+1 It’s been quite great here so far. saunachimp
+1 I just want a job dude  GoTrees
+1 I want to note (after some research and gut feelings too) -> The group I want is literally the BEST OF THE BEST in their niche and it's kind of common protocol to forward student's to HR. mindforge
+1 Damn I can’t relate to any of these replies, I was killing it from 21-25, shit was so effortless for me but it dropped off a lot after 25. BenBernyankin'
+1 Terence Tao is using LLMs rather effectively in his math research Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+1 Oil 101 by Morgan Downey mooseeee
+1 Fair. Ngl banking isnt rlly meritocratic never was so kinda hard to draw the line. Gainone1572
+1 That would require admitting that your entire investment philosophy revolves around the Fed holding rates at or near zero. Ozymandia
+1 Are you certain he's a financial professional and not a Keebler elf living in a tree baking cookies?  FinanceBrah
+1 its a 20 year old kid trying his best lmao fuck that firm  financialrepublic
+1 I've seen some great OZ deals but for the most part they are suffering. In the long run i think they'll be fine, just not home runs. Full Stack
+1 LMM MD. Normally get in around 8:30. Normally out by 5:00 or 5:30. Try to wrap up by early afternoon on Fridays. About of half hour of emails in the early morning while sipping coffee. apprehensiongadzooks
+1 I kind of agree, but only to the extent that at 21 sometimes you have a boyishness about you that works well for some ladies but at 25 that is no longer cute, so the more put together guys get ahead.  Analyst 3+ in IB-M&A
+1 Exactly 32, no less, no more. Associate 1 in PE - Other
+1 Agreed moelis should be D tier or even below. Intern in IB-M&A
+1 I haven't heard back but I think if you don't make it to the AC they send u a rejection. Haven't been rejected yet and I know they will run another AC beginning of December.  monkey2003
+1 Anonymous Monkey: We get it you get no pussy Commenting that anonymously is comical KageSelly
+1 haha yeah i did 1st round with MS for their GCM division but was dinged after. IB application didn't get past screening unfortunately. Intern in PE - Other
+1 Anonymous Monkey: Well if there are grammar mistakes, at least I know they wrote the emails themselves. Compared to the ones that are obviously ChatGPT'd. KageSelly
+1 Likely for long-run optionality. You can do basically anything across the investing landscape with a solid PE background, or stay in PE, or move back to banking, or go corporate, etc. poocghh
+1 Love the player, hate the games dcfdestroying
+1 Yes, especially moving upstream Associate 1 in IB-M&A
+1 I personally did that and got a couple responses for firms that are looking to interview but just aren’t sure of their current plan for interns whoooo
+1 Went through the same thing last year and did not get a return lol Anonymous Monkey
+1 It’s not research. You sound like a portfolio specialist / trading execution role  hedgehog9
+1 Depends on how you trade them. There are pairs and baskets that make sense like EXPE / BNKG, UBER / LYFT, etc. Determined
+1 Thomas Barnes at National has gotta be up there. They don’t call him Tom Brady for nothing. Associate 1 in IB - Cov
+1 Ha! And I thought I had one of the worst stories for this career path. Thanks for dropping that comment big dawg—means a lot.  和平
+1 Thank you, that is great input. I have a friend from my MBA (also a vet) that did the VIP program and currently works for GS. ArmyVet-MBA-Candidate
+1 Not sure why any firm in their right mind would send across confidential CIMs to a third party just to get a templated model, that too in an email.  neil88
+1 Thanks for your input, Adrien! Really appreciate it. Hope you have a nice rest of the day MonkDonk
+1 Agreeing with OP here - specifically the amount of low effort emails I get is nuts. I respect the hustle and grind, but I’m getting way too many that are clearly templated and spammed en masse. Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+1 Will we ever see golden cinderblock come back? Dude used to crack me up Antigue 107
+1 Ya, company is called EZCORP (NASDAQ: EZPW) Investment Analyst in HF - RelVal
+1 isnt he an analyst Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+1 Memorize them palm_beach_ll
+1 The fuck up was more related to not talking to your associate / vp about it immediately. Recalls almost never work externally as well for future reference. Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+1 Yes you boor go get some art Get a bunch of tchotchkes, photos of your family, deal toys I had an MD that had a bunch of framed posters from his NFL team Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+1 Read books bobskeet
+1 Do consulting(or something else hard) and get some structured training, reps and branding. First step might be to get a good inventory on your options. TrySomeMalort
+1 Definitely smart guys from the interactions I had with them. They seemed more willing than most other places to do pretty hairy deals, though it was definitely reflected in their pricing.  Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
+1 Analyst 3+ in IB - Cov TLBandChill
+1 Interestingly enough, this is exactly why I didn't include my own school which could have tipped the scales. Associate 2 in IB-M&A
+1 Just want to share one piece of advice - similar to above comment, the right way to think about it is to ensure each conversation is high impact and leaves your contact thinking you are well prepared, thoughtful, and easy bravepenguins
+1 Always cool to see how far back these threads go… wonder if he got the gig. DealFlowDan
+1 Just one little slice of the sin and folly prevalent throughout the system. mkaypowlo
+1 Lots of IB domination nowadays. Would say the best clubs to join are Finance Development Program, Commodore Capital Group, and VIC.  innatecookies
+1 Going into college thinking you want to "do consulting" is genuinely sad. Just putting that out there. Analyst 1 in Consulting
+1 f Associate 3 in PE - Other
+1 Win pitch competitions directly sponsored by a fund. Several have already taken place, but Valiant Capital, for example, is hosting one with Berkeley. studentlurker123
+1 Doubt KKR Cap Markets want accountants. Smoke Frog
+1 In this economy any grad role is a blessing I’d go for EVR Intern in IB-M&A
+1 Jesus Morgan Stanley comp is an absolute travesty these days Works at Morgan Stanley
+1 Very few if any I think - some of the bigger AMs credit strategies will (Oaktree, BX, KKR etc.), but can argue if they’re what you’d consider “HFs”  Monkey.D.
+1 You’re totally screwed! It’s impossible! Smoke Frog
+1 Just try to be nice with them even if they are not nice with you. Be nice with everyone, and at some point people will notice that you are a nice guy and will be nice back. sevenez
+1 You will also likely end up with having your investments crossed in some way - so will be a while before you start getting paid a promote.  patsfan947
+1 I think the biggest benefits are (I) providing coGP and lp equity, and (ii) extending liquidity runway while the firm grows revenue streams. therightcoast_
+1 This is really helpful—and I noticed from your profile you went from RX CO to PE. That's a path I'm trying to understand better. 和平
+1 exactly. Levfin is sweaty because they run the same super long credit processes over and over again for deals of all sizes. Intern in IB - Gen
+1 I heard that the analyst that started this year in the evr da team is highly inept so that would be your senior when you start next year JailPowell
+1 I actually moved to corp dev post-banking after being an analyst. Sorry to tell you but your corp dev applications have been denied. Associate 3 in IB - Cov
+1 thank you I’ve been thinking about starting a yt channel Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+1 Also for context, I'm not dead-set on IB/PE. I really want to do something entrepreneurial when I'm older so my main priority is learning. Don't care abt salary. throwitaway121
+1 Bump - any more insights? Seems pretty brutal if at all true VP in PE - LBOs
+1 Bumping again 2 years later Heavy-Monkey
+1 You’ve said this a few times - what does walking all over you look like? Associate 3 in PE - LBOs
+1 Director in RE - Comm Rick Kane
+1 Do you regret doing the programmatics? Would you do it again? Assistant in Non-profit
+1 What if someone's getting laid? nooneinparticular
+1 Houlihan Lokey for M&A advisory in the U.K. The_Fisher_Account
+1 Close to option B. Simple build out of the three financial statements. By far the hardest part is using the web based software to finish it in time Most excel shortcuts don’t work. jengatower
+1 Yes, my friend who went to Duke, who is a FGLI white male from an abusive family upbringing, had no traction with EB / BB/ Buyside, and had to settle for a regional mutual fund in Charlotte.  Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+1 My boys and I have this game where we’re running thru this NYU sorority so I have their class pic up and crosses thru some and not others. No one gets it  Senior VP in PE - Other
+1 Nothing to worry about; it makes no difference for 27 SA recruiting at Citadel CAP/Point72 Academy/D&C/Weiss/DE Shaw etc. Prospect in HF - EquityHedge
+1 So curious why this is? They run the leanest deal teams out of all the BB's, are not cheap on fees and routinely have the second highest average deal value across all BB's in EMEA? Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+1 Its not terrible implementation. Its implemented exactly as they intended. monke33
+1 You would be correct if DEI stopped at the entry level hiring layer. monke33
+1 Nomura has better exits in PE if that’s what you seek. For pure Advisory, HL hands down though Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
+1 Q3 2024 YTD US League Table (I don’t have more recent than this): Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
+1 I'd argue fin spec @ trading house > most hf's powerforward1
+1 It inherently benefits the top brass white males, who are the ones ultimately in control. But it also comes at the expense of the socioeconomically disadvantaged white males. monke33
+1 Yes, you will be fine. It's a very good background you have, so you just have to have a good story on why you are looking to return to IB, and why RX as opposed to M&A.  Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+1 Obviously it is not the case 100% of the time. For the former example, finding someone truly disadvantaged in IB is like finding a needle in a haystack. monke33
+1 Bump chuzz184
+1 Ah ok this crystallizes the issue. Yes PE associate is a dead end job, in that it will never free you of the “rat race” unless you are ok with saving like $1-5mm and FIRE-ing and living relatively modestly. SOFRsoGood
+1 i'm going to avoid being mean to you because you're young/inexperienced, but no one cares about the size of the fund (within reason). sick_willy
+1 Agreed, it is implemented as intended. I am not against the intention, I just feel it has been widely abused by Senior White Men to further entrench themselves. Associate 1 in IB - Cov
+1 Do you know what the timeline for hearing back is? Intern in IB - Cov
+1 Top 3 BBs are always best in London (RX aside). VP in IB - Cov
+1 Okay? You're 8+ years into your career, you should know by now that can't keep every door open forever. If you want to do the job, go for it.  PE-biz-dev
+1 www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/getting-hate-for-my-lunch#comme… Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+1 Dwight capital  Associate 1 in RE - Comm
+1 Wealthy people would rather have their kid go to Harvard than have a Ferrari or vacation home, which is evident from the fact that many wealthy people send their kid to private school from K-12 ($50,000 * 13 = $1,050,000) Research Associate in AM - FI
+1 Unfortunately can't help but hoping those in Rx can. Love your story and drive, wishing you the best! bddjfj1345
+1 There is nothing wrong with wanting a more laid back career. Ehmerica
+1 Yeah to be fair I think EB analysts should barely have time to read through an entire cold email. Managing Director in IB - Cov
+1 2 - Yes, I also thought the sales-iness was odd! Admissions called me every ~3 weeks for months to ask where I was in my application! And they plan interviews to be 5-10 mins! pbgrxavel
+1 What firm is this Associate 1 in IB - Restr
+1 Few things that will serve you well...the CO tab has great resources...FTI,Alix,A&M,Province,BRG,M3,Ankura,Riveron...a few others that will be good candidates for you. Associate 2 in PE - LBOs