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+104Investment Banking Resume Template - Official WSO CV Example

<img src="" alt="Investment Banking Resume Template - Official WSO CV Example" /> <p><b>Attached to the bottom of this post, you will find the Wall Street Oasis Investment Banking Resume Template...

+94Non-target --> FT Off-Cycle IBD Analyst


So I have been around here for about a year and half now, and have to say thank you to the community. Really learned a lot and got my foot in door based on the advice on these forums. ### The Non-Target School Now for my story, I attended a large (20,000+ students) non-target school. We...

+7730 year-old breaking in

Jack M.T.

I am still not sure if this will add any value or if anyone will find this useful, but I've seen a couple of "Too old to break into IB?" topics lately and I thought I'd share my journey with you. The advice and stories I've read on this forum have helped me maintain my...

+75Key Interview Takeaways - 2nd Year Analyst Perspective


Sitting at my desk here just waiting for things to wind down so thought I’d give back to the community and try my first long form post. I did some interviewing last year but this year I was heavily involved for both <abbr title="summer analyst intern ">SA</abbr> and...

+62Is investment banking full of rich kids?


It seems that to get into investment banking, you must: - apply early - have been to a target school - in order to get into the target school, excel in high school, have money and you must know which schools are targets for investment banking It seems like that in order to tick off all...

+58What is the meaning behind your username?


I'll start. Mine is more or less James Franco, but backwards. Woah, genius. I know. It took me a while to come up with this one.

+53For those in their 30s+, where in your career are you vs. where you thought you would be in your 20s?


Hey all, so the question is relatively straightforward. Specifically for monkeys in their 30s/40s, where are you in your career right now vs. where you thought you would be in your 20s? This can include job function (ex. moving from <abbr title="investment...

+53Why do we want "success" so bad?


I'm a lot more ambitious than people around me and how I just can't relate with them because they have no aspirations, don't plan long term, etc.(I go to a non-target state school) It got me thinking about why I'm so professionally focused and want to get into a top firm and...

+53Wilbur Ross "Take a Loan" Comments


Heard Wilbur Ross's comments early about government employees going to homeless shelters/food banks as they are on the eve of missing a second paycheck. Just wanted to hear the finance/"Oasis" thoughts on this matter. For me, on one hand, obviously this isn't right,...

+53Gillette Commercial

Pump and Dump

Is this the new age of pussyfying men? I thought most of the commercial was laughable. They even included a TYT clip in

+49Story time: first ever bonus


Hey everyone, The title is pretty self-explanatory, could any of the older guys share their feeling when their first bonus hit their checkings account? Not looking for any numbers, rather the feeling /sense of accomplishment, I'm sure at that time of your career it was something to be...

+48Most badass way to decline an offer?


Just saw on linkedin the following post from an <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> recruiter: "[...]a candidate we had offered a full time grad role to returned his signed offer letter. Issue was that it was his signed offer letter for one of our...



@AndyLouis" You HAVE to stop that annoying pop up on the lower left of screen. I know it's intention is to sell more premium items, but this is an abomination. I'm sure there was time/money spent on developing that, but it needs to go. It can't have value more than...

+41AMA: Top Quant Firms First Year Comp 250k to 400k


First some background, I am a senior and am heading to a quant shop for full time this summer. This past recruiting cycle I received offers from Two Sigma, Citadel, Old Mission, Hudson River Trading, DE Shaw, Jump, and Five Rings Capital for positions ranging from pure dev to pure quant. I study...

+38Worst aspect of finance fashion?


What is the one part of finance fashion that you would like to see gone? Gaudy loafers? Thick pinstripe suits that should be relegated to the 80s?

+38FYRE Documentary


Watched the FYRE documentary over the weekend (the Netflix one, not HULU). Did anyone else see this? Wanted to see what everyone else was thinking. Mainly, it's crazy how people think they take/scam people out of their money, and also, how people get scammed out of their money. Made me...

+37Balancing relationship and career decisions


Fellow monkeys, Online probably isn't the best place to seek for advice but would like an external perspective regardless. Some background: HYP undergrad, and a current 1st year associate at a <abbr title="bulge bracket">BB</abbr> Financial Sponsors Group in...

+37My favorite line from analysts:


Gotta love it when you ask for an analysis and this is the response, “*I didn’t check my work, but here you go*.”

+37Failed to "Break In" at my MBA Program - Next Steps?


I'm currently a first year <abbr title="Masters in Business Administration">MBA</abbr> student at a top finance <abbr title="Masters in Business Administration">MBA</abbr> program (Booth, Wharton, CBS, etc.) and was unsuccessful during the...

+37Howard Schultz (former SBUX CEO) Running in 2020 - Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative


I've personally been looking for a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate for some time (classical liberalism if you will). anti-border wall, anti-deficit, anti-UBI, pro-environment... a couple of faux pas with race while at SBUX, but this sounds promising. what does WSO...

+34Damn these freeloading billionaires!


So Warren called billionaires freeloaders because they paid around 3.2% of their total worth as tax this year while the rest paid 7.2% of their wealth. I think it is f***king stupid that he used % of total worth to say that billionaires are "Freeloaders". But I might be the one...

+33Thrown out halfway through interview


Hey y'all, I am just wondering if this has like happened to anyone else before. I was interviewing at a F500 the other day, and halfway through my 6 mini interviews I was interrupted by the HR head telling me the interview was done and for me to exit the building. It was pretty...

+32The Myth of the "Target School"


<em>**Disclaimer: Semi-target Alumni** </em> Now that training is finishing up at my bank (GS/MS), I wanted to share with <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> how radically different the analyst class make up is compared to the pre-conceived notion of...

+28Investment Banking in London (EMEA) - Strongest Players, League Tables, Salaries, Differences...


Here is a summary of Investment Banking in London. ###Strongest Banks: In Europe, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are traditionally the strongest banks that get the most high profile transactions. They are followed by the 'Elite Twins in London' Lazard and Rothschild and the...

+27Becoming a Principal


For many of us who are still younger on this page, it is an intended goal to become a principal. As I think it would be very helpful, for those who are principals (on the younger side): * How did you get to where you are now? * What route did you take career-wise? * What obstacles did...

+24Market Cycle - Where Are We and What Are You Doing About It?


Markets are cyclical, interest rate cycles are inevitable, and even when history doesn't repeat tends to rhyme. So where are we in the market cycle? I have my own opinions but yours are more interesting. Take a look at the chart and weigh in. What's your strategy at...

+23Private Equity Resume Template - Official WSO CV Example

<h4>Attached to the bottom of this post, you will find the Wall Street Oasis private equity resume template for experienced professionals, used by the WSO paid service and thousands of candidates to successfully land a job in private equity.</h4> For those of you with deal or...

+23Learning Curve as 2nd Year Analyst


I am currently working as an investment banking analyst at a <abbr title="bulge bracket">BB</abbr> and 6 months after starting the job, I feel the learning curve flattens very quickly. I don't learn much from making another pitch book and even in the live deal, I feel...

+22Green New Deal


Don't want to be the guy to put politics on here but thought this would be a good thing to discuss. The resolution presented today says the US can achieve this through a series of steps over the next 10 years, including: * Funding projects and strategies to build the US's...

+21LinkedIn Secrecy - Hedge Funds

John Tuld

Hi all I have perused many profiles who don't list an actual employer - rather they enter "New York based Hedge Fund" for example. Why is this? Do some funds not allow employees to advertise that they work there and if so, why? I would hazard a guess it would be concerns of...

+21Toughest Job in Finance?

Sonny LoSpecchio

TL;DR: who do you think has the toughest job in finance? It can be an individual person past or present, a specific role, or a general section of the industry. I'm Interested in everyone's...

+21The Mechanics of a Mispricing


There have been a few other related posts that I have commented on recently that touched on mispricings and catalysts. I wanted to take some time and write something up that brings it all together in one post. This is something that took me a while to understand and come around to when I was...

+20Anyone worried about getting laid off?


Title says it all. Would be interesting to get a poll going including firm size (bb/<abbr title="middle market">mm</abbr>/etc) and sector.

+192018 WSO Member of the year Nominations


Update Jan 18 - poll is up: Previous winners include: @Lloyd BIankfein", @fear the bulge", @Dingdong08", @DickFuld" , @BlackHat" , and @IlliniProgrammer" Vote...

+19AMA: Non-Target who didn't break into IB


Currently working at an insurance broker (think Marsh/Aon/Willis) Graduated from a state school Ask on

+18AMA: From State School to MM IB Vice President Without an MBA


<abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> Community, I wanted to take the opportunity to leverage my experience to be helpful with an AMA. By way of background, I attended a state school, broke into <abbr title="middle market">MM</abbr>...

+18Investment Banking is Broken


I just left <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> and went entrepreneurship way, so this is a bit of a rant post and a throwaway account, but felt like I need to share. With all do respect to hard-working individuals out there - investment banking industry is broken...

+18Favorite Private Equity Plays?


What are some of your favorites? Always thought [this one]( was fairly clever.

+18Romance my way into PE?


When we talk about hustle, usually that means extreme networking or something. In my case, I recently met a second year associate at mega fund in <abbr title="New York City">NYC</abbr>. I know she's single, and was the first to text me about something random. Quite...

+17Making it in IB cheating all through college?


Whats up guys. So I have this boy of mine who is a shot ass, I kind of respect it. You gotta. He goes to a top school (Think Princeton, Harvard, Yale) but this kid getsabsolutely boozed just all the time, skips classes, gets retarded high, but somehow finesses and has like a GPA of a 3.7. He has...

+17Careers During Economic Downturn


Assuming a recession is coming in the next decade or so, which careers in real estate are the most vulnerable? I'll be entering the real world in the next few years and this might influence my career decisions coming out of undergrad

+16Everything You Could Ever Want to Know About the Property Characteristics of Warehouse/Distribution Buildings

Trunk Yeti

I found myself wanting to have a deeper understanding of the property characteristics of industrial buildings, and really went down the rabbit hole on research. I aggregated a good bit of information for future reference, and thought this may be of interest to others. If you've ever been...

+16Eagles have the best problem in sports (Wentz vs Foles)


Any other Philly Eagles fans on this board? What are your thoughts on this looming Wentz-Foles situation? Personally, I think they should keep both. But after 2019, they need to pay Wentz something like $30mm a year which drastically changes the current cap space from where it is now. My...

+16Most Active / Top Distressed Hedge Funds


2nd year analyst at an <abbr title="elite boutique">EB</abbr> waiting for my next six months to tick by before I start my next job at a distressed hedge fund. Unfortunately in the office on a Sat waiting for comments and was recently watching a Paul Singer video on how he...

+16Has anyone famous ever posted on WSO?


Has anyone famous ever posted on WSO? Who is the most successful person to have posted on WSO? Other than Dick Fuld of course.

+16Houston Investment Banking 2019


Wanted to start a discussion and get some opinions on the current state of banks/boutiques across Oil and Gas/Energy, especially since <abbr title="Deutsche Bank">DB</abbr> recently closed down its Houston office. I've heard that, as far as the <abbr...

+15Let's Talk Recession Risks in Real Estate


Have seen a couple posts on here about fear of recession. Wanted to get some of you guys' thoughts on the greatest signs of foreboding in our industry. Obviously interest risks and sky-high prices in construction and assets can be worrisome, but I wanted to see what other major / minor...

+15How I got my job in a Hedge Fund after graduation


Hi guys, after gaining a lot of knowledge from the many useful topics on <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> I thought it would justified to give back a bit, even with the little experience I have. Maybe how I made my way to a hedge fund job is not replicable by many...

+15what book are you reading right now?


I wanted to get ideas regarding new reading material, since my mind is full of academic books and guides at the moment. I was thinking about No country for old men or something in that regard. Maybe something related to finance, (without it being "educational").

+14On average how much sleep do you get on a weekday?


On an average weekday how much do you sleep? What's your average sleeping and awake times? How much do you need, do you get enough? I try to get 8 and half hours a night following the advice of Matthew Walker but find its hard to fit in. On average I get to sleep at 11 and wake up...

+14Haven't started at McKinsey but was approached...


As the title goes, I will be joining McKinsey soon, but have already been receiving quite a number of messages from head recruiters / headhunters from the venture capital, private equity, technology and corporate space to my LinkedIn inbox, since listing it on my profile. So far I've only...

+13What really interests you?

Nightman Cometh

So the 2019 goals thread that came up a while ago ( kinda got me wondering, if you could teach yourself to do any one thing, or pick up any hobbie, what would it be? What is something that truly interests you that you...

+13BB VP to PE Associate


Monkeys, currently a <abbr title="bulge bracket">BB</abbr> VP and recently landed a <abbr title="private equity">PE</abbr> offer in a <abbr title="middle market">MM</abbr> Fund but for an experienced Associate role - yikes! Got...

+13MBA IB Associate - Sponsorship


Hi folks, Building off a solid discussion in a recent post about UBS's sponsorship for <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr>, I wanted to inquire about the recruiting landscape for <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> Associates at...

+13New grad dealing with money requests from family - How to handle


(PLEASE READ MY LAST COMMENT IN THE THREAD FOR AN UPDATE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR ADVICE!) For the more experienced members on the forum (or just random opinions) How do you handle money requests from family? This is an obvious throwaway account so it can't be traced back to...

+12Earphones - Wireless vs. wired?


For context, I am starting a new job in REPE in Midtown, but have been working for a smaller shop for the last few years where fashion was not as important. I am in the process of buying a new pair of earphones. Do you think it is a fashion faux pas to wear wired headphones in this day and age?

+12AMA 1st year Equity Hedge Fund Analyst straight out of undergrad


Hi guys, I'm a 1st year analyst at a L/s equity hedge fund based in <abbr title="New York">NY</abbr> metropolitan area with around $400mm AUM in a very small office. I got this gig straight out of undergrad (target school, not the best GPA) after 3-4 internships...

+12I Need You, WSO + Its Time To Move - Asia Job Search


Long post ahead (will not apologise). Afternoon Monkeys, Long time lurker, first time poster. It seems the flow of threads has decreased these months, but hopefully many of you will read this / comment (even if just to complain about the length of it). First of, a bit of background. I...

+12Investment Banking Post-MBA pay


Hi, I have applied to B-School for 2019 enrollment. I am interested in either working in management consulting or <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr>. I noticed on that they published 2019 management consulting salaries and <abbr...

+12Non-Target with Great Experience and 4.0 GPA - How do I get people to talk to me when Networking or turn HR's head when I apply?


Hello everyone: I am on the cusp of sending cold emails to various analysts, associates, and VP's at Boutique and Middle Market Investment Banks in specifically the Boston area. I recognize the importance of networking for a non-target; however, I want to make sure before I start...

+12How Prestigious is Tai Lopez?

Sunshine Funshine


+12AMA: F20 Strategy Director at 25 Y/O


Overly caffeinated and procrastinating on some technical writing that needs finishing. My path: * Top 25 Undergrad with concentrations in Management Information Systems and Supply Chain Management with a 3.2 GPA but strong work experience * Four years of grinding through a blue chip...

+12VC startup idea - PE or VC interest? Are these numbers viable?


Seeking ~14mm in <abbr title="venture capital">VC</abbr> capital for a startup (in multiple funding rounds...starting with a 2mm Seed round) Can you guys give me a list of 10-20 <abbr title="venture capital">VC</abbr> firms that I should...

+12How did you find WSO?


Just curious as to how other people came across this site and if and how it changed you. Personally I saw an interview with Jamie Dimon where he said that he hadn't paid attention to <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> in a while, so I decided to see what...

+11The Myth of the 100-Hour Week

Need Rest

Hi all, I am a first-year Analyst at one of those, wants to be a <abbr title="bulge bracket">BB</abbr> but isn’t but also is not quite a <abbr title="middle market">MM</abbr> either firms. Anyway, I have just gotten done my first 5 months and I...

+11$600,000 in student debt - Will The Bubble Pop?


Student loan debt is the second largest amount of debt behind mortgages, according to the Fed. Over the past decade, the amount of student loan debt has almost doubled, along with the average balance of graduating college students. A recent article on CNBC covered the story of a 48-year old...

+11UChicago Now Test Optional

UChicago recently became a test optional school, with no requirement to submit ACT, SAT, or <abbr title="accounts payable">AP</abbr> scores. What do you guys think of this move? UChicago is certainly not the first to go test optional, but it is by far the most selective and...

+11Will 2020 Recruiting (FT and SA) be accelerated or be more relaxed?


Besides Gugg (Heard their 2020 process already kicked off), will other banks be pushing back <abbr title="full time">FT</abbr> and <abbr title="summer analyst intern">SA</abbr> recruiting for the 2020 class?

+11AMA: Mid-career professional to top-bucket VP @ BB BO, thanks WSO!


I've debated writing a short or long post here. I initially chose the long option but it became *way* too long, no one would read it. So, I'll just give the short version: Yes, <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> has a lot of people that want to do the...

+11Is this associate compensation competitive?


A lower <abbr title="middle market">MM</abbr> <abbr title="private equity">PE</abbr> firm offered $160k cash comp, with a vague description of deal participation. This is for a pre-MBA associate in a state with no income tax and fund size ~$500m. Is...

+11What do you get when you take personality tests?


INTP master race. The greatest men in all of history are INTPs. Alan Greenspan, Paul Allen, Larry Page, myself.

+11Internal Transfer Offer Letter 1st Year Financial Analyst


I received an offer letter for a Financial Analyst position yesterday located in the company's corporate office. Currently I am working onsite as a leasing agent. The promotion would be an internal transfer which is rare considering I only have 1 year experience working onsite right out of...

+11Is there a future for non-quant hedge funds?


I'm a banking analyst and I did an internship in <abbr title="private equity">PE</abbr> and I liked it but I think there's more opportunity in the public markets and I want to have autonomy (and high earning potential) earlier in my career than post-MBA <abbr...

+10How do I find decent housing in San Francisco?


Hi everyone! I’m a Senior graduating in May and I’ll be moving out to San Francisco around July from the east coast. Housing is absolutely insane. I’ve come across listings charging insane rent for something the size of a closet. I’ve been trying to find decent places through PadMapper,...

+10What job position has the all around smartest people?


Doctors? Lawyers? Investment bankers? To me it would be venture capitalists. All the venture capitalist I have met are crazy smart

+10Why not slumlord in South Bend Indiana?


Sure, there are assaults on the reg in these neighborhoods and gang activity but some of the houses are $20-25k asking and would prob rent for $600 a month. Why not lever up and rake in the fat stacks? If bought for $25k and put $5k down, then monthly costs are $135 (mortgage, property tax,...

+10Best Investments in a Recession


Since it's almost consensus that we will enter into recession territory in the coming couple of years, what asset classes and/or specific industries should we invest in for capital preservation or even an opportunity to make some gains? If we're not shorting, are there...

+10The WSO Job Board is Now FREE

The WSO Job board is now free for anyone that wants to apply...all anyone has to do is upload a resume and they will be allowed to submit their application. <P> <div class="text-center"> <a class="btn btn-success btn-lg text-center" id="Register...

+10What's Your Anthem?


So I was listening to Future's new album today, and it made me wonder.... what's your anthem? What's the one song that's your go to-- for any given occasion? I'll start-- mines "Stick to the Models" - by Future

+10Be a WSO Social Chair & Help Host WSO Meetups in Your City


We've been getting more events going on lately (Paris, Toronto, Charlotte & DC this month, plus <a href=""><abbr title="New York...

+10Making VP in 4 years?


Is it possible to make VP in 4 years in investment banking? This would be 2 years analyst + 2 years associate, promoted to VP at beginning of 5th year. Many if not most banks now offer analysts early promotion to associate after 2 years, to lure them away from the buy-side. But I haven't...

+10Join the Email & WhatsApp groups for your city


Join the email list for your city to receive updates on future <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> events in your city. When signing up you will also receive a welcome email with a link to join your city's WhatsApp group. We created these WhatsApp groups with...

+10CFA December 2018 Results


How did everyone do? Background: Undergrad - Finance and Economics - State School Grad School - <abbr title="Masters in Finance">MSF</abbr> - Semi Target Investment Analyst @ Asset Management Firm Scores: >70 - Alternative Investments and Derivatives, Ethics,...

+9Is Meridian That Bad?


Obviously, there are stigmas about certain prominent industry players, especially in regards to brokerage shops. I get the prestige associated with certain firms, but for those with legitimate experience/knowledge re: working at or with Meridian: could an analyst there get similar (or even...

+9Financial & Valuation Modeling Boot-Camp

<strong>Financial modeling</strong> is a skill that any investment banking analyst will have to master. Although the majority of investment banks and other financial firms now have formal training programs, many students and prospective finance professionals are choosing to enroll in...

+9Top Chicago IB

w s

Background: Notre Dame sophomore looking into Investment Banking internships/jobs in Chicago. Was wondering if there was a list or if people had suggestions of top <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> firms and groups to start networking with.

+9MSF Class of 2020


Every year I do a post like this on about this date for students seeking admission. Most MSF/MMS program start their application cycle around this time so it is usually helpful. Prior years Q&A are listed...

+9So what's your secret? Medication.


Curious to hear what medication the other reprobates on this site use to maintain their high levels of attainment, day-in, day-out. I myself take two 50mg pills of promethazine before bed: I find it helps me get to sleep and isn't so strong that I'm hugely groggy the next morning...

+9Yale Law and Harvard MBA at the same time


Forget everything about HBS guys having MAD SWAGGER.. [this guy has to take the cake]( for the most prestigious academic background of all time. I can't even imagine what it's like for him to walk around wearing yale, Oxford, Cambridge, and HBS swag...

+9Strange Interview Question I got asked


So I just interviewed with Centerview and got asked: What do you think about german chancellor angela merkel? Is it approbiate to ask these kind of questions?

+9International Student - Chance of getting an IBD internship in London?


Hey guys, I'm a 21-year-old student from mainland EU. Earned my BSc in Business Administration last year at a top-10 European business school (3.8-3.9 GPA, depending on which conversion scale is used). I'm now in a gap year since I wanted to gain work experience prior to enrolling...

+9Suntrust and BB&T merger - now a BB?



+9Talking About Sensitive Personal Issues in Interviews (Sexual Abuse)


Is it ever okay to talk about personal issues in interviews if they are relevant to the question and a big part of who you are? One of my greatest strengths is resilience. This is because I've gone through a lot in the last ten years and the last few in particular. When I was 9 I...

+9Making The Jump - Construction Manager to Development

Dumpster Fire Yuppie

Hi All, I'm coming from a fairly technical background with about 3 years of experience; 1.5 years at a major GC and 1.5 as a CM in CapX for a multifamily and healthcare developer. I'm curious about approximately what % of my work overlaps with most DM scopes would be. I've...

+9Equity/Credit Research Bonus Discussion


There's currently a bonus forum going around on the banking forum, would be great if we could get something similar going for research so we can all get a pulse on where everyone stands. Try to stick with the following format: Title: Rank: Bank Size: Base/Bonus:

+9"Negotiated working capital target for a deal" - what does this mean please?


Hi everyone: I'm just browsing some current <abbr title="private equity">PE</abbr> associates experiences and saw some of them mention that they "negotiated working capital target" for a deal that they worked on. Pardon my ignorance, but could someone...

+9In Search of Wisdom


Hey monkeys, I'm a sophomore at a semi-target. I've recently switched to major in econ and am interested in finance. Specifically, I want to work in Private Equity or Investment Banking. I think that I would be more suited and more interested in the deal side of finance rather than...

+9What to do Pre-MBA to prepare for IB recruiting


I will be attending a top 15 program come August 2019. I am looking to get a Summer Associate role at an Investment Bank. The school I will be attending historically places very well for Investment Banking. Is there any advice on what I should do before my <abbr title="Masters in...

+9Casualisation of Office Dress Codes


It seems ever since 2008, the finance industry has loosened up their dress codes dramatically. No longer are power suits and red ties the norm. Now it seems to be all Midtown Uniforms with gray Patagonia vests. What are your opinions on the loosening of office dress codes?

+9Wearing Cheap Suit Versus Expensive Suit To a Job Interview - Will it affect salary offered?


Lets pretend there are these 2 candidates for a specific job position. Everything about both candidates are the exact same. The same resume, the same age, the same gender, the same school. The only thing different for these 2 candidates is that 1 is wearing a cheap suit (>$200) to the job...