+2 i feel the point on avoiding baking but for someone who doesn’t want to code/be a SWE what are the other top $$$ outcomes? Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 I have coworkers who were previously at both shops. Each have their upsides and downsides. I would probably pick Welltower over Ventas if given offers from both. Porschephile
+2 I was between a MF and a smallish GP and took the GP. I’ve been loving it and the hours are only 50-55. Comp is lower but think I can have more upside on long term. Associate 3 in RE - Comm
+2 Challenging to jump directly to VC without finance/banking experience or accounting knowledge Principal in PE - Other
+2 We might have very similar backgrounds. Singaporean here, did 2y of army, did polytechnic (so 1y behind), did NUS for 1 year, before redoing my undergrad in the UK (so 3y, total of 4y spent at undergrad level). olamiemie
+2 Dude, to be honest, your comments on this thread are coming across like some former intern who didn’t get a return offer and is now really salty because they ended up at Wedbush or HC Wainwright. Associate 2 in IB - Cov
+2 For banks that have a team specifically for your school, you NEED to talk to them. Unless you have a referral from an MD or sometimes banks have a system where a referral from anyone is enough for a HireVue. Prospect in IB-M&A
+2 Bath is considered an upper semi-target university—comparable to Durham, Bristol, and perhaps King’s—whereas Warwick is generally regarded as one of the six fully target universities for top firms, so I'd say prospects are Lorderic
+2 I think you are being far too idealistic. Developer in RE - Comm
+2 Now all that women is doing is posting tik toks about her boyfriend and being in la. She went to harvard  and ended up at bofa no mfpe. and now is doing tik tok. A Great reason to go to harvard.  Analyst 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 Practice modeling by going through old model files (ask your second year analysts or experienced associates to send you some good ones) and practice building some of them from scratch. Works at Goldman Sachs
+2 If you wanted to really lean into the “no CLO / exclusively focused on distressed debt”, the above list (which I think is quite good) can actually be whittled down even further: - Redwood - Mudrick Prospect in IB-M&A
+2 Naw i went to a public school. I know of alot of nepo from loomis whoooo
+2 Fwiw not all PE firms are like this. Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 This arc hit close to home. F UBS Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 The future…has never been bleaker. Hoping to quit by the summer. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 I know lakaka is the expert here (he might respond) so just going to share my 2c. Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
+2 If you can maintain your GPA (and sanity) while doing both, I think it's additive and differentiated for PE recruiting. SaaSChimp
+2 Sounds good. I'm thinking blazer, no tie and dark loafers. Would you recomend suit pants or khaki slacks or does it not really matter?  bananajoe47
+2 I mean if you can afford it, It will definitely help you. Many people you meet not only there, but in the city, will pay dividends in the future. Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
+2 Ok, so this is a great question and show's you're being thoughtful.  I would be more amped for you if the PM had a good solid track. madmax
+2 So much for #6.. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 Lots of BS I said in interviews, but in reality, I think mainly 2 parts: 1) more realistic when thinking about strategic exits (what corporates care about, how to tell the story, what impacts their decision making, how ear 12monkeyz
+2 My take as a recent MBA grad - In this economy and that pedigree, do not do an MBA. It only makes sense nowadays if you want to make a drastic career pivot. And you don't fall in that boat. Business School in CorpStrat
+2 Do you really think the only route is MMs? Even SMs with decade+ tenure, nichier and more illiquid strategies (ex: stressed credit, private crossovers, etc.), MSD+ $B AUM and high ratio of AUM:IP? Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
+2 Disagree. PE recruiting in this market is bad enough as is. Combined with no US experience and needing sponsorship, chances of making it is slim. Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 if you can't type out GPA without making an error you are cooked mgw19
+2 The problem is ultimately that the HF commodities industry and PE commodities industries look at things very differently. For HFs, it's all about the spread. usernameladiesman217
+2 idk but i fucking hated it. hope to renege for a better offer Analyst 1 in HF - EquityHedge
+2 Why do you have to be conservative to be smart in credit? Doesn't take a branniac to kill a deal, anybody can do that. Analyst 1 in RE - Comm
+2 Think you'd be a great candidate for a 1 year real estate masters (ie MIT, Harvard, Columbia, USC, Berkeley) Developer in RE - Comm
+2 Genuinely, why would you want to go there? Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
+2 you're the analyst on this coverage. you're closer to the underlying detail than almost anyone else in the room, and running the names is your job. OFFERGOBLIN
+2 It’s absolute shite and if you don’t know someone your resume is going in the trash unless you have a very impressive resume. Associate 1 in RE - Comm
+2 Second this, unfortunately know someone who was one of those idiots who joined and cannot seem to get any other opportunities even with the experience they have gained there. Summer Associate in PE - Other
+2 a no usually builds slowly. one team quietly stops asking for you first, so you stop getting staffed on stuff worth mentioning, and a few weeks of that means there's nothing left in your file to defend you. OFFERGOBLIN
+2 I think S2 going into industrial is also another bad idea. Ozymandia
+2 Oaktree is definitely not what it used to be especially post the Brookfield acquisition. Cannot comment much from limited work experience with them. First_Lien_Larry
+2 for an internal move, most of the interview is already decided before you walk into the room. OFFERGOBLIN
+2 How many women do you know that aren’t also vanilla? Like I don’t think there are more interesting women than men in the world.  Works at Citigroup
+2 From where you're at, how over/under stated are the fears about AI and consulting? Should juniors entering consulting be afraid of the future of the industry? raptorsamd25
+2 Historically yours to lose. This year was apparently a little harsher than usual Associate 1 in IB - Gen
+2 This is a super validating thread. I am losing my mind. I had a vp debt AM opportunity with a major real estate investor. 6 total interviews. A 1 hour case study which I thought I did pretty well on. Noso101
+2 I am just an An2 in banking, so would love to learn more here and get your thoughts as somoene who has more experience. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 Paid internships through the SRP are structured differently depending on the firm you get placed with. PM in S&T - Comm
+2 There have been a handful Emory swimmers that successfully recruited for finance in the past few years and the results were pretty underwhelming. Analyst 1 in RE - Comm
+2 All-in associate comp is low $200s, VP comp is low to mid $300s. It's still banking at the end of the day, but you can leave the office before 6pm and finish work from home. Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
+2 TLDR: LEAVE. More nuanced answer below Analyst 1 in PE - Growth
+2 This is hilarious that you’re calling it a lower caliber talent pool. pudding
+2 Look at Brett Caughran, FundamentEdge’s library of X posts. There’s a lot of useful content relating to idea generation, modeling, and recruiting MagicMan21
+2 George Men's Watch: Matte Silver Tone CaseGood non standout watch with great looks,  aarsare332
+2 Back when I worked at Citi I was touring an apartment and the leasing agent asked me “so what do you do for work?” “Finance at Citi” “Nice, city of Houston?” “No, Citibank” “Oh….cool” Associate 3 in IB - CB
+2 Congrats on UBS!  Intern in IB - Gen
+2 You’re also interviewing them… imagine working for that guy. mediumrare
+2 At most BBs it is. Keep in mind that for many of them LevFin is still one of the top groups, think about DB or UBS for example but basically any BB focusing on sponsor business. Analyst 3+ in IB-M&A
+2 it’s just not easy to deploy that much capital especially when credit market spreads are this tight. Managing Director in HF - Other
+2 Non issue. I know multiple people with IB/PE who have T1D and you really wouldn't know. People in corporate jobs are generally way chiller about these things than your college peers. Associate 3 in IB-M&A
+2 Yes that is too low, honestly I don’t even know anyone at my ivy who got below a 1500. Your competition will be 1560+ tryhards. Intern in IB - Gen
+2 It will suck to hear this, but apply to what you like. I thought that I would be fine going anywhere, then I visited NYU this summer and hated it (I was going to ED2 it as well). Mr. Disagreeable
+2 Not true re. pay increase. That is analyst 2 pay bobmarley22
+2 Are you still hooking up with that dumbass? Soros_
+2 First time I ever met someone where I just looked at them and thought they smelled like swampy sweaty butt. He just looks dirty and there is just something about him that doesn't look right. QueefLatifah69
+2 I have thought about this several times actually since I went into tech sales.  Here's a few thoughts I have always landed on: 和平
+2 I knew we peaked when the two dumbest guys in my fraternity launched a multi firm in 2017 buying multifamily neither of which had a CRE background.  QueefLatifah69
+2 Thx. The morbid curiosity I have for this industry is like no other.  dcfdestroying
+2 For the record, I have ZERO dog in this fight but I’ve seen your name enough to recognize it. Are you not still in high school? Why are you opining on prestige and placement on WSO? Associate 2 in PE - Other
+2 i think bristol is better regarded in its law programs than economics. i also dont see that many bristol graduates going into IB while there are more prospective bath graduates which have gone for example. spiff
+2 Just put the fries in the bag buddy Partner in IB - Gen
+2 why are you throwing every single post into chatgpt and asking for a response Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
+2 You can learn relevant skills at any bank (even crappy ones). This is coming from someone who went from a pitch and ditch shop as an MBA associate to a PJT/MOE/LAZ/PWP as a Sr Associate.  Associate 1 in IB - Cov
+2 Agree with the first point, but actually think there is a pretty low likelihood of finding a VC gig after Sr. Asso / VP, the industry is too small and there is no reason to hire someone from PE v. Investment Analyst in HF - Other
+2 Recent grad: went to one, could've gone to either. With prior PE experience, HBS or GSB doesn't matter in terms of job impact (short-term or long-term). Analyst 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 erm you are about an entire year early mate. SA 26 is currently still open. SA27 opens August 2026 anonf0fty
+2 Here’s a natural, human-style comment you can post: This is a really good set of questions — I was in a similar position not too long ago and had the same confusion. liamcarter86000
+2 My PM has been underperforming in my market for the past 2 years now. I’ve been covering the market for the past year. The previous analyst under him left due to anxiety and was underperforming as well. chimpychimp123
+2 pbandjpartners odog @digitalimmortality.com
+2 What do you make now and what is VP comp at your firm? Likewise, how long have you been an associate and why do you think you will not get the promotion? CRE
+2 Going to give you one clear examples of each that come to mind so it's very clear. Growing UMM: Arcline , New Fund : 26North, Flat to slightly growing UMM : THL, declining UMM: Providence. Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
+2 Have seen the same, 90-100% have been fired or "pushed out" in my personal circle / folks I've heard of Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
+2 Have done both directions. You definitely can make the move but be prepared to start as a first year analyst. stephen4056
+2 I have heard that culturally it can be a challenging place to work. That said, its Tishman, being an analyst/associate there for a few years will open up many doors. ThatGuyBalls
+2 Related Side Point: WSOstudent51235
+2 Hey man, reality is you're going to face difficult personalities and conflict all through your career. Learning to deal with these is part of your learning and journey.  Rabbit
+2 So essentially either Industrail or TMT Crib22
+2 Did they offer any clarification as to whether this change is permanent or temporary? Investment Analyst in HF - Event
+2 Pretty brutal place. Basically have an open search going at all times. Avoid johnsmith84
+2 You can take it face-value or bring your own prejudices and projections. Honestly, merely a data point for me but I do have to empathize with every data point to some degree and treat them without a bias of the mind. pbandjpartners
+2 I’d say Eng isn’t rocket science… but in some cases it really is haha. Despite how hard engineering kids try to make it out to be, if you FOCUS you will be fine. Prospect in IB-M&A
+2 Which minority is DEI benefitting? The prime freeloaders are women, in particular, white.  Associate 1 in IB - Cov
+2 I think it depends what you're trying to recover to. Are you optimizing for money, lack of regret, different experiences, time with family etc?   kuf135
+2 Know someone who worked there - can't say more to not dox as only a few have left. You mean strategic equity not regular secondaries. Associates do get carry (and charge 2/20), so not below market pay. Principal in PE - LBOs
+2 Damn. I just know this guys a straight stud carolina_tarheel
+2 I'm having the same experience. There is a huge gulf between showing interest in allocating versus having the money actually show up, and going from the former to the latter can take years. cp5670
+2 Am i the only one that thinks it's weird this PM is learning how to trade / model stocks in subsectors he's supposed to know from a college grad? bleep
+2 Some modest progress in Tech, mostly some basic ECM wins. Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
+2 Very good point. OP, if you are already thinking like this, odds are it will build as things become more serious and as your responsibilities continue to ramp. zoo84
+2 Agree with the other comment. I haven’t really seen many Chicago roles offering lower than 180k total comp. Analyst 1 in Private Credit
+2 was in BB IB for 3y and then left for strat fin with a stint in VC - to be honest if i were you i d go to a start up / scale up first before starting your own start up if that is what you re going for - this will give you heyNK
+2 JHU -> big fish in small pond which can be an advantage. school leans towards pre med so lack finance/ consulting resources and alumni to coffee chat compared to other schools. bot_banker
+2 If you’re not dead set on IB/PE imo choose Sauder. They still place a good amount into IB if you end up changing your mind. farpavilions