personally and professionally

It's honestly too early to even have bschool on the radar. You're talking about something that's essentially a decade out - a lot can change in that time period. You can end up getting the dream job you want out of undergrad and not even have to go to bschool. I think my last bullet above is one of the more important ones.

Jun 7, 2017

Some other things:

  • Learn what Wall Street entails, do you know what job function or role interests you? Or are you just going of the stereotypes you see from movies?
  • And I guess to answer your original question, plenty of alumni from average undergrads get into top 10 MBA programs. These people usually have some combination of strong work experience/employers, good GPA, good GMAT, good professional/personal story. But it's not unheard of for a person from a Penn State-caliber school and end up at a program like Columbia. Top tier bschool admissions are different from top undergrad admissions - they look for different things.
Jun 7, 2017

Guys, anyone out there knows how to deal with such a situation?

Jun 7, 2017

Personally, I don't think that qualifications are valued as much as a strong GMAT. Have you taken a practice exam yet? What score do you realistically hope to achieve?

Jun 7, 2017

Prestige matters. Because more often than not people who go to prestigious university usually get the prestigious jobs.

BTW a 4.0 at OSU is a incredibly achievement. OSU is a solid school.

Jun 7, 2017

Let me guess. a freshman at OSU?

Jun 7, 2017

Yes, but not for the reasons you think.

If you go to a non-target, you have a MUCH less chance of getting the type of job that MBA's recruit from. There's A LOT more people from ~Top 25 schools than other schools at the M7 business schools, but that's also because there's A LOT more people at top banks/consulting firms/tech companies/etc from Top 25 undergrad schools.

There's plenty of people from non-name undergrad schools in the top schools, but they tend to be people who got high GPA's and got a prestigious job. If you get a prestigious job out of a no name program you'll probably be fine getting into a top business school. There's some bias in adcoms towards top undergrad schools, and if you're a marginally candidate it could move the needle one way or another, but getting good work experience will be a much bigger battle.

Also, If you do go to a non-target, getting a high GPA is a must (if you go to a top program, a lower GPA is usually fine...which makes sense since the competition is much higher at Stanford than OSU). In your exact example, A 3.9-4.0 from OSU is probably indeed around equivalent to around a 3.4-3.5 at Stanford in adcoms minds, assuming the same exact work experience. The issue you'll face is though, every bank and consulting firm will hire a 3.5 from Stanford, but at OSU none of them come on-campus, and you'll have a harder time getting your foot in the door, even with sky high GPA, just from the fact its a non-target.

--- Edit

Ohio State University is ranked higher than I assumed, around 50, so things might be a bit easier than I imply above.

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Jun 7, 2017

OSU is not a crap school. It has a massive alumni network and a lot of firms hire there.

Jun 8, 2017

No I will actually be a freshmen at the Bocconi in Milan in September. idk anything about OSU. I just googled worst universities in the US and I came up with that... I hope that Bocconi will give me some fairly good opportunities in the US

Jun 8, 2017

Sounds like a pasta brand.

Jun 8, 2017

-.- Now I'm offended

Jun 8, 2017

Grow a pair.

Jun 8, 2017

???

Jun 8, 2017
Big4toBanker:

My plan is to start applying in October/November next year and I was wondering if there is anything I could do to improve my chances. I feel that being Indian is a huge advantage given how overrepresented they are in top MBA programs.

Thanks!

.. you mean "disadvantage"?

Jun 8, 2017

yeah dawg yeah, you golden bro

Jun 8, 2017

Yes. Huge DISadvantage. My bad - fixed it.

Jun 8, 2017

It's impossible for anyone to comment on your chances with only that information.

Your work experience may or may not cut it. It's going to depend on things like the impact you've had, leadership experience, management experience, and how interesting your projects were.

And even if you hit it out of the park with your work experience, your GMAT score, GPA and extracurricular involvement will play a huge role in getting into an M7.

Jun 8, 2017

OK. What kind of extracurricular activities are they looking for?

Jun 8, 2017

I am also currently pursuing an Masters degree in Finance at an almost no-name school. To make a long story short, I had a few issues with my visa and the only way I could continue to work in the US was to go back to school. I didn't have much notice and therefore not enough time to find another school so I ended up going here. I'm assuming this doesn't help me in any way at all but would this hurt my chances?

Jun 8, 2017

it won't not get you into a top 15 MBA program.

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Jun 8, 2017

It's not just about numbers.

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Jun 8, 2017

I appreciate the reply , what are the major factors that are involved with the overall factors of the applications. I have been trying to research as much as possible, however I feel it is not as useful as hearing from someone who has experience.

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Jun 8, 2017

What if the OP's GPA was 3.7 & GMAT over 750?

Jun 8, 2017

You definitely have a shot. What does your work exp look like?

Jun 8, 2017
trailmix8:

it won't not get you into a top 15 MBA program.

+1 to this. Those numbers won't disqualify you, but the rest of your applications needs to be top notch. Don't waste time retaking the GMAT. Get te rest of your package together.

Jun 8, 2017
solntsevskaya:

What if the OP's GPA was 3.7 & GMAT over 750?

If that was the case, and all other things were completely equal, then he'd have a better shot than the guy with the 3.5 and 710, but all other things are never equal. That person with the 3.7 and 750 may have shxtty work experience, shxtty interview skills and a generic application. He/she is going to get rejected almost everytime.

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Jun 8, 2017
Vinsanity:
solntsevskaya:

What if the OP's GPA was 3.7 & GMAT over 750?

shxtty interview skills and a generic application

What do you mean?

Jun 8, 2017

I mean that a lot of people spend all of their time trying to get that magical GMAT score that they think will give them a better chance of being accepted. Realistically, if they got a score that was 20 points lower and spent the extra time crafting a good application and preparing for interviews rather than retaking the exam, they'd probably have a better chance of getting in. I've seen plenty of people with GMAT scores in the mid-600s get accepted to top 5-7 schools.

All of the talk about needing a score in the high 700s just distracts people from what they should really be focusing on and helps the GMAT prep companies make a killing.

Jun 8, 2017

I'm assuming by your user name you are approximately 17 years old. You should probably worry about undergrad first.

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Jun 8, 2017

Its impossible to give you any advice here without more information. Where is your university ranked, what is your major/gpa, what do you do at the fortune 500, how long have you been there? GMAT is also a very important part of your application and just because you intend on getting a high GMAT doesn't mean you'll be able to. Given your non target and non elite work experience, you are going to need at least a 740 to enter the conversation

Jun 8, 2017

My university was recently ranked 123rd within a list of top 250 public schools in America. My GPA fluctuates per semester but on average stays around the 3.9 range. I now have a 3.6 cumulative GPA because I received a D in a non business course which was really easy but I just took on too much responsibility that semester as I mentioned in my initial post. I am now retaking that course which will bump my GPA back up to the higher end of the 3.9 range. I am a dual major in both finance and accounting and minoring in information systems. My role at the fortune 500 company is a financial analyst role. I understand that it is hard to get a 740 but hypothetically speaking, if I do get a 740 or above on my GMAT do you think I have a chance at a top MBA school? My top choice is Olin business school at Washington university in st. Louis.

Jun 8, 2017
CollegeStudent123:

My top choice is Olin business school at Washington university in st. Louis.

...why?

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Jun 8, 2017

Well honestly I kinda rushed through this post and should not have said "top choice." What I really meant is that it is the school that I feel that I have a greater chance of getting into and it is definitely a desired choice, that is if I am not accepted to any other school that is higher ranked. My ultimate goal is to get into the highest ranked business school that I am able to.

Jun 8, 2017

Thanks for the monkey shit.

I was asking "why" because given the profile you're shooting for (F500 intern experience, 3.9 GPA, 740 GMAT), I'd be shocked if you couldn't get in somewhere better than Olin. I figured there was some specific reason (geographic, a particular employer, etc.) that you were interested. I thought it was an odd "top choice," which is exactly what you called it in your post.

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Jun 8, 2017

It sounds like you're trying to "buy" into a career that pays the income you want... Usually MBA looks at post undergrad employment.

Jun 8, 2017

You need to keep the GPA high given the non prestige university. A 740+ will be a huge help if you can swing it. A school like Olin has a 696 average GMAT so a high GMAT is probably enough to get you in there. Don't really know how your work experience will be viewed.

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ibanking and consulting experience is def. not necessary to get into a top MBA. In fact, almost all of the top MBA programs have less than 30% of its student body composed of ex-bankers/consultants (with schools like Harvard taking well less than 10% from banking). M/B/B will almost certainly get you into a top program... can't say the same about banking (GS/MS will help, but not to the same degree as M/B/B). But honestly... 70+% of students don't come from these two industries; why are you worried?

Jun 8, 2017

well the thing is, I really think I want to study engineering because it interests me, and its versatile, but I also have a strong interest in consulting, and if I don't get into right out of undergrad (which is probably what is going to happen statistically speaking, especially since eng lowers your GPA), then I don't want the EE degree to keep me out of getting into a top business school, and maybe trying again from there. Also, most posts I've read have said that if you don't get good internships (i.e. I-banking/consulting) out of undergrad, then you won't get into a top MBA. Who knows, I might not even care about consulting anymore, but I still want an MBA from a top school so I can move up into management at my engineering firm (this is something I KNOW I want to do) or so that if I do consulting in the EE field, the prestige can help carry me a bit further. So that's why I care, but yeah.

So now the question is, what kind of companies would top MBA schools want to see from an engineer?

Jun 8, 2017

well the thing is, I really think I want to study engineering because it interests me, and its versatile, but I also have a strong interest in consulting, and if I don't get into right out of undergrad (which is probably what is going to happen statistically speaking, especially since eng lowers your GPA), then I don't want the EE degree to keep me out of getting into a top business school, and maybe trying again from there. Also, most posts I've read have said that if you don't get good internships (i.e. I-banking/consulting) out of undergrad, then you won't get into a top MBA. Who knows, I might not even care about consulting anymore, but I still want an MBA from a top school so I can move up into management at my engineering firm (this is something I KNOW I want to do) or so that if I do consulting in the EE field, the prestige can help carry me a bit further. So that's why I care, but yeah.

So now the question is, what kind of companies would top MBA schools want to see from an engineer?

Jun 8, 2017

If engineering is something that you are passionate about then you should pursue it. Your college experience is about the journey not the final product (i.e. GPA and diploma). You can major in engineering and still maintain a solid GPA. An engineering background will provide you with a solid foundation from which you can delve into banking or consulting.

Top b-schools are looking for well-rounded applicants and this includes people from diverse backgrounds (bankers, consultants, military men, fine art appraisers, etc). You need a solid GPA, strong GMAT score, community involvement, and a few differentiating factors. Good luck.

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Jun 8, 2017

Answer: Save the whales

Jun 8, 2017

Don't worry, there are tons of engineers in Top 10 business schools. There are also lots of engineering applicants and the Top 10 schools draw from a global pool, many with good grades. That said 4 to 5 years of really impactful work experience as an engineer can overshadow a less than perfect GPA.

Jun 8, 2017

just kill the GMAT!

Jun 8, 2017
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