What do you think? What is a sign that you have really succeeded in life? How high have you set the bar for making it? <em> #8 top discussion of 2018 </em>
Did anyone else hear about a summer analyst dying recently at a Chicago MM? Apparently he had worked some crazy amount of all nighters. Unclear as to what the exact cause of death was. I’m not bringing this up for e-cred but to say that this shit is absurd and needs to change, I’m sure...
Takeaway message: Piper Jaffray (PJC) is a massive sweatshop. Probably one of the worst <abbr title="middle market firms">MMs</abbr> for work/life balance from what I’ve seen and heard. Imperial Capital is the only other <abbr title="middle...
I just left <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> and went entrepreneurship way, so this is a bit of a rant post and a throwaway account, but felt like I need to share. With all do respect to hard-working individuals out there - investment banking industry is broken...
I am about 3 weeks removed from receiving three <abbr title="private equity ">PE</abbr> offers (from <abbr title="megafunds ">MFs</abbr> and top <abbr title="middle market ">MM</abbr> firms), both elated and relieved to be done...
Hey guys. I'm a 29 year old white male with a loving wife and 1 year old son. I went to a state school (Cal State Fullerton), graduated with a 3.1 GPA (didn't give a crap about school, just partied) and then got a sales job. Then I busted my ass (I'm not analytical or smart, but...
So I've had this hunch for a while and wanted to get others thoughts. Before you think I'm crazy and sleep deprived just look at the evidence I am about to bestow upon you all. Over the past year I've been growing suspicious that my MD is a vampire... There are several reasons...
Hello everyone, I am sharing this because Andy and Patrick said it may be useful for some younger users. I legitimately believe that <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> helped me get my career started. About me: I grew up in the roughest part of town...
So, everyone is a prestige whore in some way or another. Let's be honest. For every 1 person who can afford to pay cash for an S500 AMG but drives a Prius for the mileage, there are 100 million people who finance a car they can't really afford. The same applies to school - How many...
11 Things Employers Tell Interviewees and What They Really Mean <h4>1. "We Have a Very Flat Hierarchy":</h4> We have a few VPs that take home all of the carry and three dozen Analysts grinding out all of our legwork because it's cheaper. All you little shits are...
A friend of mine has a GPA of 2.1. He basically photoshopped his unofficial transcript with better grades and gave himself a much higher GPA and he eventually received a Summer Internship Offer from a <abbr title="bulge bracket">BB</abbr> and even passed their background...
Howdy folks, this market has me bored to tears [edit: I'm truthfully also just having a harder time getting a read on conditions than at any point in my career, so that is prompting both frustration and introspection], and just for work-unrelated reasons, I have a bit more free time on my...
Patrick surprised me by getting a site feature implemented within 36 hours of its suggestion (context [here](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/is-wso-serving-its-purpose-still?page=0#comment-1644284)). I want to test out the new feature where only Certified Users can respond, so I took a...
Pretty self-explanatory: just looking for traits/habits/characteristics of interns that really piss you off and might preclude them from getting a <abbr title="full time">FT</abbr> offer.
Lol definitely want to hear what some of you have to say about this. I'm sure there are some good stories out there.
It seems that to get into investment banking, you must: - apply early - have been to a target school - in order to get into the target school, excel in high school, have money and you must know which schools are targets for investment banking It seems like that in order to tick off all...
Dear Fellow Monkeys, Just wanted advice on how to solve this issue. I've been tasked many personal/assistant matters like today, getting pulled to a meeting just to bring olive oil possibly for their lunch and I'm aware of what an analyst job might entail a lot of times. I've...
Hey guys, I graduated from non-target college (Baruch College) last year majoring in Finance with Economics minor. I have a GPA just below 3.0. I enjoy finance industry, especially capital markets. It's been a year, yes, a full year since I've been applying for jobs. I used...
Is it just me or is it cringeworthy when someone lists experiences such as "Pizza Hut Delivery Guy" on their LinkedIn profile? Or how about that person that has 6 languages on their profile 4 of them being listed down as "Elementary Proficiency". Or those profiles that have...
Enough coddling: by definition some people are the bottom 15%. For those of you who don't have the self-awareness to recognize you aren't cutting it, here are the signs (real life examples). If you do any of the following, I shouldn't have to explain to you why you are a bottom...
I've found finance to be completely unbearable. The pay and career development is excellent but the level of work, expectations, and lack of control over your life is not worth any amount of pay. Senior employees have no guts or real business skills, or they would have gotten the hell...
<em>Mod Note (Andy): 8/16/18 - Updates continue to roll in, make sure to check <a href="https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/2019-ft-analyst-recruiting-timeline?page=1">page two</a> for the must up to date information.</em> Haven't seen a thread on...
Ouch... prestige attempts done the wrong way AND caught no less! Prosecutors filed charges against 33 parents, accused of paying between $200,000 and $6.5 million to get their children into elite universities. Those indicted include actresses Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman [actress and...
At <abbr title="elite boutique">EB</abbr> Right now. It's already 9pm talked to analyst who told me I'll be working until 2am on average (including today). I've been "reading" the compliance book since 2pm since there's not a lot to do on my...
I remember back when I was still a student, being intimidated by the idea of having to form "models" - despite my undergrad being in physics. It turns out in finance, "modelling" just means dividing one excel cell by another, saying "yeah sure, that growth will...
What’s the worst candidate you’ve seen get hired for an <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> analyst role? For instance, have you ever seen someone with like a 2.5 gpa in kinesiology but had solid connections or something get hired
<img src="https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/files/ib_resume_title_0.png" alt="Investment Banking Resume Template - Official WSO CV Example" /> <p><b>Attached to the bottom of this post, you will find the Wall Street Oasis Investment Banking Resume Template...
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Examples: -"We have great team culture" -> they are neutral with each other -"Facetime is not required" -> but they'll call you out if you don't show up -"We love you / We want you to come in immediately" -> they actually can't f***king...
I’ll start. The client’s 10-year financial projections (based on user count) were on the basis of exponential growth. And by the time he got to year 10, he didn’t have to forecast anymore because by year 8 he had already attracted 1.26 Billion Users for his app, and was raking in $636B...
I compiled this post because I've received several questions aroud this topic in private messages and I thought it may be helpful to discuss my experience with a wider audience. I would like to caveat all of the information in this really long post below by saying that these are all broad...
So I have been around here for about a year and half now, and have to say thank you to the community. Really learned a lot and got my foot in door based on the advice on these forums. ### The Non-Target School Now for my story, I attended a large (20,000+ students) non-target school. We...
TLDR - seen a lot of pessimism out of the major firms, it's starting to make me think it's too pessimistic, making me consider that we’re on the cusp of a multi-year secular bull market, let's discuss OK, I've been struggling with a couple of thoughts over the past few...
What's something you said in an interview that made you want to bitchslap yourself? I'll start. Back when I was a junior looking for <abbr title="summer analyst intern">SA</abbr> positions in <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr>, I...
Hello, I am not proud of what I have done but I think the US academic pushed me to focus too much on academics rather than the actual content. Background: I am an international student and my undergrad was business, I had the chance to be accepted in an intensive computer science grad...
I have a friend who’s doing a summer internship at a bank (not <abbr title="bulge bracket">BB</abbr>, but a smaller place). His boss invited a bunch of the employees on his boat July 4th and all was good… until the boss broke out the Old School joint and started...
Heard from a peer on the street, wondering if anyone could verify? The policy on comp is the one that has me making this post. 1. Seniors are jumping ship like crazy right now 2. It is an absolute sweatshop nowadays for analysts ***3. Any year's bonus must be paid back if you...
I desperately wanted to move to California and I was applying to every job under the Sun. The first call I got sent me through the roof, and it was for a "finance" job but they were very vague about what they actually did. That was the first red flag. My naive self hopped on a...
I'll start. Mine is more or less James Franco, but backwards. Woah, genius. I know. It took me a while to come up with this one.
I have been a long time lurker and recent poster here, I have got so much from this community, I can say I would not have done it without you so I think it is time to give something back. I am sure you heard stories like mine but I hope this can be inspirational to some of you. <h3>My...
Wanted to start a thread compiling a list of finance vocabulary, formal or informal. Words can be as "basic" as *EBITDA* or as "fancy" as *capital extraction*. The more pretentious the better. After all, capital expenditures aka capex essentially means to fix shit up or to...
That time of year again. Banks have finished their fiscal year and should be close to payout time (BMO / <abbr title="Royal Bank of Canada">RBC</abbr> / others?) Thought might be good to start a thread to see where comp is shaking out. I realize <abbr...
There are plenty of posts on here about whether or not <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> or other finance jobs are "worth it." However, I haven't seen many posts on whether or not people on here think that they're worth all of the benefits that...
Bridgewater's Ray Dalio [wrote a post about "Why and How Capitalism Needs to be Reformed,"](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-how-capitalism-needs-reformed-parts-1-2-ray-dalio/?published=t/) claiming that the outcomes of capitalism are no longer consistent with the system’s...
In light of the “Piper Jaffray: Sweatier Than Ever in 2018” thread ([link](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/piper-jaffray-sweatier-than-ever-in-2018)), I was inspired to share the biggest professional regret of my career so far, however early in my career that it may...
Have a long night ahead and could use a distraction every hour or so What is your hardest take... on anything. I'm talking hardest take possible. Fire away
So I go to a top school, so think Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. And coming in, I almost felt a sort of insecurity, because I thought that I would be up against the grinders whom I knew in high school, and against kids who went to the best boarding schools, which everyone knows prepare kids well....
Hi there, am an SO to someone in banking. He's one year out to promotion to VP. He keeps telling me it will get "better". Not sure what it means and I would really like specific details. He still works to 9/10/11 longer most nights. Still working most weekends. I asked him...
So, there’s an MD on my team who I think highly of and does good business. He’s considered a good mentor and good leader/manager. I’m thinking of who I’m going to promote to a senior leadership position from the middle ranks and he was my top choice before tonight. The only...
I’m genuinely curious as it seems like these type of posts have become the norm for the younger generation on LinkedIn, why do people post these? You’re not a 5 star football recruit I couldn’t care less which option you decided to pick and your thank you shade you throw at the companies...
Liquor, hash, Mary Jane, Molly - what's your preferred substance when it comes to taking the edge off or making things just interesting enough? I've gone through a few, including all of the above, a few hallucinogens, some experimental stuff that is said to be produced by the brain...
Hey everyone, The title is pretty self-explanatory, could any of the older guys share their feeling when their first bonus hit their checkings account? Not looking for any numbers, rather the feeling /sense of accomplishment, I'm sure at that time of your career it was something to be...
What technological advancements or updated social norms are you not following? I like to think I'm a pretty forward-thinking guy but I still always prefer to pay with a card/cash, over using Apple Pay on my phone. What are you old-fashioned about?
I already have 3 patagucci vests (1 monogrammed, 2 vanilla) with my 1987 thinkpad coming in the mail, my JUUL is custom engraved with "SHORT VIX", and I have "Incoming Interviewer for Goldman Sachs Risk Management Division in New Jersey" on my LinkedIn Premium profile. What...
Excuse the rant, sometimes you have to air it out, and this place has made me who I am today, and I'm sure many individuals feel the same way I think. <h3>I sacrificed everything to break in</h3> I don't know where I went wrong, two years ago, when I had nothing and...
Working 55-60 hour weeks every week of the year has made me forget what it feels like having a 9-5 job. So those who do, what does it feel like?
Now that we've seen half of the candidates duke it out tonight, the NYT poses the question that has been on every Dem's mind for a while: <h4>Democrats Diverge on Economy and Immigration in First Debate</h4> Should Democrats rally behind Mr. Biden, a moderate who is...
The other day I read an article from Bloomberg saying that this year a record number of candidates enrolled this June. Idk, but in my eyes when something becomes accessible to so many random people it losses its prestige. Over years I predict having the <abbr title="Chartered Financial...
Another [heartbreaking story](https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/summer-analyst-dies-at-lincoln-international) about an intern that passed away after working long hours just hit WSO and I'm thinking why does this keep happening and what can we do to prevent it (or at least make it more...
Theres no statistical evidence for this but, why is real estate second to most other financial services jobs? Most people in business school are primarily looking for <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr>, consulting, <abbr title="asset...
I am still not sure if this will add any value or if anyone will find this useful, but I've seen a couple of "Too old to break into IB?" topics lately and I thought I'd share my journey with you. The advice and stories I've read on this forum have helped me maintain my...
As some of the firms have already started accepting applications for 2019 for <abbr title="Hong Kong">HK</abbr>/SG, I thought it's the time to start this topic for those who are specifically interested in working in <abbr title="Hong...
As I am spending some time on my vacation and feel bored to death (please don’t judge), I wanted to share something that I think might be important to you guys. Although this thread will cause a lot of controversy, I have nevertheless decided to give in to my temptations and write a...
With the holidays approaching, I'm curious how you all deal with the awkward family gatherings. More specifically, does anyone else feel despised by their own family now in regards to their career choice? Personally, I have a VERY blue collar family. My immediate family consists of...
Have always wondered this. Investment banks have been around long before excel - even back to the 80s and 90s - so how would investment banks and private equity firms create <abbr title="initial public offering">IPO</abbr> pricing, valuations, <abbr...
Burner account for venting purposes. I'm tired. I'm tired of working at a bank that never wins <abbr title="mergers and acquisitions">M&A</abbr>. I bet they don't feel this way at Lazard. I'm tired of the umpteen thousandth pitch where...
I've been working for a year at a large investment bank as an analyst in <abbr title="mergers and acquisitions">M&A</abbr>. I was fired today after an argument with my associate that happened a couple of days ago. I'm still in absolute shock right now....
Sitting at my desk here just waiting for things to wind down so thought I’d give back to the community and try my first long form post. I did some interviewing last year but this year I was heavily involved for both <abbr title="summer analyst intern ">SA</abbr> and...
I have a super slow day at work today and found myself thinking about some ridiculous travel stories I've had from the past few years and want to canvas <abbr title="Wall Street Oasis">WSO</abbr> for some of your own. Can be anything from a weird or funny adventure to...
Recently there was a thread on what books one should read to assist in the development of a successful career in finance. I strongly believe in balancing your library with pure "finance books", pleasure reads, and classics, with a strong bias towards the classics. You will learn about...
Longtime lurker. First post. ###About me: I'm originally from the South. Growing up, I hated school. I'm talking about failing multiple classes, dreading going to school, and even getting suspended many times. I was diagnosed with ADD at a young age, but never wanted to take...
Hey all, so the question is relatively straightforward. Specifically for monkeys in their 30s/40s, where are you in your career right now vs. where you thought you would be in your 20s? This can include job function (ex. moving from <abbr title="investment...
After a long day of watching our dickhead CFO haze the new analysts with his miserable sense of humor, I've been reflecting about some of the biggest dickhead moves I've ever seen a superior pull on a subordinate in the office. I think my top three are... 1) During Christmas party a...
I'm a lot more ambitious than people around me and how I just can't relate with them because they have no aspirations, don't plan long term, etc.(I go to a non-target state school) It got me thinking about why I'm so professionally focused and want to get into a top firm and...
Hello Everyone, I am a senior at a non-target school in the northeast and have recently accepted a <abbr title="full time">FT</abbr> offer in <abbr title="investment banking division">IBD</abbr> at <abbr title="Goldman...
Recently got the opportunity to talk with the head of banking at a solid <abbr title="middle market">MM</abbr> firm (think William Blair). He said that he hates hiring 3.9+ GPA candidates and actually sees it as a red flag. His reasoning was that they lack social...
Heard Wilbur Ross's comments early about government employees going to homeless shelters/food banks as they are on the eve of missing a second paycheck. Just wanted to hear the finance/"Oasis" thoughts on this matter. For me, on one hand, obviously this isn't right,...
What is the most prestigious job opportunity you've ever seen someone get or take directly after college?
Hi Everyone, I’ve lurked on this site for a long time and it’s been extremely helpful at different points in my career. I’m interested in giving back via an AMA thread as I’ve seen others do over the years. <h4>Quick background</h4> <li>Graduated from one of the...
Starting my rant.... <rant> I just got asked about career planning for the move from <abbr title="investment banking division">IBD</abbr> to <abbr title="private equity">PE</abbr>, yet again. I've a lot of sympathy for my fellow...
What is the one part of finance fashion that you would like to see gone? Gaudy loafers? Thick pinstripe suits that should be relegated to the 80s?
Wanted to better organize the 2020 recruiting here instead of my previous post. @AndyLouis" Current 2020 <abbr title="summer analyst intern">SA</abbr> Info: [quote="champagnepaki"] Not really. Sure the WSJ article from this past Fall brought awareness...
Associate in my mid-late twenties, my director is amazing - I just really like her. Maybe I'm telling you all because I can't tell anyone else.
Hi everyone, I signed my summer offer with this bank earlier this year and recently I realized that a friend that I was going to find housing with, backed out. And since it was an unpaid internship to begin with, I would have had to pay around 1200-1300/month for housing if I went solo. I...
For me It’s a toss up between @Isaiah_53_5" and @m_1" but I’m open to other suggestions. Anyone have any opinions on the subject? Who is the biggest douche on the site? I think we could make this annual thing similar to user of the year or whatever
I don't think there's already a forum on Goldman's 2019 <abbr title="investment banking division">IBD</abbr> Summer Analyst recruiting process, so figured I'd start one. Please share insights/questions below! Is anyone else recruiting through the...
Just saw on linkedin the following post from an <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> recruiter: "[...]a candidate we had offered a full time grad role to returned his signed offer letter. Issue was that it was his signed offer letter for one of our...
Pump and Dump
Is this the new age of pussyfying men? I thought most of the commercial was laughable. They even included a TYT clip in it...lol.
[quote]<p>I need this done for tomorrow morning, but don’t spend too much time on it. <strong>I don’t want you to be here all night.</strong></p> [/quote] That's what my MD said to me before I pulled my first all-nighter. I've had other...
The signs were all there. I wasn't a great student in college, but it wasn't the content of the work that killed me. It was the little things like attendance, being on time to things, paying attention to the instructor, setting aside time to study, and following the instructions...
First some background, I am a senior and am heading to a quant shop for full time this summer. This past recruiting cycle I received offers from Two Sigma, Citadel, Old Mission, Hudson River Trading, DE Shaw, Jump, and Five Rings Capital for positions ranging from pure dev to pure quant. I study...
I have been on this website for more than ten years and thought I would dish out a bit of advice. ####A bit of background: I worked up to director level in trading, before going to get an <abbr title="Masters in Business Administration">MBA</abbr> and changing industry...
Today I saw an analyst try to talk to an MD about working capital adjustments, and the MD went "Don't teach your father how to fuck, kid", which is something he usually says when we're showing him stuff he already knows. It always has us cracking up. That got me thinking...
<strong>Mario</strong> - Rational asset allocator, owns a good mix of low-cost index funds and ETFS <strong>Luigi</strong> - Incapable of second level thinking, investment theses are that he "believes in it", writes disingenuous Seeking Alpha articles, has...
Including weather and job opportunities what do you guys think the best city to live in for banking is?
Since most women in clubs are just looking for one night stand/brief flings and <abbr title="investment banking">IB</abbr> girls have superiority/feminist complex. So where do you find those other wife type girls?
I knew this guy who was obsessed with Taylor Swift. He had 2 premium memberships to her fan club, always gets front row tickets, and I'm pretty sure he has the most Taylor stuff I have ever seen. Got any co-workers who are obsessed with something that's just weird or is their...
<img src="/files/styles/w800/public/inline/images/lotr.jpg?itok=P86qtEcR" alt="" /> Some unique insight into the buyside vs. sellside and the hunt for eternal glory. I've had an interesting few years that has led to experience on both sides of the table. Given...
Graduated in December, moved back to my parents' because I'm a worthless human being. Have applied to ~500 jobs, have had 10 phone interviews, 1 in-person interview. Have contacted ~80 alumni, barely any responses. Day after day, its the same fucking thing. Sending my...
What bad habits (besides lack of sleep) have you all developed since you started at a bank? For example, I started biting my nails after a month on the job but had never bit them before and a friend began to mumble random finance terms in her sleep.
Do any of you cry if your MD/PM yelled at you for screwing up, or coming late, etc.? Or simply feeling irritated by your MD/co workers who speak in a stern voice? How do you stop taking all of this personally, and realize that all that matters at the end of the day is money?