+1 maybe get off wso and get in the gym bro. i made it work on apps and irl when i lived in fing ohio with no money and i made it work in t1 cities with bread. deelcheef
+1 It's a pretty well known inside joke that if you ask an MD how they got into banking they will tell you about a time some GS partner liked their attitude in a pub and offered them a job on a spot or something equally ridic nutmegger189
+1 I don’t know how there isn’t already an investigation into all this VP in IB - Gen
+1 You need to take your hedge fund money and buy a very expensive car. Believe that goes far in tertiary cities.  Teller in IB - Cov
+1 Nothing yet. Apparently someone has gotten an offer. RQ
+1 OP here - not sure if those commenting are just ignorant or dumb, but I’m a white guy with no connections to finance whatsoever that worked hard to get my IB role. I’m as far from DEI as you get. Prospect in IB - Gen
+1 Thank you so much for the detailed answer. I’m asking because I’m in a somewhat similar position. Intern in IB-M&A
+1 Infra, O&G Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
+1 Congrats on UBS! VP in IB - Cov
+1 Maybe consider just going into quantitative finance. That said I remember Moelis having a quant MD as part of their risk advisory / mortgage finance / FIG team back in the 2010s. Hags28
+1 FWIW maybe not exactly comparable but received outreach from Piper about a full time IB associate role in medtech/biopharma. Just recruiter screen scheduled for this week. Good luck all 🙂👍🏼 Hags28
+1 Idk enough about your situation but I did a semester abroad at UCL and liked it. I hope that helps even a little bit. Cheers. Good luck  Hags28
+1 You are reading way too much about comp packages for senior analysts if you’re asking this question seriously. Like what, you don’t even have a PM, why would there be a make-whole in your package lol. Benson Says
+1 This is wso bro not Reddit/Tiktok Analyst0910
+1 I will stick to basic arithmetic thank you Associate 1 in Acct - Other
+1 Hey this is genuinely great tysm!! Want to follow up: I keep getting struck out of EBs but consistently interview for BBs and MMs, so I want to ask if your points above also carry over the same to these firms? Prospect in IB - Gen
+1 Network your ass off. Any connection - uni, school, former colleague, whatever - is fair game. You basically now have to approach things like an American looking to break in would have to. VP in IB - Cov
+1 LOL. Go to Jane Street davani1420
+1 Big pet peeve of mine when I hear someone from the Midwest that mispronounces their own last name. Pierogi Equities
+1 Thank you and appreciate the feedback. My main reason is just NYC/Chi culture + have lived in Westchester my whole life. Prospect in IB - Gen
+1 Agreed. Being a BX PortCo right now does not mean that it stays that way. BX is a PE firm after all, and they do eventually exit investments. CRE Credit
+1 Which Ivy? If it's the same one I attended many years ago (ignore the title - I'm an old geezer), I might be able to help... Analyst 3+ in IB - Gen
+1 All I can do is share my experience with them. It basically was like dating/marriage. Hags28
+1 I also have no idea what ATS is CEO in RE - Comm
+1 One angle worth considering, if you haven't. Apply for the UK High Potential Individual visa and the UAE Golden Visa, and expand your recruiting into London and Dubai. Investment Analyst in HF - EquityHedge
+1 readthe10k
+1 I was just in this position. I spent about a year FT in valuations and made the jump to AM. Had the same exact feelings. Analyst 2 in RE - Comm
+1 As a Muslim, the constant forced work with non-modestly behaving “colleagues” and mixed-gender seating is harrowing. That said, entry level opportunities in the US far out number those in the Gulf for now. cbp1213tw
+1 Hows Brexit doing for u? Nigel really advocated for it Gold-ManSacks
+1 This. You need basically anything at this point. ojapar20
+1 Hey, I don't have much advice for you other than the above, but wishing you the best of luck! You're clearly a hard worker and will go far. ojapar20
+1 My friend is in the group and I heard deal flow exist but it is indeed very sweaty… Analyst 3+ in IB - Cov
+1 If anyone’s still checking this thread for UK platform options, pay close attention to FX markups and withdrawal fees. They eat up way more of your yield than basic platform costs if you’re moving larger sums. dean787
+1 When will you guys learn that fundraising is a lagging indicator - they might have raised 90% of the fund 1-2 years ago and closed just now, there is no signal in their close. The true tests are in the upcoming vintages. Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
+1 Many thanks * 10000. This can never be enough, I wish you all the best sir! MoneyEUMonkey
+1 There are a lot of resources out there… starting to look at and understand sell side models for names in your coverage seems like a reasonable first step. adub24
+1 Wall Street got lots of criticism during the GFC for its "party hard" culture, so for reputational reasons banks made sure to cut lots of their entertainment expenses (including where is appropriate to have business meetin GS under Blankfein
+1 Bump kriritjrjj
+1 Would you say you need a particular personality to make it in trading? Prospect in S&T - Other
+1 Dam... ggs. Unfortunate but is what it is RQ
+1 Not accurate anymore but this thread reminded me of this clip from Good Shepherd: readthe10k
+1 Of course. We all like great hangs investmenttbanking
+1 I am adding this comment because I am facing exactly what Americus is describing. Ayoub08
+1 update: i passed the test and completed my internship. went through the trenches but ended up passing a hair test while being a daily za smoker and weekend blow user. would be happy to go into detail on steps i took Intern in IB - Gen
+1 ojapar20A bulk of this game was created during peak woke era. I pray it won't be infected with it. IsItREPE
+1 Preview looked cool. Might pick it up. IsItREPE
+1 The pronunciation thing doesn't make sense to me. Many chinese names are VERY easy to pronounce. For example, growing up I had a friend named Bo Peng, and another named Bo Yang. Super easy to remember and say.  m_1
+1 Economic terms My sample size is small maybe 4 deals but in 3 cases the IS asked us for a term sheet.  Which honestly I found odd and so much work given the competitiveness for deals and funding.  fds
+1 I think it’s important to advocate for them trying things and if you sense they have a natural affinity or talent for something, go all in on it just like a business. monk monkey
+1 See this thread: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/investment-banking/restructuring-anti-climac Associate 1 in IB - Restr
+1 Cannot emphasize enough how bad those groups are to analysts. Truly the worst people. Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+1 is it more competitive than the academy? if they didn’t take me for the academy then why internship lekdodo
+1 You lose nothing by asking. Would be easiest if already assigned to a group  Managing Director in IB-M&A
+1 Wow, thank you for your reply. In my case, I’m pretty introverted and shy, so I’m worried that could be an obstacle either in trading itself or in some of the entry-level roles that lead into it. Prospect in S&T - Other
+1 These funds all run way lower beta than SP notsospecialsituation
+1 I don't think that disqualifies you at all. I'd say you might fare better in less corporate, "ladder-climbing" environments where networking is key. Quant in PropTrad
+1 I am going through Capital Academy’s full suite now. The Advanced Buy Side Case Study is perhaps the most valuable part of this offering next to the Special Sits module. Mumbles
+1 I will apply rn 🤣 lekdodo
+1 Thank you, that's very reassuring. And as far as routes into trading go, would scheduling probably be the one to watch out for in terms of being more socially demanding? Prospect in S&T - Other
+1 Yes StrategyChimp
+1 Across the last +/- 5 years good friends of mine at each of Farallon/Elliott have been crushing it..would not be surprised if they are near hwm for comp although small ss. Director in PE - Other
+1 Id say put levfin on your resume. And list the deal experience. They don’t mind you just transferred groups and if anything levfin is often more transferable to future roles Barney_Stinson
+1 10000%  Associate 1 in Consulting
+1 I do work in Finance sir. Gold-ManSacks
+1 Should I go to sleep chat? theleanonman
+1 per OCR, apps drop at 2:30 EST AM baboon37
+1 I would advise you to think long term and do the right thing. If referring the client is best for the client and your friend then do it. If it’s good for your employer then do it. Hags28
+1 how is networking for that role even possible recruiting just started villow
+1 I will be honest. Intern in IB - Cov
+1 Started at CS also. RIP. Ignore rank in bio. What a great firm. The right combination of European common sense with work life balance but also with American execution and hustle. Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+1 Try the Canary Wharfian website, most advice here is US-focussed EvitaPhamroq9m
+1 Resonate a lot with the execution point - you don't want to just become a DD robot. Non-PEG work is definitely more valuable as you get more senior at MBB and post-consulting.  Associate 1 in Consulting
+1 Not sure I 100% understand your question but I've seen a lot of peers go into ops/value creation roles as well as investing roles. Associate 1 in Consulting
+1 What goes around comes around... let's not put any negative energy out in the world... there's enough of that... Analyst 1 in PE - Growth
+1 the pay is better and you get promoted every 2-3yrs unlike with research in which you hit a brick wall with shit pay excl covering a decent amount of stocks... Works at JPMorgan
+1 OP, the way you wrote this post gives off burned out / jaded vibes - which people probably pick up in interviews and do not want to be around. First_Lien_Larry
+1 Wearing a hairpiece? Good lord, dude. Just shave your head. Grow a beard. You don’t need gender affirming care.  IsItREPE
+1 Realistically, It will be difficult, but not impossible depending on the firm and your experience. Realistically, the Corp Dev. PeRmAnEnTiNtErN
+1 So committing to a value add multifamily blind pool vehicle where there is no preferred return but cash flow is split 75/25 out of the gate, then 25/75 above a 10 irr?   therightcoast_
+1 Hags28
+1 Got it. I would think you should get the title and bounce after that. Harder to try to get a title upgrade, especially in this market  Associate 3 in Private Credit
+1 We spell our what people need to get comp increases VERY explicitly. m_1
+1 HV out for regular GS internships Intern in S&T - Other
+1 Add UBS Industrials. Two MDs are total robots, zero EQ.  Associate 3 in PE - LBOs
+1 fake_human: Was it a good year for FT recruiting this year? Just curious. JAM JustAnotherMonkey
+1 . Assist. VP in PE - LBOs
+1 Elliott HSD yes but they run extremely low net on the biggest capital base. Farallon returns are not public. Investment Analyst in HF - Other
+1 Freestone grove, citadel spinoff Prospect in IB - Cov
+1 Any work by him in particular? I've been meaning to explore his stuff after a coworker mentioned him. Pierogi Equities
+1 BAP t4rd
+1 Any MD that doesn’t staff me on their deals 😏🤑🤑🤑🤑 Hags28
+1 USC Marshall actually has a really strong pipeline to New York IB, so I would consider it a strong option (minus the location if you prefer New York). maxadamswsmm
+1 Closer to $550 to $650 total comp Associate 3 in IB - Cov
+1 Hags28 Associate 1 in IB - Restr
+1 Bump wuandale33
+1 nah I'm from San Diego, so I just wanted some distance from home. USC is great socially. Genuinely no complaints. costadelmar
+1 well it's natural because this sort of partying is not relevant to the goal of achieving the goal of the client or generating money/dealflow IBoss
+1 It’s a good thing because 99.9% of you will make more putting in SPX than dogshit PA single names HFPM15
+1 Meanwhile, bankers in Hong Kong, Singapore and the GCC can employ live-in foreign domestic helpers for a fraction of ordinary Western childcare costs. Ozymandia
+1 Not a joke. Not sure it’s for me. I have seen the lows of the job psychologically and they are most ugly.  Analyst 1 in IB-M&A