+2 What the heck. Obviously senior people start funds. The point of this post is about associates who don’t make VP Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
+2 10 days is a shitload of time to prepare for S79.  My training class opened our books on a Monday (for our 4-day S79 seminar) and took the S79 exam that Friday. Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas
+2 Are you stupid? You literally have a guy at an UMM firm commenting on on this post explaining it’s not. I’m at a MF and agree completely with what he’s saying. Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
+2 Sorry but don’t think this an edge in the sense that it demonstrates a value that companies want. oil_quant
+2 pjt m&a is a good place. yes deal flow might not be as strong, but it’s still a bank that ppl respect, it's in line with moe/laz. tbh all the ebs are great, idk why ppl on here always split hairs over them. Intern in IB-M&A
+2 So much for #6.. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 You just gotta have that it factor.. if you don’t have it you don’t have it. Good kids are easy to spot a mile away Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+2 There have been a handful Emory swimmers that successfully recruited for finance in the past few years and the results were pretty underwhelming. Analyst 1 in RE - Comm
+2 Congrats on UBS!  Intern in IB - Gen
+2 Some of the other legacy Barclays people that left to UBS in Tech were great to work, so can believe the culture/WLB is mostly good.  Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 IPO markets seem pretty dead right now. Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 lol this is comically wrong 135 base vs 175 base to start is already a 40k bonus and no An3 is getting a beater bonus than an As1 Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 If that were true, the non-DEI analysts would not be picking up the slack left behind by the DEI woman/URMs but in practice, that does occur. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 PWP lol, they're a joke at this point Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 JPM FIG honestly is doing better at this point. All that's left of GS FIG is their legacy (+ it is filled with Asian beckies for some reason) Exits wise, you'll be fine from both Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 I can speak for private credit / direct lending shops - underwriting is part of the investment team and absolutely “front office.” The investment team may be split into originators (generally only at senior level, manage P VP in PE - LBOs
+2 I have better-than-average knowledge of senior housing, this guy knows WTF he's talking about.  asmith_1
+2 How is DEI limited to bottom buckets when for every promotion round we have 50% gender split even though we have far more male candidates? Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+2 I fear this kid cannot be helped. I clicked on his profile and seems like he's been asking this on every thread despite everyone in the industry telling him it doesn't matter. Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 Yeah that’s very helpful. I’m still in high school so I have time to think about it but if I have to decide now, I will choose Bocconi without doubt. Sasoskii
+2 You’d have to go big brother and try measure every waking moment of activity on company owned devices which not only sounds unreasonable, likely to get a lot of false signals and false security based off those signals. liquidiot
+2 As someone who was at Vista and recently left, this is a bit of an overreaction. Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 Anonymous Monkey: It’s IB. It’s normal that people leave after couple of years. Are you talking from 1st hand experience? Intern in PE - LBOs
+2 I always knew this forum was absolutely doomed with hardos and genuine WEIRD PEOPLE but holy shit posts like this and a couple comments agreeing have solidified that for me so hard Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 It’s just the same song and dance over and over and is very disruptive to lifestyle. Associate 2 in IB-M&A
+2 It was a performance-related decision. My workload ended up being concentrated with one partner for the majority of my time there, so my evaluation was heavily weighted toward that single experience. Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 My view, take the IB job. The key is learning how to capitalize deals with the use of debt and all the different mechanics that go into using debt to finance the deal. palm_beach_ll
+2 “Respond to comment no sound like ai” Prospect in IB-M&A
+2 Need to keep what I get this year in cash unfortunately. First of all a big chunk is deferred; what I do get immediately in cash the government takes almost half of immediately.  Balance.of.Payments
+2 I went from another similar ethnicity 5’8 185 to 150 using glp as well. I pigged out post SA senior year and it carried over my first analystyear before making a change this may. Analyst 2 in IB - Restr
+2 Are you trying to be a streamer? You don't need an obnoxiously loud keyboard with rainbow RGB lights. CRE
+2 Very well written — reads a bit like Matt Levine’s Money Stuff. Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 They’re also notoriously shit as homebuilders, cutting every corner that they can in their newbuilds, so I would be careful learning how to deliver quality apartments from these guys.  Developer in RE - Comm
+2 Do the internship and work like you want the FT offer - no matter what you want to do for FT, having a return offer is going to put you in a position that's 10x better than not having the return offer. Manager in CorpStrat
+2 If you take the job add, transpose it to GPT and tell it to give you the top key words of the role, then you get a list. GS under Blankfein
+2 It’s not about not wanting to work hard, it’s about not wanting to drop dead.  weezyfbaby
+2 Too many extreme one-sided takes – it will not be in the same place in 3 years from now lmao. Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
+2 I'm a native-born U.S. citizen, just speaking the truth. America has never been "coherent"; you're almost certainly a mutt of dozens of different European ethnicities. Try again Intern in Consulting
+2 You also need to just be able to flat out sell (regardless of product, service, market). Business is about revenue and revenue is about selling. They don't buy. You sell. rickle
+2 It was very hard to get a finance role for the 2027 cycle as an international this last year (almost no one got it that I know). It will be very difficult also from a school that's not as finance heavy (UIUC).  Prospect in IB-M&A
+2 Usually policy is candidate should coffee chat 1-2 ppl that both sign off / give referrals; most ppl will get passed to a second person (unless u have exceptional chat w sr person). Intern in IB-M&A
+2 Could be younger culture in general. A lot of Gen Z is socially stunted due to COVID + phone addiction. Shit I'm a zillenial and I'm easily addicted to Reddit, Insta, YouTube, and Pinterest. Matchabee
+2 Think you need to be a little more realistic about what your options are here. Associate 3 in IB-M&A
+2 The WLB is a bit better, but it’s still demanding.  VP in PE - Other
+2 Found the VP investmenttbanking
+2 Got GIG -- thoughts? Bluepancakes123
+2 There is no justification for attacking someone’s dignity. Such behavior is often a way of offloading personal frustration onto an easy target (i.e. ResilientNomad
+2 I am on the board of one of the economic development entities for my city. This is a glorified way of saying, in addition to my own real estate investing, I have significant insight into real estate market for a t-3 city. jl12
+2 This is a good thing. Choe wasn’t terrible but I’ve known Brandon White for a long time and he’s very good. They’ll have to strategically pivot to raise a bigger fund but I think they’ll get there. Investment Analyst in HF - Event
+2 I work at Wells. If you know you wanna be in CRE for a while, I’d take either RESCM or PM Secured. Associate 3 in RE - Comm
+2 Really? U put them above Bocconi, Imperial and/or HEC which are also on the list? AnonymousBanker18
+2 Basically an LLM arms race CEO in PropTrad
+2 Hello and thank you for the thoughtful response.  I agree MBA seems like a great option and yes, it will be paid for with post 911 and yellow ribbon, hopefully. USNtoMBAtoUndecided
+2 This is easy - UNC sends SO many kids into IB/PE/Other finance. You have to be a top 50-60 kid there but you can be if you join one of the best funds/clubs your first semester. Prospect in IB-M&A
+2 I took some more time to digest. For me, it comes down to this: if you manage your time well in IB, you can begin to carve out some semblance of WLB with seniority. marlin_pardon2
+2 Give it a year at least KageSelly
+2 with your height I wouldn't even bother trying to get lean - girls won't care anyway. money is your way to pussy (and nothing's wrong with that - everybody should be playing their strengths). Kevin25
+2 Honestly a good choice for your life and happiness overall given you are helping people. That’s the most important thing at the end of the day, and any company worth their weight in shit would see that. OverleveragedUnderappreciated
+2 In theory sure, but not right now. Operating Expenses are far surpassing revenue growth. Our payroll, insurance, property tax, are significantly higher % wise than its ever been. VP in RE - Comm
+2 Recently lateralled - easiest for most to go as an internal transfer (this tends to make the move happen sooner - can be AN2 or most commonly on ASO promotion) and this typically won't be on an E3 if internal. Associate 1 in IB-M&A
+2 If you are in a deal for 5+ years and are currently underwater or near your basis, your promote is long gone and it's not coming back. larry david
+2 Not sure if helpful at all but I also self removed myself from processes with a couple of these AI wrapper firms - as a ton of people outlined above, I'm on the wave of the LLM's catching up with enough data / workflows an MnIGuy
+2 Definitely significantly weaker versus the BBs / EBs but probably slightly better than the other MMs. Some sectors / geographies (e.g. Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+2 NoEquityResearchFunny that this new post immediately follows new post, "Does doing weed in uni immediately ruin your career" Isaiah_53_5 💎🙌💎🙌💎
+2 Yes your firm is well ahead and deep down in the AI slop. Congratulations! Can´t wait for the singularity when I don't have to read such crap anymore. JPClaude
+2 I don't know man. It's obvious that it's gonna change the team structure probably with smaller analyst classes but making predictions about how there's gonna be no analysts/assocs in 1 year is also kinda optimistic. JPClaude
+2 It's more all of the above, rather than none of the above. Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas
+2 Totally fair—if internal moves are rare but possible, then it’s all about positioning yourself as someone PMs want on their team. DerivativesRiskEducation
+2 Margin Call by far ! delia.kelly21
+2 Corporate access  Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+2 lol the 95% of the content of CIMs are now generated with AI. Can’t imagine not doing that Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 I’m a junior but my perspective since I got my SA offer was to get in the best shape of my life. greaterworld223
+2 You can’t even get pretty much any finance jobs in Australia if you’re not Aussie/PR holders or from New Zealand so don’t ever bother thinking about that lol brtfedd1312
+2 I am trying to go to a part time quant program at Columbia that has a ton of professors who are ex HF/trading, and I'm hoping this would tool me up on the risk taking/PnL end, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to ma Analyst 2 in S&T - FI
+2 Modeling is an overrated skill. Your job is to oversee valuation and not execute it. VP in IB - Cov
+2 If you had some metric of impressive feats etc. I may have wanted to lend a hand. instead this post comes off as entitled and frankly deserved.  Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+2 if you're not gonna have a life, at least find a wife Prospect in IB - Gen
+2 If I were in your shoes, I’d work both fronts at once. Internally, build trust with PMs by offering trade color or flow insights and asking for feedback. DerivativesRiskEducation
+2 +1 that group is swarmed with Asian hello kitties Intern in IB - Cov
+2 Damn. This was a while ago but my brother took Drexel over Penn State. Jokes on him haha Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+2 All you minions bow down to Sultan Mo Laghari  Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+2 Bit of a mixed bag. In a average situation, 60-65 hours is what I've been averaging. Associate 1 in Consulting
+2 CHI group has awesome culture and the juniors there work on cooler deals than NYC despite being cross-staffed. That said, as mentioned above, overall junior retention is heinous. Prospect in IB - Gen
+2 Not in MF, but in sunbelt for deal size of >$50M mixed use. Deals are happening but slow for reasons below. CREbruhh
+2 Once again, spreading misinformation. For NY M&A, no Summer Internship or Full-Time offer has been pulled. Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
+2 Once again, Congrats on UBS! Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 Capital Markets at a BB bluecollarfinanceguy
+2 Probably not, I feel the ratings agencies generally aren’t viewed as being great for that sort of training. Take a look at any of the big mutual fund complexes’ websites and see where the PMs and analysts were beforehand. guyfromct
+2 SAT score doesn't really matter for applications.  I have seen people their SAT Score/ACT score on it but only beacuse they got a 1600/36 on it and it was lowkey a flex. I would put that on there as well. Substack_Guy
+2 100+ is the norm, and no. Have seen M&A people cry in the bathroom and whenever you see them in the floor, they always look very dead. Good luck to you! Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 bump monkey210932
+2 Let me know if you find any. Chelsea Piers is the only place I know of and it’s far to get to all the time. ___bustedcovenant
+2 Surprised nobody mentioned Mad Men - I've heard it mentioned alongside Sopranos and The Wire as one of the greatest shows.  Still worth a watch these days? Soros_
+2 From my understanding, it’s a great group relative to the rest of the street. It’s MS so floor is high and you will get exposure to great deals. I have heard the work is very coverage based and less on the model side. Incoming Analyst in IB - Gen
+2 This guy's spitting. Way too specific  Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 A lot of them did not go to good undergraduate schools and did not have desirable careers pre-MBA. The best MBA associates who were not bankers often were big four accountants or consultants. maestro_
+2 Gonna pick stern, I am confident going in and it seems to do better at the top end. Plus NYC appeals to me more than Ithaca  Intern in IB-M&A
+2 screw you lmao - these ai models are buns  Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 I am in IR myself - I'd love to see more well informed threads on WSO - compensation masters would also be great. Let's stick together! JustAnotherWorkingClassGuy
+2 I am British but have a lot of Spanish/Italian colleagues so can give some insight at a top BB. Analyst 1 in IB-M&A