+6 On a serious note would this not help me stand out? Or would recruiters just think I'm retarded 500thousand
+6 Being a bit more realistic, let's say this associate really only has three years of experience. It could be that in the three years buyside, this junior never quite got the grooming needed and is looking for that now. Research Associate in AM - Equities
+6 Is that the Banker or the case processor? Would be funny if they even internationally outsource processing H1Bs  Associate 2 in IB - ECM
+6 WSO David Goggins. “Who’s gonna carry the pitch books and the comps” JPBoregan
+6 This must sound so tuff if you’re a virgin  VP in RE - Comm
+6 Managers the day after layoffs Associate 2 in IB - ECM
+6 All in all, it looks you're in a strong position, all things considered. You've done your two-year IB stint, you have a strong skillset that's marektable, and you have a good basis for what you don't want to do.  FinnesseGod
+6 They will be soon with this rate of layoffs. AI coming for all their jobs Associate 3 in IB - Cov
+6 Translation: "I am an undergrad, I do not know what a CET1 Ratio is, thus I am forced to concede this point." Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+6 I think a more accurate list in 2025 would look like: A+: Sequoia / Sutter Hill / Founders Fund / Thrive / Kleiner Perkins / Index / Greenoaks Director in PE - Growth
+6 BadgersRE Works at The Family Office
+6 I own a small consultancy. Monetizing small consultancies is hard. devildog2067
+6 With our luck he could be the leading candidate to be the next CEO. He can simply distance himself from America’s performance and exaggerate the direct impact he’s had on EMEA and Asia Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+6 Yeah but Lehman wasn’t connected to worlds largest WM Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+6 Like others have said it’s going to be an uphill battle. The demand/supply gap is massive for jobs right now in any industry, especially in CRE. DebtChug
+6 Circling back here for the original commenter / broader WSO community. throw-away-account1
+6 k.milly Associate 2 in IB-M&A
+6 First, in which state are you based? I don’t want to give out too many details on where I am based, but I am in a major city in the northeast. Fred Fredburger
+6 Off the top of my head Wells got some crazy mandates this year. I think Lincolns honestly doing really well as well. Curious to know how Deutsche is going they really invested heavily into their IBD. Gold-ManSacks
+6 Brokerage is easier for the avg person than being an investor. Being the BEST at either is the same proposition: you need to sharp and dedicated.  Principal in RE - Comm
+6 After that little post-Covid blip, a lot of us heard survive to '25, some other expression through 26, and now we're looking at '28 as a return to normalcy period. Ozymandia
+6 Let’s be honest here buddy If you didn’t go to UCC / Appleby / Crescent You’re better off going to Ivey, where it’s more meritocratic Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+6 “Lucky punch thrower” to describe a guy whose professional record is 50-0 w/ 27 KO’s is as “illiterate” as it gets. Sonny LoSpecchio
+6 What in the Lord’s name are you doing sir. Works at Janus Henderson Global Investors
+6 You're right to be confused.  Descriptions change/blend due to marketing and that has changed over time.  Anything with PC/hybrid etc in the name is typically par lending focused. CPDDOUGH
+6 If he sent screenshots of the frat guys, that would be none of these. Civil lawsuits would be very hard as again this would be factual information that was sent and received Prospect in IB-M&A
+6 I understand this for sure. I've mostly given up trying to disconnect since it's not really possible (you'll always be thinking about work to some degree) but I try to keep a few things in mind: Quant in PropTrad
+6 NGL - this is pretty damn good work but it’s completely off base in the recommendations because it doesn’t understand a) the specific weaknesses in NFE’s various contractual arrangements and b) how Wes Edens actually think Managing Director in IB-M&A
+6 If you gotta ask about frats on WSO not sure how good your chances are at getting a bid Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+6 shut up intern  Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+6 Exactly this person is literally pretending to be an analyst to promote CIE this is ridiculous lol renegade1
+6 Book has factor limits and equally likely to be long or short a factor at any point in time.  PM in HF - Other
+6 Intern in IB - Gen
+5 The OP asked what makes certain firms successful in the long term. Unfortunately any individual PM no matter how capable isn’t alone going to determine long term success for a large fund. Partner in PE - LBOs
+5 I don’t have any secret sauce on building those relationships. Work hard, ask questions, own up to mistakes and learn from them. If you build trust with your boss, they will be much more willing to help / mentor you. M_As_In_Mancy
+5 I think what you’re disregarding is that the people designing this process ARE explicitly aware of what they are controlling for. Wish_I_HadTrustFund
+5 Oh no my lobster's too buttery and my steak's too juicy. SOFT2theMoon
+5 Absolutely agree with the points made on the fundamentals of the job. I think of it like a 'gameplay loop'. The job of an investor is so different from an advisor / salesman in IB. johnny-mnemonic
+5 You're welcome, I forgot to mention it but I think that was an incredible question. I had meant to write out my thoughts on that subject for a while.  Deal Team Six
+5 They hired foreigners first in the 2023 class and pushed Americans into 2024 starts. If that doesn’t tell you that UBS hates all Americans than nothing will Associate 3 in IB - Gen
+5 I’d take the former. Those extra 20 hours when you’re already that stretched thin is not worth the extra $40k. Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+5 Grass is always greener kareyez
+5 This forum makes it seem like rising in high finance or corporate America in general is easy. But the truth is the majority of people on this site are under 30 and barely know what’s going on. Smoke Frog
+5 Ignore title. 36 y/o. Bit of a weird path. Undergrad -> JD -> 7 yrs Banking -> 2 yrs PE -> 2 yrs Startup Cofounder. Total NW: $725k gross ($625k net of tax burden on unrealized gains) Principal in PE - Other
+5 Fp&a is a path to 6-8m net worth? Not by a mile. Nor is a VC associate seat. Not by a mile. Principal in PE - LBOs
+5 It’s not blatantly racism to point out that the average immigrant from Africa or Latin America is likely going to be a $0.5-$1.0M drain to taxpayer money over the course of their life here. Associate 1 in IB - Cov
+5 This thread is just people flexing.  Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
+5 she well on my far until I go  Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+5 I’m not a huge fan of real estate, at least not real estate in a mature market like NYC. The 500 index is much better bang for your buck imo, given that type of investing requests zero work. Smoke Frog
+5 Sorry to hear that brother, but good on you for doing so. It's the right thing. Ralph Lauren
+5 Backoffice_BossThe whole "I know a guy" thingSure yea CRE
+5 Not only are you underpaid, but if this is an accurate representation of your contributions, you should have a significant amount of leverage. Principal in PE - Other
+5 lmao I’ll believe it when I see it  Associate 1 in IB - Cov
+5 It’s like I tell all the juniors at work, nyc is literally the best place on the planet to find a quality girl. I cannot think of a better place with such a concentration of rich and hot girls. Smoke Frog
+5 My niece, who is in high school, tells me that the recruiting prep now starts in high school. FlyingBoat
+5 I moved from PE into restructuring consulting, and the comment above captures the core reasons well. Associate 2 in PE - Other
+5 It isn’t madness, H1B visas are productive for employment and economic growth. The US economy was never a zero sums game. Gideon Rose
+5 Your pay is hysterically bad and I'm confused why you took that offer / couldn't manage to get a better package amongst other offers. Associate 1 in IB-M&A
+5 Anything can be self-studied but there are certain foundations that are helpful to have (the theory behind probability distributions and optimization goes a long away for QR) along with general mathematical literacy and th PM in HF - Other
+5 Advised Mexican cartel merge with Colombian peso gang. Opex synergies include elimination of intermediaries together with better sales prospects in Miami VP in IB - Cov
+5 Club soda with lime. You’re welcome JetsTanksSubmarine
+5 1-2 analysts per group getting UMM exits seems pretty aggressive given most of the groups are 5-8 analysts. Is it true that you can get legit UMM+ outcomes from even the weak groups like M&A or M&T? Intern in IB - Gen
+5 Having AI write your posts is embarrassing Summer Associate in Risk Mnmgt
+5 The “path” is simply to find your niche and pursue what you’re good at. You have generalized these paths by extremely broad categories and no one can make the right conclusion for what’s good for you but yourself. wolf_at_the_door
+5 None of these seniors value any of the junior talent. They see you all as more whiney and needy AI bots, or like 10% better than just having India do everything Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+5 While this case is not actually an example of Trump administration, as it was mostly aid programs created by the state of Minnesota, it does bring up an interesting case and point. usernameladiesman217
+5 I am a junior asw so take with a pinch of salt. Investing at the end of the day becomes pattern recognition and massive exposure is the simplest way to get better at it. PMatStrattonOakmont
+5 The actual reason was because in the wake of covid, the USDA was no longer required to come in person to check for fraud, for obvious reasons of not wanting to spread covid. usernameladiesman217
+5 Wow no offense OP but your cluelessness is legitimately baffling. Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+5 Man what a great distraction from the Epstein files.  IsItREPE
+5 Best investing seat last five years not correlated (and often inversely correlated) to best next 5-10 years midwest_analyst
+5 Jesus bro no wonder you didn’t get the return- you sound insufferable Analyst 1 in IB - ECM
+5 What should we expect for analyst bonuses if top-bucket? Understand analyst bonuses last year were around street for the large banks, but the bank is doing worse this year. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+5 What is the case for the top groups? Am not joining one of the weaker groups. Is it fair to say 2-3 would get UMM+ from top groups? Intern in IB - Gen
+5 They’re definitely a toss up at the analyst level because of the better BofA perks, but I agree Citi is in a much better place institutionally and is a more well-run bank at the moment. VP in IB - Gen
+5 these numbers r lowkey crazy, makes PE seem less attractive lowkey… Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+5 Have very little to add to the already good comments in this thread. The one thing I will add is that I think part of my edge came from being obsessed with markets for 5-10 years before I got a job. MacroJunkie
+5 Why would you want to recruit fig at all Prospect in IB-M&A
+5 Ah this is really bad. MBA stub ASO gets $60k at other places. Analyst 2 in IB - Restr
+5 I used to work in Houston IB then I transferred to NYC for the same reasons OP listed. I now deeply regret it. I make less money in NYC after taxes and I live like a peasant. Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+5 MoneyEUMonkey odog @digitalimmortality.com
+5 Regardless of level I heard everyone got $35k-$100k regardless of level and performance Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+5 It's a terrible market but don't give up. I got an IB FT offer a few weeks ago. Had a similar situation where I had good experiences but didn't get return due to something largely out of my control. msb01
+5 Are these numbers being posted real? They are worse than anything Ive ever seen Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+5 Congrats on being a useless dumb consultant. Hope Claude can replace you soon Associate 1 in PE - Other
+5 So I don't fully agree with this statement but I've lately been worried that my job was turning me into a "boring" person because I don't really have much else going on outside of it - the free time I do have is spent keep Balance.of.Payments
+5 Do you have a non-compete in addition to the clawback? overandout
+5 What type of specific feedback are you looking for? I think your initial plan is fine. Your undergrad gpa plus your military service should get you into a decent business school if you get a solid GMAT score. Smoke Frog
+5 Make sure you know M&A balance sheet adjustments (specifically goodwill and noncontrolling interests), and reverse LBOs (they give you a bunch variables including MoM/IRR and ask you to solve for the starting equity ch Prospect in IB-M&A
+5 What does their capital/fundraising look like? CRE Credit
+5 Aligning yourself with senior folks that are willing to be vocal about your performance + getting lucky on important / longer term staffings that require team continuity. Investment Analyst in HF - EquityHedge
+5 I think most of this is spot on. Ozymandia
+5 A, you autistic little sperg fucktwitter
+5 Hours quite tough, incl. screening new opps + very detailed monitoring / AM of current book. Expect to work most weekends - GS old school types. Analyst 3+ in PE - Other
+5 I’d start looking, main reasoning is I think that one MD passed the buck onto you. If that continues it could get bad. Ehmerica
+5 Ex-WF but to provide color privatecredit1
+5 You do all realize that if it’s 2025 exits who almost exclusively recruited in 2023, and this represents both UBS and Credit Suisse analysts classes. We’re talking 120-150 people in this pool of analysts. Associate 3 in IB - Cov
+5 Be careful with word choice in describing Option 3. When it's called "betting on yourself" it sounds really great. I can imagine the ghost of Steve Jobs standing next to you, telling you it's the only choice. Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas
+5 I originally wrote some random jokes here but I’ll “sober” up and write in seriousness Hags28
+5 I mean EU students get SA in London all the time and there is no specific visa for them. I'm not 100% sure what visa they use. So you can technically use YMS but I don't think you have to... nutmegger189